Daniel Jackson Discussion and Appreciation

[Zadrak]

Daniel is my favourite character :)

Definitly bandana, Loved the long hair, but I'm okay with the short :) can't be playing with the beardy thing, tend to read J/D slash, but I'm open to Daniel/ Vala stuff, so Im hoping they pick that up on tv.

Fav ep: Need i think... but any that are especially Daniel orientated.
Fav quote:theres lots.. actually its the way he looks at things that make me laugh.. please.. Im in love with the glasses and eyebrows.

Got into stargate about 3 years ago, first ep I saw was the Gatekeeper, and how can you not fall for Daniel in that?

ok.. thats me done i think

OH And I love that he's super intelligent. (And Spader/Shanks aint that bad looking.. which helps ;))

xZx

[cindyz]

Morning! I have all but forgotten this thread...the search is our friend :P..

any way, I would like to see Daniel take some time and travel to the Pegasus galaxy, and explore the city of the Ancients....this would encompass both his linguistic skills and archeology skills...but then again, like someone said, it's not in the story line! POOH!

I felt that in last nights episode, Ethon, I saw some old style Daniel coming through...Daniel the mediator, the one who tries so valiently to make a difference on another world...remember in Fallen when Sam was telling Arun/Daniel that his one flaw was that if he couldn't help someone, it tore him apart? I saw that last night. something I had not seen in the stories for some time. pardon me if I can't quite explain what I mean...but it was good for me to see that side of Daniel again.

as for his looks, I got the thunk thread to express myself there!:P

[Frostfox]

I felt that in last nights episode, Ethon, I saw some old style Daniel coming through...Daniel the mediator, the one who tries so valiently to make a difference on another world...remember in Fallen when Sam was telling Arun/Daniel that his one flaw was that if he couldn't help someone, it tore him apart? I saw that last night. something I had not seen in the stories for some time. pardon me if I can't quite explain what I mean...but it was good for me to see that side of Daniel again.

as for his looks, I got the thunk thread to express myself there!:P

I loved him in last nightS episode, so very, very in character. I loved the anxious looks between all the members of the team about their predicament.
And we've discussed this before, it's not just the looks which are appealing, I find Daniel far more attractive than MS himself.

FF :nox:

[Daniel's shadow]

Ethon was a great episode and reaffirms me why I love the character so much.

The sadness and angst when Daniel found out what happened to Leda was papable. Daniel always remember the people who made an impact in his life.


The scenes of Daniel not being aware of his surroundings and retreating into himself in the jail cell when he thought his friends's fate with the demise of the Prometheus was obvious and typical of Daniel. He had internalised his grief to the point where he shuts everything out. Yet despite everything he is still trying to find a peaceful resolution to the the conflict. This is the Daniel I love. The compassionate, peace loving man who tries to see the best in people. The man who cares more for everyone else and who gives no thought to his own fate. This is why I appreciate this character.


I love the scene in the end with Daniel and Cameron. I think for the first time I see them not as collegues but as friends who actually understood each other. Especially when Daniel ask Cameron where did he go it reminded me of Daniel's and Jack's friendship.

A while back in this thread I asked about Daniel and the possiblilty of him taking over the SGC if it was to come into civilian control again and this episode gave me a glimpse of his style of leadership. This episodes depict that of all the people at the SGC he is the one with the conviction and status to do the right thing. To me the hesitation and indecision (understandably so at the time) of both colonels (Sam and Cameron) contributed to the loss of the Prometheus but it was Daniels actions, assertivenes and temporarily pulled them back from further tragedy.

Like Cameron said 76 people are alive not only because of Colonel Perdergrast's leadership but also Daniel's. What this actually shows is that throughout the whole episode Daniel is the only one who is strong enough to make the tough decisions. Daniel is authoratative and decisive and everything else and more that a leader should be. Hence more reasons for me to appreciate this incredible but very human character.

:daniel24: :daniel:

[1DanielForMe]

I just wish people would simply accept that Daniel's usually right. Why is is that other people almost never listen to him soon enough to prevent disaster of some sort? They certainly wouldn't have to choke down so much of that humble pie. :rolleyes:

[Daniel's shadow]

Like I said Ethon really demonstrated his leadership skills.

No flapping about and yapping around and those who saw the episode will know what I mean.

Daniel saw the situation and took charge to stop a volatile situation. In fact to me he was a brilliant tactician and strategist and more than often outshined the two colonels (Sam and Cameron) despite their military training. I guess that's what thinking outside the box will bring.

No indecisiveness but clear minded resolve to do what is right for everybody.

Ultimately it is Daniel's leadership that got people back to the SGC safely.

[1DanielForMe]

Well, Daniel's never one to be wishy washy when it comes to doing the right thing.

[Captain-Peregrine]

Okay, so I take back everything that I was thinking about Daniel. After seeing Ethon I realize that I was just being impatient. :D... should have known better. Where's the trust? lol

[1DanielForMe]

Indeed, I just wish his most recent display of "Daniel-ness" could have been less painful for me. :(

[SueS]

I felt that in last nights episode, Ethon, I saw some old style Daniel coming through...Daniel the mediator, the one who tries so valiently to make a difference on another world...

I was thinking about these skills of Daniel and wondering just where did these come from. As far as we know, Daniel has degrees in archeology, anthropology and linguistics. None of these really have much to do with conflict resolution (i.e. mediation) or a desire to make a difference in the world. The linguistics and the fact that he can speak over 25 languages allows him to be an interpreter, but an interpreter is not a negotiator. His degree in anthropology gives him an understanding of different cultures, but again this wouldn't necessarily mean he'd be able to resolve a conflict between two opposing cultures.

I suspect there are anthropologists and/or linguist on other teams who aren't called upon to mediate, but Daniel is. And rightly so, because he is a gifted mediator. But where did this gift come from? Is there anything in canon that suggests he has a degree or studied conflict resolution or some other related field, or is this just something he innately knows?

Also, his desire to make a difference in the world, to help people, is very evident. First of all, where do you think it comes from? Also, people with that kind of passion usually go into fields like medicine or psychology or counseling. Why do you think Daniel chose to major in archeology/anthropology where you remain an outside observer?


Just some food for thought.

[Captain-Peregrine]

I suspect there are anthropologists and/or linguist on other teams who aren't called upon to mediate, but Daniel is. And rightly so, because he is a gifted mediator. But where did this gift come from? Is there anything in canon that suggests he has a degree or studied conflict resolution or some other related field, or is this just something he innately knows?

I think that his desire to help and mediate is something that Daniel just innately posseses. But also it might have developed from his being in foster care for so long. Perhaps through all the passing around and in dealing with new situations he also had to deal with all sorts of new people and the only way you are really going to survive is if you make friends. And so Daniel, at a young age, probably developed this sense of diplomacy in order to try and make himself and those around him as comfortable as possible in an otherwise very uncomfortable situation.


Why do you think Daniel chose to major in archeology/anthropology where you remain an outside observer?

I think that has a lot to do with his parents. They both had a lot to do with archeology and anthropology and so maybe Daniel chose those fields in order to be closer to their memory. Also I think it all links back to the foster care thing. Yes, he may have developed a sense of diplomacy in order to keep himself safe, but I think he may have also developed a sense of self-preservation in staying outside of things. When you are outside of something, it is harder to get hurt by those inside. I think it's just Daniel's innate goodness that keeps bringing him back in.



Just some food for thought.


That's some good eating. :D

[Dani347]

Well, I'm sure they aren't totally accurate on the details. I mean, it seems that Daniel is just supposed to have a natural affinity for negotiating, rather than any formal training. I suppose that's possible. I mean, I'm guessing you would have to have that in the first place. But, probably in real life, you would also have to have training to go with the natural feel for it.

As far as his desire to help people I don't know that it necessarily has to come from somewhere. It could just be a trait that he was born with. If you want to go with the school of thought that said he had a rough childhood after his parents died, it could be that he has some knowledge of a rough life. It might also explain why he didn't choose a job like a counselor (and, maybe he just doesn't have the skills to be a doctor) or psychologist, because then he'd be immersed in other people's problems regularly. I mean, the fact that he does get so caught up might mean he needs to be able to pull back sometimes. Or, he could just be someone who helps when he can, but didn't choose a career on the basis of that.

Or, maybe he discovered his need to help people after he went through the Stargate and had to be a part of an uprising. He didn't have the archeological umbrella to stand under. He was a part of things. Not studying them.

But, I think he chose his professions mainly because of his interests. Not only does he have a desire to help, he also has a desire to understand. And, of course, there's the parental connection. It could be that he just wanted to carry on his parent's work, and found that he also took to it for himself. He could just have liked those courses in college, and thought that he would enjoy doing them on a regular basis as a career.

eta: Figures I'd run my mouth (fingers?) off, and someone else would say what I meant in a much more concise and less rambling manner.

[Traveler Enroute1]

I was thinking about these skills of Daniel and wondering just where did these come from. As far as we know, Daniel has degrees in archeology, anthropology and linguistics. None of these really have much to do with conflict resolution (i.e. mediation) or a desire to make a difference in the world. The linguistics and the fact that he can speak over 25 languages allows him to be an interpreter, but an interpreter is not a negotiator. His degree in anthropology gives him an understanding of different cultures, but again this wouldn't necessarily mean he'd be able to resolve a conflict between two opposing cultures.

I suspect there are anthropologists and/or linguist on other teams who aren't called upon to mediate, but Daniel is. And rightly so, because he is a gifted mediator. But where did this gift come from? Is there anything in canon that suggests he has a degree or studied conflict resolution or some other related field, or is this just something he innately knows?

Also, his desire to make a difference in the world, to help people, is very evident. First of all, where do you think it comes from? Also, people with that kind of passion usually go into fields like medicine or psychology or counseling. Why do you think Daniel chose to major in archeology/anthropology where you remain an outside observer?
Just some food for thought.


Interesting. Canon on this says Daniel Jackson “has a unique way of looking at the world” and that he is “often a moralist” (The GW Stargate Omnipedia). There may be other sources on this, though.

