The Defiant One (112)

[GateWorld]

DISCUSS ... THE DEFIANT ONE EPISODE NUMBER - 112 Sheppard's team investigates a downed Wraith ship, and find themselves stuck on a planet with a lone Wraith survivor. Visit the Episode Guide >>

[Gothann]

Since I can't start any new threads in the episode discussion section, this should be fused into the official thread. I will warn for SPOILERS here and now, since this is a temporary thread for the episode.

DO NOT READ ON IF YOU DON'T WANT SPOILERS.

I just saw it and LOVED it.

From what I could see, we've seen two new pieces of Wraith technology: A Cargo ship and a Wraith Grenade.

From what I can see the grenade has massive radius, with blast noise that can be heard for several hundreds of meters, with a lot of impact noise.
Also, there was a LOT of development on the Wraith: we now know that if a Wraith has fed recently, they can regenerate much faster and much more damage.

What with the wraith having fed upon two men, he was able to take well over 20 P90 rounds, three full clips from a handgun and a Wraith Grenade, nearly in his face, yet KEPT ON GOING.

I believe that this is why the Ancients had a hard time during the war: the wraith are incredibly resiliant when they feed appropriately. Making their bodies nearly impossible to kill without having them vaporized.

[MartoufMarty]

First I went, "Hey! It's Nyan!"

I was surprised to see those glowy enegry beings that first appeared in the episode Prodigy. Those things are cool. Maybe we'll get to know more about them!

Loved the Wraith (Greg as my mom was calling him lol). He was cool! Just about as cool as Steve!

I feel sorry for McKay. He had to see the guy... well, kill himself.

Loved how McKay and John were kind of pissed off at each other for a little while there, and then how McKay was all impaitent...

Wasn't much Teyla, Ford, or Elizabeth but hey, who needs them when we got John, McKay, and Greg??

[Gothann]

I found McKay's bravery quite interesting, showing that he's not just a wuss who's smart, he can dish out some kind of damage (TWO clips into that Wraith, pretty cool)

I also feel sorry for Sheppard. He got shot in the arm, he got beat on, he almost got blown up...

He needs a break...

[Skydiver]

Have fun you wild and wacky canadians...and thanks MF

[MartoufMarty]

Originally Posted by Gothann

I found McKay's bravery quite interesting, showing that he's not just a wuss who's smart, he can dish out some kind of damage (TWO clips into that Wraith, pretty cool)

I also feel sorry for Sheppard. He got shot in the arm, he got beat on, he almost got blown up...

He needs a break...

That's why McKay was gonna fly home

[MartoufMarty]

Hey, do you think you could just merge the 'The Defiant One (112) (Spoilers)' thread with this one? Me and Gothann were having a little talk about the episode already.

[Gothann]

Originally Posted by MartoufMarty

Hey, do you think you could just merge the 'The Defiant One (112) (Spoilers)' thread with this one? Me and Gothann were having a little talk about the episode already.

Yes, it would be good to have it incorporated.
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=5938
That's the link.

As for continuation... McKay seemed to have liked flying the PJ, just that... he doesn't know how to pilot squat. He needs a LOT of practice. Either that, or he was just playing around.

[Gothann]

No need for that now...

Oh, I also noticed something, if anyone read the "Annals of the Curator" on SciFi's site, it talks about how Wraith warriors that were injured were fed upon by the other Wraith.

I guess that small side-story has some canon to it, what with the Wraith warrior being cannibalized by "Greg" (I think that may become his unofficial name now)

[queenselqet31]

Wasn't much of Ford, but ARMS OMG. *dies*

[corey2002]

was i the only 1 surprised at the length of time (long for such an obvious thing-in my opinion)it took shepard to figur out that that wraith thing was a grenade?

[Gothann]

Ooh, forgot to mention something else before I go AFK.

In the showdown between Sheppard and "Greg", "Greg" learned how to use a handgun REALLY quickly... Could it be that the Wraith have advanced analysis abilities? Because, it seems to me that no wraith or ancient weapon has a finger-operated trigger. Not to mention how "Greg" had killer aim in a fast-paced skirmish.

[corey2002]

Originally Posted by Gothann

Since I can't start any new threads in the episode discussion section, this should be fused into the official thread. I will warn for SPOILERS here and now, since this is a temporary thread for the episode.

DO NOT READ ON IF YOU DON'T WANT SPOILERS.

I just saw it and LOVED it.

From what I could see, we've seen two new pieces of Wraith technology: A Cargo ship and a Wraith Grenade.

