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    Stargate Ship Sizes

    Having been on these forums for a while now I have seen people debating the size of various ships in Stargate. Some argue about lengths based on scalings done from screen caps based on various episodes (however different episodes can lead to varying sizes depending which company did the CGI effects for that episode).

    The other source of information is from the stargate wiki, which draws its information from the SG-1 and SGA collector’s magazines (however there is some debate as to the accuracy/canonicity of the information contained within these magazines).

    However I thought it would be interesting (as I have way too much time on my hands) to compare the ship sizes from the magazine to the sizes from the Ship Scaling Sprites thread to see where the two agree/disagree and see if a general consensus can be reached regarding the size of various ships.

    The Ship Scaling Sprites thread is available here
    http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=27438

    Earth ships sizes

    X-302 [1]

    Length – 30m (compared to the 6m on the ship scaling sprites)
    Width – 75m
    Height – 5.5m

    X-303 (Prometheus [2])

    Length – 195m (compared to the 375m on the ship scaling sprites)
    Width – 80m
    Height – 65m

    X-304 (Daedalus [3] and Odyssey [4])

    Length –200[2] -225[3] m (compared to the 568m on the ship scaling sprites)
    Width – 90[2] -95[3] m
    Height – 70[2] -75[3] m

    [1] Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 37
    [2] Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 2 (Prometheus)
    [3] Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 62 (Odyssey)
    [4] Stargate Atlantis: The DVD Collection 70 (Daedalus)

    Goa’uld ships sizes

    Death Glider [5]

    Length –20m
    Width – 52m
    Height –4.37 m


    Needle Threader [6]

    Length – 4m
    Width – 6.5m
    Height – 6.5m

    Tel’tak [7]

    Length –15m (compared to the 10.5m on the ship scaling sprites)
    Width – 10m
    Height – 6.5 m

    Al’kesh [8]

    Length –35 m (compared to the 36m on the ship scaling sprites)
    Width – Unknown
    Height – 15 m

    Ha’tak [9]

    Length –700m (compared to the 680m on the ship scaling sprites)
    Width – 650m
    Height – 350m


    Anubis super weapon ship [10]

    Length –2000m (compared to the m on the ship scaling sprites)
    Width – 1200m
    Height – Unknown

    [5] Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 7
    [6] Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 15
    [7] Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 10
    [8] Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 39
    [9] Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 29
    [10] Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 44

    Asgard Ship sizes

    Bilskirnir-class [11]

    Length –1400m (compared to the 1088m on the ship scaling sprites)
    Width – 640m

    O’Neill class [12]
    Length –1500m (compared to the 1632m on the ship scaling sprites)
    Width – 700m

    Asgard science vessel – Daniel Jackson [13]

    Length –1000m (compared to the 600m on the ship scaling sprites)
    Width – 800m

    [11] Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 20
    [12] Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 22
    [13] Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 53


    Ori Ships sizes

    Ori Fighter [14]
    Length –45m (compared to the 9.25m on the ship scaling sprites)
    Height – 18m

    Ori Mothership [15]
    Length –1100m (compared to the 3196m on the ship scaling sprites)
    Width – 850m

    [14] Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 82
    [15] Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 63

    Ancient ship sizes

    Puddle jumper [16]
    Length –8m (compared to the 10.5m on the ship scaling sprites)
    Width – Unknown but <6.7m
    Height – 4.7m

    Aurora class warship (Orion [17], Aurora [18])
    Length –3000[17] -3500[18] m (compared to the 2344m on the ship scaling sprites)
    Width – Unknown
    Height – 500[17] -1000[18] m

    City ship
    Length – Unknown (3300 meters on the ship scaling sprites)

    [16] Stargate Atlantis: The DVD Collection 65
    [17] Stargate Atlantis: The DVD Collection 76 (Orion)
    [18] Stargate Atlantis: The DVD Collection 73 (Aurora)


    Wraith ship sizes

    Dart
    Length –10m
    Height – 6.5 m


    Transport/scout ship
    Length unknown (105m on the ship scaling sprites)

