Sam Carter/Jack O'Neill Ship Discussion Thread

[pittsburghgirl]

well as far as the casting of a "babyface" for the role of Pete-it was my understanding that

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they were down to their last nerve, as it were-and cast him because he was available

-no i could be wrong-and most of the time I am-so if someone knows different...

It is my humble opinion that Pete was to have been a one hit wonder-but because of the uproar

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which i think they took personally-they decided to rub it in

but as i said, it is my two cents worth-so i take full responsibility for it.

[UhSir]

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...snips...

I'd also like to see the relationship acknowledged in public. This could be S&J holding hands or just a verbal comment from say, Daniel, maybe one that you'd expect to embarrass Sam, but just provokes pride and amusement. Sam could even respond with a comment that embarrasses Daniel (i.e., TMI). Regardless, I want it clear that Sam's not looking to downplay it.

Having written all this out, I realize we're probably not going to get 1% of it. It was nice to think about, though.

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Yes, let's embarrass Daniel. How about Jack has a sprained, I dunno, wrist? Daniel asks how it happened. Sam and Jack look at each other with devilish grins and start bantering, each adding little tidbits, as a whole we get the impression of a scene similar to the Sam/Pete wrestling, er, bedroom scene. Jack: "I fell off the bed." Sam: "I did try to catch you." Jack: "Yes, bad idea." Sam: "I tried to make it up to you." Jack: "Yes, you did." Daniel raises his hands and cries, "Stop! Spare me any more details." Sam giggles. Daniel looks suspicious and asks, "Okay, what really happened?" Jack starts, "Like we were saying, I slipped off..." Daniel cries out, "Nevermind! I have, uh, papers to file... Gotta go."

Not sure that needed spoiler tags.

[SNY]

I would be happy with a photo of O'Neill in Carter's lab or both of them at the cabin...

SNY

[meimei]

Another *excellent* point I with which I whole-heartedly agree! If he had been a one-ep wonder, like Orlin, I could've lived with that, even as lousy as that ep was.

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And with that background check stuff, they had a nice logical reason for Sam to get rid of him. Without killing him. And wasn't that the point of his existence? For her to have a fling with a guy who didn't die? I still don't get that either.... I mean, so she was cursed. Big flippin' deal! We all know True Love is gaurenteed to break any curse the universe can fling at a person!!

But I still think I might have been more forgiving if she'd pounced on someone actually pounce-worthy... Like Major Yummy!

er....

Davis... Major Davis... <sigh>

I digress... so I'll let you get back to the serious discusion.... Umm... What were we talking about?

I really think that if they needed to put Sam in a relationship with someone not Jack, that they should have gone with the good NID agent... Blasted gray matter has the name blocked. There was some chemistry between them (loved the laying on top of her after the house exploded scene!), he knew about the program, a long distance relationship, short term view of "normal" but not Jack.

Okay, now this is going to bother me... Someone please give me his name!!

I never saw any chemistry between Davis and Sam. I really think that he knew how Sam felt about Jack. He was around for several missions, not to mention, being so close to the program, I often wondered if the Zatrac incident wouldn't have been in a report he could have read at some point. Ooops, me going off on wild speculation that only a fanfic author could understand! LOL!

I just didn't see that pairing.

But the NID guy would have made sense to me but they would have still had to keep it down to a one ep wonder and not drug out the storyline to ridiculous proportions.

[dipsofjazz]

Agent Barrett, MM. I agree that there was a lot more chemistry between them, plus he is part of the Stargate world.

[parsifal]

Okay, now this is going to bother me... Someone please give me his name!!

Barrett.

While there might have been interest on his end, I never saw anything from Sam. Just another guy, essentially a stranger, with a crush on her.

[Gatetrixer]

Someone here said but don't remember who--what if we see Jack in his office and we see a photo of Sam there.? Gee I'm so starved for anything I'd even take that.Probably kiss the TV. But I'd don't think we'll see his office in DC. Joe Mallozzi said (saw it on another website tho maybe he said it on his thread which I haven't been to) that

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Sam who not only be away but "far far away," which sounds like another planet.

[meimei]

*sigh* Of course, Barrett... Thank you...