From what I can see the grenade has massive radius, with blast noise that can be heard for several hundreds of meters, with a lot of impact noise.
Also, there was a LOT of development on the Wraith: we now know that if a Wraith has fed recently, they can regenerate much faster and much more damage.

What with the wraith having fed upon two men, he was able to take well over 20 P90 rounds, three full clips from a handgun and a Wraith Grenade, nearly in his face, yet KEPT ON GOING.

I believe that this is why the Ancients had a hard time during the war: the wraith are incredibly resiliant when they feed appropriately. Making their bodies nearly impossible to kill without having them vaporized.

the thing about feeding recently is a "THEORY"-not fact

[Gothann]

Originally Posted by corey2002

the thing about feeding recently is a "THEORY"-not fact

Even so, it's consistent with what was seen in other instances. Tough Wraith warriors were taken down by less than twenty P90 bullets, yet this one was able to regenerate after having been showered with bullets.

The main thing: Steve, the Wraith warriors, and the Wraith keeper, they all seemed to have fed a very long time ago, or took way too much bodily damage to heal (in the Keeper's case, a metal rod through the gut)

McKay might be right, especially since "Greg" took the life of two men before engaging Sheppard in battle.

[MartoufMarty]

Originally Posted by Gothann

Ooh, forgot to mention something else before I go AFK.

In the showdown between Sheppard and "Greg", "Greg" learned how to use a handgun REALLY quickly... Could it be that the Wraith have advanced analysis abilities? Because, it seems to me that no wraith or ancient weapon has a finger-operated trigger. Not to mention how "Greg" had killer aim in a fast-paced skirmish.

I think a gun is pretty simple. You got a little place to put your figure, you aim and pull. Maybe we missed a part where Greg accidently shot himself.

[Chlex]

Oooh! Recycling the glowing bugs from Prodigy? Not smooth. Kinda like reusing ex-SG1 characters, only people actually remember them… but that really was a tiny issue when you think about how fabulous this episode was. Again, Sheppard was the one-man-army. I loved how he was rolling around in dirt and getting shot at... the scene reminded me of a desert war movie or something.

Great to see some character development for McKay… I like that they’re not rushing into anything with him. He’s still such an arrogant geek, I don’t want him to lose that. Did you see those sparks fly between McKay and Sheppard on the Wraith ship? Er… completely heterosexual sparks of course. Those two just have a great dynamic.

So Ford was in the episode for about thirty seconds. Weir came in close second with twenty five, and Teyla… I believe she had a line in there somewhere. I missed them in this ep, where’s the team? The two sacrificial scientists were necessary to the plot, but they just weren’t as interesting. That Wraith was damn scary though. Interesting that they're harder to kill after they’ve just eaten…

Anyway, this episode definitely had an amazing ‘look’ to it. I didn’t notice any obvious plot holes (not that I was looking hard) and they had a really great mix of suspense/humor in the script… I just really enjoyed every minute.

[MartoufMarty]

Originally Posted by queenselqet31

Wasn't much of Ford, but ARMS OMG. *dies*

Oh yeah, go for the arms. It's all about the arms with you isn't it?

What about Greg! THINK OF GREG DAMNIT!

[corey2002]

Originally Posted by MartoufMarty

Oh yeah, go for the arms. It's all about the arms with you isn't it?

What about Greg! THINK OF GREG DAMNIT!

what was the guys real(character) name(the guy that killed himself)

[MartoufMarty]

Originally Posted by Chlex

Oooh! Recycling the glowing bugs from Prodigy? Not smooth. Kinda like reusing ex-SG1 characters, only people actually remember them…

They aren't recycling them... Really.

It's not like they're completely different. We get to find out more about them. Seems like they just weren't on that moon. They're in the Pegasus galaxy too so they must have some sort of significance... I hope.

They're cool anyways, so don't diss them

Now I noticed Nyan right off the bat lol. Seems like he's a little chubbier than we last saw him.

I have a theory. Nyan (after he came to Earth), changed his name and lived among the people for a few years, discovered his nack for science, sneaked aboard the Atlantis expedition, and POOF! There he is getting motion sickness and getting the life sucked out of him and such...

[MartoufMarty]

Originally Posted by corey2002

what was the guys real(character) name(the guy that killed himself)

... Very-Pissed-Off-10,000-Year-Old-Cannibal-Wraith-That-Just-Can't-Get-A-Break-And-Probably-Now-Doesn't-Like-Energy-Bars I'm guessing.

Never gave him a name.

My mom gave him the name Greg lol. Gotta love my mom lol.

Edit: Ah! You were talking about Nyan! Richard Cox.

You replied to my comment about Greg so I assumed that were talking about him...