hyperspace means not: go faster than light in our universe
hyperspace works with moving the ship in another dimension where the lightlimit does not apply
hyperspace travel is like warp travel. somewhat similar to walking from the northpole to the southpole, but not over the surface but through a tunnel directly througt the planet.
i know, hyperspace travel and warp travel isnt the same, but both work on the idea of not going faster, but shortening the distance.
and yes you cannon travel trough a wormhole and stay intact. neither do you in stargate. instead you are turned into an energy signature and transmitted through, then you reintegrate at the other side. its like beaming you up to the deadalus[ for example], but the energy signature is transmitted through a wormhole. beter example: you stand on ring platform A. you go to ring platform 2. with a stargate, the rings are further away, and to cover the distance your energy signature is transmitted through a wormhole. in the quest, the transportation from lab to lab was just stargate travel. but the obelisk removed the need to actually step through. we could pull of a similar trick: connect an asgard beaming device or ring to a stargate, by using the beaming device as an extension of it, so you wont have to travel through
that means you can create mass from energy and energy from mass, and energy travels freely through a wormhole and at the other side the M=E:C^2 goes to work...
When a rocket or somekind of spaceship travels at extreme velocities, time almost cease to apply on the ship and the passengers within. If a ship travelled around our solarsystem for about 2minutes, 20 years have gone by on Earth. So how is it that the characters in SG travel around in ships at extreme velocities but still share time with everyone else on Earth? At one point, SG-1 travelled at 800 times the speed of light in a Ha'tak modified by the Replicators ... One of the greatest mysteries, or can this be explained?
Actually, in real life, it would be impossible to go any faster than the speed of light because, according to Einstein's theory of general relativity, when you hit the speed of light, time freezes.
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Hyperspace travel involves traveling through a higher dimension, the ship its self is not going the speed of light but is using the airplane principal. for those of you who don't know it, it goes like this a plane and a car leave an airport at the same time traveling at the sam speed but the plan still arrives at the destonation before the car, Why? Because it didn't have do deal with any of the obsiticals that are in the way. the sam basic principale applys to hyperspace travel.
Hyperspace travel involves traveling through a higher dimension, the ship its self is not going the speed of light but is using the airplane principal. for those of you who don't know it, it goes like this a plane and a car leave an airport at the same time traveling at the sam speed but the plan still arrives at the destonation before the car, Why? Because it didn't have do deal with any of the obsiticals that are in the way. the sam basic principale applys to hyperspace travel.
Yes, but it space how many obstacles would you come accross? Not many. So if that was true, you would only arrive at your destination a few minutes faster in hyperspace than if you weren't.
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Hyperspace: A parallel region of space-time that is separated from our own space-time along a dimension that is not the ordinary three spacial dimensions. In this parallel region, the constants or manifestation of the space-time dimensions are different is such a way as to produce a near identical yet empty universe where either distances are shorter or the speed of light is faster, this allows for a velocity in hyperspace that is construed as faster than light in our on space-time.
For example, imagine a piece of graph paper where each side of each square is 1 meter in length. You want to go two squares up and four across, if you travel along the lines this is 6 meters in length. Lets say you had a piece of graph paper where each side of each square was 1cm in length, there are the same number of squares on both pieces of paper. Your relative position on one piece of paper is the same as the other. The journey on the smaller piece of paper is only 6cm, you can get there in 100th of the time. The small piece of paper is hyperspace, a hyperspace window allows you to move between sheets of paper. If you travel at 10% the speed of light on the small piece of paper you are effectively traveling at 10 times the speed of light on the big piece of paper.
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Yes, but it space how many obstacles would you come accross? Not many. So if that was true, you would only arrive at your destination a few minutes faster in hyperspace than if you weren't.
Okay let me try an explain it again.
The universe is flat( I knowit sound wierd but it is NASA proved it) but according to M-Theory we exist in a bubble and most theoretical physists. So that must mean that the universe exists inside the bubble/membrane, like a flat sheet of paper inside i large ball( the paper is not free floating inside the ball it is tethered inside of it by curently "unknown Forces". The space inbetween the universe and its bubble is hyperspace/high dimensional space. so basically a hyperdrive opens up a window and alows you to go into H-space, from there you can fly over the universe and open a window and come out were you want to. It is a lot like taking a jet from LA to New York instead of a car. Atleast that is my basic understanding of Heim theory and a stargate Hyperdrive.