    Cruiser [19]
    Length –2500m (compared to the 1200m on the ship scaling sprites)
    Width – 1500m

    NOTE: Screen caps show that wraith cruisers are comparable in size to the Daedalus, if not a little larger, so 250m by 150m may be more accurate)

    Hive ship
    Unknown (11km on the ship scaling sprites)

    [19] Stargate Atlantis: The DVD Collection 76


    Just to make absolutely clear I am NOT saying the information on the wiki regarding ship sizes is 100% correct (I have to admit that the figures concerning the sizes of the X-302, the death glider, the Ori fighter and the wraith cruiser seem ridiculously large), I am NOT saying the ship scalings are incorrect. I am simply comparing two sources of information and inviting people to debate the information.
    "So, what's your impression of Alar?"
    "That he is concealing something."
    "Like what?"
    "I am unsure. He is concealing it."

    "Well, according to Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity, there’s nothing in the laws of physics to prevent it. Extremely difficult to achieve, mind you – you need the technology to manipulate black holes to create wormholes not only through points in space but time."
    "Not to mention a really nice DeLorean."
    "Don’t even get me started on that movie!"
    "I liked that movie!"

    #2
    Ok, I've been discussing this lately for use in my fanfic...

    The 304 is longer than 200m. That's only half a lap on a track and barely bigger than an Alkesh.

    Also, the Aurora-class Ancient warship isn't bigger than an Ori mothership. The mothership should be way bigger, especially laterally.

    For the life of me I don't know why a TV show would allow different scales between episodes...that drives me crazy.

    Here's a few numbers that a friend and myself have 'guestimated'.

    Aurora: 1100W, 2800L
    Atlantis: 8,500WL
    Hive: 13,000L, W?
    304: around 500m L, maybe as low as 375.
    Ha'tak: 1000ish L
    Ori mothership: 2000ish W, Length is probably 4,000+
    Stargate: ROTA wiki

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      #3
      Originally posted by Aer'ki View Post
      Here's a few numbers that a friend and myself have 'guestimated'.

      Aurora: 1100W, 2800L
      Atlantis: 8,500WL
      Hive: 13,000L, W?
      304: around 500m L, maybe as low as 375.
      Ha'tak: 1000ish L
      Ori mothership: 2000ish W, Length is probably 4,000+
      I assume thats Length and Width in meters?
      "So, what's your impression of Alar?"
      "That he is concealing something."
      "Like what?"
      "I am unsure. He is concealing it."

      "Well, according to Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity, there’s nothing in the laws of physics to prevent it. Extremely difficult to achieve, mind you – you need the technology to manipulate black holes to create wormholes not only through points in space but time."
      "Not to mention a really nice DeLorean."
      "Don’t even get me started on that movie!"
      "I liked that movie!"

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        #4
        From SB.com

        Originally posted by An Ancient
        Ok, Goa’uld motherships, the eternal question, so here we go, comment on the calcs if you wish.

        First, we must establish one thing, the ships size.

        For this I will use my calcs, if anyone has a problem with these and evidence, please say so. If you have nothing beyond you don’t like them, tough.

        Calc's;

        Ok, here we have Ra’s ship;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/7229/b17ao.jpg

        And the pyramid it lands on, supposedly the size of the Great Pyramid at Giza, which is 230m wide;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/695/b28do.jpg

        Ra’s ship over said pyramid;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/5864/b35kc.jpg

        From this, we can scale;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/9773/b41it.jpg

        And we get that Ra’s ship is 353m in diameter. So far, so good.

        Now, we establish the appearance of Ra’s ship;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/7185/b53bo.jpg

        And now we fast forward to Cimmeria;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/9863/b67wu.jpg

        These are clearly the same type of ship. It is establish that these are used as landing platforms by the Ha’tak class of vessel.

