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    Quote Originally Posted by zats
    I liked this ep! I still get a headache trying to work out ye olde time dialation thingabob and how it worked through the 'gate...but either way it was really cool.
    I tried to remember that also but gave up on it after while. Now I wonder what has happened to Col. Cromwell, I believe that's his name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greytop
    I tried to remember that also but gave up on it after while. Now I wonder what has happened to Col. Cromwell, I believe that's his name.
    From his point of view, he's likely whizzing resignedly into a black hole and getting pulled to bits and from there no one knows. From an observer's point of view, he's barely moving and is stretching weirdly and basically dying what looks like a horribly drawn-out death.

    Yeah, I try not to think of either time dialation or Cromwell. Some topics shouldn't be dwelled upon.

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    Isn't Carter going to get into trouble for losing her tags? I'm sure there must be regs. that say you must wear your tags at all time while on active duty!

    And how do you write up the report?

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    Gotta say I loved this episode.

    I'm a bit of an astronomy buff, and I never found the technobabble in this episode hard to follow. Everythin made perfect sense.

    I did find out one thing I didn't know about was the time dialation, and that means I learnt something from Jack!!!

    I knew he was intelligent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaBee
    Isn't Carter going to get into trouble for losing her tags? I'm sure there must be regs. that say you must wear your tags at all time while on active duty!
    Tags are very easy to replace, and no, there would be no report involved.



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    i LOVED this episode

    SG-1 saves the world again!!!!!! (what this makes it the 2 time?) hee hee

    it had a fantastic mix of si-fi and action, i also liked the old special ops officer that showed up form Jacks past to 'save' him, this helped highlight the fact that amongst 6 billioin people still living 4 people died that episode

    it happens a lot in stargate but this was the first time i REALLY noticed it.

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    Sooo.... When time was moving slower in the SGC.... why didn't that slower moving chunck of earth move more slowly through space becoming out of line with earth... and probably colliding with it... and ripping apart ... and other stuff like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobraR478
    Sooo.... When time was moving slower in the SGC.... why didn't that slower moving chunck of earth move more slowly through space becoming out of line with earth... and probably colliding with it... and ripping apart ... and other stuff like that.
    Perhaps it was being shoved through space by the faster moving chunk? It's probably one of those things about the situtation that was confusing Sam...



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    Quote Originally Posted by cobraR478
    Sooo.... When time was moving slower in the SGC.... why didn't that slower moving chunck of earth move more slowly through space becoming out of line with earth... and probably colliding with it... and ripping apart ... and other stuff like that.
    That's a good question. The same problem, on a galactic scale, applies in season four's "Window of Opportunity." Guess they can't address every issue in 45 min.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobraR478
    Sooo.... When time was moving slower in the SGC.... why didn't that slower moving chunck of earth move more slowly through space becoming out of line with earth... and probably colliding with it... and ripping apart ... and other stuff like that.
    You are overthinking it.

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    I think this one has to be a case of The Ep Was So Good That We'll Give Them A Free Pass On All Plotholes.

    Or maybe it was Magnets.

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    Ignoring all overthinking technobabble stuff (which I have just got to do to keep my sanity and my good grades) I'll simply say that this episode was extremely good. I think Jack really deserved to get a good night's sleep after being awake for two weeks. I know. That whole "time is relative" thing, it's just a joke.
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    oh dear. time dialation, gowd what a headache a rather pointless episode but still mildly entertaining. i don't even try to understand time travel and never will probably why its a rather poor espisode to me.
    the only thing is if the gate connected to earth from the blackhole planet was disconected by the bomb, what happened to it? did it shut down cos i thought it was drawing its power from the blackhole itself. if not then it would have jumped to some other planet like their gate did but if that happened how did they re-dial it in "exodus"? given that time slowed down it would take years to disconnect rather that 38 minutes.
    correct me if im wrong i probably miss heard them mention it, given that i have only seen it twice.

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    It was the black-hole end that jumped.

    Earth==============Black Hole

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    Earth==============Planet a couple of light years or more from Black Hole

    the second wormhole would be just a 'normal' one, so it was easy to shut down. The BH gate would have been without any wormhole from the moment that the bomb went off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobraR478
    Sooo.... When time was moving slower in the SGC.... why didn't that slower moving chunck of earth move more slowly through space becoming out of line with earth... and probably colliding with it... and ripping apart ... and other stuff like that.
    Because it was time that was slowing down, not matter, and time was only slowing down or speeding up depending on where the observer was.

    ie: In the control room, Sam and Teal'c were observing Jack and Cromwell from a different time zone, so to speak, but both teams were actually moving at the same speed relative to their positions. Sam and Teal'c observed the glass appear to slowly float out toward Jack, but the glass had always been traveling at the high velocity we saw it strike Jack with(which means that Sam's warning shout should not have reached Jack ahead of the glass - that was a no-no.)
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    I believe that Jack had heard Sam's warning because he move his head forward and the glass hit him in back of the shoulder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greytop
    I believe that Jack had heard Sam's warning because he move his head forward and the glass hit him in back of the shoulder.
    Sam stood watching as the glass shattered and flew toward the guys. She then moves toward the glassless window frame to yell, "Look out, Colonel!"

    Jack has time not only to hear her warning but to react to it by looking toward her and then trying to duck the glass.

    In reality, the glass would've hit Jack before Sam even had time to go and lean on the pane(let alone yell out a warning) - because time was not slowing the glass down while speeding the sound of her voice up.
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    One is evil: he is fear, anger, envy, greed, arrogance, self-pity,
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    confidence, generosity, truth, gentleness, and compassion."
    A child asked, "Grandfather, which wolf will win?"
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    But sound would still travel faster than 'falling' glass. Sound travelling towards Jack would undergo the same proportionate distortion as the falling glass, so it does seem possible to me that the shout would reach Jack before the glass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine_W
    But sound would still travel faster than 'falling' glass. Sound travelling towards Jack would undergo the same proportionate distortion as the falling glass, so it does seem possible to me that the shout would reach Jack before the glass.

    No, I meant that the glass would have hit Jack before Sam had even yelled out the warning. (see quote:
    In reality, the glass would've hit Jack before Sam even had time to go and lean on the pane
    "

    What's more, it's not like the glass was merely falling at the pull-rate of Earth's normal gravity; it was sucked toward Jack with the force that had been strong enough to shatter the shatter-proof glass - that would have greatly accelerated it's velocity. But even under normal conditions, Sam's reaction time was still too long relative to the short distance the glass needed to travel to hit Jack.

    It would have been more believable(and cooler, IMO) if Jack had been hit by the rushing glass and then, seconds later, Sam's voice had reached him.
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    "In every life there is a terrible fight – a fight between two wolves.
    One is evil: he is fear, anger, envy, greed, arrogance, self-pity,
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    confidence, generosity, truth, gentleness, and compassion."
    A child asked, "Grandfather, which wolf will win?"
    The elder looked the child in the eye. "The one you feed."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tok'Ra Hostess
    No, I meant that the glass would have hit Jack before Sam had even yelled out the warning
    I know what you were saying, but I don't agree at all. Relative to Sam the glass was travelling with ever decreasing speed as it flew away from her. The speed of light would not have been affected by the black hole yet; over distances as small as the gate-room it can be considered to travel instantaneously. So when she could see the glass half-way between her and Jack, the glass actually *was* halfway between her and Jack.

    Relative to Sam, the glass travelled very slowly. She had ample time to call out. And she did call out while the glass was in transit to Jack's position.

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