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Reply With QuoteNext Season he'll be played by the WONDERFUL, INCREDIBLE, OUTSTANDING, AMAZING ... AMANDA TAPPING
Just to know. The writers can't manage to throw Ronon a bone, and he's just a walking cliché that, most of the time, only serves to groan, show his muscles, garble things I can't understand and just sit in the backrgound.
There are many ways to explore the character and give him a much more complex background or whatever, notably regarding regarding the Wraith and the runner thing... and I mean something very well thought, with muuuch more implications that a mere backstory about how he was just kidnapped and lost his family, because that was... excuse me, completely unimaginative.
Fact is that after nearly two seasons, nothing happened. So since the writers don't seem to be bothered actually making an effort, why not simply revert to a character which at least got really interesting, before he got axed for absurd reasons: Aiden Ford.
Ford originally was that cool guy who enjoyed life.
He didn't have any particular background, so it was not easy to build something around him.
It would have probably all been about his new family, the army, supported by many sheer camaraderie moments and mutual support in such a dire situation, with the Wraith menacing to suck your life anyday.
Maybe you could actually have a story about why he decided to go into the army, have a look at his motivations and moral standards.
I was giggling when Ford was wetting his pants when Everett gave him a quick speclist of the railguns they brought to Atlantis.
Those character moments did actually happen, and had much more weight than anything penned for Dex.
Ford felt like he wanted to be given responsabilities, to show that he's a good man, and only asked for the occasion to do so. 38 minutes supports this. Sheppard's joke about not letting him pilot a gateship after taunting him was so perfect, in that it was not necessarily nasty, but you could somehow feel how a bit hurt Ford's ego was.
Then came The Siege, and his character dramatically evolved (in a very good way in fact), to the whole awkward situation after he got infected, which gave him so much relief and even more charisma.
His confession in Lost Boys about how, after being on the run, he actually missed his family, was very very well delivered and touching.
And this didn't serve as a petty excuse for some Sateda-like one-man-show full of clichés, testosterone and bravado.
Considering what happened to him, Ford does now have a very interesting background. A sort of traitor with still some good in him, who's lost the trust from his former friends, but feels so lonely at the same time, in a galaxy that is not his.
His free run gave him the oportunity to lead a team on perillous missions. He got responsabilities, much more than Teyla ever had a chance to display.
His wraith infection could really lead to much more interesting interactions and consequences... and please, keep him with the black eye. Eventually give him an eyepatch with "Wraith Killer" written on it or whatever badass catch phrase. Captain Harlock, Snake Plissken and Solid Snake had one after all.
You could have a story about how he took this decision after a while, since his black eye was making people feel unconfortable with him.
That alone could make him the mascot of the show, in a good way that is.
A return to Atlantis would carry soooooo much potential. Conflict, hierarchy questioning, Teyla and Ronon having doubts about his nature, Weir sometimes feeling a bit unsecure, Sheppard not knowing how he can handle the boy, though he tries to as authoritative as possible, Ford struggling against his addiction to the enzyme, sometimes making his reactions a bit too instinctive and violent.
We're not even talking about all the populace on the city, and the broad range of reactions to be expected when Ford would be walking down corridors.
So since the writers utterly failed at doing anything good or complex with Ronon, safe paint him as t3h sexy and dirty boy with some disastrous caveman attitude, up to the point where you wonder why they actually brought him, instead, I'm just going to ask this:
When is Ford back?
Coffee, anyone?
Next Season he'll be played by the WONDERFUL, INCREDIBLE, OUTSTANDING, AMAZING ... AMANDA TAPPING
Ronon is a much more interesting character than Ford in my opinion, I think we've seen a fair few sides to him this season, unlike Ford in season 1. The best thing that could of happened to Fords character did happen, he got changed into something interesting and different, if he came back to the team as his old self I think it would be a bad move on the part of TPTB, he was nearly as boring as Teyla...
What people seem to forget is that the two characters are COMPLETLY different personalities.
Yes - Ford was a laid back, be happy kid - with no interesting amazing features...and has turned into something more
Yes - Ronan has been on the run for a LONG time and has a DEEP hatred for the Wraith - but over the seasons we've seen him change from someone not so sure to being close friends to some outsiders...
