God, I hope your rightOriginally Posted by not so ancient
crosses fingers (3 weeks till Trinity)
God, I hope your rightOriginally Posted by not so ancient
crosses fingers (3 weeks till Trinity)
I must be one of the few people on this thread who didn't mind the double dose of Rodney goodness... I have always been of the opinion that Rodney teeters on the edge of annoyance anyway but without Sheppard to pull him into line... the one man show can obviously be quite trying. If anything, I think the episode proves to me quite clearly how well the two men bounce off each other and absorb one another's quirks.
During the last season, it was apparent that Rodney was gradually getting less whiny... but I still think we had glimpses of that side to his personality now and again but for the Wraith threat to keep him occupied. I don't Rodney is the kind of man who should be idle for too long... he thinks too much and doing so... he talks too much...
I found the sunblock angle quite amusing but maybe because I live in a part of the world which purportedly has the highest rate of skin cancer in the world. Everyone is paranoid about using sunscreen, hats and some kind of covering when going outdoors... ... children are sent off to school everyday covered with 30+ SPF sunscreen and floppy hats... something that is mandatory these days, I believe. To see that someone else that paranoid about skin cancer resonated with me, especially contrasted with all that over abundant gungho attitude that everyone else seems to have.
The most refreshing thing about Rodney (and to some extent, Beckett) is that he has personality traits different to most of the other characters in the show. He talks too much, not afraid to show his fears, whines (says what everyone is afraid to say) and pushes everyone's patience to untold limits. But that's who he is... It's a nice contrast to everyone's seeming lack of fear, stoicism and politeness. I rather liked what Major Lorne said to him about his "having to be some kind of genius because Col Sheppard hasn't shot you yet"... (which incidentally, evokes "I shot him" in Hide and Seek).
I think we were presented with the whole spectrum of the character in the episode... vanity, fearfulness, a man pushed to limits and even a little tendresse in his scenes with Ford.... No... I didn't mind Rodney at all...
and hopefully we'll see more of that tendresse in later episodes.
"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"
Who else things that Ford is going to secure that wraith dart for himself?
How, its not like they transported him into the Dart itself just into some type of transport buffer. Now once they take him out of the buffer on the mother ship I think the Wraith in the immediate vicinty are scrwd and Ford will be in enzyne heaven.Originally Posted by Auralis
Joseph Mallozzi -"In the meantime, I'm into season 5 of OZ (where the show takes an unfortunate hairpin turn into "the not so wonderful world of fantasy")"
^^^ Kinda sounds like seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 to me. Thor, ya got Aspirin?
AGateFan has officially Gone Fishin (with Jack, Sam, Daniel, Teal'c) and is hoping Atlantis does not take that same hairpin turn.
Me!Originally Posted by Auralis
Did anyone else sorta laugh when Sheppard was telling Ronan that the Stargate is guarded and Ronan was like, "Stargate?" and Sheppard replied, "Stargate, big circle thing" moving his head in a circular motion?
Go SG-1! Go ATLANTIS!WOOHOO!
<<Amanda Tapping's the only sweet hunny bunny for me>>
I enjoyed this episode a lot.
I can see how McKay could be reduced to comic foil without any of the depth. But, his scenes were so funny and I was laughing out loud.
Jason Momoa is a very good actor. He brought some depth to his role which I was afraid would just be a muscle man with a little angst. I like the character of Ronon. This one's a winner.
Rainbow Sun Francks did a fabulous job. It was heartbreaking seeing the sweet, joyful Ford popping up in between the crazed, maniacal freak. I wasn't a big fan of Ford, but I hope they find a way to keep him on the show after this arc is finished.
Caldwell was great. He just seems like such an adult among our crew. He brought up some very important points and it was nice to see Sheppard get confronted for some of his decisions although Caldwell was a little mean bringing up Sumner.
I quite enjoyed this action packed episode. Love the interaction between McKay and Ford. In fact, I thought Rainbow Sun Franks was great in this episode. Now was Ford really about to shoot Sheppard before Ronan took him out? I can understand he really wanting to shoot McKay (since even saner character feel that way from time to time) but did the gun go off only after Ronan jumped on Ford or was Ford really nut enough to want to at least wound Sheppard?
Another minor thing, I don't know if it's just a issue of my tv (and/or video tape) but the fight between Ronan and Ford was a bit dark to see.
I hope it won't be too long until we see Ford again (Sheppard should have mentioned meeting his cousin...actually, McKay should have brought up the trip back to Earth).
I just love shows about wormholes!