IMO, Daniel's talent for languages combined with his knowledge of archeology gave him a broad canvas of what the two fields mean to any society. He's studied civilizations that rose and fell, sometimes on the strength and weakness of words and misunderstandings of language. Because of his work with the Stargate it would be impossible to remain the outside observer he once was because all that ancient history is actually alive and has clues to saving earth in the present.

As for his desire to help, I look to his relationship with Sha’Re. If ever a talent for languages and civilization could help save lives, he went right to his calling. His life changed when he went to Abydos and met and married Sha’Re, and had her torn from him. Searching for her, Daniel encountered the closest thing to pure evil in the Goa’uld, and couldn’t ignore the plight of others so similar to his wife. Plus he had the advantage of being with dedicated soldiers like Jack O’Neill, Kawalski and his team, Samantha Carter and Teal’c when it comes to helping. I don’t think it came easy for Daniel to put his life on the line but it was obviously in him. My 2 coins on this, hope it makes sense. (Not a pun!!)

And if anyone knows of an episode where Daniel was tortured please let me know. I’ve only come up with “Fire and Water,” and he volunteered to undergo Nem’s painful memory extraction. . Need the reference for a fanfic, not ‘cause I’m whump-obsessed! Although…just kidding.

Just sayin’, cool discussion. :daniel: :)

[Margaret]

And if anyone knows of an episode where Daniel was tortured please let me know. I’ve only come up with “Fire and Water,” and he volunteered to undergo Nem’s painful memory extraction. . Need the reference for a fanfic, not ‘cause I’m whump-obsessed! Although…just kidding.

That would be in Evolution. And a little bit in Prometheus Unbound.

[Margaret]

Anthropology would certainly be a good discipline for studying conflict resolution. And linguists know something about how framing an issue affects people's perceptions. (Think for instance of the use of the word 'we' to signal either inclusion or exclusion.)

However, I don't think Daniel majored in either of these subdisciplines. I think his specialty is reading ancient texts. I think his ability to mediate comes from his ability to see other people's point of view sympathetically. And his desire to find a solution that will work well for everyone.

Basically, it's a brilliant mind coupled with a kind heart.

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I just loved Daniel in Ethon! ::happy sigh::

[Madeleine]

That would be in Evolution. And a little bit in Prometheus Unbound.

Was there any in The Devil You Know? or New Ground? Or was that just the others?

[Madeleine]

Also, his desire to make a difference in the world, to help people, is very evident. First of all, where do you think it comes from? Also, people with that kind of passion usually go into fields like medicine or psychology or counseling. Why do you think Daniel chose to major in archeology/anthropology where you remain an outside observer?




Good question. Here's my take on it.

I don't think pre-movie Daniel ever had a desire to make a difference in the world in the ethical or humanitarian sense, although he did seem to have a yearning to open the world's eyes to what he could see. (And he's always been fiercely moral in his Danielish way.)

I think it's his experiences on SG-1 that transmogrified his desire to inform the world into a desire to make a difference. He couldn't share his discoveries with his academic peers, and for the first time he was seeing that these discoveries went beyond academic success/faliure and the content of school textbooks to the actual survival or death of the planet, and he felt responsible (in the sense of it being caused by him) as the opener of the gate; and responsible (in the sense of it being his job to fix it) as a part of the SGC.

I don't think Daniel would have gone into counselling or medicine or anything like that. He's an obsessive type raised by practical archaeologists, and ancient history got its hook into him before anything else had a chance to. As his interactions with Sarah and Stephen showed, his interpersonal skills as a young man were less than they could have been. This may be a side-effect of fostering, or perhaps he just needed people like the Abydonians and the SGC crowd around him - living their lives pretty close-knit - to give him a chance to develop real relationships.

As for choosing a field where he is an outside observer, that may have been part of the attraction, especially when he was an orphaned youngster. Forgetting himself and immersing himself in stories of long ago would have had an appeal.

But anyway, he has always wanted to make a difference. It's just that as he has grown up and seen the things he's seen he's radically altered his idea of what sort of difference he needs to make, and of what he can do, what he [feels he] should be able to do and what he wants to do.

[Sprinkles]

Was there any in The Devil You Know? or New Ground? Or was that just the others?

The devil you know - he did get punched in the face when he provoked the big Jaffa and there was the same physiological torture they all received by being forced to drink the blood of Sokar and hallucinate

New Ground - although it isn't shown on screen I always thought they tortured him after they dragged him out to the DHD and demanded he tell them what it was, he looked very 'whipped' when they returned him to the cage and Sam asked if he was ok.

[SueS]

Good question. Here's my take on it.

I don't think pre-movie Daniel ever had a desire to make a difference in the world in the ethical or humanitarian sense, although he did seem to have a yearning to open the world's eyes to what he could see. (And he's always been fiercely moral in his Danielish way.)

I think it's his experiences on SG-1 that transmogrified his desire to inform the world into a desire to make a difference.

That's an interesting observation. I think it's also possible that he developed is counceling or mediation skills while on Abydos. In COTG, Daniel tells Jack, rather hesitantly, that the Abydonians treated him like a saviour after he and the others left. Daniel undoubtedly quickly dispelled that myth, but I would suspect that the people of Abydos looked to Daniel as a wise and knowledgeable man. Someone who they could go to with their problems. He could've also learned something about conflict resolution from the way the Abydonians dealt with conflict.

Even though Daniel has never had any formal training in conflict resolution, it seems to have become a very important part of who he is.


SueS

[Dani347]

That's an interesting observation. I think it's also possible that he developed is counceling or mediation skills while on Abydos. In COTG, Daniel tells Jack, rather hesitantly, that the Abydonians treated him like a saviour after he and the others left. Daniel undoubtedly quickly dispelled that myth, but I would suspect that the people of Abydos looked to Daniel as a wise and knowledgeable man. Someone who they could go to with their problems. He could've also learned something about conflict resolution from the way the Abydonians dealt with conflict.



SueS


I like that take on it. He might have thought of them as teachers while teaching them at the same time. He would have had to have gotten personally involved, instead of looking at things strictly from an academic standpoint. Especially if he was going to really live among them and not be treated like a savior. And, maybe Sha're helped, too. Perhaps her attitude of not making him out to be more than he was made her give him a figurative kick in the pants if he ever got too detached.

[off-world]

Hi, Everyone!

Don't want to interrupt - just doing a drive by. Looks like great discussions that will take me A LONG time to catch up on. Since I'm off to bed, I'll have to catch up someother time. But I did want to introduce myself.

Hi, I'm off-world, and I'm a GW and DJ addict.
Thank you.

[Dani347]

Maybe getting involved with others isn't a problem now, but we really don't know if that's something that was always part of his makeup, or if he learned to be more involved later on. I think there have to be certain aspects of Daniel that are the same now as they were when he was young, but also that some things have changed. Some aspects of him have evolved. We've seen the aspects that have evolved through 8 years with the Stargate program, and also his time being ascended. But, what's changed from Daniel the child to Daniel the adult? Or, Daniel the college student? Or Daniel a year before the events of the movie? And, that year on Abydos. Aside from the trauma of Sha're becoming a host, which would automatically do something to Daniel's psyche, was the Daniel that left Abydos the same one that had been there all year? Most likely not, by the mere token that it was a years worth of growth. But, what kind of growth?

These are some of the most interesting and frustrating things to wonder about for me, because right now, there really isn't an answer, unless the writers go into it. And, even then, to keep up the flow, they couldn't answer the questions in detail.

[1DanielForMe]

Well, I can't say from the movie, because to me, those are two completely different Daniels. I don't know how my Daniel handles things during that time on Abydos, but from CotG, and any clues given to his earlier life, he was certainly the sort of person who really cared about the people he was involved with. Certain experiences have made Daniel more likely to speak out, rather than let others handle things, and he's far more likely to risk his life for strangers these days, but it definitely seems to me as though he's always had that thoughtfulness for those he's been personally involved with in one way or another, even if he needed to do some more growing, as it were, before his overall empathetic nature came through.

[Dani347]

Well, I can't say from the movie, because to me, those are two completely different Daniels. I don't know how my Daniel handles things during that time on Abydos, but from CotG, and any clues given to his earlier life, he was certainly the sort of person who really cared about the people he was involved with. Certain experiences have made Daniel more likely to speak out, rather than let others handle things, and he's far more likely to risk his life for strangers these days, but it definitely seems to me as though he's always had that thoughtfulness for those he's been personally involved with in one way or another, even if he needed to do some more growing, as it were, before his overall empathetic nature came through.

I think you're misunderstanding my use of the word detached. I don't mean that he didn't care or wasn't always thoughtful -especially for those people he was personally involved with. But, at what point did he become the person who would take action and become hurt (and I'm thinking emotionally, although physically certainly applies) for strangers? I'm not expecting an answer, unless someone wants to speculate and take a whack at it.

From my limited understanding of archeology, it is a profession where you do have a certain detachment in you're actions. You go on digs, you dig up stuff, you study, and other stuff that's more complicated I'm sure than I'm making it sound, but you don't get actively involved with the people. I may be stating it wrong, or I just might be wrong altogether. The job and I suppose anthropology lets you live among the people but not as one of them. You're not actively involved like one of the people. So, I think he always cared, but maybe on Abydos he felt he could only take action up to a point in family squabbles or squabbles and more serious problems between other Abydonians because it wasn't his place, and maybe Sha're had to push him into knowing that it was his place and he was a part of them so he could be more actively involved.

And, I could be totally wrong, too.

[Madeleine]

I think you're misunderstanding my use of the word detached. I don't mean that he didn't care or wasn't always thoughtful -especially for those people he was personally involved with. But, at what point did he become the person who would take action and become hurt (and I'm thinking emotionally, although physically certainly applies) for strangers?

Oddly the 'physically' is easier to answer - he stood in front of Jack and took a shot for him. But the emotional involvement... maybe he was always prone to getting emotionally involved, but the Ivory Tower side of him mitigated against that. From the flashbacks to his academic days we can see that getting Daniel to notice a problem might have been pretty hard in itself.

