Sam Carter/Jack O'Neill Ship Discussion Thread

[majorsal]

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But does anyone remember the story about RDA and AT going back to film some stuff after Moebius had wrapped up? Did we ever find out what they did there? Was it stuff for moebius, or was it for s9? (i'm hoping for the latter personally ) Or did it not happen at all?

spoilers for s8 and spoiler/speculation for s9

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I remember that quite fine. From what I've read about Moeb 2, I don't see what the two of them would have filmed alone that needed to be added on the ep. Meaning, maybe them being called back was to set up season 9??? I'm actually scared of hoping for that, because I'm tired of getting burned. And run over. And beaten up. And kicked in the face. And other icky stuff. But I'm still hoping! (will I ever learn? )

Sally

[Token]

spoilers for s8 and spoiler/speculation for s9

Spoiler:

I remember that quite fine. From what I've read about Moeb 2, I don't see what the two of them would have filmed alone that needed to be added on the ep. Meaning, maybe them being called back was to set up season 9??? I'm actually scared of hoping for that, because I'm tired of getting burned. And run over. And beaten up. And kicked in the face. And other icky stuff. But I'm still hoping! (will I ever learn? )

Sally

I know how you feel! It is the endless plight of a Shipper to always have HOPE! Life without hope is ....well...hopeless. Here's to Sam and Jack in Season 9.

Spoiler:

Remember when we kept waiting for the "ideal" dream sequence that was supposedly filmed with RDA? But hope springs eternal! And all those other cliches!

[auralan]

I keeping my fingers crossed Next question: do you think that we'll get to see Sam spending the night with Jack.Here is my thought

Spoiler:

Perhaps in Avalon that we see Sam sleeping and than her phone cell goes off.Something urgent.She says she has got to go and than we get a shot of someone lying right next to her:JACK

Season 9 spoilers.

I'd love to see a scene like that, but

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I doubt it would be in Avalon. Amanda is on leave for the early episodes and likely won't appear in them. Still, there's nothing preventing something like that in a later episode. Say, the one where she returns?

[auralan]

I'm just gonna write it all in tags anyway, juuuust to be safe!

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My biggest hope for what's going to happen between them, is one(actualy hundreds in my wildest fantasies lol) big REAL kiss. Plus just a lot of subtle 'we're a couple' type things. I love the subtle stuff as much as I love the in your face stuff.

I feel a little more hopeful knowing RDA is doing at least 2 guests to begin with. I'm thin king that since they're filming them in LA, that so long as they continue to bring the cameras to him, he'll continue to be involved in the show where ever possible. Buuuut that also doesn't give me a lot of hope about Sams story for her absence. If AT isn't there to film with RDA, we wont be seeing much shippiness i guess. But does anyone remember the story about RDA and AT going back to film some stuff after Moebius had wrapped up? Did we ever find out what they did there? Was it stuff for moebius, or was it for s9? (i'm hoping for the latter personally ) Or did it not happen at all?

Season 8 spoilers:

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I think the being called back to film bit was a misunderstanding surrounding filming running over the initial schedule. I don't think anybody was actually called back so much as worked later than originally planned. The Moebius II kiss scene was done as part of regular filming. They definitely extended regular filming a couple weeks it disrupted convention appearances. The being called back bit was all rumor in the first place, so it's rather hard to pin down exactly.

I'm not worried now that we have the news RDA is appearing in some episodes. It sounds like he has filmed some in LA and gone to Vancouver for other bits, so anything is possible. I just hope more spoilers leak soon. They're rather scarce this season and I hate not knowing!

[auralan]

From Joe in the ask Joe Thread:

season 7 & 8 very vague spoilers Chimera through Threads:

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The question: "Why have you continued this Sam/Jack thing to the point of nausea?"

Joe's answer: "Are you sure you're not referring to the cutesy-wootsy Carter/Pete relationship? That's the one that made me a little woozy."

ROTFLMAO!

It's good to know we're not alone.

I love Joe.

[Shipperahoy]

I just read that and LMAO. It's going to irritate quite a few people but I found it hugely amusing. Not to mention that Joe's an incredibly good sport for answering that entire post considering it's somewhat antogonistic nature. Now if he'll just answer any question about S/J in season 9 I'll be an incredibly happy camper.

[auralan]

I just read that and LMAO. It's going to irritate quite a few people but I found it hugely amusing. Not to mention that Joe's an incredibly good sport for answering that entire post considering it's somewhat antogonistic nature. Now if he'll just answer any question about S/J in season 9 I'll be an incredibly happy camper.

I don't think there was any way Joe could answer that sort of question without irritating somebody. It was a classic "Have you stopped beating your wife?" sort of question. I do feel some sympathy for those on the other side. I'm in that situation in another fandom now where canon is going somewhere I had hoped it never would, but it's not going to stop me from giggling at Joe's answer. I'm going to enjoy this one while it lasts.

