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    USAF infantry?

    Does the Air Force even have an infantry unit? I've been doing some research and the closest thing the Air Force gets to grunt work is dropping off grunts. And also on many occasions, Jack and Sam said they were special forces which would mean they are Army. But on like the 3rd episode of stargate (i think the episodes called emancipation) carter said that shes lvl 3 advanced in hand to hand combat which i think only marines do. So basically im confused what branch of the armed forces is SG-1.

    #2
    SG-1 (Jack and Sam) are both considered to be Air Force, but have also been trained in certain areas by other branches, or so that's the impression I've gotten.
    I asked my dad, who is a former Green Beret, and he says that cross-training is done in the US military, or at least it was in his day. For example, he and his team trained with the SEAL divers, but they never graduated as SEALs. From what he tells me, Air Force guys/gals could train with Special Forces, but they would not be considered to be SF. So Jack probably has SF training and Sam has Marine (or something like that) training, but they are still USAF.
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      #3
      The USAF Special Ops is called Para Rescue. I have several friends in the AF and from what they tell me the training for those guys is pretty intense. As I understand it, their main purpose is to rescue downed pilots, but as with all special ops I'm sure they get tasked to do other things as well.

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        #4
        If you want to read about Air Force Special Operations try this web site Special Tactics

        There is information on Pararescue and Combat Control on this site.
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          #5
          you cant expect a tv show to have perfect military stature.

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            #6
            The USAF special Op's forces are known as some of the very best (if not the best) of all the special force units in the military. I have a buddy of mine that started and runs MMA athletes site I Mod at who is special forces in the USAF. He saw action in Afghanistan and then in Iraq. He was there on the front lines like any grunt would be. He's now stationed in Japan.
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              #7
              thats wierd though United States Airforce with an infantry, ive always wanted to know why!

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                #8
                Originally posted by Heru'urs_first_prime
                thats wierd though United States Airforce with an infantry, ive always wanted to know why!
                Because it's easier for a branch to provide a service than to have to depend on another branch to to do it. Thus, each branch has its own grouping that does things you'd expect to be left solely in the hands of another branch.

                For instance, the Navy has their own pilots. (Yes, it's something many of the Air Force types I know still think is a great evil. ) Meanwhile the Navy has its own special ops ground guys, the Seals. And the Air Force has the SOG, the Special Operations Group, which is what I think The Fifth Race is referring to in his/her post above.

                From everything that's been said on "SG1," Jack was obviously a member of the SOG, which explains his skills and training. On top of that, military members do get the opportunity to train in programs run by other branches. For instance, my Air Force hubby was invited to take part in an Army recondo course while he was at the Academy. He also considered applying to the Seals when he graduated, but decided not to because it meant he would have to transfer over to the Navy.

                Basically, there are a lot of Air Force guys who have skills that have nothing to do with flying. Unfortunately, the fast track to promotion *is* still to be a flyer, but not every officer does it, even if they've been to UPT. I love the story my OSI agent husband tells about going to SOS a few years ago. It was him, one combat control guy, and a bunch of pilots. By the end of the first week, the pilots were all very freaked out by both of them!

                Make sense?
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                  #9
                  The Air Force's infantry are mainly concentrated in it's security forces and special operations. Security Forces provide not only traditional Military Policing (including base SWAT Teams) function but also security for deployed units in FOBs. They cross train with the US Army (I guess they never totally broke away from them ) regularly.
                  Here's a picture of them in action.


                  In addition there are the Special Tactics Teams which consist of Combat Controllers, Pararescue Jumpers, and Combat Weathermen. All three apart from their specialist and primary roles, are trained in ground combat and recently SOCOM has set out a basic skill set that they want all SOCOM units to have. In theory, Combat Weathermen could find themselves blowing up an ammo depot if required.

                  There no "the Special Operations Group". There's the 352nd and 353rd which are comprised of three operational and one support squadron. One the operational squadrons is a Special Tactics Squadron which consists of several special tactics teams.




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                    #10
                    thanks guys, now I know

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                      #11
                      My cousin's husband was Air Force special ops, a combat controller I believe. He did two tours in Iraq, attached to Army Ranger units.

                      However, he left the Air Force, and joined the Army the very next day to enter a Warrant Officer training program. Seems the AF doesn't have warrant officers.


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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Hatcheter
                        My cousin's husband was Air Force special ops, a combat controller I believe. He did two tours in Iraq, attached to Army Ranger units.

                        However, he left the Air Force, and joined the Army the very next day to enter a Warrant Officer training program. Seems the AF doesn't have warrant officers.
                        so what is he trying out for now then?

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                          #13
                          my brother is retired AF of 18 years he was a para trooper. he told me about all his training and alot of the things he had to do. lemme tell ya no false statement in what oniel has done.

                          my brother trained with seals and did HALO jumps, trained with greenberets, and marine recon. unless he is lying to me which i highley dought.

                          however he did say when he went to joint training with other branches of special forces they always picked on the AF special operations units guys.

                          you have to remember the AF is the ones with all the cool tech stuff.. when satilite networks need to be set up in combat areas to track enemy units the AF is the ones that are sent in to station these cool things on the sides of mountians and such.



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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Panther
                            There no "the Special Operations Group". There's the 352nd and 353rd which are comprised of three operational and one support squadron. One the operational squadrons is a Special Tactics Squadron which consists of several special tactics teams.
                            Actually, you're wrong here. Yes, there is the 352 and the 353, but they are called the SOG, or Special Operations Group. I know this because I've been stationed at bases where they have also been stationed.

                            But since I know you're a geek who gets his info from the internet and not actual military experience. Here's a link for you:

                            http://www.steehouwer.com/airfete01/airfete2001_4.html

                            I figure that's one I can give you without violating my security clearance. It also gives you some nice pictures of the aircraft the SOG use on a regular basis.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Panther
                              The Air Force's infantry are mainly concentrated in it's security forces and special operations. Security Forces provide not only traditional Military Policing (including base SWAT Teams) function but also security for deployed units in FOBs. They cross train with the US Army (I guess they never totally broke away from them ) regularly.
                              Here's a picture of them in action.
                              Also, the SFs primarily provide security. What policing they do is responding to domestic disturbances on base and going out to make arrests on joint ops with OSI. (I know this because my husband is OSI and one of my best friends is a kick ass female SF.) OSI does most of the police-type investigating, suspect interviews, search and seizures, and undercover ops. They also do their own takedowns, but they do bring in the SFs when they require "SWAT" style back-up.

                              I've always thought it was interesting that the Air Force is still biased against women in combat, but allows women to be SFs. In today's terrorist environment, *they're* just as much on the front lines as anybody. The best story my SF friend ever told me was about a local guy at a foreign location who refused to step away from the exterior of an AF fence when she asked him to. He looked at her and, obviously discounting her because she was a woman, asked, "What are you going to do about it? You're in there and I'm out here."

                              Her response?

                              "I think you underestimate the reach of me and my gun."

                              Oddly enough, he walked away.
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