Then he went to Abydos, and everyone lived in tents with thin walls and life would have involved much more closeness to other people; but also he'd have found the archaeology, the anthropology and ordinary daily life all merging into each other. Over the course of the first series and later ones too we often see Daniel start off detatched and academic, but change and become people-focussed as soon as he actually gets to meet the locals.

Bit of a ramble there. Basically I think staying on Abydos facillitated the emergence of a side of Daniel that he'd had little cause to use, and also gave him some ability (albeit in need of a fair bit of refinement) to handle the situations

[1DanielForMe]

That's what I'm saying, that he originally was more prone to caring for only those who he became close to. Indeed, we see that his studies often inhibited him from spending more time with others, but it was a choice he made, to concentrate on academics rather than friendship and the like, but I feel you can see he was not always happy with this choice. Daniel is not naturally the sort of person who can be easily objective, and certainly, those he did become close to at one point or another, were considered by him, even if his ultimate decision to focus on his studies implies a lack of interest in those individuals. Daniel didn't want people to think he didn't care, certainly, but he knew that in order to fully succeed in college, it was necessary for him to spend more time squarely at the books, and less time casually with friends.

[1DanielForMe]

Right, is there anyone else left out there who'd rather actually talk about Daniel than gawk at him? C’m’on, people. I won't let this thread die. Okay, topic: Daniel and Dr. Lee. How do you think their relationship (and I mean that platonically) has changed since they first met? Me? It's pretty apparent that Daniel's confidence in Dr. Lee has waned quite a bit since they first met, and wanes even more after every absent-minded fiasco. I'm sure he feels Sam would be able to handle the job a lot better. Daniel shows a lot of impatience with Dr. Lee, and he doesn't do that unless he's annoyed with someone, or perhaps something. I think he's basically annoyed with Dr. Lee most, if not all of the time, because he never seems to be able to actually accomplish anything, just make things worse, that's not to say that he's not a cool character, and I probably have a bit more patience when it comes to that sort of thing, but I certainly see where Daniel is coming from, especially considering the latest fiasco. Here poor Daniel is thinking he'd been too hard on Dr. Lee, when it turns out he'd bumbled yet again!

[Daniel's shadow]

To be honest I think it goes back to what we have talked about before how much Daniel trust the person. You can tell when he says "Bill I'll never doubt you again". I think he realises and knows that people makes mistakes and he can lived with that. It's when he cannnot trust them that's when he gets annoyed when they failed him. At this point there's 3 people he can truly trust - Sam, Teal'c and Jack.

:daniel: :D

[Madeleine]

I think he and Bill had a nice relationship in Evolution. It was a change for Daniel to be the savvy, worldly one and to be shepherding a greenie about.

What eps since then have had much Daniel/Bill interaction? I'm a bit stumped i'm afraid.

[Katerine]

I can just think of one, off the top of my head:

(The Ties That Bind, from memory - I enjoyed this scene :) )

Vala: This is a complete waste of time.
Daniel: Do me a favor - shut up.
Vala: I'm being serious. He has no idea what he's doing.
Lee: I'm standing right here.
Daniel: Look, I know we're scraping the bottom of the barrel here [Lee looks at Daniel, scandalized], but it's not like we've got a lot of choice, unless you happen to know somebody else who understands this technology. [pause] You know someone? Someone who can help us?
Vala: No. And... yes.
[Daniel removes the equipment Dr. Lee was using to monitor them and stands.]
Lee: Hey! I'm not finished!
Daniel [to Vala]: Who?
Vala: Someone who studied the bracelets at one point.
Daniel: Well, let's go see him!
Vala: Out of the question!
Daniel: Why?
Vala: I'd rather not say.
Daniel: He's the guy you stole the bracelets from, right?
Vala: How dare you insinuate that I acquired those bracelets through anything but honest means?! I may have a less than... perfect reputation, but -
Daniel: YOU TOLD ME YOU STOLE THEM!
[pause]
Vala: Did I?
Daniel: Yes!
Vala: Oh. Well, no matter. He won't help us.
Daniel: Correction - he won't help you.
Vala: Fine. But if we're going, we're going to need a change of clothes.
Daniel: Fine. [storms out, past Lee, apparently without noticing his presence]
Vala [to Lee]: Fine.

I just interpreted this scene to mean that Daniel was just so preoccupied with Vala, who drives him nuts, that he just didn't have the time or the mental resources to be his usual considerate self.

ETA: Oh, and there's the scene in Avalon where Lee is trying to remove the bracelet, and Daniel is clearly trying to stop himself from venting his anger toward Vala. But once again, I just figured Daniel was in a really bad mood, and Lee happened to be there. Nothing against Lee personally.

[Dani347]

To be honest I think it goes back to what we have talked about before how much Daniel trust the person. You can tell when he says "Bill I'll never doubt you again". I think he realises and knows that people makes mistakes and he can lived with that. It's when he cannnot trust them that's when he gets annoyed when they failed him. At this point there's 3 people he can truly trust - Sam, Teal'c and Jack.

:daniel: :D

I don't think Daniel has a problem trusting that Dr. Lee has the best of intentions. He trusts him as a person. But, he doesn't always trust his ability.

[Captain-Peregrine]

Besides, when Jackson has to trust someone else's abilities besides his own or one of his team member's it is usually because they are already in a bad spot and anyone would be a bit snippy in a situation like that. :D lol

[Dani347]

True. Some of the circumstances Daniel gets in makes his somewhat snippy reactions understandable.

[Madeleine]

I've now seen Arthur's Mantle, and didn't think Daniel was particularly snippy to Bill, although he did seem to be putting him down a (tiny) bit. But given what they went through together in s7 and that they've spent a lot of time together I think it's the sort of teasing thing that friends do. Bill didn't seem hurt by it.

[Sprinkles]

I've now seen Arthur's Mantle, and didn't think Daniel was particularly snippy to Bill, although he did seem to be putting him down a (tiny) bit. But given what they went through together in s7 and that they've spent a lot of time together I think it's the sort of teasing thing that friends do. Bill didn't seem hurt by it.

I've just seen this episode also and perhaps it's just me but did Daniel seem alittle out of character to anyone? I wasn't sure about his reaction to being praised, is it because now he's more confident he can accept it more easily but before he would be embarrassed and wouldn't think he deserved it?

[Captain-Peregrine]

Maybe Oma finally changed his mind on that one. He's been ascended twice now and the first time Oma told him that the only way he could do it was be believing that HE deserved it. So maybe it's finally sinking in that he really IS a good man and he is coming to accept it. And it's not like it's going to his head. I think it still sorta embarresses him, but now he knows that he is needed and he has something to contribute, just like everyone else.

[Dani347]

I've never really seen Daniel as overly modest about his abilities. I don't think it was a change for him to be able to accept that he was able to fix the problem using his ability to read Ancient.

As far as his ascension, I think he didn't think he was good enough in a moral sense. And, not even that he was bad, but at that time, it seemed that you had to be super special good. And, Daniel knew that he was human, he had flaws, he had failed (in his mind) at times. So, he didn't think he was really good enough in that respect. But, good enough as a linguist? I think he's always had confidence in that. Or an archeologist if the problem would have been solved that way.

[Captain-Peregrine]

Yeah, I get what you're saying. KNowing you are good doesn't mean that you're full of yourself. :D

[1DanielForMe]

One thing Daniel is not is full of himself. If anything, he's too modest!

[Dani347]

I really don't find Daniel all that modest. I mean, too modest. He's not a braggart, but I think he has a healthy amount of confidence. I can't imagine he would be able to go up against all the people/creatures he's gone up against, as well as argued his position so feverently without it.

[Dani347]

Okay, when I said too modest (and this is my interpretation of the phrase, not saying this is what anyone else meant) I meant I don't see Daniel as this shrinking violet who goes, "goodness me, why would anyone see any good in me or believe I had anything to offer?" I think the reason he didn't take credit for his work when he was ascended was because he was breaking the rules. He had to circumvent them, so it wouldn't be very smart to say he had. I think if the situation warranted someone giving him credit and it wasn't dangerous to accept it, he would graciously accept the credit. And, like I said, I don't think he's a braggart, but I don't think someone who is too modest would get miffed when the Russian lady (Daria?) told him that they'd better speak English. Can't remember the episode. His expression (doing this without rewatching) seemed to say, "Wait. I may not sound like a natibe of Moscow, but I thought my Russian was pretty good."

I think, again using my definition of the phrase, that it is a bad thing to be too modest. Because I think people need a healthy confidence in themselves. Which I think Daniel has.

[1DanielForMe]

Personally, I see a difference between confidence and immodesty. Daniel is confident in that he's not afraid to speak out when he knows he's right, but after it's all over, and he's saved the day yet again, he doesn't toot his own horn about it. In fact, there are times (such as when he was ascended and helped Jack and Teal'c) when he doesn't even accept credit. That, to me, says that he's modest.
Also, when I say that I think he's too modest, I don't actually mean that I want him to change.
I mean, it would be fine if he did, I love him no matter what, as long as he isn't pompous and junk (not that I see that happening again, seeing as how he'll probably never even go near another sarcophagus, of course, then he isn't really Daniel anymore, so there you go).

[Dani347]

Hey! I love Daniel!, wasn't your last post in between the last two posts I made back to back, or am I going crazy? I was about to respond to it, and then I realised I already had responded, but it looks like mine came first.

[Sprinkles]

Okay, when I said too modest (and this is my interpretation of the phrase, not saying this is what anyone else meant) I meant I don't see Daniel as this shrinking violet who goes, "goodness me, why would anyone see any good in me or believe I had anything to offer?" I think the reason he didn't take credit for his work when he was ascended was because he was breaking the rules. He had to circumvent them, so it wouldn't be very smart to say he had. I think if the situation warranted someone giving him credit and it wasn't dangerous to accept it, he would graciously accept the credit.


