Progeny (305)

GateWorld · #1 July 14th, 2006, 04:53 PM

ATLANTIS SEASON THREE
PROGENY
EPISODE NUMBER - 305

Weir and the team visit an advanced civilization that split off from the Lanteans thousands of years ago, but discover that they may not have left Atlantis in peace.

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NowIWillDestroyAbydos · #2 August 11th, 2006, 10:04 PM

Great ep. I'm happy we saw the human form Replicators again. I can wait for "The Return" in a few weeks.

Dromag67 · #3 August 11th, 2006, 10:04 PM

One Word:

Amazing.

Breathtaking CGI.

Awesome City ship.

Awesome new enemy.

siXbrownSnakes2 · #4 August 11th, 2006, 10:04 PM

Honestly one of the best Atlantis episodes to date. Sateda and now this! S3 sounds great. The last scene with Niam floating in space really set the tone for the episode as a whole. The CGI was great, everything was great.

There was a lack of suspense at times, but that may have come from reading the spoilers. I can't wait for "The Return" now!

Grats to Carl Binder for writing such a fantastic episode.

uknesvuinng · #5 August 11th, 2006, 10:04 PM

Someone please tell me why the Stargate personnel are incapable of learning from mistakes? Betray the replicators once, it returns to cause them massive trouble. The Ancients betrayed these replicators, and it caused problems. Why do they think it would be a good idea to immediately betray the replicators a third time, especially when a peaceful solution with a high probability of success has already presented itself. Keep the freeze-the-replicators-and-blow-up-the-city plan as a backup, but give the other plan a reasonable chance.

Why must characters make stupid decisions to advance the plot?

Pharaoh Atem · #6 August 11th, 2006, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dromag67

One Word:

Amazing.

Breathtaking CGI.

Awesome City ship.

Awesome new enemy.

ya there goes the budget for the rest of the year lol

Dromag67 · #7 August 11th, 2006, 10:06 PM

At least they didn't betray and leave behind their one ally this time, even though he didnt stick around long.

siXbrownSnakes2 · #8 August 11th, 2006, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by uknesvuinng

Someone please tell me why the Stargate personnel are incapable of learning from mistakes? Betray the replicators once, it returns to cause them massive trouble. The Ancients betrayed these replicators, and it caused problems. Why do they think it would be a good idea to immediately betray the replicators a third time, especially when a peaceful solution with a high probability of success has already presented itself. Keep the freeze-the-replicators-and-blow-up-the-city plan as a backup, but give the other plan a reasonable chance.

Why must characters make stupid decisions to advance the plot?

You would have done differently in Weir's position?

You might not be talking if Atlantis had gotten destroyed in the process.

You saw at the end that Niam couldn't resist the "resetting" of his base code--that is evident enough that Oberoth would not have reconsidered and Atlantis would be sinking in pieces right now.

IWantToBelieve · #9 August 11th, 2006, 10:07 PM

The first half of this was great. The second half felt like watching Unnatural Selection all over again. It fell completely flat for me.

prion · #10 August 11th, 2006, 10:07 PM

AWESOME!

KICKASS!

Excelelnt episode. Carl Binder knows how to do the Shep-McKay banter as well as write scenes in which the team actually interacts. That impressed me more than the great SPX (like the pseudo-Atlantis, the flying city, and the gorgeous moonlight sky over Atlantis).

Plus the Shep whump, the McKay whump (which fanfic writers will have a ball with).

verbalkint · #11 August 11th, 2006, 10:10 PM

Is it me or does the moral question presented in this Atlantis code pretty much like a recycled event of sg1's dealings with "fifth" and the other original human replicators? Another thing is how can McKay rewire code in a couple of hours tops yet the Asurans couldn't do it in thousands of years. Finally, I hope they realize that since Niam (sp?) is not an organic life form that he doesn't need oxygen to survive and so he is just floating in space gazing at Atlantis? How about they take the initiative to rewrite his code again, disconnect the subspace communication between him and the other Asurans and retrieve him.

The next logical move would be for the Atlantis expedition to return to earth because if the Asurans could build 1 Atlantis, they can certainly build another one and they will just come after Atlantis again without having to worry about internal sabotage.

