a few questions about the goa'uld & harcesis...

[Greesha]

1. if a goa'uld or tok'ra had a child with a non-hosted human, would that child have any of the genetic memory, or does it only work when both parents have symbiotes?

2. would the child of a former host have any of the genetic memory? or does whatever makes that possible go away when the symbiote leaves?

3. if a tok'ra was pregnant, would the symbiote have to remain dormant? in other words, does the symbiote have to remain dormant because of the struggle for control between the host and the symbiote (as in a goa'uld), and since a tok'ra shares the body equally there would be no struggle so would it be a problem?

to my knowledge these have not been answered in the show, i was just wondering if anyone had any theories. no particular reason for these questions, just curiosity and boredom.

[SaberBlade]

1. if a goa'uld or tok'ra had a child with a non-hosted human, would that child have any of the genetic memory, or does it only work when both parents have symbiotes?


i think you only need 1 parent with a symbiote. only needing 1 symbiote would be a good reason for the Tok'ra not to have human kids even if they needed hosts in the future. 1 symbiote would be enough for the child to have full goa'uld knowledge


2. would the child of a former host have any of the genetic memory? or does whatever makes that possible go away when the symbiote leaves?

a former host only has fragments of memories not full memory so i don't see how a child would be effected because there is source for the memories to come from and there is no goa'uld to give the kid genetic memory


3. if a tok'ra was pregnant, would the symbiote have to remain dormant? in other words, does the symbiote have to remain dormant because of the struggle for control between the host and the symbiote (as in a goa'uld), and since a tok'ra shares the body equally there would be no struggle so would it be a problem?

the tok'ra would have to be dormant. both Tok'ra and Goa'uld are physically identical. since Amonet had to be dorment in Sha're the same would be said for the Goa'uld. if i remember right, when Amonet woke up she went into labor so her taking over caused the labor so the same would happen to the tok'ra

i think this is how it works out

[elhSG1]

I thought that both parents had to have symbiotes for the child to have all the knowledge of the goa'uld. Didn't Teal'c say that it's forbidden for two goa'ulds to have a child because that child would retain all the knowledge of the goa'uld? I could be wrong though.

[Mr Prophet]

A harcesis is described as the child of two Goa'uld hosts.

[Anubis]

A Gou'ald harsesis must be created with two bodies with a symbiote, otherwise it cannot be done

[Teal'c]

Symbiotes don't affect theor hosts DNA, so the former host's children wouldn't have any genetic memory.

[Livi2Jack]

I keep wondering about a possible inconsistency.

In Serpents Lair...Klorel says that Apophis is his father since he seeded the queen mother.

In Secrets, an Harsesis is the product of two goaulds making a human baby.

In Cure, the tokra queen does it all by herself.

In Jolinars Memories, Martouf explains that most goauld are neither sex assuming the gender of the host for personality purposes.

In Hathor, Hathor needs Daniel's DNA to make the primtah babies compatible with the host species.

In Evolution, Anubis has a queen spawning outside a host per the Pangera situation.

So, which is it? Or in what combination?

[priornavalperson]

I keep wondering about a possible inconsistency.

In Serpents Lair...Klorel says that Apophis is his father since he seeded the queen mother.

In Secrets, an Harsesis is the product of two goaulds making a human baby.

In Cure, the tokra queen does it all by herself.

In Jolinars Memories, Martouf explains that most goauld are neither sex assuming the gender of the host for personality purposes.

In Hathor, Hathor needs Daniel's DNA to make the primtah babies compatible with the host species.

In Evolution, Anubis has a queen spawning outside a host per the Pangera situation.

So, which is it? Or in what combination?A harcesis is when the host of a Gou'ald has a child by the host of another Goa'uld. A prim'tah, on the otherhand can be spawned by a Queen Goa'uld without any seeding, or it can be spawned by a Queen Goa'uld using genetic material from another member of the same species as the host, whether that species member is a host himself or not. The purpose of the genetic donation from the host species is to make it easier for resulting symbiote to blend with its host.

In the case of Queen Egeria, she was doing that because she knew her offspring in "Cure" were not going to have hosts. In the case of Anubis in Evolution II, the prim'tah were going to be implanted in an engineered host where the genetic similarity required was designed into the artificial host.

[nugglebugget]

:S ........and I thought explaining "Human" reproduction to my kids was complicated.....:S .

[elhSG1]

:S ........and I thought explaining "Human" reproduction to my kids was complicated.....:S .

LOL!!!!!! :D

[Mr Prophet]

When a Goa'uld Queen loves herself very much...