Both have had their own little moments, Fords little 'wet his pants at rail guns that kill tons' - to Ronans moment of hugging Beckett - which clearly indicate that, while he told Sheppard one thing, he REALLY didnt want to die and was glad to be saved.
They both brought something different to Atlantis, but Ford was suppose to be a character people related too. Ronan wasn' brought in too drool over, or be some walking hulk - he's there to be intimidating, to be the border morality.
Ronans moments, unlike Fords are alot less obvious in my honest opinion.
Momoa's arguable acting capabilities aside, you got to be kidding, right?Originally Posted by jenks
Above all, Ford was displayed as a normal human, not some sort of improbable superhero.
Ronon's moments are less obvious because they're probably not there to boot, or not so numerous, or just plain badly played.
People should really wake up. Ronon has been on the team for a damn long time now, and the amount of development is near to a sac of peanuts.
Woah, he's hugged Beckett! This so immediately gives him an aditionnal dimension. Hold me back!
What about psychological breakdown for a change? You know, after seven years of running (which itself asks for even more backstory), loosing his family, etc. What about his culture? Couldn't he meet other friends from Sateda? Why not raise a guild on Atlantis? What about Sateda and the Genii?
Why not come with something between him and the Wraith that will propel him to a higher plane of plot schemes and overall interesting arcs?
Why not, for a change, make him think instead of smash things to solve problems? Because if it was just to get a muscleman level 75, I think Ford was doing quite well with his enzyme packs, and it was much more interesting.
Oh, but the problem was that there were... DRUGS!!
In Stargate?? It's so politically incorrect!! (not that the morality of certain episodes is particularily appreciable - Irresistible anyone?)
Dex was added to the team like it was perfectly natural, like he's always been there. Smooth. Oh yes, from time to time, there had to be some kind of... reluctance? I can't even remember that happening often.
He just obeyed Sheppard, and risked to put everything in jeopardy when Wraith started to show up. But not in an interesting kind of way, more like you had a raging drooling rottweiler getting out of control and running away like it had seen a giant bloody bone down the road. That for sure provides so much matter for such an incredible amount of character devlopment! :|
Besides, it's funny how people put an "a" in Ronon's name, writing it Ronan. Like Conan. You know, the thick barbarian who doesn't say much and gets a horrible character treatment in a certain sequel, played by someone who's not remembered for his immense acting skills. Talk about similarity.
I'm simply sick of seeing writers being paid god knows how much, sitting there, kicking a character off the race, one which really started being interesting that is, and replacing him by a complete extra meat sac, being utterly translucent for a whole season, and being fleshed out just as much as I'm married to Benedict XVI.
Last edited by Mister Oragahn; January 15th, 2007 at 12:37 PM.
It's true that the writers seem to have forgotten all about Ford and the Wraith enzyme story, but it does have to be considered that perhaps they don't know where to go with the story. After "The Hive" it left the door open for them to go back if they came up with anything plausible (by the lack of Ford in season 3 that obviously hasn't happened)
As for Ronon, there’s nothing wrong with him, the little we know about his background adds to the character, you want to know about him but at the same time you know enough about him to know that he will help in the fight against the Wraith. The hug with Beckett it adds that there is more to him than the fighter who won't stop until all Wraith are dead, and like I said that’s what makes the character who he is.
Exactly, he was bland and there was nothing much to his character other than his sense of humour. To me it never made sense to have him as a main member of the cast, he didn't add enough and probably only deserved about as much screen time as Lorne, or Zelenka at a push.
Rhonin has been here TWICE as long as Ford. Its more his show than fords now. As much as i Liked Ford hes gone. For one the airforce would never have him back active in the fields after being AWOL under mind altering drugs for 2 years. Secondly, he didnt really add anything to the team or show, hes was just sheppard Junior. Sheppard is sheppard enough, we dont need a sidekick to ape the main character....
i'd like both ford and ronon in the show but if i had to choose between them i would choose ronon hands down.
