Is anybody else thinking/concered that Atlantis season one will outshine/outdo SG1 season eight? I can't help but think that it will, judging by what I've read and the new pics from "Rising". It seems like all the creators efforts are going into Atlantis. I've also seen it happen before with a spin-off show in the case of Buffy and Angel. Angel's season 3 and season 4, were much better then Buffy's season 6 & 7.
You want to step outside for a minute?Originally Posted by Jonas
I mean, seriously; 3/6 I'll maybe give you, but Season 7 made Season 4 of Angel look mimsy. Even when a power-that-was walked the streets of LA, Angel's still felt like the 'also-ran' apocalypse.
Although i enjoyed Angel's seasons 3/4, I think Buffy's seasons 6/7 was generally still always better than Angel, although Angel did have more dramatic scenes which i thought were much better. I think Season 8 of Stargate will not be outshined by Atlantis.
Buffy 7 was great, but come on! Season 6 sucked. The baddies were three geeks! Thats aawful!
Have you ever defeated 3 geeks trying to take over the world? Im sure its harder than it sounds
I don't know.
On the one hand, you don't want Atlantis completely outshining season eight, as SG-1 rating would probably suffer because of it.
However, on the other hand you don't want season 8 outshining Atlantis, as then people wouldn't watch Atlantis and the show would crash and burn, which we don't want to happen.
So they'll probably be around equal, maybe Atlantis slightly better as it's getting off the ground and more attention is devoted to it.
I think that Atlantis is hobbled from the start. I don't think it stands a prayer of "outshining" SG-1... unless S8 is so appallingly bad that it drives fans away. Of course, if people hate S8 it's a question mark whether or not they'll like Atlantis since the same writers will be pulling the same stupid stunts on both shows.
Atlantis will probably be treated like the ugly red-headed stepchild, especially if SG-1 goes on for another season.
Failing that, I think the writers have pretty much proven they're out of ideas, so starting off a whole "new" show when you've forgotten how to write quality stories, well... It ain't gonna be pretty.
I hope against hope that Atlantis will be allowed to thrive, but after the frustrations of S6 and the near-constant disappointments of S7, I don't think there's much hope of that.
Gods forbid they should actually hire new writers to help...
Hopefully both series will thrive,but I tend to share some of Shadow's views about the potential of staleness from the writing/production teams.
Good Luck to both Shows,anyway.
I found Season 6 of Buffy - like Season 4 - to be better on a second viewing. Season 6 of Stargate held up well enough on DVD; except for Full Circle, which just gets worse.
It is up to the writers and producers, and the chemistry between the actors.
I doubt very much that "all the creators efforts are going into Atlantis", I do think though that there's a bit of extra effort going into Atlantis - which is only logical as Atlantis is a whole new series with new characters, while SG-1 has 7 seasons of fleshing out behind it and doesn't need much more than a road map and new scripts.
I also think it's impossible to compare the first season of a new series to the 8th (!!!) of an existing series. The first season is always partially finding its feet and almost always involves a bit of stumbling (think of "Emancipition" from SG-1's first season), but at the same time it's all new and exciting. While an 8th season is stable in its characters, storylines and such, but also gets a bit "boring" because it's lost its newness. That last part takes a lot to overcome, but even if they don't entirely overcome it they still make very enjoyable episodes. I personnally found the whole of season 7 very enjoyable, the problem was that some episodes felt a bit done-before ("Revisions" for example) and I was hoping for more episodes about the bigger Goa'uld/Anubis storyline.
So no I'm not worried, if they manage to make season 1 of Atlantis better than season 8 of SG-1 I think that's a good sign for the future of Atlantis - but I still think it's uncomparable.
Well I think both series will do well because SG-1 already has a big following, Atlantis looks very good from what I have read and seen. Specially the new wraith pic on gateworld. I think it would be unfair to suggest that TPTB are putting all the effort into Atlantis and in doing so ignoring the SG-1, of course they want Atlantis to be successful so they will put extra work into it but that does not mean they won’t put any “creators efforts” into SG-1.
Overall I think both series should be judged on there on merit rather then comparing it each other or any other series. To answer the original question I don’t think Atlantis will out shine SG-1 or the other way round.
I don't think Atlantis will 'overtake' Stargate straight away, I think the first season will have to be constructed very well in order for this to happen
However, I do think that Atlantis will get some great ratings
Off the topic a little...First, I think that they will be about the same...but they are quite different...S8 is going to be a another part in an ongoing story, which I liked S8 overall, where Atlantis has to not only suffer the "get off your feet" of a new show but even the needed basic explanation stuff of a new show...they will touch on basic gate stuff and basic...this is our new galaxy stuff...it will get better and eventually kind of run itself...I think that people are being too hard on SG-1...I think alot of what made S7 feel a little odd is that they didnt plan for it...They thought that S6 was it and then...oh, we got another season okay what do we do...this year will be better because they did have an idea that it was coming...and the off topic part....I think or hope that they do more "discovery of the past stuff"...I really liked the one where Daniel finds the fossils of old snakes...finding out the history of the Goa'ulds rise to power might be cool and I hope that they do it...anyway just rambling because I dont want to get back to work
Everybody should tune into both. Just because.
Id be more concerned with Atlantis being a flop, Like Highlander the raven.
Think about it, the bulk of people watching Atlantis will be people that already like SG-1. I think that people won't decide over which is better and just watch both.
I agree, the majority of SG-1 viewers will probably watch Atlantis as well. Although i do think SG-1's cast members do look and act better than the Atlantis cast (i've seen some of the Atlantis cast in some other movies/tv)...
I can't wait for both shows to premiere this July.
atlantis is new and fresh so im kinda hoping it does outshine s8, sg-1 is closing down (i think its hard to tell sometimes) so i think if atlantis hits the audience with the right impact there wont be a problem
2 points here.
firstly, i wouldn't be surprised if Atlantis outshines SG-1 this eyar due to all the new stuff, new enemies, new everything that will be introduced, and that newness will be what puts it on top. however, SG-1 will still be great and i think it's gonna be an exiting year, but you just can't say that you are more excited for SG-1s 8th season of the same format great quality episodes, then for something totally new and interesting.
second, on the Buffy 6/7 V Angel 3/4, i don't think you can compare them as they are totally different. Angel was great because seasons 3 and 4 of Angel told an epic story that brought the whole series and everything that had happened together, while Buffy 6 and 7 was good because season 6 was griity, and different, with the big bad being life itself and living in this world, while season 7 was buffy back to it's roots, with a high school, load of potentials, Dawn becoming likeable and a vampire with a soul around. They are both great for different reasons and they were both on a high.
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