The Fourth Horseman, Part 1 (910)

[Dimeron]

does anyone else think the ancients are somewhat afraid of the Ori? The whole thing frankly doesn't make much sense to me. The Ori and Ancients were one race. Schism develops, ori tries to kill everyone who doesn't believe, ancients split. The split had to occur pre-ascenscion, since the Ori later sent a plague to milky way to try and kill all ancients in physical form.

Both the ancients and Ori know that having mortal beings "worship" you grants you even more power (?this makes no sense so far, arent ascended beings almost omnipotent?). For some bizarre reason the ancients seed life on their galaxy, hide its presence from the Ori, but pretty much distance themselves from this life. Why? Ok, they are benovelent and want to see their "children" mature and learn on their own.

Now the Ori basically enslave their own galaxy, feeding on the power of belief to ?do what? throw crazy energy parties? the most logical thing would be find the ancients and kill em all. but they dont. Not enough worshippers? If they are ascended they are equal to ancients in power. However having worshippers must give them sort of edge.

The motivations and actions of both the Ori and Ancients basically make no sense. What does having a ton of worshippers provide? Why don't the ancients want it? Why don't the Ori do something with that extra power? Or do they need even more believers to initiate their actions? And how is having a bunch of people "believe" in you help in any way? Are quantum belief waves eminating from my body or something? If I fake a Ori prayer does that help or hurt?

The way I see it, the Ori has the worshippers, and the worshippers give them power. Since they don't want to share the power, they make sure no one ascend.

The Alterrans don't want worshippers, but there are those out there whose basically going around ascending people. So in the end, the Ori methodology gets them more power, but few in number, while the Alterren has number on their side, even though they do not have the extra power from the worshippers. So it evens out in the end.

The two factions are probably in a cold war. If they fought directly who knows what might happen. Maybe both galaxies would blow up or something. So they fight through their proxy. Ori wit the prior, and Alterran send their rogues to help.

[timdalton007]

Best episode of this season since "Avalon" and "Origin". Really liked the story and acting and liked the cameo by Don S. Davis. My only complaint is the 12 year old Orlin. It doesn't seem to work to me. if they couldn't get the acotr who played Orlin originaly, why not send another Ancient?

timdalton007

[Daniel's_twin]

Because, frankly, it wouldn't have been nearly as interesting.

[The Shadow]

Geez, I feel sorry for poor little Cameron Bright, people are just getting at him. The only reason I bothered to even watch the Fourth Horsemen was because Cameron was playing Orlin. So maybe he didn't do all that well, heck like every young actor is, he's still learning his craft, for god's sakes he's only 12 years old, let him breath for once. Besides I thought he did fairly well and anyways he isn't playing adult Orlin, he's playing YOUNG Orlin, and kids are like that when they're around older adults, especially if they have a crush on someone AND especially if they are geniuses. And he was also playing a very much liked character with a Star-Studed and amazing cast so you can't blame him for being a little nervous and stiff.

Did anyone notice that Landry was talking on the phone saying, “Have him contact me as soon as he lands.” Could that be a foreshadowing that someone is coming back to help? An old friend perhaps?

There are 3 possibilities as to who this person is:
1. It could be Woosley but he seems to be the most unlikely one because he already appeared in ‘Prototype’ and the actor had no mention that he was doing another guest star.

2. There is always that wee-bit chance that Jack is coming back to help, after all he worked with SG-1 for 8 years, you can’t say that he’s just going to sit on his butt while SG-1 is off in some great danger, and not to mention that Jack has the habit of attracting trouble and besides he’s not going to ignore this big huge plague and not help, that’s just impossible. SG-1 is like a family to him so there’s always a chance that he just couldn’t help it and come to SG-1’s aid (Personally I hope so!!) And I think the team will feel more comfortable and ready with Jack by their side, and I’m not saying that Mitchell is bad, heck I love the guy, but this is a new beginning for the team and Mitchell is just catching on to the game and it will take a while before the team can feel totally right with him. But with Jack right out there on the field with them, there’s not a single Prior that can dent their determination or trust, and no matter what happens they know that Jack will not, not ever let them down, there’s that “I trust you with my life no matter what” thing going on with the old SG-1 team and they’re so comfortable with each other that they’ll not worry that they won’t be able to find a cure, they just know that everything will be all right, I mean they went through hell and back (Literally!!!) and that kind of experience will bind people together forever with unwavering trust!!!