I saw it that way too, athough I wonder at the end of Threads, when Teal'c says something like 'General O'Neill believes that Daniel Jackson is responsible' (for anubis's defeat) and Daniel pipes up from Jack's office 'It wasn't me'. I guess it's the fact that he actually seems to claim no responsibility for Anubis's defeat, he wasn't 'directly' responsible, but Oma wouldn't have acted without his urging and inspiration, even at this point in his life, to be self effacing not acknowledging or realising the difference he has made (if that makes sense :) )


And, like I said, I don't think he's a braggart, but I don't think someone who is too modest would get miffed when the Russian lady (Daria?) told him that they'd better speak English. Can't remember the episode. His expression (doing this without rewatching) seemed to say, "Wait. I may not sound like a natibe of Moscow, but I thought my Russian was pretty good.".

I think when it comes to book smarts he certainly dose have pride in his work. In 'The Serpents Vemon' when he and Sam are trying to reprogram the 'space mine' and something gose wrong, at one point Sam tries to take his book from him and he firmly takes pulls it back as if to say 'hey, I know what I'm talking about, your not going to understand better than I am'. This is a perfectly reasonable response, he's not overly modest, he knows what he knows.


I think, again using my definition of the phrase, that it is a bad thing to be too modest. Because I think people need a healthy confidence in themselves. Which I think Daniel has.

I agree and I love that about his character, he's confident when he needs to be i.e. to get the job done but not in a way that would put him above anyone else.

[Royal_Nonesuch]

I just wanted to drop in and add a few comments about Daniel. I also wanted to mention how impressed I am with the discussion here--it's very insightful.

I really have just started watchign SG-1, but Daniel has quickly become my favorite character. I love his with, intelligence and dedication. He seems to be the moral center of the SG-1 team and that is a hugely important role. Not to mention his undeniable good looks!

One of the first eps I saw with him, "New Order" was very enjoyable. I was surprised how cooperative he was with Weir--he is clearly a diplomatic guy. However, he isn't willing to compromise his beliefs which is refreshing. I think your discussion of his modesty is quite interesting in connection with his steadfast resolve. I haven't seen nearly enough eps to make a decision on teh matter, but to me it seems that Daniel can be aggressive when defending what he knows to be right. He also has a confidence in his obvious abilities without going "McKay" on everyone (I don't think the universe is big enough for two McKays lol).

Later all, happy discussinng,

Royal

[Dani347]

Welcome, Royal. Daniel can be very aggressive, true. When he comes up against injustice or when he feels people aren't doing the right thing, he can be a "pain in the ass"

Come back soon.

[1DanielForMe]

True. I love his tenacity!

I just wanted to drop in and add a few comments about Daniel. I also wanted to mention how impressed I am with the discussion here--it's very insightful.Indeed. I greatly appreciate the fact that there are a number of Daniel fans besides myself who truly care about the character, not simply his looks.

[Frostfox]

True. I love his tenacity!
Indeed. I greatly appreciate the fact that there are a number of Daniel fans besides myself who truly care about the character, not simply his looks.

Oh, I love his character as much or more than the body.
I know this because I don't find Michael Shanks anywhere near as sexy as Daniel.

FF :nox:

[Captain-Peregrine]

I definately love Daniel more for his mind then for his good looks. He certainly has the best blue eyes in the world, but it is his personality that I love. And it is for his personality that I will always love. And there's that smile which is sort of like a split between both his personality and his good looks because that smile is beautiful, but in conveys so much of what is in his mind.

[1DanielForMe]

Exactly! That's why I can't understand when someone prefers when he's evil. I mean, he's not even actually Daniel then.

[Captain-Peregrine]

Well... then it's sorta due to the sexiness of the man--plus you appreciate the REAL Daniel so much more when he is good again. Then you go, "Oh, man, that guy is so much hotter when he's nice and not trying to hurt me! Because then he's really sweet." :D Or something like that... sorry, it's late. I should go to bed. lol

[Dani347]

It's sad that this thread has so little activity. There has to be enough stuff to talk and talk and talk about when it comes to this man. We've got 8 years worth of things, not to mention specs about his time before we knew him. So, anyone got any questions, speculations, anything?

[cindyz]

well, I for one have to have really something big and interesting to say about the character Daniel...so...that's why I just stick to the Daniel THunk Thread! cuz I like to look and not talk! maybe it's cuz I am shallow?:P

[quasar]

You may find this hard to believe, but I didn't even notice how good looking Daniel was when I first started watching Stargate. There are lots of good looking actors on TV. It wasn't until I got to know the character and the wonderful way Michael Shanks portrayed Daniel, that I became so fascinated with him. I love the way Daniel looks at the world, how he reacts, his mannerisms, etc. All the little details Michael puts into bringing Daniel to life makes the character so appealing.
There are many shows that I don't watch even though they have great looking stars. I watch Stargate because I find the character of Daniel so attractive, and I'm not speaking of his looks, but rather his essence.

[GateWarrior]

You may find this hard to believe, but I didn't even notice how good looking Daniel was when I first started watching Stargate. There are lots of good looking actors on TV. It wasn't until I got to know the character and the wonderful way Michael Shanks portrayed Daniel, that I became so fascinated with him. I love the way Daniel looks at the world, how he reacts, his mannerisms, etc. All the little details Michael puts into bringing Daniel to life makes the character so appealing.
There are many shows that I don't watch even though they have great looking stars. I watch Stargate because I find the character of Daniel so attractive, and I'm not speaking of his looks, but rather his essence.

OMG, this is soooo totally OT, but Fond Du Lac?! *waves* I'm in Racine. Howdy neighbor (-ish :p). :D

I also have to admit to a similar thing. When I first saw the show I wasn't overly impressed. *hides* I honestly thought it had been cancelled at one time because of the way it was shown on a local TV station here. It wasn't until much later, when it came to Skiffy, that I discovered I had been mistaken about so many things. (For the record, when Stargate was on Showtime, I didn't have cable. It wasn't until it came to Skiffy that I finally had cable. Sad. I know.) I also had so much to re-watch & catch up on at that time. It wasn't until I got my computer (almost 2 years ago), that I discovered GateWorld. Unfortunately by that time, I had to sacrifice my cable to the "Education Gods". So I missed all of season 8. Once GW fueled my obsession to historic proportions, I had a friend tape the s8 marathon, & then I drove 40 minutes to my brother's house every Friday to watch Stargate (& SGA & BSG too). So let's see, sporatic watching for s1-s5, saw s6 & s7 on Skiffy, missed s8, & saw all of s9. (Of course, at present, I've watched every single ep at least a half dozen times.) Anyhoo...

When I first started watching Stargate, I initially came to see RDA, because I adored MacGuyver when I was a kid. But... once I saw Daniel (MS)... it was all over for RDA. Don't get me wrong, I love the character of Jack, but Daniel is so much more my "cup of tea". One, I have a serious weakness for men with blue eyes (every BF I've ever had has had blue eyes). Two, I also have a serious weakness for intelligent men (unfortunately not all of my BF's have been :p). Three, I melt like I-Can't-Belive-It's-Not-Butter for guys who aren't considered "typical guys". Daniel fits all those criteria in spades, & more.

*ug* I was gonna ramble on more, but it's gone & gotten late on me. Gotta go to bed now. Hope at least some of that made sense to someone. ;) Nite. I'll try to make more sense another day. :P

[Dani347]

Well, I've told this story before, but I already knew about Daniel when I first started watching. I watched on the recommendation of a friend. I wonder how long I would have taken to notice Daniel (as a character and physically) if I wasn't preconditioned to before I ever started.

Funny, the only actor I knew on the show when I watched was RDA (Magyver fan, right here), and I think at least my mother still believes he was the draw when I started watching Stargate.

[Mr_Fantastic]

Greetings, I am new to the boards. Glad I found 'em. Please forgive any newbish mistakes. I am aware that Daniel Jackson is the best character on the show, and I wish to share my views. I haven't seen every episode of the show yet (but I'm damn tryin hard lol). Talk to y'all later!:daniel: I'll be back to discuss more of the deeper aspects of Daniel's character (after I finish watching my season 5 dvds today lol)

[Dani347]

Yes, please. All you new people who are just discovering Daniel, come back and share your observations. And, don't worry if what you say has already been said, because I'm sure you'll have a different way of saying it or a new perspective.

[Sprinkles]

You may find this hard to believe, but I didn't even notice how good looking Daniel was when I first started watching Stargate. There are lots of good looking actors on TV. It wasn't until I got to know the character and the wonderful way Michael Shanks portrayed Daniel, that I became so fascinated with him. I love the way Daniel looks at the world, how he reacts, his mannerisms, etc. All the little details Michael puts into bringing Daniel to life makes the character so appealing.
There are many shows that I don't watch even though they have great looking stars. I watch Stargate because I find the character of Daniel so attractive, and I'm not speaking of his looks, but rather his essence.

I can relate to this except that after watching the movie and loving the Daniel Jackson 'character' so much (I wasn't physically attracted to the James Spader) I tuned in to watch the pilot episode and low and behold there was Daniel Jackson flesh again and Michael Shanks made it so easy to believe it was him. I was hooked, with my appreciation for character growing ever since :).

It's interesting to add that I honestly didn't know who RDA was before Stargate SG1 ( I must have must have been out when MaGyver was airing I guess :o), it didn't mean I didn't appreciate him any less, I just didn't have a reason to put him on any kind of pedastal before this show and it put both characters on equal footing with me. I'm not trying to compair the two characters here I'm just wondering if it would have made any difference if I had known who RDA before starting to watch the show.

[Cherriey]

I would like to take this opportunity to quote the wise words of Peter Deluise on the subject of Daniel. *ahem* "Daniel Jackson is a mystery wrapped in an enigma that walks around in a circle with a riddle." Rock on, Peter. =0)

[haley_of_chulak]

Yes, please. All you new people who are just discovering Daniel, come back and share your observations. And, don't worry if what you say has already been said, because I'm sure you'll have a different way of saying it or a new perspective.