Well, I thought I saw the interest on Sam's part when she told him that she was seeing someone. Kind of a enlightening moment of "oh, wow". As if the thought hadn't crossed her mind but now that it had...

But it would have been preferable to her and Pete. Of course, I had heard that Ben Browder was offered the part of Pete but turned it down. Hot and sexy boyfriend would have made more sense for a woman that had denied herself any kind of relationship, much less a physical one, for as long as she had.

[SG1Poz]

Well, I'm with you all. All I want is...

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A Great Big Honkin' Kiss!

We've been through everything else, and it's all been hinted at. Now I need to see it!

Yes but for me to be satisfied it must be not only a

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Big Honkin Kiss but romantic, like the one Sam envisioned in Grace. The AU kiss in Moebius 2 was just....silly, goofy, comical IMHO.

Give us something real, sensual and romantic in the true sense of the word. Ah, Please?



Poz
Who's finally back online after puter crashed

[majorsal]

I completely agree that Sam feel in love with the "idea" of a normal life rather than Pete. I thought Pete was a nice normal guy (a little immature for Sam) s

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right up until he walks out on her the morning after and does a background check in front of her house!!! We all know the twisted story. He then follows her to Daniel's house. He knows a stakeout when he see ones. I thought the writers did a horrible job portraying Pete.

For me it was somewhat believable in the begining, but it went south very quickly!

In my opinion if the writers had chosen a guy that was smart, funny, intelligent, more mature, and good looking then there would have been more angst and a much better story. The angst between her and Jack would be great. It would force the two to address issues left in the room. However, they didn't do that and Jack was never worried about Pete, because he couldn't hold a candle to Jack. The writers missed out on a great build up and tried to sale a story very few believed.

I'm of two minds about this.

spoilers for s7's grace and chimera, and s8's threads

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i've talked about this with another shipper in detail, and we both came to the conclusion that having a 'hunk' play pete might have made it all worse. let's say that pete was played by paul gross (from due south - http://www.galleryofcelebrities.com/gross.htm ). i could have understood sam turning the other cheek at the end of chimera. man, ddl is not a dog!, but he's just not dreamy and hot like jack is for me (or for some, paul gross too).

let's say, for the sake of this discussion, that sam met a paul (gave him another name) shanahan at her gym. he was just another member of that gym, and the two of them had met before grace came along. but after grace, sam's looking for companionship, so she takes paul up on his offer of a date. like with chimera, sam's totally into giving this side of her life a try. what paul does for a living is unimportant, as is sam's career is to paul. they just go out and enjoy each others company. so for the last half of season 7 and almost all of season 8, sam's dating paul. it's easy-going, non threatening, and the ONLY reason sam starts getting uncomfortable with him is that he wants to make things more serious. and the getting serious happens when threads takes place. instead of sam fretting on an upcoming marriage, it could have been that paul wanted to move in with sam. sam calls off the relationship because her dad's dying, jack's got a girlfriend, and sam knows she's really in love with jack. how much more 'gentle' this would have been on sam's character if pete would have been played/written like paul???

but to get back to why pete being a hunk might have made it worse is that 'then' we might have seen the real passion there instead of the tame stuff. okay, to be fair, some fans didn't find the sam/pete stuff tame or boring, but for me, i just couldn't get into pete because i wasn't attracted to pete/ddl. but would i have gotten into pete more (written the same way) if paul gross had played him? honestly, yes, i think i would have. and then that would have given me *major* conflicted feelings!

Sally

[BrenRen]

I really think that if they needed to put Sam in a relationship with someone not Jack, that they should have gone with the good NID agent... Blasted gray matter has the name blocked. There was some chemistry between them (loved the laying on top of her after the house exploded scene!), he knew about the program, a long distance relationship, short term view of "normal" but not Jack.

Okay, now this is going to bother me... Someone please give me his name!!

I never saw any chemistry between Davis and Sam. I really think that he knew how Sam felt about Jack. He was around for several missions, not to mention, being so close to the program, I often wondered if the Zatrac incident wouldn't have been in a report he could have read at some point. Ooops, me going off on wild speculation that only a fanfic author could understand! LOL!

I just didn't see that pairing.

