So what exactly is the status of Stargate Command? (Spoilers for SGA S5 and SGU S1)

[Flying Officer Bennett]

So obviously, as of the end of SGA, Atlantis is on Earth, and in theory, that gate supercedes the SGC's gate. Blah Blah - we've all had this discussion before. Great.

Discussions about whether or not Atlantis should stay on Earth and serve as a new SGC aside, I myself want to know exactly what is happening with the Stargate programme now.

Personnel that we are used to seeing at the SGC, such as Walter, and Dr Lee, are now apparently working out of the Dept of Homeworld Security in the Pentagon. Did they simply just get re-assigned? Or have SGC operations from Cheyenne Mountain genuinly shut down and the body of Gate operations are now split between the Pentagon and Atlantis?

Thoughts?

[Sealurk]

Maybe the gateverse's Cheyenne Mountain Complex has caught up with ours and been placed into warm standby, making it hard to justify the amount of personnel and materiel being moved into the mountain. Given the increased IOA control and role in the Stargate program, maybe this has been taken as the ideal time to move to a brand new, more internationally acceptable facility.

Atlantis' presence on Earth is presumably not permanent given the plans for an SGA movie, but it could function as an interim SGC while a new facility is built, perhaps one located in more neutral territory (Antarctica, near the Atlantus Outpost?).

Not sure how I'd feel about any of these developments though.

[Skydiver]

i would think that finding a new home for atlantis would be a priority. Seriously, are we supposed to believe that they are keeping that city sheilded and hidden???? on this planet with almost every square inch covered with satellites?

Atlantis landing unnoticed is an unbelievable stretch, it remaining here is also way too far of a stretch.

I would imagine priority one is to get Atlantis home. the the SGC would still explore and look for resources to aid earth. It's possible that Atlantis will be the new SGC, or the new alpha site and if they get Atlantis a home far enough away, the SGC will be little more than a transfer point to rotate personnel in and out of Atlantis.

[Major Tyler]

They could put Atlantis on Mars. It would be far enough away to have it's own Stargate address, but close enough to Earth to be easily accessible. The city shield makes it an ideal colony for a non-habitable planet.

[The Prophet]

They could put Atlantis on Mars. It would be far enough away to have it's own Stargate address, but close enough to Earth to be easily accessible. The city shield makes it an ideal colony for a non-habitable planet.

But if the City's Shield ever cut out for whatever reason, lack of power, someone turning it off, someone yanking out the ZPM, etc, then suddenly a lot of Altantis would be exposed to vacuum, and there'd be a heavy loss of life and damage.

Heliopolis would be a good place for Atlantis, I think. It has a survivable atmosphere, and a body of water for Atlantis to rest upon. Though the one time we've seen it it's been stormy, that may just be some bad weather, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad in the middle of the ocean.

Also, seeing as it used to be a meeting place for the Four Great Races, it'd hold a bit of history to it.

Plus, it's the closest inhabitable planet we know of, besides Abydos. So if Earth comes under any threat, Atlanis is only a brief journey away.

[YutheGreat]

If Earth wants to go to war with the Wraith. Atlantis needs to be in Pegasus to function as a command center and fleet coordination. Though I doubt the IOA will be willing to part with Atlantis. Since Atlantis is on Earth, the SGC will probably have to operate from there due to gate supremacy rule. Pegasus gates are priority over Milky Way Gates.

[The Prophet]

If Earth wants to go to war with the Wraith. Atlantis needs to be in Pegasus to function as a command center and fleet coordination. Though I doubt the IOA will be willing to part with Atlantis. Since Atlantis is on Earth, the SGC will probably have to operate from there due to gate supremacy rule. Pegasus gates are priority over Milky Way Gates.

Aren't the Wraith basically defeated now? Between a combination of the Asurans destroying them and their food supply, the Hoffan drug poisoning them and Michael and his hybrids attacking them.

The last episode of Atlantis was just a rogue faction that managed to get their hands on ZPMs.

Really, the Wraith are few in numbers, and will probably be on the decrease, if every other human they feed upon kills them. Even if they try to eradicate any remaining traces of the Hoffan drug, the Travellers, or just one or two of our 304s could easily wipe them out. I doubt they'd be up for a war.

[Major Tyler]

Heliopolis would be a good place for Atlantis, I think. It has a survivable atmosphere, and a body of water for Atlantis to rest upon. Though the one time we've seen it it's been stormy, that may just be some bad weather, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad in the middle of the ocean.

Also, seeing as it used to be a meeting place for the Four Great Races, it'd hold a bit of history to it.

Plus, it's the closest inhabitable planet we know of, besides Abydos. So if Earth comes under any threat, Atlanis is only a brief journey away.

Good call. This post is Major Tyler-approved

[YutheGreat]

Aren't the Wraith basically defeated now? Between a combination of the Asurans destroying them and their food supply, the Hoffan drug poisoning them and Michael and his hybrids attacking them.

The last episode of Atlantis was just a rogue faction that managed to get their hands on ZPMs.

Really, the Wraith are few in numbers, and will probably be on the decrease, if every other human they feed upon kills them. Even if they try to eradicate any remaining traces of the Hoffan drug, the Travellers, or just one or two of our 304s could easily wipe them out. I doubt they'd be up for a war.

I think you are totally underestimating the Wraith and overestimating the Travellers.

The Travellers are no where near capable of going to war with the Wraith. If they could they would have fought the Wraith themselves. Yes they've got good tech but I doubt they will send their fleet in battle with civilians on board. Also no resources to build more ships. So even if they win the evil Asgard will probably take over.