3. My last one and possibly that most likely one is Hammond, since he’s already in the 1st part, there is a more likely chance that he will be in the second part. But there are some big chances that it won’t be Hammond because Landry said “As soon as he lands” and that scene when he’s speaking to the soldiers looked like that he’s already in Colorado so he wouldn’t need to fly on a plane, unless when they rushed him into the car, they took him somewhere else far away. Also there’s a less likely chance that Hammond could actually do anything to help on the field or just supplying knowledge unless they want him to help to give orders. With Jack, he can do both field and knowledge, seeing as how the Asgards love and worships him and that he’s the first human to be able to use the Ancient Knowledge and the chair in the outpost.

[greytop]

Did anyone notice that Landry was talking on the phone saying, “Have him contact me as soon as he lands.” Could that be a foreshadowing that someone is coming back to help? An old friend perhaps?

There are 3 possibilities as to who this person is:
1. It could be Woosley but he seems to be the most unlikely one because he already appeared in ‘Prototype’ and the actor had no mention that he was doing another guest star.

2. There is always that wee-bit chance that Jack is coming back to help, after all he worked with SG-1 for 8 years, you can’t say that he’s just going to sit on his butt while SG-1 is off in some great danger, and not to mention that Jack has the habit of attracting trouble and besides he’s not going to ignore this big huge plague and not help, that’s just impossible. SG-1 is like a family to him so there’s always a chance that he just couldn’t help it and come to SG-1’s aid (Personally I hope so!!) And I think the team will feel more comfortable and ready with Jack by their side, and I’m not saying that Mitchell is bad, heck I love the guy, but this is a new beginning for the team and Mitchell is just catching on to the game and it will take a while before the team can feel totally right with him. But with Jack right out there on the field with them, there’s not a single Prior that can dent their determination or trust, and no matter what happens they know that Jack will not, not ever let them down, there’s that “I trust you with my life no matter what” thing going on with the old SG-1 team and they’re so comfortable with each other that they’ll not worry that they won’t be able to find a cure, they just know that everything will be all right, I mean they went through hell and back (Literally!!!) and that kind of experience will bind people together forever with unwavering trust!!!

3. My last one and possibly that most likely one is Hammond, since he’s already in the 1st part, there is a more likely chance that he will be in the second part. But there are some big chances that it won’t be Hammond because Landry said “As soon as he lands” and that scene when he’s speaking to the soldiers looked like that he’s already in Colorado so he wouldn’t need to fly on a plane, unless when they rushed him into the car, they took him somewhere else far away. Also there’s a less likely chance that Hammond could actually do anything to help on the field or just supplying knowledge unless they want him to help to give orders. With Jack, he can do both field and knowledge, seeing as how the Asgards love and worships him and that he’s the first human to be able to use the Ancient Knowledge and the chair in the outpost.

There is a fourth possiblity. It could be the President of the US.

[The Shadow]

There is a fourth possiblity. It could be the President of the US.

I doubt that it is the President, from the tone of Landry's voice, it sounds like an old friend, someone he knows very well. And if it was the President, wouldn't they just say it? I don't think any will be surprised or care if the President show up, either way, with him or not, it wouldn't make any difference against the Ori. And I personally don't think that the writers will waste valuable storytime for the President to interfere.

Unlike with Jack, the Ori will have a much more formidable opponent to deal with (Not to mention he's sarcasim. Or is it "Impudence" these days?)