But the NID guy would have made sense to me but they would have still had to keep it down to a one ep wonder and not drug out the storyline to ridiculous proportions.

Well, I have to agree, I think she definitely had more chemestry with Agent Barrett... I wasn't suggesting they should have paired her with Davis... Only someone more attractive, like Major Yummy! Cos whether or not he has chemestry with Sam, he's still a tasty dish!

I'd have said Barrett earlier if he'd crossed my mind, but I never cared for him much at all. Still, I'd rather have seen *him* hook up with her than the Spudly Duckling!

[ShimmeringStar]

I never saw any chemistry between Davis and Sam. I really think that he knew how Sam felt about Jack. He was around for several missions, not to mention, being so close to the program, I often wondered if the Zatrac incident wouldn't have been in a report he could have read at some point. Ooops, me going off on wild speculation that only a fanfic author could understand! LOL!

That's a good point though MM. (And could lead to some interesting fanfic for sure!)There had to be several people reading those reports. And given everything that happened in the first 3/4 of S4, it would be hard to believe that *none* of the things that happened never made it into a report....

Sam and Jack would seem to have the most well-known secret ship ever. I'm sure for those with access to the reports, especially after S4, they were waiting with baited breath, wondering what development in the ship they were going to read about next... And given that we're all only human... y'can't tell me the military rumor mill didn't spread Sam and Jack's 'little secret' far and wide....

[majorsal]

well as far as the casting of a "babyface" for the role of Pete-it was my understanding that

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they were down to their last nerve, as it were-and cast him because he was available

-no i could be wrong-and most of the time I am-so if someone knows different...

that sounds familiar, but i can't be totally sure. i know they'd asked ben browder (hunk or not, i would have HATED him being pete because he looks too much like daniel!), but he turned it down. i don't know who else they asked. btw, i really like ddl being labled as 'baby-faced', because it's true and it's a nice description. i've always been more attracted to handsome over baby-faced, though. well, maybe not 'always', because i remember liking really cute and baby-faced guys when i was really young.

It is my humble opinion that Pete was to have been a one hit wonder-but because of the uproar

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which i think they took personally-they decided to rub it in

Who knows.



Sally

[meimei]

That's a good point though MM. (And could lead to some interesting fanfic for sure!)There had to be several people reading those reports. And given everything that happened in the first 3/4 of S4, it would be hard to believe that *none* of the things that happened never made it into a report....

Sam and Jack would seem to have the most well-known secret ship ever. I'm sure for those with access to the reports, especially after S4, they were waiting with baited breath, wondering what development in the ship they were going to read about next... And given that we're all only human... y'can't tell me the military rumor mill didn't spread Sam and Jack's 'little secret' far and wide....

Considering that Kinsey tried to make a point of it in Inaguration, I'm sure that some of the ship made it into reports. You have to love Hayes' answer that they are allowed their feelings! So I would imagine that it is out there somewhere. You might have to read between the lines a bit, but probably not much. As to who would have access to those reports, well, Davis as liason to the SGC for the Pentagon would be a prime candidate.

And, Bren-ren, I know you weren't necessarily suggesting Davis but I have heard speculation about him in that light before. As well as Barrett.

[Rogue]

I really think that if they needed to put Sam in a relationship with someone not Jack, that they should have gone with the good NID agent... Blasted gray matter has the name blocked. There was some chemistry between them (loved the laying on top of her after the house exploded scene!), he knew about the program, a long distance relationship, short term view of "normal" but not Jack.

Okay, now this is going to bother me... Someone please give me his name!!

I never saw any chemistry between Davis and Sam. I really think that he knew how Sam felt about Jack. He was around for several missions, not to mention, being so close to the program, I often wondered if the Zatrac incident wouldn't have been in a report he could have read at some point. Ooops, me going off on wild speculation that only a fanfic author could understand! LOL!

I just didn't see that pairing.

But the NID guy would have made sense to me but they would have still had to keep it down to a one ep wonder and not drug out the storyline to ridiculous proportions.

Yeah, I thought they were going to pair her off with Agent Barrett too. I think it would have been a better match and more of a threat to Jack. It rubbed me the wrong way that they would give Sam

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such a lame bf and give Jack this great gal.