I laughed myself silly at Rodney's suntan lotion (100 spf!) becuase... such a thing exists, in Canada, but it's banned in the USofA because it contains Mexoryl. Makes me wonder if that's not some kind of in=joke....
Recognized Major Lorne as soon as I saw him from that Unas SG1 ep. Interesting to see they're transferring some of the guest characters from SG1 to SGA. Just do NOT, repeat DO NOT, xfer Felger, not unless he vanishes in a transporter accident. Ack. Oh in fact, think that SG1 episode hits syndication next week (with Lorne)
Ford was great. Friend-pal-buddy one minute, "I'm going to kill you" the next. Definitely has some problems! Can't wait to see him again. The scene with Shep was great; before he runs off into the beam he yells soemthing like I'll show you! Part of him doesn't mind killing McKay for defending himself (as Ford was about to aim his gun at McKay). Sorta of schizo to some degree but it sure seems like he's trying to prove himself to Shep to let him back on the team and back to Atlantis. Oh and the fight scene with Dex was good too.
McKay was overall good, especially when confronted with Ford, but dind't care for the screaming after he ran off shooting. It was so much like the Capital One tv ad that I keep seeing that I couldn't help associate it with it, and I'd like to think he wouldn't yell so much, not after a whole year in Pegasus.... But I don't mind McKay whining, but would rather him whine with purpose, not just to whine. When he put his foot down adn told Ford he was going off to the jumper by himself, THAT was McKay. Obnoxious, do what he wants.
Sheppard - quite enjoyed his scenes with Caldwell, who is shaping up to be a good characte.r He's not so much a jerk as insensitive in some respects. Geez, is every commander who visits Atlantis going to drag up Sumner and shove that in Sheppard's face? I mean, Everett acknowkedges what Shep did was correct, but along comes Caldwell to twist the knife in again.
I didn't consider this to be a great episode because it just didn't flow smoothly. I mean, Beckett is prepping for surgery in the broad daylight but doesn't get started till it's dark? Geez, was he making Dex fill out insurance forms or what? And no locals? No stitches? pick pick
Dex was introduced well (considering how TPTB made the mistake of introducing Jonas - you NEVER kill off a character and introduce his replacement in teh same peisode and tell people to like him). Looks like the producers learned Got an episode in between and Ford is still alive, if not somewhat psycho, and it seems that Dex is leery about the Atlantis folk, which make sense.
Hmm, McKay's got a new shirt. Wow! but he was back in blue at the end. Like all blue better than brown with a blue stripe. Brown & blue, eh, don't go together.
What I want to see in future eps is more Sheppard & McKay snark; it was missing as Mckay did most of his snarking to the replacement major....
More obnoxious McKay (but not just whining for the sake of it)
Good episode. The introduction of Ronen Dex (sp?) was very well-done IMO. The parts with McKay were hilarious. Between his homemade sunscreen, listing off how much radiation he was exposed to, and then the scenes of him from after he shot Ford to when he got stuck up a tree were classic moments. The action was pretty sweet, especially Ronen vs. Super-Ford. I must admit, it was kinda nice to see Ford again, even if he is addicted to the Ensyme and now crazy. The showdown between him and Sheppard was very good. I did not expect him to run into the Wraith beam, so it took me by surprise.
I could continue to rant, but I doubt I could come up with anything different then what you guys already talked about. I enjoyed SG-1 better, but I still loved Atlantis. I give it ****1/2.
Ford-Rainbow Sun Franks did an incredible job. It was heartwrenching to see the normally sunny Aiden shine through (He got promoted, good for him!), turn to desperation at trying to break through his alienation, his despair and then his his more aggressive and threatened moments. It was so smart to force Ford and McKay together, because they didn't have reason to be close and McKay would be the least threatening to him. I think it enabled Ford to interact much more freely with an Atlantis presence that wouldn't be so much of a grounded presence for Ford, if that makes any sense. On a more humorous note, I couldn't help but ask McKay, "You want to test SuperFord's prime prediction power?'
Ronan-I like Ronan. I can't imagine losing seven years of your life to his existance.
Sheppard and Caldwell-I really like the dynamic Caldwell brings, adding a more detached and cold but still valid point-of-view. I don't see him as ruthless as Maybourne wanting to imprison/kill Teal'c because he might be indirectly useful, but appreciate what he adds to the mix. Their clash adds more insight to the situation.
I found the Sheppard/Teyla scene in the cave amusing as the Atlantis rendition of the infamous "It's my sidearm, I swear."
