Condemned (205)

[AdrianneP]

This episode should definitely have a continuation next season... They just let loose a bunch of convicts into the galaxy (unless they just left them on that other world which would be smart, but what kind of story would that make?). It seems like the kind of thing that they should pay for later... It's a good assumption that there were some survivors on that planet after the Wraith were finished, and if I were them, I'd be just a bit irked at the Atlantis team for screwing us over by freeing a bunch of dangerous criminals... They can call it “Repentence” or something. Granted, there's no DHD there except for the one from the crashed Puddle Jumper (never confirmed either salvaged or blown up) that they could potentially get working again (all it needs is some power, right?).

:: Blank stare ::
None of that ever occured to me. Perhaps I'm too in love with Weir wardrobe to care about story lines and the continuity of them, of if they make sense or not. I'm trying to recall if SG-1 has ever let supposed criminals loss on another planet but I haven't seen enough of the series to answer that myself. And, honestly, that's really what the prisoners were, supposed criminals put on the island to feed the Wraith. It's never answered as to who's an accountant with bad math skills and who's a murderer. Crime dropped in the city so they had to raise the bar so a lot of white collar criminals are being killed for, probably, small infractions. I think that's what we're suppose to see ... People that had to turn into criminals to stay alive, not criminals from the start taking over another planet.

I never intended to write that much ... and now I realize I probably should have read this thread because I'm sure someone else has already brought this up. Sorry!

Adrianne

[CalmStorm]

This episode should definitely have a continuation next season... They just let loose a bunch of convicts into the galaxy (unless they just left them on that other world which would be smart, but what kind of story would that make?). It seems like the kind of thing that they should pay for later... It's a good assumption that there were some survivors on that planet after the Wraith were finished, and if I were them, I'd be just a bit irked at the Atlantis team for screwing us over by freeing a bunch of dangerous criminals... They can call it “Repentence” or something. Granted, there's no DHD there except for the one from the crashed Puddle Jumper (never confirmed either salvaged or blown up) that they could potentially get working again (all it needs is some power, right?).

It would be interesting to see if there are any kind of ramifications.

I don't think it can necessarily be assumed that there were survivors however. The wraith seem to have a new feeding ground on the mind, and as was pointed out in 'Letter from Pegasus' by Teyla, the cullings are worse than she has ever seen and there is not enough "food" to feed the entire wraith population that has awoken early.

If there were survivors, there could also be the possibility that they have no clue what happen....that is, that the Atlantis team set the prisioners free and that is why the wraith attacked. Judging from the last conversation the magistrate had with the wraith, it seems somewhat likely that the wraith would have attacked the city eventually anyway.

As for the prisioners, or supposed prisioners, the Atlantis team freed them from a doomed fate and a culling in progress. Hopefully that would carry some goodwill with it, but one never knows. However, there could have been some serious criminals that could pose a theat to the Pegasus Galaxy and who knows, they might think along the same lines as the Genii

[Atlantis1]

Nah. The more hard-headed among us will simply call him the Wraith formerly known as Shawn.

Of course the writer could surprise us and use this chosen and leave us speechless.

[skritsys]

I really enjoyed the makeup on the Wraith in this episode. That whole toothy grin and the lips being able to reveal that whole menacing smile was just awesome! Some of the best makeup and wardrobe for the Wraith I have seen.

[Yeade]

I've heard it mentioned that this episode is actually supposed to take place after "Trinity." Is this true? And, regardless of whether it is or isn't, anyone know where the rumor started?

[killer_tinkerbell]

I don't see how it could of possibly taken place after Trinity considering how Sheppard was acting toward McKAy.

[Yeade]

Yeah, Sheppard's behavior is a bit hard to reconcile. Though I tend to think he still trusts McKay to get the team out of those everyday tough spots--just not to keep a clear head when it comes to pursuing something he badly wants. "Condemned" taking place after "Trinity" might, however, explain why McKay remained so hesitant to propose the long-shot fix of the jumper though. Sheppard, IIRC, had to pull it out of him.

At any rate, it's something I read somewhere I can't even remember now. The two episodes, I think, work either way. I just wanted to know if there was any official word.

[bcfc]

Just watched this episode in the U.K and think it was one of the less interesting episodes of the second series so far.

It just didnt feel as gripping as previous episodes plus there was a good opening sequence with the advanced ship but from then on the story fell short in my opinion.

What does everyone else think?

[The Signal]

Just seen this, and gotta say a great episode, some great comedy elements including Shep claiming to be "Naturally lazy" and trying to break that stick, a tad predictable but funny none the less. The scene wiht the rocket launcher had me in stitches. I am finding Atlantis much more entertaining than SG1 at the moment, and this episode shone compared to the disapointing "Beachead" aired last night.
Also, seeing a side of the Wraith that can act very civilised actually makes them seem more sinister than before IMO
The only things that were not great here were, the distance between the main character that had no real explanation, and there was no real edge to this episode.

As a rating 7/9 chevrons

[Linzi]

I liked the episode, but didn't find it really gripping like it should have been. I loved the Sheppard bits,he had some great lines as already mentioned. The stick bit was great too, he never disappoints. Liked McKay here too. It just lacked a sense of real danger, don't know why. I loved the creepy Wraith though, errrh!
Not a bad episode, just not quite as good as I felt it could have been. Will have to watch it again though as I was interrupted in the middle! So am perhaps not giving it a fair chance.Not my favourite episode so far this season.

[Matt G]

OK...

1. A McGyvver reference in Atlantis?

2. Weir on top form here.

3. Dodgy ending.

Overall, solid enough ep and a good way to intro the new team as a team.