        Of course, the Asguard put a crimp in the Goa’uld plans;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/3022/b72yp.jpg

        From which we can also scale;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/7692/b81ca.jpg

        This gives us rough estimates that put the Beliskner’s ‘head’ at 711m wide and the rear at 822m wide. In addition the fins turn out to be 320m tall.

        We can the use an image of the ship on schematics along with the width of the head section, to work out the length;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/6828/b96rr.jpg

        Using our 711m width dimension, we arrive at a figure of 1720m for the length of an Asguard mothership, impressive.

        In the meantime, we fast forward to the planet Juna, where we encounter another vessel of the type use by Ra;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/1671/b102io.jpg

        except this one is used by Cronus. Happily for us, this is the only time we see them being used in their intended role as landing pedestals, using the visible underside as a reference, we conclude that the descending vessel will reach the point highlighted (also confirmed in the 'previously on SG-1' section of the next ep) using this point and our scale for the smaller vessel we can scale;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/6382/b119qe.jpg

        Scaling reveals that out of 353m of width, the Ha’tak will land at a point where it is 230m wide. This actually makes a lot of sense, as it allows the Ha’tak’s to land on these vessels while at the same time their opening is exactly the right size to land on a more primitive stone pyramid, indicating uniformity of design.


        Skip forward to ‘Lost City’, and we have our first decent view of the underside of a Ha’tak, however, there is a problem, the opening is triangular, as it was with Cronus, thus, to land on a square based pyramid or ship, we must find a square within that will allow the pyramid in (230m per side);
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/835/b129wo.jpg

        Based on this, we scale the sides of the opening at 512m wide.

        Using this size we can then take a measurement across the entire Ha’tak;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/6074/b133vh.jpg

        Which gives us the surprising figure of 2017m wide for a Ha’tak class mothership from tip to tip.

        This would explain this shot;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/3483/b142af.jpg

        While the Asguard vessel initially appears larger due to its being closer, scaling reveals it to be slightly smaller. Once projected to a point where the ‘head’ of this Beliskner class vessel would be should it move to be level with the Ha’tak, we find the scaling supports the quoted figures, the 711m wide head section giving a Ha’tak width of 2023m;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/5246/b154ap.jpg

        From there we can take this image of Anubis mothership and a Ha’tak and, once perspective is compensated for, we can scale;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/8636/b169nm.jpg

        From this we find that the radius of Anubis mothership is about 2230m.

        We can therefore conclude that Anubis mothership is 4460m wide, not including arms. Thus, we can use this shot of the mothership in action to scale it total;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/5602/b175qj.jpg

        With the arms taken into account the ship is 7945m wide, however, it should be noted that the arms add practically no offensive capability and are mostly a point of interest. Scaling via the Ha’taks in this scene support this scale.

        Now, the final scaling, using the rough 2000m figure for Ha’taks, we can now take the Ha’tak level with Apophis’s mothership and scale the ship and the ship with its arms (why do all Goa’uld have massive arms that invrease the width of their uber-ships but have not other discernible function?);
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/2509/b184xt.jpg

        We get 4390m across for the ship and 9160m once the stupidly long arms are added in.

        Thus, www.stargate-tech.net were correct in asserting the two Goa’uld uber ships are of similar size, they are, although Apophis’s ship wins out in the uselessly long arms department.

        Thus, we can offer the following scales;
        Ra type pyramid; 353m
        Ha’tak; 2000m tip to tip
        Apophis’s Ship; 4390m (9160 with arms)
        Anubis Ship; 4460m (7945 with arms)
        Asguard Beliskner class; 1720m long
        Calvin grows up to be Frazz. The logical continuation of this is, of course, that Frazz then grows up to be Edward Norton's character from Fight Club. And thus, all four of these characters are gods.Let's go one more step. Calvin grows up to be Jeremy, who grows up to be Frazz, who grows up to be "Tyler Durden," while Suzie grows up to be Haruhi Suzumiya; since Kyon becomes The Doctor, this leads to the inescapable conclusion that after the end of Fight Club, Calvin becomes Captain Jack.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Aer'ki View Post
          Ok, I've been discussing this lately for use in my fanfic...

