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    Arrow2 Lagrangian Point Defense Satellites?

    Obviously there were many of these as its said in "The Seige" (ZELENKA: The last of what we assume were dozens of defence satellites destroyed during the Ancients' last stand with the Wraith), so what happened to them? They most likely played a part in protecting planets, if not City Ships themselves. Even if the Wraith destroyed many of them, surely we should have run into another one by now? I think it was a very interesting piece of technology that should be explored again; since we didn't learn much about them.

    Basically, what are your thoughts on them? Do you like them? Are they good pieces of Lantean technology to salvage?

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    Default Re: Lagrangian Point Defense Satellites?

    They were destroyed. The one left was far from Atlantis (on the other side of the sun in fact) and known as damaged. The Wraith didn't bother.

    The real problem with their design is that they're very big for what they do.
    As more complete defense platforms, it would have been wised to have them equipped with all the good stuff back then, that is, first, shields, so you don't get annoyed by mere lucky shots or darts.
    Then a very few drones. Then a couple of energy cannons, not too many.

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    Default Re: Lagrangian Point Defense Satellites?

    its likely it had a shield otherwise it would of been so easy for the wraith to knockout

    it was just damaged and the power needed to be rerouted to the weapon
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    They needed shields, drone platform for additional protection, ZPM to power it so it may not take as long to load up the beam buffer. Would take eons to build one.

    I am not sure if the Ancients bothered with any of those for unmanned stuff.


    Now for Earth: Far better for Earth to have more Antartic drone platforms powered by ZPMs. Hell, just one took out 40 Ha'taks and Annubis super Ha'tak with ease. Drones can track uberly.


    A fleet of ships could get past the satellites by opening up a hyper space window at the proper location...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSPuddlejumper View Post
    They needed shields, drone platform for additional protection, ZPM to power it so it may not take as long to load up the beam buffer. Would take eons to build one.

    I am not sure if the Ancients bothered with any of those for unmanned stuff.


    Now for Earth: Far better for Earth to have more Antartic drone platforms powered by ZPMs. Hell, just one took out 40 Ha'taks and Annubis super Ha'tak with ease. Drones can track uberly.


    A fleet of ships could get past the satellites by opening up a hyper space window at the proper location...

    Does anyone else detect fanwank?

    the whole bloody point of those satelites was to use lasers instead of drones as they are a a finite resource. second: why do you expect the ancients to put a ZPM n every weapon and kitchen apliance they had? making a mini-universe is kinda hard you know(heavy sarcasm here).

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    I don't see why we just don't strap it to the dedy or Oddy given that it destroyed a HIVE with very little power and also
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    I know its to big but i'm sure that they can take out a lot of the unused space a materials and intergrate it into a ship.

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    ^LOL.

    To build Ha'tak size satellites=massive resource hog.

    Resource wise, their decision to build satellites was not cost effective.

    Ancients hardly had brilliant military strategy. Hell, they were using drones against the Asurans, as if that is going to wipe out every trace of Replicators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Tom View Post
    Does anyone else detect fanwank?

    the whole bloody point of those satelites was to use lasers instead of drones as they are a a finite resource. second: why do you expect the ancients to put a ZPM n every weapon and kitchen apliance they had? making a mini-universe is kinda hard you know(heavy sarcasm here).
    The better question is if the Ancients were so smart how come the puddle jumpers, didn't have hyperdrives powered by ZPM, shields(powered by said ZPM)and massive beam cannons on them, cause you know drones run out. The ancients then could have taken on the entire wraith armada with just a handful of puddle jumpers. Mckay built a hyperdrive for a puddle jumper why didn't the ancients? huh huh?

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    Puddle Jumpers were never designed to be machines of war, they are carriers, possibly with drones and cloaks strapped on when the war started.

    Why attach a hyperdrive, when it takes time, when you designed the ship to travel through the stargate network which goes to every planet of importance?

    The Ancients were never prepared for war, as they did not expect one, they wished to live in peace, so spending time on manufacturing items of war would have been a waste of time, as there had been no life in the galaxy prior to their arrival.

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    I thought they mention that the satellite was powered by a ZPM originally but that Naq reactor would do. That was one reason why the weapon was slow to charge. Also it didn't fire on the second hive because as stated it was damaged and malfunctioned on the second attempt. Giving the Hive the chance it needed to destroy it. Chances are the satellite did posses shields, its just that we didn't have the power to raise them or they were off line.

    On a side note, I think the Ancients powered a lot of their space based technology with ZPM's while using natural power sources such as Geo-thermal to power land based stations. ZPM's may be needed for some land based systems if the power output needed is greater than what the geo-plant can produce like Drones platforms.

    Forgot to ask this question. What was stopping the Wraith or anybody from Hyper jumping past the satellites and closer to the planet. Bypassing them completely. Was the Range on the satellites such that they could reach targets millions of km away?
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    Transcript time:
    McKAY: Yes, of course if we're right about what's wrong with it! But if we're right, and it's just out of power, the Wraith have simply been ignoring it.