I actually do not remember when I first became attracted to him. I started watching stargate probably this past fall, anyway I wasn't even aware of the actual movie until my brother pointed it out when I was half way through the first season! *ahem* Off track a bit there.

I agree with what most of said on this page (didn't go through all the pages), it was not so much Michael Shanks I was attracted to. I love them both though now that I've read articles on Michael and seen him on the behind the scenes, but anyway Daniel is just an awesome person. He's open minded, he stands up for what he thinks is right, he's just this character who has this personality that is contagious! When he smiles or laughs you can't help but laugh with him.

I do have to admit, I was also attracted to Michael Shanks in the physical sense (but you can't help it!) But once you get to know his character it's just all around love. I watch stargate just to watch him, I swear. I just cannot imagine the show without him, or another actor playing Daniel. Michael Shanks does such a wonderful job, I am just so glad that the show went the way it did, because without Daniel Jackson or Michael Shanks, I'm not sure where it would be right now.

Woops, little longer than I thought it would be..

[eri-chan]

dont have much to say... but just that daniel is my all time fave sg character :daniel: he was the first character i liked when i first glimpsed at the tv series and still is. imo he's the hottest too :danielanime13:

theres so much about the man to discuss so i wouldnt know where to start... hmm i like daniel more than ms... dont really know too much about ms (only seen stuff about him from the dvd boxsets) but id like to meet him some day.

[Mr_Fantastic]

I think it is impossible to seperate MS from Daniel at this point. MS has made Daniel a part of himself, and he would be the first to admit that. The character of Daniel has changed over the years. For example, MS points to when he cut his hair as the point when Daniel became more MS. Daniel has even seeped into MS' other roles, like his performance in Swarmed.

[haley_of_chulak]

I think it is impossible to seperate MS from Daniel at this point. MS has made Daniel a part of himself, and he would be the first to admit that. The character of Daniel has changed over the years. For example, MS points to when he cut his hair as the point when Daniel became more MS. Daniel has even seeped into MS' other roles, like his performance in Swarmed.

I completely agree. I didn't see swarmed, but I wanted to just because MS was in it, haha. Daniel is just an awesome character. I'm not sure I've ever seen a show that I've liked a character better than Daniel.

[Dani347]

Well, I hope MS and Daniel aren't interchangeable, or it might hurt him getting acting jobs in the long run. I'd like to think he can be versatile.

Do you agree with the quote Cherriey put up? Is Daniel a mystery? (snipping full quote) If so, in what ways? If he is, it's pretty interesting considering he's a communicator.

[Mr_Fantastic]

With regards to Daniel being a mystery, I agree, but that is not a main aspect of the character. Plus, when you are talking about characters, it's hard to disagree with Peter Deluise. I would like to see more of Daniel's personal life come out in S10, if only to help unwrap some of the layers of his character.

[Dani347]

I don't find it hard to disagree with him. I'm not saying I disagree with him now, I really don't know if I would call Daniel a mystery or not. But, I see that as an opinion rather than a fact. What Peter Deluise sees as mysterious may not be what I see as mysterious. And, I wonder does he mean that he finds Daniel mysterious and has difficulty understanding him when he's writing, or does he try to write Daniel as having an air of mystery within the show? I'm going to guess that mysterious might mean that there's a side of Daniel that people don't see, or that he's not really open about himself. But, I'm still not sure that I see that in his character.

[Sprinkles]

I always thought PD was refering to Daniels ascension and return (he says the 'mystery - enigma' line in the lowdown for season 7 I think). I assumed he said it because he was unable to relate to Daniel in a 'normal' way after the character had been through the experience of ascension and descension.

Personally I don't want Daniel to be seen as a omnipresent super being but rather as a normal person in extrodinary circumstances doing his best to beat the odds in his 'unique' Daniel way ;) There's always been a vunrability to Daniel thats never dissapeared and IMO never should.

[Dani347]

Personally I don't want Daniel to be seen as a omnipresent super being but rather as a normal person in extrodinary circumstances doing his best to beat the odds in his 'unique' Daniel way ;)

I agree. Something like Reckoning 2 was great for a one time thing, but I want him to use his skills as a person, for the most part, rather than a superhero. I mean, Daniel doesn't need to be some powerful otherworldly being or have supernatural skills to be valuable or vital to humanity.

[Mr_Fantastic]

I think that Daniel's vulnerability is a keystone to his character. I hope that PD was not intending on stressing his abilities to ascend and become a super being again. I like Daniel the way he is. Human and not invincible.

[ImaginaryGoddess]

Hey, I love this thread. Been reading it for AGES.

I just wanted to ask what people thought of "Fire and Water" where Nem (the fish guy hehe) tells Daniel that he picked him to ask the questions because "you are oldest". I wonder why he considered him to be 'older' than the others. I like to think that Nem saw a kind of wisdom and emotional maturity in Daniel's eyes. Like he was more evolved than the others. :)

What do the rest of you think?

Oh, oh... and I haven't checked it recently but when Lya says something like "you still have not learned anything" and then goes on to say "But you have" is she referring to the Tollans or Daniel? Some people think she was talking to Daniel but perhaps she meant the Tollans because they have that technically enlightened frame of mind where they won't give 'inferior' beings technology for which they're not ready.

Hope I make sense... it's 3am. :)

Minty

[Dani347]

Hey, I love this thread. Been reading it for AGES.

I just wanted to ask what people thought of "Fire and Water" where Nem (the fish guy hehe) tells Daniel that he picked him to ask the questions because "you are oldest". I wonder why he considered him to be 'older' than the others. I like to think that Nem saw a kind of wisdom and emotional maturity in Daniel's eyes. Like he was more evolved than the others. :)

Hmm, I've never really thought about it. It might have been that, or it could be that he saw that Daniel had a lot of knowledge about ancient civilizations. How he knew that, I don't know, but he must have sensed something.


Oh, oh... and I haven't checked it recently but when Lya says something like "you still have not learned anything" and then goes on to say "But you have" is she referring to the Tollans or Daniel? Some people think she was talking to Daniel but perhaps she meant the Tollans because they have that technically enlightened frame of mind where they won't give 'inferior' beings technology for which they're not ready.

I think she meant Daniel. I would assume that the Tollans would already be at the level of the Nox, so they would already have learned long before. But, Daniel was "young" (interesting that the Nox saw him as young, and Nem saw him as old) so he needed to learn, and Lya saw that he had.

[Captain-Peregrine]

I think Daniel is usually the one to be doing the learning--learning from his mistakes and learning from his expieriences. I believe that makes him both young and old--young because he will always be learning, old because he is wise beyond what he knows.

[Mickey23]

Hey Everybody!
I just happened across this discussion and wanted to come in and say Hi! I love the Daniel Jackson character, love how he interacts with others, has stayed moral throughout the years, but also knows how to handle himself a bit with weapons and tactics (he has to have learned a little bit in the last 10 years!). Yada, yada. But all the supposed insightful comments I was going to make have already been said many times over here (although there is no way I could read [I]all[I] the previous posts). So I just wanted to say that I agree with the people here about DJ and I look forward to reading more.

BTW: MS's blue eyes- all I can say is WOW!

[Captain-Peregrine]

Welcome and you are more than welcome to add to any insightful comments. We love to discuss.

And I think we all agree about the blue eyes... lol :D

[Dani347]

but also knows how to handle himself a bit with weapons and tactics (he has to have learned a little bit in the last 10 years!).

Hi. You know, your comment is why I don't understand some of the criticisms about Daniel's skills with weapons. I mean, there have been some times (season 7) when I felt they were making Daniel too much of a soldier, but not because he was skilled and could shoot, or that he carried a gun. I mean, he'd be a liability if he couldn't and didn't. I felt that way because they rarely showed him using the skills he originated with (archeology and linguistics). But, I don't think there's anything wrong with Daniel becoming more skilled. In fact, I think it would be wrong if he didn't. He's had 8 years of on the job training. He'd be pretty slow if he didn't learn.

[Mickey23]

Hey! I agree with you that there is nothing wrong with Daniel becoming more proficient with firearms and skilled overall. It would be pretty dumb if here were still the Daniel of first season or really meant it when he asked "which end the bullets go" (while holding up a knife ;) ). I am sure Jack would have made him learn (remember how he drilled Jonas over and over on how to load a gun in "Unnatural Selection"). It just adds another layer to his character that he can use his skills with languages, culture and archeology and turn around and shoot his P-90. But I also agree they can take it too far overboard.
Let's hope they keep up a good balance in Season 10!

[Mr_Fantastic]

I for one vote for MORE firearms and all around action for Daniel in S10!:daniel:

[Dani347]

Ah, I have to vote opposite. Like I said, I can't understand criticisms that seem to be against the fact that Daniel isn't dropping his gun and shooting himself in the foot in every episode, but I'm not a fan of Action!Jackson. If it's necessary for him to use a gun, fine. Use a gun, be proficient at it. But, I'd rather they give him an ample amount of stories where he uses his brains and his cultural/linguistic/people skills to solve the problems. Besides, jumping into the shallow pool for a second, I happen to find geeks incredibly sexy.

[1DanielForMe]

As long as Daniel remains Daniel, it's fine with me. I'm never one to retreat to the shallow end, and I think merely showing Daniel wielding a gun and shooting up the bad guys greatly sways that way. Honestly, he's a much better lover than he is a fighter anyway, not that I mind seeing him in battle, I mean, it seems to me that we're still getting to see him in a fair amount of intellectual situations.

[Mr_Fantastic]

I heard that Daniel is going to guest star in a S3 episode of SGA. This introduces a whole new problem for Daniel. Should he leave SG-1 and become a regular on Atlantis, or stay on earth and help SGC. Any thoughts?

[Dani347]

No comments on the storyline. But, strictly from a viewer perspective, I'd rather he stay at the SGC, because I don't watch Atlantis.