          The 304 is longer than 200m. That's only half a lap on a track and barely bigger than an Alkesh.

          Also, the Aurora-class Ancient warship isn't bigger than an Ori mothership. The mothership should be way bigger, especially laterally.

          For the life of me I don't know why a TV show would allow different scales between episodes...that drives me crazy.
          Here's a few numbers that a friend and myself have 'guestimated'.

          Aurora: 1100W, 2800L
          Atlantis: 8,500WL
          Hive: 13,000L, W?
          304: around 500m L, maybe as low as 375.
          Ha'tak: 1000ish L
          Ori mothership: 2000ish W, Length is probably 4,000+
          you are not alone in that regard friend!

          after painstakin serching and comparing between the diffrent "THEORIES" on scales in the SG universe the conclusion i have made is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to acuratly calculate/compare to get the exact dimensions of the SG-ships as TPTB did a HORRIBLE job in this regard througout both SG1 and SGA! my point being as there are no official statements to the sizes we as designers/fans can do as we want when we build/imagine our versions! and argueing who is right and who is wrong concernig the sizes is more than pointless its STUPID as there is no "CANON" in this area for some stupid reason! we as fans/designers have to come to terms with that stargate is flawed beyond belief in so many areas its getting ridiculous and that some of you argue your "Theory" to the death is beyond words its a frikkin TV SHOW for cryin out loud! and a poorly written and produced one at that! IMO TPTB raped the potetial of the SG franchiese by allowing stupidity and Budget get in the way of the Epic potential of the Stargate Concept....

          Scales i use in my designs are
          BC-304 450-600m
          Lantean Aurora 2000m+
          Wraith Hive 10 000m+
          Ha'Tak 1000m-ish

          control-Chair
          Earth ships sizes

          X-302 [1]

          Length – 30m (compared to the 6m on the ship scaling sprites)
          Width – 75m
          Height – 5.5m
          seriously? 5.5m high? 75 M wide whereever you got this info from i seriuosly doubt that the one who wrote it had a decent understanding of the metric system....
          Last edited by Alx; 08 September 2009, 12:59 PM.

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            #6
            I started a thread a while ago, wanting to know the weights of the Stargate ships, it created a hot debate as to the actaul sizes of said ships. I will only mention the BC304 here,as that is a project I'm currently working on. The sizes of the 304 went from the ridiculous to the sublime, no two being even similar, I myself used a scaling platform, based on window apertures of about 1mtr to 1.5mtr's high, which made the 304's length approx 295 mtrs long. So in frustration I contacted MGM who provided thess sizes for me.

            The Official Stargate- MGM Information Archive

            BC - 304 (Daedalus)

            Manufacturer
            Tau'ri
            Class
            304
            Technical specifications
            Length
            225 meters[1]

            Width
            95 meters[1]

            Height/depth
            75 meters[1]

            Maximum speed
            150,300,225 meters per second[1]
            Engine unit(s)

            * Rockets
            * Asgard hyperdrive

            Fuel

            Naquadah
            Hyperdrive system

            Intergalactic/extragalactic
            Power plant

            Naquadah (present), ZPM (formerly)
            Shielding

            Asgard shields
            Hull

            Naquadah/Trinium alloy
            Sensor systems

            Asgard sensor array
            Targeting systems

            Earth targeting systems
            Navigation system

            Computer navigational systemsArmament

            * Asgard beam weapons
            * 32 Railguns
            * 16 VLS Missile Tubes
            * Mark III and IX nuclear missiles