[cafine_us]

I don't think it will be Jack, though. Or at least RDA won't personally make an appearance. If he were making a return visit we'd have heard the buzz from spoilers. TPTB would certainly want to hype that episode.

[The Shadow]

I don't think it will be Jack, though. Or at least RDA won't personally make an appearance. If he were making a return visit we'd have heard the buzz from spoilers. TPTB would certainly want to hype that episode.

Maybe they just want this to be a big, huge surprise that will catch eveyone off guard so they kept it real quiet.

If not Jack or Hammond, I personally don't know who the heck will show up

[shockwave]

Geez, I feel sorry for poor little Cameron Bright, people are just getting at him. The only reason I bothered to even watch the Fourth Horsemen was because Cameron was playing Orlin. So maybe he didn't do all that well, heck like every young actor is, he's still learning his craft, for god's sakes he's only 12 years old, let him breath for once. Besides I thought he did fairly well and anyways he isn't playing adult Orlin, he's playing YOUNG Orlin, and kids are like that when they're around older adults, especially if they have a crush on someone AND especially if they are geniuses. And he was also playing a very much liked character with a Star-Studed and amazing cast so you can't blame him for being a little nervous and stiff.

Did anyone notice that Landry was talking on the phone saying, “Have him contact me as soon as he lands.” Could that be a foreshadowing that someone is coming back to help? An old friend perhaps?

There are 3 possibilities as to who this person is:
1. It could be Woosley but he seems to be the most unlikely one because he already appeared in ‘Prototype’ and the actor had no mention that he was doing another guest star.

2. There is always that wee-bit chance that Jack is coming back to help, after all he worked with SG-1 for 8 years, you can’t say that he’s just going to sit on his butt while SG-1 is off in some great danger, and not to mention that Jack has the habit of attracting trouble and besides he’s not going to ignore this big huge plague and not help, that’s just impossible. SG-1 is like a family to him so there’s always a chance that he just couldn’t help it and come to SG-1’s aid (Personally I hope so!!) And I think the team will feel more comfortable and ready with Jack by their side, and I’m not saying that Mitchell is bad, heck I love the guy, but this is a new beginning for the team and Mitchell is just catching on to the game and it will take a while before the team can feel totally right with him. But with Jack right out there on the field with them, there’s not a single Prior that can dent their determination or trust, and no matter what happens they know that Jack will not, not ever let them down, there’s that “I trust you with my life no matter what” thing going on with the old SG-1 team and they’re so comfortable with each other that they’ll not worry that they won’t be able to find a cure, they just know that everything will be all right, I mean they went through hell and back (Literally!!!) and that kind of experience will bind people together forever with unwavering trust!!!

3. My last one and possibly that most likely one is Hammond, since he’s already in the 1st part, there is a more likely chance that he will be in the second part. But there are some big chances that it won’t be Hammond because Landry said “As soon as he lands” and that scene when he’s speaking to the soldiers looked like that he’s already in Colorado so he wouldn’t need to fly on a plane, unless when they rushed him into the car, they took him somewhere else far away. Also there’s a less likely chance that Hammond could actually do anything to help on the field or just supplying knowledge unless they want him to help to give orders. With Jack, he can do both field and knowledge, seeing as how the Asgards love and worships him and that he’s the first human to be able to use the Ancient Knowledge and the chair in the outpost.

it's hammond, DSD mentionned something in an interview about him having a scene with landry where he complains about jack being a screwup (or something) in Washington, and another with SG1 where he has to return to washington to babysit jack (and sg1 to the sgc to babysit landry)

the further destruction of what was once Jack O'Neill

[The Shadow]

it's hammond, DSD mentionned something in an interview about him having a scene with landry where he complains about jack being a screwup (or something) in Washington, and another with SG1 where he has to return to washington to babysit jack (and sg1 to the sgc to babysit landry)

the further destruction of what was once Jack O'Neill

I'm not surprised that Jack is being a troublemaker, but I'd had thought being a Major General in the Air Force and 8 years of experience with the SGC would have told him to behave himself. Then again, it sounds excatly like Jack to screw things up with the politicians, knowing how much Jack loathed them, they've had better luck that Jack hasn't killed them yet (Or something else even worse)

[LtColCarter]

another great epidsode tonight, i can't wait for part 2

Well, said! Well said!