[Mickey23]

I really hope Daniel stays on SG-1 because that is where he fits best. He is the (Earth's) resident expert on all things Ancient, as well as a fantastic linguist and archeologist that it would be shame for Earth to lose. Of course it makes sense that he would go to Atlantis at least once, because that is basically his dream, but like O'Neill told Weir in Rising, we need Daniel here.
Also, it wouldn't be fair to Atlantis for Daniel to go over to Atlantis and just take over being the guy that knows it all about the Ancients, both for the characters and the show. Cuz where would that leave them?
So maybe when (if) SG-1 ever goes off the air, he will be able to visit now and then, give his input and learn more.

[Mr_Fantastic]

I really hope Daniel stays on SG-1 because that is where he fits best. He is the (Earth's) resident expert on all things Ancient, as well as a fantastic linguist and archeologist that it would be shame for Earth to lose. Of course it makes sense that he would go to Atlantis at least once, because that is basically his dream, but like O'Neill told Weir in Rising, we need Daniel here.
Also, it wouldn't be fair to Atlantis for Daniel to go over to Atlantis and just take over being the guy that knows it all about the Ancients, both for the characters and the show. Cuz where would that leave them?
So maybe when (if) SG-1 ever goes off the air, he will be able to visit now and then, give his input and learn more.
Good points. Personally I would like Daniel to stay with SG-1. Partially because that's where he needs to be, and secondly, it would totally screw up the cast chemistry on SGA. I wouldn't mind to see a couple guest appearances like TPTB have hinted at.

BTW, its good to know that there are other Gate fans in Cincinnati, Mickey! :)

[Dani347]

Well, I definitely think Daniel should get a chance to go see Atlantis. It's his dream. Then he can get his butt right back to the SGC.

[Mr_Fantastic]

I've heard that in S10, a couple eps (or one) will focus more on Daniel's personal life. Any thoughts?

[Dani347]

He has a personal life? I'm guessing there won't be an episode with him sitting at home watching The History Channel and eating Cheerios, (hey, I'd watch it, but I don't think tptb would consider it a ratings grabber) so it has to be something more substantial. I don't want a repeat of Chimera, only with Daniel playing Sam's part. I doubt they'll have Nick Ballard make a surprise appearance. Daniel volunteering at the local orphanage is a fanfic thing.

Hey, maybe we'll find out that Daniel really is a secret ninja warrior!

Sorry, I got nothing plausible. I just hope that tptb are more imaginative than I am in a good way.

[1DanielForMe]

I would certainly like to see more of Daniel's life outside of the Stargate Programme. I mean, I'm sure he doesn't do nothing except sit at home on his off days (although I would definitely watch a show called "Daniel Sits At Home Watching The History Channel and Eating Cheerios" :D). Somehow I'm not so sure about the ninja warrior thing though. :P

[Allestian]

Well I think he spends some time working out...

:D

[Mickey23]

Hmmm, Daniel's personal life...
Well he gets up early and watches cartoons as he eats breakfast, then he does some laundry and accidentally mixes the whites and reds (again). Later he goes to the grocery and the car wash and then home to pay some bills. Then Daniel realizes that the SGC doesn't really pay that well.
BTW, does anybody know what kind of car Daniel drives? We've seen O'Neill's truck and Carter's two different cars, but I never remember seeing what Daniel drives.
Seriously, though. We haven't seen Sarah in a while. I suppose he still sees her sometimes. Maybe she will come back into it just to say Hi. Or also the niece of Catherine Langford we saw once at the funeral. There was some chemistry there. I know he's sort of got a thing with Vala now, but the kind of person he is, I am sure there is some competition for his affections.

[Dani347]

I would certainly like to see more of Daniel's life outside of the Stargate Programme. I mean, I'm sure he doesn't do nothing except sit at home on his off days (although I would definitely watch a show called "Daniel Sits At Home Watching The History Channel and Eating Cheerios" :D). Somehow I'm not so sure about the ninja warrior thing though. :P

Ninja warrior came from a joke that MS made.

Mickey23:

BTW, does anybody know what kind of car Daniel drives? We've seen O'Neill's truck and Carter's two different cars, but I never remember seeing what Daniel drives.
Seriously, though. We haven't seen Sarah in a while. I suppose he still sees her sometimes. Maybe she will come back into it just to say Hi. Or also the niece of Catherine Langford we saw once at the funeral. There was some chemistry there. I know he's sort of got a thing with Vala now, but the kind of person he is, I am sure there is some competition for his affections.


I think he might have had a red car (or was it blue) in Lost City when they all gathered at Jack's house. And, as far as Sarah, Vala, Catherine's niece, that's exactly what I don't want. I don't want personal life to equal ship.


Maybe them showing his personal life has nothing to do with what he does in his off time. Maybe it'll give us a little more info about his history. What was his life like after Nick abandoned him? Maybe he'll mention a little bit about what life was like with Sha're.

[Mr_Fantastic]

Ninja warrior came from a joke that MS made.

Mickey23:


I think he might have had a red car (or was it blue) in Lost City when they all gathered at Jack's house. And, as far as Sarah, Vala, Catherine's niece, that's exactly what I don't want. I don't want personal life to equal ship.


Maybe them showing his personal life has nothing to do with what he does in his off time. Maybe it'll give us a little more info about his history. What was his life like after Nick abandoned him? Maybe he'll mention a little bit about what life was like with Sha're.
I think it was Red (the car).

[Mickey23]

Alright, I have a question. I apologize if it has already been asked. But I was rewatching some episodes and got to thinking about the things that the other team members have done that Daniel hasn't and vice versa. Does anybody remember if Daniel was ever in a death glider or the 302? Just curious. Also, Sam, Jack and Teal'c have all had symbiotes in one shape or form, but Daniel hasn't, right? (Although I doubt DJ minds not being in that particular club :) )

[Dani347]

I don't know a death glider or a 302 from a commercial jet, so I can't answer about Daniel having been in one. As far as having a symbiote, not in this world, but in the AU in Moebius, the Daniel who had become an ESL teacher did.

[1DanielForMe]

Also, I don't know if this would count, but in Avatar, the simulated Daniel is inhabited by a Goa'uld. TPTB loves to do this, play with the idea of Daniel being taken over by a Goa'uld, without it actually happening, at least not in the main reality we see.

[Dani347]

Outside of his time on Abydos, what do you think were some of Daniel's happiest moments? Have we seen Daniel honestly happy?

[Daniel's shadow]

I don't know being truly happy as Danny has always been a serious person but I think socialising with other members of the team via activities like fishing and playing basketball has certainly brought a smile to his face which I love to see.

:daniel: :D

[Dani347]

Ah, I've thought of one. When Jack was trapped on the ship with the replicators, and Daniel found out that he had been beamed out of danger (can't remember the episode name) Daniel was happy to see Jack was okay.

I think Daniel is happy when he's involved in serious pursuits.

[Daniel's shadow]

But also I think in season 9 he has also learn how to relax a bit.

The Danny in earlier seasons is only too happy to bury himself in books and research. The Danny in season 9 is still the same determined man feeding his interllectual passions but this Danny also have learnt that he could relax and be playful a bit.

:daniel: :D

[Dani347]

Don't mind me if I start something and then jump to another topic. I have a short attention span. If anything grabs you just go ahead and talk. *Says she as if she controls the thread.*:rolleyes:

Anyway, now I'm wondering what sort of movies or tv shows Daniel likes. I know it's a fandom thing that when Daniel isn't translating things or studying artifacts that he spends his time watching The History Channel or Discovery Channel. But, do you think he might sometimes watch something completely unexpected? Maybe he Tivo's American Idol so he can see it when he comes back from a mission.

[the fifth man]

Anyway, now I'm wondering what sort of movies or tv shows Daniel likes. I know it's a fandom thing that when Daniel isn't translating things or studying artifacts that he spends his time watching The History Channel or Discovery Channel. But, do you think he might sometimes watch something completely unexpected? Maybe he Tivo's American Idol so he can see it when he comes back from a mission.

Personally, I think Daniel is a huge fan of Smallville and Supernatural, in addition to his History Channel and Discovery Channel viewing.:)

[the fifth man]

But also I think in season 9 he has also learn how to relax a bit.

The Danny in earlier seasons is only too happy to bury himself in books and research. The Danny in season 9 is still the same determined man feeding his interllectual passions but this Danny also have learnt that he could relax and be playful a bit.

:daniel: :D

I definitely agree with your post. This past season, I really liked the subtle changes to Daniel's character. I can't wait to see where they take him this season.

[Mr_Fantastic]

Personally, I think Daniel is a huge fan of Smallville and Supernatural, in addition to his History Channel and Discovery Channel viewing.:)
I think that Daniel's favorite show would be "Unwrapped" on the food network. History of America's favorite foods. That spells Danny!:)

[Dani347]

Well, I just hope he continues to find joy in the intellectual pursuits. I mean, he looked pretty playful and happy reading that book in Avalon. As long as that remains the core part of his character (and gets screentime) I don't mind some hoops. Although, it did strike me as odd to see.

[Royal_Nonesuch]

I think that Daniel's favorite show would be "Unwrapped" on the food network. History of America's favorite foods. That spells Danny!:)

Daniel would probably watch that show if History Channel was running the same episode of "Mail Call" again. I personally think Daniel would watch "Numb3rs" so he could throw out some math lingo to impress Sam. I bet he also buys alot of TV on DVD so he can re-watch his favorite episodes of "Manimal" or "Twilight Zone".


Well, I just hope he continues to find joy in the intellectual pursuits. I mean, he looked pretty playful and happy reading that book in Avalon. As long as that remains the core part of his character (and gets screentime) I don't mind some hoops. Although, it did strike me as odd to see.

I agree. Bookish Daniel is awesome. I like the recreational Daniel as well--as long as the keep the shcolarly part of his character in tact. Daniel strikes me as the type he would make time for excercise, but would keep a book in front of him as he does push-ups.