MALP scene-Could someone help me with this?-I don't understand how you can assess the status of a planet from what's right next to the Stargate. I can't imagine the only place on the planet they occupied is right next to the Stargate. They could still be surviving somewhere else or underground like we've already seen with the Genii. I can accept the 'more exploring done offscreen' for other situations, and primitive cultures may not have expanded as much, but in this scenario it was plainly evident that everyone was telling Ronan his world was dead because of one MALP picture.
I've read many posts that express concerns of McKay being shown as a buffoon, and I do see where you're coming from, but I must disagree and hope that I'm not in an apparent minority. I didn't see McKay as over the top or out of character. And I especially enjoyed his interactions with Ford, from trying to mollify him to refusing to take another step to "When did this escalate to killing?!" while upside down.
I didn't see his behavior as any sort of contradiction to last season or in spite of any character development because this situation was very different from others. In this episode, Rodney was completely out of his element with no clear objective. He went to this planet because Ford was on it, not in any scientific capacity, no clear goal to invest his energy toward. His role, situation, and safety were all uncertain as he trailed around a forest soaked in radiation, completely out of place, with an off-balance Ford, who he was suppose to be psyching (because he has such good people skills). There was nothing straight forward or familiar; nothing down his alley to help him feel like he had some control. I mean, when Ford was pursuing him with a gun, Rodney was lost, running through a strange, dark forest by himself. That's why I think his whining and reactionary behaviors were amplified. In "The Defiant One" it was clear cut that Sheppard was battling a Wraith in order to regain the puddle jumper and needed help. In other situations like "The Storm" and "The Eye" Rodney's primary function was as a scientist, he was in familiar surroundings, and therefore probably felt less out of control. He had to deal with manipulating the city under Kolya's threat but with the outstanding objective of bringing up the shields for him to focus on. He could apply his aptitudes to the situation.
Last week I was bewildered how the radiation exposure was written off as a sunburn, when some side-effects could have been mentioned as a result of their endeavor, and considering that radiation poisoning took Daniel's life. So I was very pleased to see the concern revisited. I can understand McKay being even more sensitive about radiation after Intruder; Hermiod thought it was enough to kill them.
It's also possible he was additionally unnerved by Ford, because even though he's seen his colleagues die and been in dangerous situations himself, seeing Ford, someone he worked with, unhinged and lost part of his mind brings to light a different sort of threat, from Ford himself but also the notion of what happened to him.
I'm not saying his character should remain stagnant. I don't think a year ago he would have actually shot at Ford when threatened. I wonder what he was actually aiming for, because that was a good shot to the arm.
Last edited by sparklegem; July 30th, 2005 at 08:44 PM. Reason: rephrasing
I really liked this ep. I loved that tptb had Major Lorne there. I like him in the SG-1 ep. in season 7. I was hoping he would come back in SG-1 but this is better than I thought.
I liked the scenes with Ford and McKay. McKay was being McKay in this ep. But at the end when McKay shot Ford and ran away, I didn't like. I hope that tptb develop McKay more in military things because after awhile it is not going to be funny any more.
I don't think Caldwell brought up Sumner just to be a jerk, but to bring Sheppard back to the reality of the situation. To Caldwell, looking from the outside in on both situations, it was the same thing. It was a hard, cold thing to say, but IMHO, it was the exact thing to say to Sheppard to make him understand what exactly was going on. If he could get him, fine. If not -shoot him.Originally Posted by prion
Interestingly enough, Everett was just like Sheppard is now when it came to Sumner. They've switched roles. Everett wanted Sumner saved and blamed Sheppard for shooting him. Sheppard did what he had to do reluctantly to keep Sumner's information out of enemy hands. Now, Shep feels like Everett did and Caldwell is saying, do what needs to be done to keep the information out of enemy hands.
Nice twist on that by the writers.
Not as good as last week, but, enjoyable.
I just don't like how Ford is a drug-addict and unable to control himself. Because the way it's being written right now, they seem to be keeping it safe, such that, they can rescue him one day and bring him right back to the good old ford (the one that didn't have any lines).
I would have liked it much better if ford WAS in control of himself, and, while still wanting to befriend the Atlantis crew, thinks that these superman abilities are too useful to risk loosing. Make him go on a one-man mission to destroy the wraith.
Physco Ford just seems like he'll getting boring soon. And, for Rainbow, i wanta make sure he gets a great character development if he's going to get booted from the main cast for this (although, it's nice to see he still gets a main cast credit, i wonder if that'll last?)