[Greesha]

When a Goa'uld Queen loves herself very much...

oh, dear.

[Jprime]

Also, in the first episode where Teal'c tells Danny boy about the Harcesis (i really suck at episode names) he says that the kid will have all the genetic knowlege of all previous goa'uld. This can't be possible since all goa'uld haven't passed thier DNA to a single mum (be that a Queen or a host)

[nugglebugget]

When a Goa'uld Queen loves herself very much...
LOL!
What do you mean "When"?A Goa'uld queen loves herself "all" the time.Being self involved is what being a Goa'uld is all about:D
You know,I'm suprised Goa'uld motherships don't have more[or any]mirrors.

[Jprime]

ermm...I think the jokes punchline was that commonly parents begin the "big talk" with thier kidlings they begin by saying, "when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much" so that the little guy doesn't get any ideas to test out his newfound knowledge at kindergarten... :rolleyes:

[KokiriChild]

yeah, the last thing you want is a kid asking to kawoosh someone's wormhole<-- text in white 'cause it's a bit rude ^_~

Anywho, the thing with the harsesis having all the knowledge of the previous Goa'uld would come from the queen spawning the symbiotes given to Apophis and Mrs Apophis, and them having a HUMAN child, the child would then retain 3 generations of knowledge. Assuming the queen was spawned from some other symbiote that'd be 4 generations. Assuming that queen came from somewhere else, that'd be 5 generations etc etc. As we don't know what went on in the past there's no way we could know exactly how much information the child would retain in it's genetic memory, but surely even 1 generation would give a HUGE tactical advantage!

[Mr Prophet]

The implication seems to be that the harcesis would have all the genetic memory of the Goa'uld preceding them in direct line. Shifu, had he remembered it, would have possessed Apophis' knowledge, Amaunet's knowledge, and all the knowledge of their parents, their parents parents and their parents parents parents.

They might also get the memories - or parts of the memories - of any symbiote their parents had ever eaten. I've long suspected that cannibalism is a way of absorbing the genetic memory of the victim.

[Jprime]

The implication seems to be that the harcesis would have all the genetic memory of the Goa'uld preceding them in direct line. Shifu, had he remembered it, would have possessed Apophis' knowledge, Amaunet's knowledge, and all the knowledge of their parents, their parents parents and their parents parents parents.

They might also get the memories - or parts of the memories - of any symbiote their parents had ever eaten. I've long suspected that cannibalism is a way of absorbing the genetic memory of the victim.

How did Hathor survive on earth for so long with no sarcophagus? Also, wouldnt her spawn be somewhat out of the loop if they're missing thousands of years worth of genetic knowlege?

[KokiriChild]

Maybe slightlyoutta the loop but still invaluable! She was trapped inside a sarcophagus in the Mayan tomb wasn't she?

[Mr Prophet]

She was indeed, but for plot reasons her sarcophagus ended up as collateral damage.

[Jafana]

She was indeed, but for plot reasons her sarcophagus ended up as collateral damage.
of course it did. how boring would it be if you knew that everytime someone got hurt, you could stick them in a box and make them all better again?

[Jprime]

But how could she be considered a god for all those cultures if she was stuck in the sarcophagus (i cant remember how old the mayans are). how did she get released (i watched this ep with the vacuum cleaner on)

[KokiriChild]

I could say something so derrogatory it's untrue - but I won't, I'm nice ^_^

Anyway, the ideas of Gods have been borrowed from other cultures, so if the Ancient Egyptians had a good of "Fertility, Ineibrity and Music", why shouldn't the Romans, etc etc

[Mr Prophet]

But how could she be considered a god for all those cultures if she was stuck in the sarcophagus (i cant remember how old the mayans are).

The Mayan urban civilisation only collapsed about 1100 years ago; new kids in town in the alien-influenced game.

[Jprime]

Ok im always confusing them with Aztecs, not oldsters themselves really

[Jprime]

And how did she get out of the sarcophagus (I seem to remember something about a team digging her up)?

[Mr Prophet]

And how did she get out of the sarcophagus (I seem to remember something about a team digging her up)?

A group of archaeologists disturbed the sarcophagus and it opened; then she killed them - presumably as a kind of stress relief thing - settled down, waited, then followed her sarcophagus until she was close enough to Cheyenne Mountain to sense the naquadah in the Stargate (or something like that).

[Livi2Jack]

When a Goa'uld Queen loves herself very much...
Thought you could go blind that way, lmao.

[KokiriChild]

hehehe, depends on the size of the kawoosh doesn't it?