Well, I guess that it's fine when a show is full of main human characters who do not feel like they're normal humans. That makes the show so credible. >>
I recognize that Ford's writing wasn't stellar from the get go, I even complained about that, but it started to get good, and provided matter to work from once he got enzymed.
Of course, he got screwed because having a junkie with a black eye in the main cast is just so out of place for the rating demographics.
I don't give a damn about how long he's been there. He can die tomorrow, shamelessly falling over one of Atlantis' terraces without anyone noticing, nothing would change. Just like in all late Stargate, he'd become one of those characters that you quickly forget about.Rhonin has been here TWICE as long as Ford. Its more his show than fords now. As much as i Liked Ford hes gone.
Then Lorne would probably be promoted as the new barbarian. With military outfit, that is.
Ronon got as much lines and devlopment as a character who's been added to the show's lore since two episodes ago.
Pah. Sheppard has been acting way out of the airforce's rulebook for years, and has been altered by a couple of things in the past as well.For one the airforce would never have him back active in the fields after being AWOL under mind altering drugs for 2 years.
He changed, and the changes made the character richer.Secondly, he didnt really add anything to the team or show, hes was just sheppard Junior. Sheppard is sheppard enough, we dont need a sidekick to ape the main character....
In case people don't understand what I'm writing, I'm talking about a return, and the consequences it will have, which, if you think about it, even a twiny little bit should suffice, would become quite clear.
There's quite a lot about characterization and interactions to be made, especially since Ford has been running and killing Wraith just as much as Ronon.
But no, I guess that's too hard to imagine. I mean, wait, thinking about character development?! What kind of job is that?
I disagree. I think Ronon is a helluva lot more interesting and entertaining to watch than Ford. He was just another soldier to me. In fact, if there's one thing wrong with Season 1, it was Ford. He was just...there.
Nothing on Rainbow, of course; I think he made the most of what he had.
Just to point out - back story?
Its been THREE seasons! Its not SG1 that has 10 years worth of back story
We DID NOT learn about SG1s backstory STRAIGHT away, it was what, Season 3 when we met Sams dad? Season 4 when we met Daniels Grandad?
It did NOT happen overnight, give the writers time to give Ronan (and the rest) their stories.
Everyone thought Sam was going to be a token female to please people...now look at her.
Give Ronan a chance and he can shine...
Ford was a terrific character for what he was - he was used to get people to relate and that role is less needed now. The story, and plot has moved on to us accepting it.
The thing is taht in one season of atlantis they developed ronons character more than with Ford. Ford was just there and he was just an average souldier (you know, the kind that die in the rest of the series or get shot up from time to time) Ronon on the other hand gives plenty more options. Sateda for example was a great ep and had some great character development. On the other hand for a whole season ford just took orders from sheppard, bossed everyone else when it suited him and made jokes.
Actually it was season 2 where you first meet jacob and season 3 where you meet Daniels grandad. But I agree with your point.
Also can I point out that Rainbow left of his own accord. He couldn't deal with the schedule so they came up with the enzyme story to bring him back if Rainbow ever wanted to and if not just bring him back for the occasional special guest visit.
Am I the only one that thinks that Ford could have been written into the Wraith cure story line ? Who knows how it would work with him
You know, the producers fired RF becuase his character didn't devlope the way they wanted him too. RF did a tredmedous amout of promoting for the show during the first season. He was energtic and enthused about the comming seasons. Then, bam--he was fired and replaced with Ronin.
I wouldn't personally blame RF if he never wanted to come back to SGA after the WAY TPTB screwed him over. They did you know--he was contracted through season 2. But if they had fired the writers and hired ones that--what's the words--could actually write! I think Ford would have been just fine.
The actor could have done ANYTHING with that character--rember the puddle jumper scene with Sheppard and the bug stuck to his neck? Ford was just begining to shine. The show took a cop out and wanted the big, hairy guy effect.
Ronin is not any better than Ford. matter of fact--Ford had far more personality that Ronin and Ford ONLY HAD ONE season.
Ronin is the equivalent of what became of Teal'c. Nothing but funiture who adds a few lines to fill in air space. Both actors are under used for thier talents.
SGA could do fine without Ronin or Teyla--however if Sheppard or McKay were to leave the show would go into melt down.
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