[Congerking]

If the Ori get their power from their worshippers, then my question is this. This has been bugging me ever since we learned that. the alterans created all life in our galaxy. the ori said that they they created all the life in their galaxy. then why don't the ori create like 100 trillion people to worship them and suck their "soul"? They have a whole galaxy, just maximize the amount of humans that the galaxy can sustain and drain them. Expand to other galaxies and do the same thing. If draning humans gives them so much power, then why haven't they "sucked" as much power as possible.

One answer to this might be that they are already doing this, but if they are; why do they care about our galaxy then?

[Daniel's_twin]

If the Ori get their power from their worshippers, then my question is this. This has been bugging me ever since we learned that. the alterans created all life in our galaxy. the ori said that they they created all the life in their galaxy. then why don't the ori create like 100 trillion people to worship them and suck their "soul"? They have a whole galaxy, just maximize the amount of humans that the galaxy can sustain and drain them. Expand to other galaxies and do the same thing. If draning humans gives them so much power, then why haven't they "sucked" as much power as possible.

One answer to this might be that they are already doing this, but if they are; why do they care about our galaxy then?

I heard a saying once. What could the most powerful beings in the galaxy possibly want? More power. I'm paraphrasing, but you get the idea. Those who are greedy will never be satisfied with what they've got, especially if they're supposed to be at war with the Ancients.

These, and other cliche's will be available to you tomorrow at 1300 hours!

[BigGator5]

Whatever the story is behind the "Ancients vs Ori", we are not getting the full story from Orlin.

In fact, I have a theory (let me know if anyone else has come up with this as well):

Ancients helped the Ori Ascend.

[timdalton007]

Intresting theroy BigGator5. The Ancients helped the Ori ascened originaly. But soon the Ori began meddling in the affairs of lower beings. There might have been a battle between them and the ancients left and traveled to our galaxy.

timdalton007

[BigGator5]

I think the whole conflict between the Ori and Alterans was superficial when the Alterans left their home galaxy. When the Alterans ascended, they wanted to include their bothers and sisters of the Ori. When the Ori started acting like gods, the Alterans were horrified and vow never to interfere again (with some going back on their word).

Also, there is something fishy about the story about the plague killing the Alterans. In Hot Zone, the Alteran (known as the Ancients then) gene help keep most people healty. Before that, Ayiana in Frozen (an unascended Alteran) was a carrier for an illness. In The Powers That Be, Dr Lam said that the Ori plague acts just like the illness in "Frozen".

I do not have enough information to form a theory on how this all fits, but I have gut feeling that it does and the only person who knows is Orlin. When it is all said and done, I think that the Alteran's hands are just as unclean as the Ori.

[the fifth man]

When it is all said and done, I think that the Alteran's hands are just as unclean as the Ori.[/color][/font]

Interesting theory. It would be an nice twist for tptb to take.

[BigGator5]

Well, the story of the Ancients/Alteran has always been that of being incomplete. Just as we think we know everything there is to know, we find we know nothing.

Orlin has only said that the Ori lie to their followers. He has yet to go into detail about the Alteran/Ori history and I think he's advoiding it at this time.

[The Signal]

Wow, now that was a great eposde! But why do we have to wait until the 10th to see the next episode?????????? Interesting to see Garek, who I thoght to be quite a strong character, turn to origin so easily. The only downside was having Hammond in the episode but hardly using him (that and Dr. Lee's music )

Rating 8/9 Chevrons

[beale947]

WHat a great episode. And what a cliffhanger. Can't wait till next week, coz im in the Uk