            Complement

            16 F-302s
            Crew

            200
            Minimum crew

            2
            Other systems

            * Asgard transporters
            * Ring transporters

            Usage
            Role(s)
            Deep Space Carrier/Battlecruiser

            Year introduced
            2005

            But to go further, because these sizes were still debated, I contacted the Graphic design dept at Bridge Studio's and they confirmed that yes, these are the scaled sizes for the 304 in their CAD systems.
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              #7
              Originally posted by puddlejumperOZ View Post
              I started a thread a while ago, wanting to know the weights of the Stargate ships, it created a hot debate as to the actaul sizes of said ships. I will only mention the BC304 here,as that is a project I'm currently working on. The sizes of the 304 went from the ridiculous to the sublime, no two being even similar, I myself used a scaling platform, based on window apertures of about 1mtr to 1.5mtr's high, which made the 304's length approx 295 mtrs long. So in frustration I contacted MGM who provided thess sizes for me.

              The Official Stargate- MGM Information Archive

              BC - 304 (Daedalus)

              Manufacturer
              Tau'ri
              Class
              304
              Technical specifications
              Length
              225 meters[1]

              Width
              95 meters[1]

              Height/depth
              75 meters[1]

              Maximum speed
              150,300,225 meters per second[1]
              Engine unit(s)

              * Rockets
              * Asgard hyperdrive

              Fuel

              Naquadah
              Hyperdrive system

              Intergalactic/extragalactic
              Power plant

              Naquadah (present), ZPM (formerly)
              Shielding

              Asgard shields
              Hull

              Naquadah/Trinium alloy
              Sensor systems

              Asgard sensor array
              Targeting systems

              Earth targeting systems
              Navigation system

              Computer navigational systemsArmament

              * Asgard beam weapons
              * 32 Railguns
              * 16 VLS Missile Tubes
              * Mark III and IX nuclear missiles

              Complement

              16 F-302s
              Crew

              200
              Minimum crew

              2
              Other systems

              * Asgard transporters
              * Ring transporters

              Usage
              Role(s)
              Deep Space Carrier/Battlecruiser

              Year introduced
              2005

              But to go further, because these sizes were still debated, I contacted the Graphic design dept at Bridge Studio's and they confirmed that yes, these are the scaled sizes for the 304 in their CAD systems.
              good work on that but it still doesnt make any sence as its been shown to be much larger on occasion in the show but still goodwork on the information hunt! green!

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                #8
                For the 304.

                Originally posted by boberth2o View Post
                There have been many explainations in this. I used Sam Carter a measurable thing. Then there are different objections too. Why does a 304 only go into a hive ship 10.9 times. If you do the math it make the 304 about 1 kilometer as seen below, thats absurd.



                Then in this pic it shows that the 304's go into a hive 11.66 times. Thats no differnet and out of the question, 943 meters.



                And here the 304 is 18 times smaller than the hive. Now thats reasonable at 611 meters. I think that the specs in allies are wrong and the screenshot is correct.

                Calvin grows up to be Frazz. The logical continuation of this is, of course, that Frazz then grows up to be Edward Norton's character from Fight Club. And thus, all four of these characters are gods.Let's go one more step. Calvin grows up to be Jeremy, who grows up to be Frazz, who grows up to be "Tyler Durden," while Suzie grows up to be Haruhi Suzumiya; since Kyon becomes The Doctor, this leads to the inescapable conclusion that after the end of Fight Club, Calvin becomes Captain Jack.

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                  #9
                  seriously? 5.5m high? 75 M wide wherever you got this info from I seriously doubt that the one who wrote it had a decent understanding of the metric system....
                  I agree that a 75m wingspan on the 302 is ludicrous. But if you remember Redemption Pt2 where they attach the beta stargate to the underside of the prototype 302, its wingspan wasn’t that much larger than the gate, which has a diameter of 6.7m, so maybe the decimal point is missing and instead of 75m wingspan is actually 7.5m which is more believable, the same could be true of the death glider and the Ori fighter.