I thought it was a good episode. It wasn't the best but I liked seeing the support characters get out of the city and it was fun. I thought Caldwell was good and had a point I think that he brings reality to Atlantis. Was Weir even in the episode beause I almost didn't notice at all. Mckay was a little to over the top but I did like his interaction with Ford. Is it me or do they forget that they barely made it out of of the seige alive. It was ok but it served its role in introducing new characters and showing that they Atlatnis is not in the clear and that it is only a matter of time until the Wraith realize that they are still there and that the City is too.
Shouldn't they try not attracting attension to themselves by being in uniform and all. I just think that the Wraith would of been all of the ruins of the city after the pretend explosion. Like was said last year the Wraith should of gone after the scraps of the city so they could get to Earth. Is it me or did they seem to forget that plot point so far.
Last edited by rhade; July 30th, 2005 at 08:51 PM.
That's what I thought at the end of Seige Pt. III. Such an elaborate self-destruct plan was necessary because the Ancients systems were really redundant and they were worried the Wraith would find what they needed among the pieces. But then they ended up going with a plan, out of desperation, that relied on the Wraith not investigating any remainders of the city. In the end, I guess the false self-destruct was their only option and they just got really, really lucky that the Wraith didn't investigate. I think they should be keeping somewhat of a low profile off-world, but they could also be refugees from Atlantis that were forced to relocate so their discovery doesn't necessarily give their secret away.Originally Posted by rhade
Overall, I felt that this was a very good episode and a strong introduction for Ronnon. The return of Ford was handled well; he still seemed to care for his friends on Atlantis but was clearly fighting with some level of mental instability. I really got the sense that Ford isn't out to hurt anyone, but is just really really confused. If he is ever 'cured' and returns to Atlantis he could teach us a lot about the Wraith.
I also thoroughly enjoyed seeing everyone's breath-frost appear on camera as they spoke on a supposidly very very hot planet. Guess they still can't escape Canada's cold weather. Lol....
My 2-cents worth:
Really liked this episode. Ronon is going to bring a nice, gritty edge to the show. . hopefully. Jason Momoa did a very good job in a tough situation as the "new guy on the block" and the fight scene with Ford was excellent.
Rainbow did another terrific job. Ford now has some "issues" that could get interesting in the future and I'm hoping we see him as a "regular recurring" character (is there such thing? ).
Lots of discussion and ranting on McKay. He was "close" to over-the-top here, but I really like McKay, even when he is on caffeine overdose. One thing is certain - you never miss a word he says.
Caldwell - short screen time, but he was right in talking to Sheppard. The Wraith think Atlantis is GONE and bi-polar Super Ford is a danger to them. But we all knew Shep would go for the leg shot instead of a head shot. He tried to help retrieve his friend, but unfortunately it didn't work.
Weir - not much this week, but after two weeks of good character development, she had to take a back seat to introduce Ronon Dex. Happens sometimes.
Teyla - Still boring as ever. *shaking head* The only thing interesting that she did was stare at Ronon's chest (or was it the necklace he was wearing?).
Overall I really enjoyed this episode.
Like Ronon Dex and look forward to seeing how they develop this character more.
This is the best acting I've seen from RSF I really enjoyed watching his transformation of Ford from the gunho military kid to the drug controled agressive character.
Enjoyed what the character of Caldwell has to bring to the table. I look forward to seeing more of the interaction between him, Sheppard, and Weir.
I really did not like the whiny McKay though. I'm a big McKay/Hewlitt fan and he was just over the top whiny in my opinion this week.
Holy Sh*t! That episode was amazing! I just dont know what it is about the night based eps but the'r just great especially this one. The plot was good at introducing Dex and letting us get to know him- but not too much. He is a great charachter w/ lots of potential.
The ford arc was mind blowing, I love ford even more so now, his reaction unpon hearind Shep's promo was priceless and it shows us that ford isnt all that changed. He looked a bit like rambo with the heaband, but thats cool!! He even showed a bit of emotion, and we saw that he does want to be back with the team. I hope in the fucture when the Ford arc is over he will be brough back as a regular.
The new soldiers were really good too, and we actually got to know one a bit although (forgot his name!).
Sheppard was his usual self, clever funny and a good soldier which for me is great.
Teyla didnt annoy me!
I loved rodneys attempt to be "a hard man" when he shot Ford and then quickly returning to the lovable coward!
Caldwell is the new bates!! IMO he has the same views, he looks out for the good of the city and its people without letting emotions get in the way. This I think is a good thing to have in the city.
All in alll I loved this episode and dare i say i find myself liking Atlantis alot more than SG1......blasphemy I know!
Good episode. Major Lorne kinda reminds me of the chief from BSG.
I guess Ronan will stay with them to help fight the Wraith, who he also hates.