I wonder what kind of weapons the Asurans were planning on using to destroy Atlantis? To me that is the most significant question left by this episode.

JanusAncient · #12 August 11th, 2006, 10:10 PM

Seeing the city ship fly was definitely a high point. But, repeating the Ancient's mistake, they had a chance to make a powerful ally, and they threw it away. The Ancient's are kind of heartless after seeing that, I really don't like them, all those ships firing on the Asuran city. I thought the Asurans attacked the Ancient's, but it seems like the Ancient's let them go build a city, begin a civilization, and then decided just to wipe them out, for no apparent reason. Still, it was nice to see so manyy Lantian ships, but their weapons weren't causing much damage to the city itself.

smushybird · #13 August 11th, 2006, 10:10 PM

Progeny was interesting, but so downbeat. I hate to see the Atlantis team perfecting their manipulation and betrayal skills.

Certainly Liz has it down pat. I think she should stay home in the future. She's ready to destroy whole civilizations these days at the drop of a hat.

They're really becoming the bad guys of the universe.

Poor Liam. That was awful.

The special effects were brilliant. Really excellent job of it. And David Ogden Stiers was fantastic, too. Wicked arrogance. Nice job.

Some nice Sheppard-McKay interaction saved the ep from being entirely depressing. They're such boys. Loved the exchange of smacks.

verbalkint · #14 August 11th, 2006, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by IWantToBelieve

The first half of this was great. The second half felt like watching Unnatural Selection all over again. It fell completely flat for me.

Exactly, I was loving the episode until it started to feel like I was watching Unnatural Selection. I wonder far Asuras is from Lantia and how long it took for them to get to Lantia using the star drive.

obsessed1 · #15 August 11th, 2006, 10:12 PM

Sounds like a cool ep. Flying cities, evil villans etc Can uh anyone tell a whumpaholic, will probably write a fanfic about it, slightly obsessed person, what the shep whump was?
Maybe a summary of the ep too? Oh i'm a pain........

TechnoBoY · #16 August 11th, 2006, 10:12 PM

I liked it a lot! Wow! An episode with some meat to it. I like!

It mightve been similar to a few SG1 eps, but they sure did a great job! Good episode, kept me interested!

Yey, more hope for SGA.

Pharaoh Atem · #17 August 11th, 2006, 10:12 PM

highlights in this episode

seeing a city ship fly, our Atlantis getting destroyed (loved that part) the scene where there are 15 or more Aurora class ships overall great CGI

once again SGA makes me forget what happen on SG-1 tonight

thorthefifth · #18 August 11th, 2006, 10:13 PM

I don't know. It was a great episode overall. It left me confused. Did the Ancients create the replicators and if so are they the same as the android Reese we found a long time ago? It kept my attention the whole way through, I have to say. Season 3 is off to a great start.

uknesvuinng · #19 August 11th, 2006, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by siXbrownSnakes2

You would have done differently in Weir's position?

You might not be talking if Atlantis had gotten destroyed in the process.

You saw at the end that Niam couldn't resist the "resetting" of his base code--that is evident enough that Oberoth would not have reconsidered and Atlantis would be sinking in pieces right now.

Well, the original plan should have involved using the update before trying to convince Oberoth or anyone. By changing the plan, they made the others aware of a "problem" with Niam, and so they changed his code. The original plan had plenty of time to be attempted before using the freeze. They jumped the gun and it cost them the opportunity for a great alliance.

verbalkint · #20 August 11th, 2006, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JanusAncient

Seeing the city ship fly was definitely a high point. But, repeating the Ancient's mistake, they had a chance to make a powerful ally, and they threw it away. The Ancient's are kind of heartless after seeing that, I really don't like them, all those ships firing on the Asuran city. I thought the Asurans attacked the Ancient's, but it seems like the Ancient's let them go build a city, begin a civilization, and then decided just to wipe them out, for no apparent reason. Still, it was nice to see so manyy Lantian ships, but their weapons weren't causing much damage to the city itself.

Its ironic because there isn't 1 noted instance of that type of aggression the lanteans shown against the Asurans while they were battling the wraith. Maybe they should have used that method more on wraith hive ships and things would have turned out differently.

Is it just me or does the Ancients seem no better than anyone else?