They need a good settlement to hide their people. In any event they need a command center that can coordinate their efforts.

The Alliance can't fight a Wraith Hiveship.

The last episode was one Hiveship out of Todd's Faction and we know there are a lot of other faction working on detecting Hoffan humans and without Michael his Hybrids are leaderless and practically mindless.

[D-aria]

The ioa is probably going to hold on to Atlantis with a death grip and go on about the wraith being gone and theres no need for atlantis to move. the atlantis crews not going to under estimate the wraith they know that that there still danger. Then Shepp, Mckay and the others are probably going to steel it and so on. Sorry for any strange sentences im on my phone

[Major Tyler]

Why can't Earth just use the city-ship from "The Tower" as the Pegasus base? We know that there are two parts to Ancient city-ships: the city part, and the ship part. From "The Tower" we know that the city part is destroyed (except for the control tower, which is the most important part), but we also know that the ship part still functions since McKay was able to initiate the stardrive.

As long as the shield still works, this city-ship would be just as useful of a base as Atlantis. The people who live on the planet would also be protected by the shield/cloak, so I'm sure they wouldn't mind.

[Sealurk]

Why can't Earth just use the city-ship from "The Tower" as the Pegasus base? We know that there are two parts to Ancient city-ships: the city part, and the ship part. From "The Tower" we know that the city part is destroyed (except for the control tower, which is the most important part), but we also know that the ship part still functions since McKay was able to initiate the stardrive.

As long as the shield still works, this city-ship would be just as useful of a base as Atlantis. The people who live on the planet would also be protected by the shield/cloak, so I'm sure they wouldn't mind.

Sorry, you lost me. Then again I haven't seen that episode in a while.

EDIT: According to Gateworld's episode guide, McKay says the other city-ship is just buried, with the Tower the only visible part. He also depleted the ZPM in the episode, making it less attractive as an alternative site for Pegasus.

[Flying Officer Bennett]

To be fair. I think having a Pegasus version of the Alpha Site nicely embedded in a mountain would be sufficient, it's also no big deal if the Wraith over run it, because it's expendable, unlike Atlantis itself.

[Major Tyler]

According to Gateworld's episode guide, McKay says the other city-ship is just buried, with the Tower the only visible part. He also depleted the ZPM in the episode, making it less attractive as an alternative site for Pegasus.

All the other "buildings" are gone, but the "starship" part beneath the buildings is still fine. I'm sure Earth could spare one of the three ZPMs from Atlantis, or strangle a few more out of Todd.

Or they could fly to the "Brotherhood" planet and threaten to massacre every last one of them until they give us their ZPM. We could offer them a depleted one in exchange. They wouldn't know the difference.

[Major_Griff]

They could put Atlantis on Mars. It would be far enough away to have it's own Stargate address, but close enough to Earth to be easily accessible. The city shield makes it an ideal colony for a non-habitable planet.

It's my understanding that any gate within this solar system would be close enough to supersede the earth gate.

I like the idea of moving Atlantis to Heliopolus, but I think I remember reading someone had the idea that Atlantis could stay on Earth, which would explain why the SGC was shut down at the end of 1969. I think that would be a nice nod to continuity.

Of course if they ever make Extinction, they'll probably bring it back to Pegasus for story reasons.

As for Lee and Walter working at the pentagon, I'd say that's either a Major Marks type situation, or they were simply transfered.

[knowles2]

I am sure Walter was reassign, after all there cannot be to many people in the Airforce able to work with General O'neil an still stay sane.

[Sealurk]

To be fair. I think having a Pegasus version of the Alpha Site nicely embedded in a mountain would be sufficient, it's also no big deal if the Wraith over run it, because it's expendable, unlike Atlantis itself.

I agree with that from a logical standpoint, just not a dramatic one! But yeah, an Earth-built Pegasus facility would be a much better bet than risking ostensibly the most critical asset the IOA possesses.

I am sure Walter was reassign, after all there cannot be to many people in the Airforce able to work with General O'neil an still stay sane.

I'm not so convinced even Walter could stay sane under those circumstances...though he does seem to be highly relied upon. Maybe he doesn't like Landry as much, or he got promoted.

[Major Tyler]

It's my understanding that any gate within this solar system would be close enough to supersede the earth gate.

How do you figure that? I've never heard that there can't be two gates in the same solar system, only the same planet.

What episode did you get this information from?

[The Prophet]

How do you figure that? I've never heard that there can't be two gates in the same solar system, only the same planet.

What episode did you get this information from?

Possibly because the Gate Co-ordinated are based on Stars/Constellations, a solar system would count as the same area in terms of things. As the are the Gate covers is pretty large, and not that accurate?

Just guessing here though.

When our Gate was under threat from exploding by Apophis (was it?), O'Neill sent the 302 into hyperspace, reaching just beyond Pluto. If a Gate can still connect in hyperspace, then it may stand to reason that the Gate was still active beyond Pluto, and not disconnected, because it was still in the same target area?

Lot of holes in that, but yeah.

[DigiFluid]

How do you figure that? I've never heard that there can't be two gates in the same solar system, only the same planet.

What episode did you get this information from?

It's always been my understanding that it's only one gate to a solar system.

Gate addresses are 6 star constellations around a single star system, so given how far apart stars (and thus, constellations) really are, it would be all but impossible for two gates to have distinct addresses within the confines of one system.