My fingers are crossed that he'll answer your question. Unfortunately, even if he does answer, it will probably be vague. Vague and subtle is the way of this pairing.

[girlgater]

It does appear that this relationship is primarily based on hungry looks, kisses in alternate realities and everything else that can be considered gray. Perhaps in S9 we'll get something definitive!!

[elhSG1]

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I think it's pretty obvious that they are together, I do not believe TPTB would have wasted a good part of an episode just for them to break it off with their significant others and have nothing happen between them. To me that would have been a waste of an episode and I don't think they would do that. So, I believe that their relationship will be addressed in season 9, who knows maybe Jack will say something in the first episode that leads everyone to believe they are together. I also speculate that RDA will be in more than 2 episodes, I don't think they would have him in just the beginning of the season if he's doing more than 1 episode. Hey and they finally went fishing, yay!

[Shipperahoy]

Spoiler:

I think it's pretty obvious that they are together, I do not believe TPTB would have wasted a good part of an episode just for them to break it off with their significant others and have nothing happen between them. To me that would have been a waste of an episode and I don't think they would do that. So, I believe that their relationship will be addressed in season 9, who knows maybe Jack will say something in the first episode that leads everyone to believe they are together. I also speculate that RDA will be in more than 2 episodes, I don't think they would have him in just the beginning of the season if he's doing more than 1 episode. Hey and they finally went fishing, yay!

Some season 8 spoilers and Season 9 speculation

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It's not that I don't think that they'll be together in some shape or form, it's that I'm not particularly happy with the tip toe, riding the fence, can't make up our minds way that they seem to be doing it. I really enjoyed Threads. I was thrilled with it. Sam finally got rid of Pete (I did feel kind of sorry for him though) and Jack realized that his feeling for Sam would get in the way of other relationships and there was the great infirmary scene moment. But I viewed it as more of a prequel for bigger and better things. That's why I was so disapointed with Moebius. Now that RDA has signed on to do at least a couple of eps for next season that puts my mind a little more at ease but I still worry that everything will happen entirely off screen and that's not what I've been waiting 8 years for. Like I've said before, I don't need some huge romantic episode, I don't need a bedroom scene, I don't need to see them get married and have kids. I just want to see the situation addressed in a clear and adult manner that leaves no room for interpretation. Either they're together or they're not. I don't want to have to wonder about it.

[SNY]

Some season 8 spoilers and Season 9 speculation

Spoiler:

It's not that I don't think that they'll be together in some shape or form, it's that I'm not particularly happy with the tip toe, riding the fence, can't make up our minds way that they seem to be doing it. I really enjoyed Threads. I was thrilled with it. Sam finally got rid of Pete (I did feel kind of sorry for him though) and Jack realized that his feeling for Sam would get in the way of other relationships and there was the great infirmary scene moment. But I viewed it as more of a prequel for bigger and better things. That's why I was so disapointed with Moebius. Now that RDA has signed on to do at least a couple of eps for next season that puts my mind a little more at ease but I still worry that everything will happen entirely off screen and that's not what I've been waiting 8 years for. Like I've said before, I don't need some huge romantic episode, I don't need a bedroom scene, I don't need to see them get married and have kids. I just want to see the situation addressed in a clear and adult manner that leaves no room for interpretation. Either they're together or they're not. I don't want to have to wonder about it.

Spoilers:

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Reading some spoilers from season 9 I think It's going to be difficult to see a shippy scene at the beginning of season 9. Maybe some nice coment from some character like Daniel , teal'c or even O'Neill that it could give us something.

We are going to have more possibilities when Carter returns and maybe at the end of the season have a real scene between them.

But I'm sure that we are going to have to continue waiting in order to have some resolution

SNY

[majorsal]

I know how you feel! It is the endless plight of a Shipper to always have HOPE! Life without hope is ....well...hopeless. Here's to Sam and Jack in Season 9.

Spoiler:

Remember when we kept waiting for the "ideal" dream sequence that was supposedly filmed with RDA? But hope springs eternal! And all those other cliches!

That's something that I've meant to bring up, but keep forgetting.

spoilers for s8's gemini

Spoiler:

Could the dream sequence Amanda was talking about be in Gemini, when RepCarter was trying not to kill fake-Jack when she was showing our Sam the hell she'd went through?

Sally

[auralan]

That's something that I've meant to bring up, but keep forgetting.

spoilers for s8's gemini

Spoiler:

Could the dream sequence Amanda was talking about be in Gemini, when RepCarter was trying not to kill fake-Jack when she was showing our Sam the hell she'd went through?

Sally

Season 8 through Gemini spoilers:

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I suppose it could, but there's nothing particularly idyllic about that scene. I'm beginning to think those who speculated that quote from Amanda was actually two separate and unrelated statements put together were right. That or something got cut, which seems unlikely since there were few enough RDA scenes to start. *shrugs* Unless somebody asks her at a convention, I doubt we'll ever know.