    ZELENKA: Our preliminary estimates indicate a single naqahdah generator would be enough to bring it back online.

    FORD: Why can't we use our generators to get the weapons systems of Atlantis working?

    ZELENKA: Because those systems were designed to be powered by the Zero Point Module -- and the satellite isn't.
    Seems to me that the Ancients were using alternative power sources for the satellite, possibly because ZPMs were becoming precious in the war but thats speculation.

    And despite their loss, the satellites did do their role quite well since they were capable of taking out three Hiveships. This combined with say some Aurora might have been a good defense at the time.


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    Default Re: Lagrangian Point Defense Satellites?

    Quote Originally Posted by peragrin View Post
    The better question is if the Ancients were so smart how come the puddle jumpers, didn't have hyperdrives powered by ZPM, shields(powered by said ZPM)and massive beam cannons on them, cause you know drones run out. The ancients then could have taken on the entire wraith armada with just a handful of puddle jumpers. Mckay built a hyperdrive for a puddle jumper why didn't the ancients? huh huh?

    <note: some sarcasm may be present in the above statement>

    Do people not understand the difference between peaceful explorers, poets, and scientists who lived for millions of years with no real enemies, And a battle hardened race ready for galactic conquest?
    First, yes I think the Ancients built EVERYTHING to use a ZPM. Second, why not just call in the Asgard? They seem to be a lot smarter than the Ancients when it comes to battle.

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    Default Re: Lagrangian Point Defense Satellites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient122 View Post
    First, yes I think the Ancients built EVERYTHING to use a ZPM. Second, why not just call in the Asgard? They seem to be a lot smarter than the Ancients when it comes to battle.
    because there dead lol the asgard would be to busy to help anyway lol if they were still alive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient122 View Post
    First, yes I think the Ancients built EVERYTHING to use a ZPM. Second, why not just call in the Asgard? They seem to be a lot smarter than the Ancients when it comes to battle.
    the asgard were probly a lot weaker then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Tom View Post
    the whole bloody point of those satelites was to use lasers
    Actually, I think the satellite used a particle beam weapon especifically designed to chew up the organic hives' hulls and armory. Considering that hives could survive nuclear blasts in the low megaton range, it is unlikey that a laser would be able to cut through them while being powered by a mere naquadah generator. It would require the energy of several power plants to feed a laser capable of doing that.

    instead of drones as they are a a finite resource.
    I think that the beam is more effective, really. Drones were created by the Ancients to fight other super-advanced races with great shields. As shield-piercers, drones are second to none, but they are not more effective than regular enrgy weapons to annihilate non-sielded targets, like hives.

    second: why do you expect the ancients to put a ZPM n every weapon and kitchen apliance they had? making a mini-universe is kinda hard you know(heavy sarcasm here).
    Yeah, but according to SSPuddlejumper we'll be making those 100 years from now. Never mind that the Goa'uld, who were a tad more than 100 years ahead of us couldn't make them. The Asgard, who are a tad more advanced than the Goa'uld, couldn't make them either, even though it is the most effective power source known.

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    Um... maybe the cannon was that large because it was one giant step-up-transformer/capacitor for whatever power source it used?

    Maybe the sattelite was the size of a Hat'tak to rapidly increase the potency of the energy and charge the particle cannon?

    Makes a lot of sense for a weapon that can slice a 11km long warship in two with only one second of contact time powered by nothing more than a one meter long crude Earth-made reactor.

    And it likely had a shield. The shield was damaged.

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    10,000 years ago, I doubt the Great Races treaty existed. So they couldn't call for Asgard help.

    As for the SGA team, they couldn't call for Asgard help in season 1. No line of communications.

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    No, actually the Asgard were around back then. I watched Revelations yesterday, and the Asgard genetic scientist stated that it's ancestor that had been capable of sexual reproduction (which was in a stasis tube) left the Asgard Homeworld around 20,000 years ago. Besides I don't think the Asgard were fighting the replicators 10,000 years ago, so yes they could help.

    I don't think the Lagrange satellites ever had shields since the Naquada generator was able to bring all systems but the beam weapon online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSPuddlejumper View Post
    10,000 years ago, I doubt the Great Races treaty existed. So they couldn't call for Asgard help.

    As for the SGA team, they couldn't call for Asgard help in season 1. No line of communications.
    The treaty existed before they left, I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wise one View Post
    its likely it had a shield otherwise it would of been so easy for the wraith to knockout

    it was just damaged and the power needed to be rerouted to the weapon
    Oh but I think that's the problem.

    A satellite is a very slow moving station, big for some reason (it has plenty of arms which do nothing), and doesn't seem to be able to do anything else but shoot a beam.

    What a hassle. They should have installed more ground guns on the planet instead, and shielded them adequately. You don't need energy to have a gun rest on the ground after all, and Atlantis could stretch its shield.

    We may never fully know, but thus far, they're very absurd in their design, and outrageously big for what they achieve, especially if built late in the war, while the drones are pathetically small in comparison.

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