the asgard in the 1994 movie

[DeRoest]

i think a few of us need to read this too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retcon

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

Originally Posted by mattyg1987

There are no Asgards in the original Stargate movie. That was what the Goa'uld Ra was originally to look like before the SG-1 producers came up with the whole snake idea.

Originally Posted by Pharaoh Atem

exactly

If I recall correctly there wasn't even any Ancients in the 1994 movie.
It wasn't until the show came that any other Aliens were created by TPTB.
Too be perfectly honest I and this may just be me, now consider the show to be more canon than the movie.

Well I suppose it's cannon to the show, the show I mean.

[LtColCarter]

Originally Posted by jollyrogue

woah a second... i didn't know about any of this stuff with an asgard and goa'uld.. Is it all explained in the 1994 movie or explained in the SG-1 Series? and wheres the picture of famrir from? i wanna know so i can watch them parts.

edit: if its real like what Rise of the Phoenix is talking about..

That pic is from the 1994 movie. Its when the story of Ra was told. However, when I watched the movie I took it as Ra was from a dying alien race and that the picture shown was that of the alien race. In the 1994 movie, they mention nothing of symbiotes.

[Ltcolshepjumper]

In the movie, that alien was Ra. Now, it would stand to reason that the Goauld would have taken different hosts other than Unas before they found humans. Since we know the movie and series don't connect, all we can do, if we choose not to ignore it is to justify it. And so, it's possible that Ra's alien host possessed shape-shifting abilities, but was physically weak.

[Steelbox]

What do you guys think of a refilming of the original movie? or at least doing a retcon redoing some scenes like the story of RA, just do a CG with a goauld but dont name it. Maybe better CGS, change the piramid ship to a hatak one. Make it more canon to the series.

[rockerlad]

Originally Posted by Steelbox

What do you guys think of a refilming of the original movie? or at least doing a retcon redoing some scenes like the story of RA, just do a CG with a goauld but dont name it. Maybe better CGS, change the piramid ship to a hatak one. Make it more canon to the series.

Nope theres nothing wrong with the film........lets just face facts there is differences between the film and series, and if there had been no film there would not have been any series

[Jedi_Master_Bra'tac]

*sigh*...
This is why I hate the Stargate Wikia, they have no concept of the idea of "canon".
This is just a fan's desperate attempt to smooth out the inconsistencies between movie and the series. But guess what? They don't need smoothing out, you just have to accept that the movie has a different canon/has been retconed.
The RPG is about as canon as Infinity

A far superior SG wiki

[DeRoest]

all i'm saying is how hard would it be for someone to say off-hand that ra had previously infested an asgard. I know, I know that the alien in the 1994 was intended to actually be Ra, but Sg-1 retconned him into a snake-like goa'uld. So it makes sense that he was really just using that alien as a host and that host was dying (which the asgard were, I might point out)

[Col.Ads]

just no

[tainor]

I like the idea of Ra taking over an Asgard, after all they were parasites that took host to survive. It stands that Ra's host was dyeing, which we know the Asgard were.
Maybe Ra took an Asgard host, when the Go'uld first meet with the Asgard and he jumped from an Unas to an Asgard. But since the Asgard were a clones and dyeing from DNA instability he was forced to search for a new body and that's when he found Earth.

OR

The host was a completely different specie all together which had the ability to shape-shift and was the last of it's kind kind as Ra stated in the movie.

Tain

[ElChristo]

Originally Posted by DSAzrael

IF!! he was driven mad, or if he was filled with vengeance, he would not have been part of the expidition to the pegasus galaxy as he would want vengeance on the ga'ould, but in that same light, the Asgard high council would not have allowed him to exact vengeance as the Ga'ould would see this as the treaty being broken and would start attacking worlds under the protection of the Asgard, WWWHHHIIIICCCHHH could have lead to leave the galaxy in order to forget what had happened, but does not explain his "un-compasionate" attitude towards other life forms.

WWWOOOWWWW i'm a nerd

Remember, this is the time when the Goa'uld first discovered earth. So there wouldnt have been the treaty as all the humans in the galexy would still be on earth.

Originally Posted by DSAzrael

But this, like alot of stargate, annoys me, its never fully explained or re-visited. We know that for thousands of years the Asgard were clones, downloading and re-uploading the conscious mind of an asgard into a new clone, so this wiki is flawed essentially in that they wouldnt of healed his body, simply given his consious a new body, and with the mind going mad, we know they have the ability to "remove" certain knowledge from the brain (in reference twice to O'Neill Episodes "The Fifth Race" and "New Order Part 2") when O'neill has the knowledge of the Ancients downloaded into his mind, and in both times (and in different ways each time) he has it removed by the Asgard.

I agree and disagree here. I agree with the swapping his concious into another clone. But I disagree with the removing knowledge from his mind.
Like I said before, this was when the goa'uld first discovered earth, around 8,000 BC.

As Goa'ulds are parasites and scavangers, they steal their technology. If Ra had taken an Asgard as host, he would have consumed his knowledge. Which i'm guessing is how the goa'uld have their current space ship. Since the goa'uld now only take human hosts, they wont be advancing technologicly. Whereas the 10,000 years past since Famrir was Ra's host, the Asgard would no doubtedly be much further.

So they might not have had the 'right-click delete' technology then.


Now for my contribution,
I dont think Ra shapeshifted back into his 'original' form when he was blown up. I think it was just a kind of, copy of Famrir still in Ra's mind.
Like when a goa'uld leaves a host, it leaves a protein mark. With the amount of information Ra must have gotten from an Asgard must have at least left some sort of carbon copy of Famrir inside him.

[rushy]

Ra took Famrir as a host. And I didn't even see Ra transform into Famrir before his death.

[LtColCarter]

This hurts my brain again...