[girlgater]

Ok. After watching M2 last night, I have a question...

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When Jack carried off the ZPM and told Sam that she had packing to do, What Packing?

If this question has already been discussed and answered, overlook me. I must have missed it.

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I'd like to think they were heading off somewhere together--perhaps to D.C., or his place--the cabin for an overnight/weekend stay?

Thanks in advance for possible answers!

[Shipperahoy]

Ok. After watching M2 last night, I have a question...

Spoiler:

When Jack carried off the ZPM and told Sam that she had packing to do, What Packing?

If this question has already been discussed and answered, overlook me. I must have missed it.

Spoiler:

I'd like to think they were heading off somewhere together--perhaps to D.C., or his place--the cabin for an overnight/weekend stay?

Thanks in advance for possible answers!

We've been discussing and speculating on that ever since it aired in the UK. It seems to have been left purposefully vague, a fact that bugs me to no end.

Spoiler:

Some people think he was just referring to the fishing trip that the whole team was on at the end of the episode and some people choose to think that they're going off together or moving in together. Sadly, I think it was the former. Though I really wish it wasn't.

[ForeverSg1]

I'm not really sure where the writers are going to take the Sam and Jack relationship in season nine. From what I have seen in the past four-five episodes, I can definitely see a change in their relationship. It's a new comfort level.

Spoiler:

They have suddenly gone from a high school crush relationship to nearly one of a couple who have been together for eight years.

In Threads we got the infirmary scene together and as much as I loved hearing Jack saying 'Always' the part that stands out in my mind was seeing Jack's arm around Sam's shoulder, Sam's clutching Jack's hand in her own with that gentle caress of her thumb over the top of his hand. I know some people were disappointed they didn't see a kiss, but that caress was much more intimitate that anything we have really seen between them thus far. It was their first mutual, open show of affection, without a virus or loop that we have been given: and in my mind it said it all.

In Moebius I, the writers purposely gave us a tiny subtle moment with their hands gently touching during the briefing room scene. I loved how Sam spoke to Jack in Egypt. There was a new found comfort level between them. They allowed Sam to still be in charge of SG-1, giving orders and reminding all three guys what their mission was, but still allowed Sam to tease Jack a bit. There was still respect, but there wasn't any of the awkward, uncomfortable tension between them anymore.

I know a lot of people felt as if Sam has spent the past two years pinning over Jack, but I loved how different Jack's body language, gestures and tone of voice towards Sam changed by the end of MII. It was soft and affectionate in an almost sing song manner, both when he told her she had packing to do, as well as at the lake when he told her they shouldn't dwell at not having done it earlier.

RDA has said in past interviews that at the end of the series, he always pictured Jack O'Neill retiring and his cabin and fishing with Sam. AT has always said that she knows Carter loves O'Neill. JM stated recently in his thread that the relationshp between Sam and Jack has been part of the storyline well before Divide and Conquer. This is a relationship that wasn't just made up by a select group of individuals who wanted to see 'ship' between Sam and Jack. This is something that the writers and actors have spent eight years building up. We knew there couldn't be anything substantial between them until one or both retired or moved into a new position. Season nine is Sam and Jack's year.

We know Sam and Jack are not good at discussing their feelings. Jack's marriage to Sara ended because he wasn't capable of openly expressing his feelings. We saw that in 'Cold Lazarus'. I don't think we will ever see this big scene with both of them confessing their undying love for one another. We basically got that already in D&C, and through snippets over the past four years.

Now, will we get the big steamy love scene? Doubt it. But to be honest, I was disappointed with that scene in Chimera, not because it was with Pete, but because I just didn't see Sam behaving like herself. If we do see Sam and Jack into a relationship in season nine, I don't want it to be written like a soap opera. Subtle is good. I'd much rather see pictures of Jack in her office throughout the year, an occassional phone call, or if we are really lucky seeing them wake up together like we did with Jack and Kerry. Hot and heavy is great for fanfic, but it's really not something I want to watch on Stargate.

I love the Sam/Jack shippy moments just like everyone else, but I'm already losing one of my favorite characters from the show. I'm not a shipper. I'm a Sam and Jack shipper. I can't -- wont just turn off the show when it becomes boring and move on to my next ship. It's not the relationship I love so much, it's the characters themselves. I don't want them to continue to write Sam the way they have been doing over the past two years. I want to see her strong, independent, and in charge again. I'm not sure I'm willing to give up that in order for her to be with Jack. I just hope the writers are capable of giving us both without one storyline or the other suffering.

By the way, I'm so happy you started this thread.