[Rogue]

well as far as the casting of a "babyface" for the role of Pete-it was my understanding that

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they were down to their last nerve, as it were-and cast him because he was available

-no i could be wrong-and most of the time I am-so if someone knows different...

It is my humble opinion that Pete was to have been a one hit wonder-but because of the uproar

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which i think they took personally-they decided to rub it in

but as i said, it is my two cents worth-so i take full responsibility for it.

Hollywood is filled with good looking guys who can act just as good as DDL. They didn't have a problem finding a

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good looking gal for Jack

. I personally don't think they tried very hard. Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking DDL, it is just I don't think he was a good match or believable boyfriend for Sam.

[pittsburghgirl]

Hollywood is filled with good looking guys who can act just as good as DDL. They didn't have a problem finding a

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good looking gal for Jack

. I personally don't think they tried very hard. Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking DDL, it is just I don't think he was a good match or believable boyfriend for Sam.

my guess on that Rogue

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they didn't want to be hated. the gal who played kerry was supposed to be a one-hit wonder that was to talk sense into Jack. She was not well known-after Coach-what has she done? Anybody with 1/4 of a brain knows that anyone stepping in between jack and sam was a redshirt-and mud

[Token]

my guess on that Rogue

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they didn't want to be hated. the gal who played kerry was supposed to be a one-hit wonder that was to talk sense into Jack. She was not well known-after Coach-what has she done? Anybody with 1/4 of a brain knows that anyone stepping in between jack and sam was a redshirt-and mud

I have to agree. IMO, the PTB were too close to this storyline to understand the "waves" that would be rippling through Stargate fandom. The Stargate fandom may not be very large, but there is money in conventions and merchandising. IMO, I can see Clare Carey being invited to a convention, sitting on a panel, and talking about her

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"bedroom" scene with RDA.

Men would just watch Clare speak, and women would be imagining themselves in her place. However, I don't think DDL would ever be invited to a convention. His character was too divisive. Can you imagine the type of questions he would be asked? I can't think of another character on Stargate that wouldn't be of interest at a convention. Even Ronny Cox, as hated as Kinsey is, would be interesting to hear on a panel as would be Tom McBeath.

[ShimmeringStar]

At last! A good threat about their relationship!

Let begins this thread with this question:

What do you think is going to happen between them in season 9?

SNY

As for what I think (as opposed to what I would want/desire) to happen

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I can honestly see no ship being written. If it does, it would be just cursory mentions, especially given no AT for at least the 1st 5 shows (the ones RDA is filming spots for right now) and the fact he may/may not put in a guest appearance later . TPTB (JM & others) seem to think that they pretty much resolved everything to do with S/J ship with Threads and the end of M2. Their focus is on Atlantis and on getting Stargate: The Next Team off the ground. The old characters are only useful to them now in so far as it promotes the new focuses of the show and keeps some of us watching (in hopes that we’ll like the new SG1 and will keep watching). I mean look at S4… Ship everywhere for the first ¾ of the season, then next to nothing for the next 3 years… and that was with all of the actors available and in the show.

What would I want/desire? Same as I did for Season 8.

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At the barest minimum, a bit of completely unambiguous dialogue that left *no* room for interpretation concerning where they relationship was and would be going. Even just one minute of clear concise dialogue. If allowed more -- a touch or two would be nice, to show that S & J were finally comfortable showing what they felt for each other openly in front of others. And if really allowed more… a non-AU kiss along the lines of the Grace kiss… I’m not looking for a wedding, marriage, and kids or HWMS. Heck, I’d even give up wanting to know what went on in that adult convo that may/may not have taken place. I just want to know that after 8 years of unrealistically dragging a ship out the TPTB are actually allowing them to have a relationship that isn’t open to misinterpretation. (And yes... my opinion is that both Threads and M2 still left things wide open to interpretation....)

[meimei]

Extremely simple inexpensive way of showing the ship firmly resolved and RDA wouldn't even be necessary for the scene.

Sam (on phone): I love you, too. Bye. (hangs up and turns to Daniel and Teal'c) Jack says hi.

Done... Finito... Over. Take maybe 15 seconds of a scene and leave absolutely no doubt as to the "adult convo" taking place. It would have had to in order to get to that level of intimacy even on the phone.