[Gate Master]

Just seen this ep thought was great however dubious the jupper being shot down was.(You would think a space ship flying around with out shields would at least be toughed for the occasional space debris).

Weir got to see some action which was good, and the wraith portrayed from an entirely new angle with added depth. Think that particular wraith should be given some recurring roles as he would make quite a good recurring bad guy, although I expect that we shall see more sides of the wraith before long.

I also liked Ronnan's character in it and the whole new team bonding thing. I hesitate to call Ronan a Teal'c equivelent but he is the large alien scary guy with kickass moves who happens to hate the enemy of the moment more than the team. I do like his charactor tho with alot of depth and potential for future sory lines.

If they do any stories regarding the escaped prisoners I hope they include the lead one (not sure of name) who had Mckay pegged from the beginning. Thought he was good and there is certainly potential for depth with in his charactor.

[Elinor]

Just seen this episode, so here's my two pence worth!

It was great to see Elizabeth go off-world with all her boys! Nice! A girlie moment here, but she's really looking lovely this season. Love the hair and make-up! Teyla hasn't had a lot to do yet, she's had, what, ten lines to say since episode 1? The writers could do with sharing some stuff around a bit methinks.

Funniest moments were the bad guy shooting the weapon backwards, (Phew! Thank goodness our heroes weren't in that hut!) and Shep trying to break the stick over his knee!...Oh and the bit about the sandwiches!

I agree that there was a lack of tension and the episode didn't have an ending...it just stopped!!

[Stricken]

This was a great Altantis episode, so far I have really enjoyed Atlantis this year, the dynamic seems right and the way they are going is also great and this episode was no exception. Mckay was on top form with the McGyvver reference, Ronans aggression didnt seem right for me but Thank God he got his gun back. Nice to see Weir offworld again this time not to ask for weapons but to find out what happened to the team. Overall a Great Atlantis Episode.

Condemned recieves a S.G.C rating of 8 out of 9 Chevrons

[The Signal]

Just seen this ep thought was great however dubious the jupper being shot down was.(You would think a space ship flying around with out shields would at least be toughed for the occasional space debris).

Well, space debris is not being aimed, so it can be deflected. And as Rodney said, old tech vs new tech. The Jumpers would be better for defense against energy weapons. Like the personal Goa'uld shields, they can block gunshots and energy weapon shots, but are useless against bows and arrows, why? because they were designed with higher technolgy in mind, leaving them vulnerable to more primitive tech

[GatetheWay]

I liked the episode, but didn't find it really gripping like it should have been. I loved the Sheppard bits,he had some great lines as already mentioned. The stick bit was great too, he never disappoints. Liked McKay here too. It just lacked a sense of real danger, don't know why. I loved the creepy Wraith though, errrh!
Not a bad episode, just not quite as good as I felt it could have been. Will have to watch it again though as I was interrupted in the middle! So am perhaps not giving it a fair chance.Not my favourite episode so far this season.

I thought the same thing when I saw the episode for the first time and after thinking about it I came to the conclusion that the main bad guy was all talk and no action. They said he killed 12 people, he threated the team but really in the end to only damage that he did was shoot the wall behind Rodney. I think for there to of been a real sense of danger someone should of gotten hurt and I don't count Ronon with the arrow in his leg, he hardly even limped afterward. Even if the guy had hurt or killed one of his own men it would of made the situation more ernest.

[Linzi]

I thought the same thing when I saw the episode for the first time and after thinking about it I came to the conclusion that the main bad guy was all talk and no action. They said he killed 12 people, he threated the team but really in the end to only damage that he did was shoot the wall behind Rodney. I think for there to of been a real sense of danger someone should of gotten hurt and I don't count Ronon with the arrow in his leg, he hardly even limped afterward. Even if the guy had hurt or killed one of his own men it would of made the situation more ernest.

You've totally hit the nail on the head here! the bad guy WAS all talk and no action, in fact he seemed pretty reasonable. Yes, I agree,one of the team should have been tortured/wounded, then the bad guy would've been a real threat, and the team would have been really in danger. In fact, Sheppard should have been whumped. He's just darned asking for it, in my opinion.

[Gate Master]

Well, space debris is not being aimed, so it can be deflected. And as Rodney said, old tech vs new tech. The Jumpers would be better for defense against energy weapons. Like the personal Goa'uld shields, they can block gunshots and energy weapon shots, but are useless against bows and arrows, why? because they were designed with higher technolgy in mind, leaving them vulnerable to more primitive tech

I fully understand the whole new tech/old tech argument and conceed
that its possible they got a lucky shot in at a vulnerable spot. However how did you come to the conclusion that the jumpers are better equipped to deal with energy weapons. Most energy weapons that we've seen in the show and the weapon used by the prisoners both use the same energies to inflict damage. They both use Kinetic and heat energy only the energy weapon equiv is far more efficient in directing that energy. Also its doubtful that the goauld tech was designed with higher tech in mind considering that the people they ruled over were primitive humans who had been know in the past for uprising. It was more likely an unfortunate weakness of the shield out side their control.

[Crazedwraith]

Compeltey medicore episode, aside from the new Upper claass wraith Dude. He rocked.

Abd some intresting points on Wraith culture: They're not a united front presumbly its every Hive for itself.

And still not liking Dex. They screwed Ford for this loser?

[SnoggingPicard]

My favorite part of this episode was that Weir really got to be a hard-edge toward the politician. She really showed why she got the job she has, and I loved to see her make her way off-world and rescue the team. Loved it.