Spoiler:

I want to believe that this is only the beginning for Sam and Jack. In my heart, they have committed themselves heart and soul to one another already. With a little luck, we'll finally get to see them happy with each other onscreen. A kiss would be wonderful... a wedding ring even better

...but I won't hold my breath for either.

ForeverSG1

[UhSir]

...snips..

Spoiler:

They have suddenly gone from a high school crush relationship to nearly one of a couple who have been together for eight years.

...more snips...

Now, will we get the big steamy love scene? Doubt it. But to be honest, I was disappointed with that scene in Chimera, not because it was with Pete, but because I just didn't see Sam behaving like herself. If we do see Sam and Jack into a relationship in season nine, I don't want it to be written like a soap opera. Subtle is good. I'd much rather see pictures of Jack in her office throughout the year, an occassional phone call, or if we are really lucky seeing them wake up together like we did with Jack and Kerry. Hot and heavy is great for fanfic, but it's really not something I want to watch on Stargate.

...more snips...

Wow! Your message obviously comes from your heart. And I kept saying, Yep, to everything.

I love the way they have developed the relationship through the years. They have been through ups/downs, ons/offs, bonding/heartbreak just like real-life and unlike a soap-opera.

Chimera

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That Sam/Pete wrestling match was very awkward. My husband, who is a bigger Sam/Jack shipper than me, felt sorry for Pete there. "Poor guy didn't realize he opened a floodgate, did he? Sam has a lot of pent-up frustration over Jack but that kid can't help her. He's a trooper for trying though." Yes, I punched him in the shoulder for that.

I don't want that kind of scene with Jack and Sam. It just doesn't fit either of them.

I like what is happening with Jack and Sam and I look forward to season 9.

[auralan]

Chimera

Spoiler:

That Sam/Pete wrestling match was very awkward. My husband, who is a bigger Sam/Jack shipper than me, felt sorry for Pete there. "Poor guy didn't realize he opened a floodgate, did he? Sam has a lot of pent-up frustration over Jack but that kid can't help her. He's a trooper for trying though." Yes, I punched him in the shoulder for that.

I don't want that kind of scene with Jack and Sam. It just doesn't fit either of them.

Season 9 speculation:

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I agree, that kind of scene isn't what I want to see, either. It brings up an interesting question, though: What kind of scene would you like to see in season 9 between Sam and Jack to confirm that the UST has become RST?

Personally, at this point, I'm not picky. Anything concrete would do. If it included an honest to goodness kiss they both get to remember, I'd be doing an embarrassing happy dance in my living room.

[parsifal]

Season 9 speculation:

Spoiler:

I agree, that kind of scene isn't what I want to see, either. It brings up an interesting question, though: What kind of scene would you like to see in season 9 between Sam and Jack to confirm that the UST has become RST?

Personally, at this point, I'm not picky. Anything concrete would do. If it included an honest to goodness kiss they both get to remember, I'd be doing an embarrassing happy dance in my living room.

I don't think these thoughts count as spoilers, but I'll put them in tags anyway. S9

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I personally wouldn't turn down HWMS, marriage or a baby, but I hold out no hope of seeing them. Even though we deserve something monumental after what we've endured.

What I think we could should see is something with absolutely zero room for alternative explanations. The scene should demonstrate that Sam and Jack are in a fully-committed relationship and that they're comfortable with it. The time for awkwardness has long since passed. A playful, early-morning domestic scene could work. Preferrably still in pajamas (opportunity for comedy there: maybe Sam in a Simpsons top). It should be clear that it's a regular occurance (I'd say living together, but I don't know if that will be possible now that they banished Jack to D.C.). In terms of affection, I'd like to see a few things, none of them outrageous. Maybe a quick peck to start; some dialogue while Jack is standing with his arms around Sam; then a kiss equal to the passion of the "Grace" one, but longer. Close the exchange with some kind of funny comment (preferrably from Sam).

I'd also like to see the relationship acknowledged in public. This could be S&J holding hands or just a verbal comment from say, Daniel, maybe one that you'd expect to embarrass Sam, but just provokes pride and amusement. Sam could even respond with a comment that embarrasses Daniel (i.e., TMI). Regardless, I want it clear that Sam's not looking to downplay it.

Having written all this out, I realize we're probably not going to get 1% of it. It was nice to think about, though.

[SNY]

Season 9 speculation:

Spoiler:

I agree, that kind of scene isn't what I want to see, either. It brings up an interesting question, though: What kind of scene would you like to see in season 9 between Sam and Jack to confirm that the UST has become RST?

Personally, at this point, I'm not picky. Anything concrete would do. If it included an honest to goodness kiss they both get to remember, I'd be doing an embarrassing happy dance in my living room.

Speculation:

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I would be happy with a kiss and a hug. But I want something! I don't want speculations, I want the truth... And I think We will get something at the beginning, like nice phone call, a a shippy dialogue ...

SNY