Later,
Royal

[Mr_Fantastic]

maybe he would watch EPSN classic for the History of the NBA so he can impress Cameron with his knowledge of the sport

[1DanielForMe]

Daniel strikes me as the type he would make time for excercise, but would keep a book in front of him as he does push-ups.Quite right! You get a lot of that from various scenes througout the show.

[Dani347]

Hey, I found this website called tvtropes.org It has tropes and idioms of tv. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SearchWiki?text=%22Daniel+Jackson%22&pagename=Main%2FSearchWiki That's a link to all the ones that Daniel appears under. A few tropes from this list include The Clark Kent Effect. Easy intellectual prop with glasses, but as the site snarkily says, "But this is TV, and we all know that to be a really cool character, you have to occasionally kick some ass. We also all know that nerds with glasses can't kick ass. It's contractually forbidden.

Thus, just like Superman, when an intellectual is about to kick some ass, the first thing he has to do is take off his glasses."

Also, addressing Daniel directly: "Daniel Jackson in Stargate SG-1, whose eyesight gradually improves as he becomes more action-oriented. As an interestng side-effect, this allows the reintroduction of his glasses on Mirror Universe counterparts to be a quick indicator that his counterpart never became cool." Well, I don't know about that since I love the counterpart version of Daniel, and so far, Daniel hasn't completely stopped wearing the glasses. Never enough, but he still wears them. But, still it's fun to see someone else notice my pet peeve and put it into a list.


Also, there's The Woobie. Defined as: "A woobie (named for a child's security blanket) is that character you want to wrap in a blanket and feed soup to when he suffers so very beautifully." And, yes, Daniel is listed as a Woobie.

[1DanielForMe]

Daniel doesn't have to not wear his glasses to be cool! It's just that if he loses his glasses, he's not pathetic about it, like the A/F Daniel in Moebius. Android Daniel didn't even need glasses, so if that's the indication of how cool a Daniel is, he's the grooviest one of all. Of course, I don't go by that indication.
Really, I haven't noticed that (my) Daniel wears his glasses more or less these days. For the most part, I just notice him, and he looks simply wonderful to me, glasses or no glasses.

[CBloom]

Firstly, can I just say Hi! It's my first post for anything anywhere! So please bear with me!

I think Daniel is cool! I have to admit that I only WANT to watch SG-1 when he's in it - but I do watch the other episodes also (I'm not really SO shallow!).

My 4 year old daughter thinks he's great too!

I've kept this short, on purpose, in case I make a mess of it! I wanted to post a comment,then when I got here, I couldn't think of anything! Hope it's ok!

Be gentle with me!

[StarDreamer]

Firstly, can I just say Hi! It's my first post for anything anywhere! So please bear with me!

I think Daniel is cool! I have to admit that I only WANT to watch SG-1 when he's in it - but I do watch the other episodes also (I'm not really SO shallow!).

My 4 year old daughter thinks he's great too!

I've kept this short, on purpose, in case I make a mess of it! I wanted to post a comment,then when I got here, I couldn't think of anything! Hope it's ok!

Be gentle with me!

WELCOME! WELCOME! *hugs*

Yes, Daniel is pretty awesome.. hehe.
I can't think of things to say in here a lot, either, so I lurk in here probably more than I post, but I know we've got some great conversations about Daniel :daniel:
Feel free to share whatever pops into your head that you'd like to discuss with others or muse about, or if you have something to say in reply to something someone else posted.. we're here to discuss Danny! :p :)

hmm.. not sure if this counts as spoiler or not.. silly comment about season 6... I'm such a dork about spoilers! I have no idea how to handle discussing episodes...
(oh, and I'm not a season 6 fan b/c he's not in it, so you're not alone wanting to watch when he's on!)

[Commander Jumper]

Hey everyone. I've read a couple of post here and I think it's just great thats there is a thread for non-stop Daniel Disscusion. this paired with the Daniel/MS thunk thread is like heaven. all I ever like to do is talk about Danny, it drives my friends and parents absolutley bonkers. My friend called me stalker scary, (but then comparing me to most other stalkers I look like an inocent fan) I love how the character of Daniel Jackson has changed over the years and has become part of my life. soooooooo Let's talk about Danny!

[CBloom]

As a newbie here - I just love the fact that there's somewhere to come to gaze at gorgeous pictures of Daniel/MS! and be able to communicate with other like minded people!

My friends and family are SG-1 phobic (sci-fi phobic actually!) so it's lovely to see so many people that enjoy SG-1 and like to talk about it!

Keep up the good work with the Daniel pictures - I'm useless with pictures but I can type so once I'm used to this I'll probably post forever!

Roll on Season 10!

[cindyz]

CBloom, you'll get better pics in the Daniel/MS thunk thread.....a few here, but this thread is mainly for discussion of the character...as the thunk thread is pretty much just for the hotness, not the mind blowing intelligence of Daniel.
I hardly ever post here cuz I am a thunker, and while I love Daniel's mind, eh, I prefer not to delve to deeply under the skin. I guess that is why there are 2 threads to satisfy all of the Daniel lovers out there in GW land.

have fun!

[off-world]

CBloom, I want you to know how lucky you are. You were welcomed here, I posted about a month or so ago without realizing I was invisible. :)

My discussion of Daniel is much like my friend cindyz, she and I have much in common there. :D ;)

[Dani347]

Oh please, all you newbies, don't be afraid to post. This thread goes through too many periods of deadness. I'm not a thunker, but I can go on and on discussing Daniel if there's anything to discuss with anyone. Maybe some of us have been around so long we can't think of anything to say, but if anyone can bring up new topics or new perspectives of old topics (I'm not above rehashing things), maybe it could wake up some things in the old timers to keep the discussion flowing.

[off-world]

OK, here's something I've wondered? Why do you think Daniel won't wear contacts?
Hope that question isn't too shallow for anyone.....I'm tired and that is all I could think of...

[Dani347]

Because he has a very sensible aversion to poking something in his eye.

And, because I threatened him:D

[Mickey23]

Well, remember he did wear them in Summit/Last Stand. And when he was putting them in, he blinked really big like maybe they were bothering him and he was not used to them. Also, when they go off world, it could be really dusty and dirty and he could get stuff flying in his eye (which all you contact wearers out there know is quite painful). And what if they have to stay off world for a few days. He might not have anywhere to take them out and clean them. Then he would also have to carry solution and extra contacts as well as his glasses in case. So maybe it is just easier to just wear the glasses.

Well, there's my 11 cents worth!

[Captain-Peregrine]

Let's face it--those glasses bring out the blue in his eyes. So whether or not Daniel realizes it... someone knows that people like the glasses. :D Besides, I think it's also to help us remember that Daniel's supposed to be the "geek" and so the glasses help with that. And also, like Mickey23 said, glasses are usually easily taken care of so if you're caught off world or something you don't have to worry about bringing a contact case or anything. Also, if you have to wake up fast in the middle of the night it is a heck of a lot easier just grabbing the glasses off your nightstand than having to go bumping around in the dark trying to poke tiny plastic discs into your eyeball--which can be extremely annoying when your tired!

[Commander Jumper]

I love this place. about Danny's eyes I think he might occansionally wear contacts but I think glasses would be easier for good ol' Danny boy. (This place is a fools hell and a wise man's paradise)

[Captain-Peregrine]

I love this place.

It's nice, huh? Between this place and the Thunk thread we Daniel... er... fans have it made in the shade. :D

[Commander Jumper]

It's nice, huh? Between this place and the Thunk thread we Daniel... er... fans have it made in the shade. :D

Yup....We're livin' the sweet life of Thunkers..... We talk about how much we love his character here, then go on over to the Thunk thread and talk about how much we love his face, hands, eyes, and other things. this truly is what life is supposed to be, going from disscussing to drooling in under 2 seconds.

[Dani347]

So, what do you call people who spend more time discussing Daniel than looking at pictures of him? I thought Deep Thinkers might fit, but that seems kind of insulting to the Thunkers.

Back to the glasses, well to be shallow for just a moment, I have a glasses fetish. Always get annoyed with movies where a makeover entails whipping off the glasses of a girl or woman, as if a person can't wear glasses and be good looking. I happen to be a vision of loveliness in my glasses:D

I also agree with that site I linked to, that tv has certain shorthands to describe a character. Guys wearing glasses aren't usually classified as macho men. They're geeks. But, here's the thing. In tv land (maybe in society?) being a geek is a bad thing. And, I don't see it that way. Some of my favorite characters are geeks. And, I'm not talking the negative stereotype of pocket protector, wild hair, snorting laugh, everyone runs away from them. I'm talking really intelligent people, who thrive on knowledge. Who get excited over a new discovery and find things fascinating and have a hard time imagining that other people won't find the same things fascinating, even if they don't fall under the popular range of interesting subjects. Someone who's known more for their brains than their brawn, even if they will and can fight (or use weapons) if necessary. Someone who can be described as senstive. And, someone who can tap dance. Heh. That last thing doesn't have anything to do with Daniel. I just also have a tap dancing fetish.

But, I think popular culture doesn't see this type of man as a real man. It's getting better, but I think the trend still leans more towards macho manly super suave guys, rather than the intellectuals. So, I'd really like it if the short cut of glasses that says Daniel still has the above traits at his core (no matter how much those ugly muscles emerge or how often he has to shoot out a device) stay. And, again, he just looks better with them on.

[cindyz]

I for one, love Daniel with and without the glasses...in fact my favorite pairs of glasses are from 2010..the black geeky ones and then the other ones he wore...the slighlty old fashioned style glasses.....ahhhh I am just in heaven when i see that episode. Now if Daniel decided to get Lasik eye surgery.

And I take no offense to being called a thunker...and have no problem of some being called deep thinkers. hey, whatever title fits for you! we all seem to have one thing in common...DANIEL

[Captain-Peregrine]

Some of my favorite characters are geeks. And, I'm not talking the negative stereotype of pocket protector, wild hair, snorting laugh, everyone runs away from them. I'm talking really intelligent people, who thrive on knowledge. Who get excited over a new discovery and find things fascinating and have a hard time imagining that other people won't find the same things fascinating, even if they don't fall under the popular range of interesting subjects. Someone who's known more for their brains than their brawn, even if they will and can fight (or use weapons) if necessary. Someone who can be described as senstive.