                  Originally posted by puddlejumperOZ View Post
                  So in frustration I contacted MGM who provided these sizes for me.
                  The Official Stargate- MGM Information Archive
                  BC - 304 (Daedalus)

                  Manufacturer
                  Tau'ri
                  Class
                  304
                  Technical specifications
                  Length
                  225 meters[1]

                  Width
                  95 meters[1]

                  Height/depth
                  75 meters[1]

                  But to go further, because these sizes were still debated, I contacted the Graphic design dept at Bridge Studio's and they confirmed that yes, these are the scaled sizes for the 304 in their CAD systems.
                  Nice one , I suppose this is confirmation that 304 are nowhere near as big as some of the scalings suggests and also means that any other ship sizes worked out from 304’s being more than 225m long are wrong as well.
                  Last edited by Control_Chair; 09 September 2009, 04:28 AM.
                  "So, what's your impression of Alar?"
                  "That he is concealing something."
                  "Like what?"
                  "I am unsure. He is concealing it."

                  "Well, according to Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity, there’s nothing in the laws of physics to prevent it. Extremely difficult to achieve, mind you – you need the technology to manipulate black holes to create wormholes not only through points in space but time."
                  "Not to mention a really nice DeLorean."
                  "Don’t even get me started on that movie!"
                  "I liked that movie!"

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Control_Chair View Post
                    I agree that a 75m wingspan on the 302 is ludicrous. But if you remember Redemption Pt2 where they attach the beta stargate to the underside of the prototype 302, its wingspan wasn’t that much larger than the gate, which has a diameter of 6.7m, so maybe the decimal point is missing and instead of 75m wingspan is actually 7.5m which is more believable, the same could be true of the death glider and the Ori fighter.



                    Nice one , I suppose this is confirmation that 304 are nowhere near as big as some of the scalings suggests and also means that any other ship sizes worked out from 304’s being more than 225m long are wrong as well.
                    Visuals>Official information
                    Calvin grows up to be Frazz. The logical continuation of this is, of course, that Frazz then grows up to be Edward Norton's character from Fight Club. And thus, all four of these characters are gods.Let's go one more step. Calvin grows up to be Jeremy, who grows up to be Frazz, who grows up to be "Tyler Durden," while Suzie grows up to be Haruhi Suzumiya; since Kyon becomes The Doctor, this leads to the inescapable conclusion that after the end of Fight Club, Calvin becomes Captain Jack.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Col. Shadow Quinn View Post
                      Visuals>Official information
                      Official information from the shows makers>Interpretation of visuals that are inconsistent.
                      "So, what's your impression of Alar?"
                      "That he is concealing something."
                      "Like what?"
                      "I am unsure. He is concealing it."

                      "Well, according to Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity, there’s nothing in the laws of physics to prevent it. Extremely difficult to achieve, mind you – you need the technology to manipulate black holes to create wormholes not only through points in space but time."
                      "Not to mention a really nice DeLorean."
                      "Don’t even get me started on that movie!"
                      "I liked that movie!"

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Control_Chair View Post
                        Official information from the shows makers>Interpretation of visuals that are inconsistent.
                        What is on screen > what they SAY is on screen.

                        By the way, a 304 being about 3 football fields long? Does that sound right? I'm thinking both yes and no.

                        By the way, how does that compare with US naval ships in length?
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Aer'ki View Post
                          What is on screen > what they SAY is on screen.

                          By the way, a 304 being about 3 football fields long? Does that sound right? I'm thinking both yes and no.

                          By the way, how does that compare with US naval ships in length?
                          fair question i have been wondering that myself... i'll have to look into that!

                          and an add to that anyone have any idea on how the 304s land in the hangerbays of the 304's?
                          do you think they use a hook trap system like on aircraft carriers?
                          cuz to me the bays look alittle short for a regular runway landing...
                          and by judging from flesh and blood the gravity in the bays are allways on exept for when visir was "riding the controls" manually to get carter safely back inside... so any ideas on how this might work?

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                            #14
                            no clue. maybe an advanced form of braking? maybe reverse thrust?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by thekillman View Post
                              no clue. maybe an advanced form of braking? maybe reverse thrust?
                              indeed its a headscratcher....

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