The Tok'ra, Part 1 (211)

GateWorld · #1 April 28th, 2004, 12:02 AM

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THE TOK'RA, PART 1
EPISODE NUMBER - 211

SG-1 locates the Tok'ra, a Goa'uld resistence movement who oppose the System Lords, and attempt to form an alliance. Jacob Carter's cancer brings him near death. (Part 1 of 2)

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jenniferhailey · #2 May 3rd, 2004, 02:27 PM

Once more, Amanda Tapping is excellent. I love the way Hammond approaches her.

Wonderful episode, great plot, great acting. Great everything.

One bad thing:

Where the hell did Sarah Douglas go? The best Tok'ra they have and she never comes back. (Her and Martouf are joint best! Gotta love Marty too.)

bcmilco · #3 May 3rd, 2004, 03:49 PM

I thought Martouf was an interesting character, but he always made me want to grit my teeth, I just felt like I could never trust him to be completely open and honest with the SGC, and I was never totaly sure if it was intentional or not, which made me warry of him.

Garshaw was good and I wouldn't mind seeing her again.

DownFallAngel · #4 May 3rd, 2004, 03:52 PM

I know this is a little ahead, and jumping the gun, but Anise is mad hot, lol. Also, she is very knowledgable.

Norlioness · #5 May 3rd, 2004, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bcmilco

I thought Martouf was an interesting character, but he always made me want to grit my teeth, I just felt like I could never trust him to be completely open and honest with the SGC, and I was never totaly sure if it was intentional or not, which made me warry of him.

Garshaw was good and I wouldn't mind seeing her again.

I felt Martouf was the only one (besides Jacob of course) who was genuinely honest with SGC. Maybe it's because of his love for Sam/Jolinar that he will not intentionally betray the humans. What happened in Divide and Conquer was not his fault.

Lantash, on the other hand, could very well hold back information from the humans, if he is so commanded by the Tok'ra High Council.

I like Garshaw too - She has a very commanding stature and yet we've seen the soft side of her host.

Tok'ra 1&2 will always be one of my most favourite shows because it's the first SG1 episode(s) I've seen in its entirety. I thought the growing crystals were very neat.

bcmilco · #6 May 3rd, 2004, 11:21 PM

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What happened in Divide and Conquer was not his fault.

I wasn't referring to D&C I was refering to Jolinar's Memories/The Devil You Know.

Jack asked him for info about their mission and he gave it out in drips and drabs only when forced to, despite the fact they basically asked for full disclosure of info for the mission.

Otherwise I think what happened in D&C was a shame.

Norlioness · #7 May 3rd, 2004, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bcmilco

I wasn't referring to D&C I was refering to Jolinar's Memories/The Devil You Know.

Jack asked him for info about their mission and he gave it out in drips and drabs only when forced to, despite the fact they basically asked for full disclosure of info for the mission.

I've got to watch those 2 eps again. Me brain's a bit fuzzy now. I believe their mission was to rescue Jacob/Selmak.

SamInChicago · #8 May 5th, 2004, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bcmilco

Jack asked him for info about their mission and he gave it out in drips and drabs only when forced to, despite the fact they basically asked for full disclosure of info for the mission.

I don't think Martouf was doing that intentionally. He semed genuinely surprised when Jack reacted the way he did when he felt he was surprised. It may just be that that's how the Tok'ra operate and Martouf didn't stop to consider how Jack would take it.

About Tok'ra Part 1, I like this episode a lot... and not just because it's the first time we see JR Bourne. Oh, alright, it is largely because of that, but not totally.

I like the idea of Earth having off-world allies in their fight against the Goa'uld and I think the fact that there's a bit of tension between the two groups just ads to the appeal.

Yes, it seems pretty obvious where the whole Jacob dying/Selmak needs a host thing is going pretty early on, but they managed to craft a good introductory story to our alliance with the Goa'uld around it.

bcmilco · #9 May 5th, 2004, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SamInChicago

I don't think Martouf was doing that intentionally. He semed genuinely surprised when Jack reacted the way he did when he felt he was surprised. It may just be that that's how the Tok'ra operate and Martouf didn't stop to consider how Jack would take it.

Whatever the case I still didn't fully trust him. I trusted him more then most of the Tok'ra, but not much

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About Tok'ra Part 1, I like this episode a lot...
[snip] I like the idea of Earth having off-world allies in their fight against the Goa'uld and I think the fact that there's a bit of tension between the two groups just ads to the appeal.

I agree.

KorbenDirewolf · #10 May 7th, 2004, 12:52 PM

I guess I'm like O'Niell.. I'll never really trust anyone with any kind of snake in their head. Except maybe, sometimes Selmak. Never really liked Lantash all that much and the whole Jolinar thing... ah.. Maybe I shouldn't go there.

Jeff O'Connor · #11 May 19th, 2004, 02:13 PM

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I guess I'm like O'Niell.. I'll never really trust anyone with any kind of snake in their head.

That was great!

Selmak · #12 July 10th, 2004, 10:35 PM

This is one of the few times I have seen the Tok'ra with Staff weapons... in that later episodes you only see them with zats.

Selmak · #13 July 15th, 2004, 08:18 PM

... and it was one of the few times you see the Tok'ra's eyes glow.

SeaBee · #14 July 20th, 2004, 05:33 PM

I've never really trusted the Tok'Ra. They are still Goa'uld, they just don't act like them. They still think they're the superior race, though.

yenny8a · #15 July 24th, 2004, 07:42 AM

Martouf is really hot heheheh. Sorry for being gay, but I'm proud of it. Heheheh.

Selmak · #16 July 26th, 2004, 08:29 PM

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Sorry for being gay, but I'm proud of it. Heheheh.

Malek is hotter... check my sig...

Selmak · #17 July 26th, 2004, 09:50 PM

so is Aldwin... to bad he died...

yenny8a · #18 July 26th, 2004, 10:56 PM

nah i still think Martouf is hotter!
I like the way he smiles! And he is also wise cuz he's Tok'ra

Major Fischer · #19 August 17th, 2004, 12:43 AM

I think part of the issues with Martouf/Lantash seeming to be kind of ... slippery, is just how handsom JR Bourn is. A friend of mine is a relative of his, and she told me that her mother walked into a room while one of the Martouf epsiodes was playing and went "that man is just too pretty."

When my friend informed her that it was JR, her mother went, "my, he's certainly turned out nice...."

One thing that bothers me a little about the entire Jolinar plot element is that it seems to me like the rest of the SGC 'forgives' Jolinar to easily for what she put Sam through. It's fairly obvious why Sam forgives her, but there just isn't enough doubt from the others IMO.

Asgard Buddy · #20 August 17th, 2004, 10:47 AM

I wish I could grow tunnels too, it would sure cut down on building costs.

I really liked the episode though, although I liked Part II a lot better.