Actually, in real life, it would be impossible to go any faster than the speed of light because, according to Einstein's theory of general relativity, when you hit the speed of light, time freezes.
true but hyperspace does not get you to the speed of light. it bypasses light-speed and goes directly to faster. according to current theory, once you get past lightspeed the energy converse is true. to go faster you remove energy to move away from lightspeed in either direction. ABOVE light that means going faster. but in order to navigate you need a certain amount of energy input so you use energy to stay at a constant speed and to transit back to our universe. the Hyper-Window gets you past the speed of light without getting to the speed of light first so relativity does not apply. *end of rant*
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I read an interesting paper recently dealing with the speed of light. The basic premise behind it was that while it is indeed impossible to travel faster than light, the speed of light can be changed. Aside from the math which I couldn't quite follow, the dumbed down part basicly read that in the early universe the speed of light was much faster than it is today.
The experimental proof put forward is the rather uniform distribution of cosmic background radiation. The theory goes that according to current thinking the early universe expanded too quickly to produce that even a distribution. It then suggests that if light could travel faster in the past, then it would have allowed for energy to be transmitted across the early universe much faster and allow for the more uniform distribution we see today.
Anyways to apply this to hyperspace, it could be reasoned that the speed of light in hyperspace is different than that in real space. So to throw down the old standby E=MC^2 if you lower C to half of what is now, the energy requirements to achieve that speed drops to 1/4. Suddenly you can go very fast, even if you just coast through hyperspace.
Anyways to apply this to hyperspace, it could be reasoned that the speed of light in hyperspace is different than that in real space. So to throw down the old standby E=MC^2 if you lower C to half of what is now, the energy requirements to achieve that speed drops to 1/4. Suddenly you can go very fast, even if you just coast through hyperspace.
Actually, E=m*c^2 shows why the speed of light can't be different in hyperspace. What that particular equation means is that energy has mass, and that everything that has mass has an inherent energy due to that mass.
However, if the speed of light were different in hyperspace, then the proportions would be different for a ship in hyperspace than in real space: it would have either a fraction of its normal mass (violating conservation of mass) or many times its mass-energy (violating conservation of energy).
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Actually, E=m*c^2 shows why the speed of light can't be different in hyperspace. What that particular equation means is that energy has mass, and that everything that has mass has an inherent energy due to that mass.
However, if the speed of light were different in hyperspace, then the proportions would be different for a ship in hyperspace than in real space: it would have either a fraction of its normal mass (violating conservation of mass) or many times its mass-energy (violating conservation of energy).
Mass conservation only works under condition that speed of light is a constant.
Simple. They don't travel at superluminal velocities in 'real' space. They are traveling in hyperspace, which negates the relativistic effects, because they are traveling in a completely different spacial dimension. Even in hyperspace they aren't actually moving anywhere near superluminal velocities, but the distance traveled is greater than that were they to travel the same speed and amount of time in real space. They are essentially tunneling through subspace (hyperspace is the subspace corridor itself), so when they come out of hyperspace on the other side, they've crossed light years instead of hundreds or thousands of 'real' space miles.
I like to think of it like walking on a moving pathway.
Your energy output and personal velocity is unchanged, but you're covering ground at a MUCH higher rate of speed relative to the folks on the pavement.
Actually, the ship itself is not moving at the speed of light. The entire idea behind warp drives and hyperdrives is to go AROUND the speed of light. To bypass the need to actually reach light velocity. In stargate, they open a subspace window, and once in subspace, they simply continue under sublight power, but inside that subspace, the speed regulations change. Its like going 10 MPH in subspace is the equivalent to 10000000000 MPH outside subspace. So they never actually pass the speed of light. As a matter of fact they more than likely never even come close to it. The Asgard hyperspace window generators most likely open a window to a portion of subspace where the difference in speeds is tremendous, so even going .01c ends up translating to insanely fast speeds in our spacetime.
I like to think of it like this. Imagine one dimension of our universe as a circle. Now say you're on one side and you want to get to the opposite side, but the distance around the circumference is too great. So you go into "hyperspace" and cut across the circle by drawing an arc.
Faster hyperdrives would draw tighter arcs, progressively closer to the radius.
Though you can speed up and slow down with the sublight engines while in hyperspace, you still have a speed limit of c. Your total velocity would be your velocity through hyperspace multiplied by how deep you are in hyperspace, which would be determined by the type of hyperdrive you are using.
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Actually, in real life, it would be impossible to go any faster than the speed of light because, according to Einstein's theory of general relativity, when you hit the speed of light, time freezes.
Heh, maybe that's why photons can talk to each other.
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