I'd like to think of myself as a grade-A geek and I am so proud of it. I love geeky people because they ARE intelligent and they don't need to be drop-dead georgeous to be sexy. I mean, Daniel just happens to be hot AND intelligent, which is great for us thunkers. But me, I have a very hobbity appearance and so it is definatly nice to know that geeky doesn't depend on having to whip off the glasses and suddenly--bam! You're beautiful!

And that's why I love Daniel because he doesn't really change with or without the glasses. I mean, yes he's usually warrior-Daniel when he's not wearing his glasses, but that's just because that's during a situation when a broken lens would be VERY inopportune. But he's always DANIEL, no matter what he's wearing on his face. He makes us geeks look good.

Yay, Daniel! The savior and protector of all geeks! :D:daniel:

[Mickey23]

So, what do you call people who spend more time discussing Daniel than looking at pictures of him? I thought Deep Thinkers might fit, but that seems kind of insulting to the Thunkers.
Hey I like "Deep Thinkers." Gives this discussion thread some class, don't you think?


... tv has certain shorthands to describe a character. Guys wearing glasses aren't usually classified as macho men. They're geeks. But, here's the thing. In tv land (maybe in society?) being a geek is a bad thing.
Yeah, I agree,that's kind of annoying.


But, I think popular culture doesn't see this type of man as a real man. It's getting better, but I think the trend still leans more towards macho manly super suave guys, rather than the intellectuals.
Maybe in some small way, Daniel's character has helped to change this? At least in the Scifi genre? Or maybe not, that's just wishful thinking on my part.

I actually like Daniel with the glasses. It makes his character look intelligent. I think, also, in TV, glasses = intelligence as much as glasses = geeky. IMO, he doesn't really look geeky with them. Now, the alternate reality Daniel from Moebius, yeah maybe.
Anyone who has spent half an hour watching Stargate realizes that that stereotyope of glasses = geeky is wrong for Daniel. He's a strong character, who is intelligent, moral, will fight when he needs to, gets really excited at new discoveries, is sensitive, and who just happens to wear glasses like he just happens to have brown hair and blue eyes.

So, basically what I am saying here, is that I agree with you. (Took me a while to say that, huh?)

[CBloom]

I have a bit of a phobia about eyes! I can't watch anyone put contacts in - so it was a bit of a stomach turner for me watching Daniel put his contacts in in Summit/Last Stand!

The glasses work for me - intellegent, studious, focused, these are all Daniel!

Then the glasses come off and ........well, what can I say! He still is Daniel to me, just a touch more .......?

I love it here - may have to just divert to Thunk thread just so I can have a drool over Daniel's twin!!

Be back soon!

[Katerine]

I seem to be in the minority, in that I'm a huge Daniel fan, but I don't think he's all that physically attractive. I'd actually read about him in a crossover fanfic prior to seeing any episodes, so I'd already read about how wonderful his character was - and my first reaction when I first saw him in the show was, "That's it? That's what all of the fuss is about?"

It's... kind of similar to my reaction to seeing everybody fawning over Angel's great looks on Buffy, when to me he actually looked kind of ugly.

MS just isn't my type. RDA is my type. James Marsters (the guy who played Spike on Buffy) is my type. The guys who play Michael Vaughn and Will Tippin on Alias are my type. Will Smith is my type. Goran Visnjic (the guy who plays Luka Kovac on ER) is really my type. MS has facial lines and a body build that's entirely wrong for me.

And yet, Daniel is, by far, the most attractive character on Stargate to me. Actually, he's pretty much the most attractive character on TV, period. Because I know him, at least as far as the show lets us know him. I love the way he thinks. I love the way he cares so much about what he does and the people he's with. And I love, love, LOVE the "geeky" aspect of his personality - the side that finds so much joy in learning and discovery. It's also the practical side of him, that couldn't care less about vanity.

Mostly for that reason, I dislike the fact that he's been wearing his glasses less and less. Since he still wears them sometimes, I'm guessing he didn't get laser surgery (which could be justified in that the glasses are a hindrance on missions). I'm therefore forced to conclude that he's usually wearing contacts when he isn't wearing glasses. And that just doesn't fit with the Daniel I know and love.

Mickey23 said it best. Speaking as a person who wears contacts, my first reaction to seeing Daniel without glasses in a place where there's both sand and wind, is I just cringe in sympathy for the pain he's in for.

I wear contacts, largely because my glasses have an old prescription and I can't afford new glasses that don't weigh 3 pounds and hurt my nose and ears. I can say with absolute certainty, though, that given the choice between glasses and contacts, I would definitely wear glasses if I spent a great deal of time outdoors in potentially dangerous places where there was even the remotest possibility that something (sand, dirt, water, debris, shrapnel) might end up in my eye. Even one grain of sand in the eyes with contacts leads to up to two minutes of blindness and pain. Rubbing the eyes, if, say, water gets into them, leads to contacts moving to the back of the eye, which is also painful and leads to askew vision and requires several minutes in front of a mirror to put things right. Or, rubbing the eyes might lead to the contact popping out, which also leads to askew vision. None of these things are things that Daniel can afford while on missions.

I simply cannot see the Daniel that I know and love putting vanity ahead of these considerations. He wore contacts in Summit because he had very little choice - since the presence of glasses would have been a dead giveaway. And of course in S6, there was just no need of vision correction of any kind. But the same cannot be said for wearing contacts on most of his missions. And even when on base, I can't see him preferring contacts, with the inherent hassle and the risk of astigmatism, to glasses. Not when he can afford the lightweight and shatterproof kind.

So, no. I don't like the fact that they've been having Daniel wear his glasses less and less.

Also, asthetically, I think Daniel looks better with the glasses. Without them, his face looks very round. And they just fit his character better - they highlight his intelligence. They make him seem more... Daniel. And that's always a good thing. :)

[Dani347]

I think he looks better with the glasses, too. And, strangely enough, I think Daniel looks better than MS. I also don't think he would stop wearing glasses for vanity reasons. That's one reason I hate those muscle shirts they had the team in, especially for Daniel. I mean, asthetically, I hate muscles so the more they're hidden the better for me, but the only purpose I can think of for wearing those kinds of shirts is to show off. And, I can't imagine Daniel thinking that way.

I wonder if tptb (and maybe MS as well) felt that the glasses fit better with the long haired, more outwardly geeky version, than the version now? You know, this is similar to something I noticed watching X-Files. Mulder only wore reading glasses, but I noticed maybe halfway through the series when they started dressing him in more fashionable suits, he just stopped wearing the glasses completely. And, also, Scully also wore reading glasses, but then her wardrobe improved and the glasses vanished. I don't think there's any reason within the story for Daniel to stop wearing the glasses (you'd think if there were, he'd just go ahead and get the laser surgery) at random moments. So, I'm thinking that they think there's something about who he is that doesn't fit the image that comes with glasses. Which is a whole other can of worms.


And, ew! If I ever considered contacts, the descriptions of them here are enough to stop me. I already have enough trouble with my eyes.

[1DanielForMe]

Daniel would never wear contacts on a permanent basis, he hates the things, and I don’t think he’s the sort to get LASIK. Personally, I don't see him ever not wearing glasses, and I think when we do see him without his glasses, there's usually a reason for it. If you think about it, there were quite a few episodes early on where the team had to go to Chulak, or some other place where people didn't wear glasses, and Daniel would have to go most, if not all of an episode without wearing his glasses.

I love that Daniel wears glasses, because I love everything about him, plus I wear glasses myself, but I'd still love him if it somehow got to where he didn't need them anymore. It's not that big of a deal to me, because I don't see that his glasses really make him who he is. That being said, I don't see it making sense for him to stop wearing his glasses ever, so, for that matter, it would annoy me if he did.

[GateWarrior]

I have a bit of a phobia about eyes! I can't watch anyone put contacts in - so it was a bit of a stomach turner for me watching Daniel put his contacts in in Summit/Last Stand!

The glasses work for me - intellegent, studious, focused, these are all Daniel!

Then the glasses come off and ........well, what can I say! He still is Daniel to me, just a touch more .......?

I love it here - may have to just divert to Thunk thread just so I can have a drool over Daniel's twin!!

Be back soon!
Hi CBloom! Nice to meet'cha. :D Me too about the eye thing, except that it's mostly just MY eyes that I have a phobia about. I can watch eye surgery, but I can hardly put eye drops in my own eyes. Oh, and those people that can "bug out" their eyes REALLY freaks me out. Anyhoo...
________________________________________________________________

Current topic is "Daniel's glasses; with or without?", huh? For me, whether he wears his glasses or not, it makes no difference to me. He's still Daniel. No matter what he wears or what he looks like; it's his soul, his passion, his intelligence, & his compassion that I love. That's not to say that I don't admire the package that it comes in though. ;) I always thought the long hair & glasses on him was just cute as a button. It wasn't until he cut his hair that I considered him to be a hottie as well, but whether he wears the glasses or not is inconsequential to me. He looks hot either way, & is still just as much "Daniel" to me.

Besides, has anyone noticed that Daniel's glasses have no prescription in them? If you look, they're just flat lenses. Just a little trivia. Apparently MS doesn't need glasses himself, hence the glasses with no Rx. :)

Happy Easter to everyone BTW. :D

[Dani347]

Okay, rambling, somewhat off topic explanation of why it does make a difference to me that Daniel wears his glasses as much as humanly possible.


Yes, I know MS doesn't wear glasses, which is the main reason Daniel looks better than MS (yes, the way some women go gaga over a man in tight jeans, I go gaga over a man in glasses). And, no, taking off the glasses doesn't change Daniel's personality. But, I'm thinking in terms of, well, looks (he just looks better. I told you, it's a fetish) and also about what it says about tv and society in general that glasses seem to be so disposable. I mean, back when I was a kid, I had the idea that for most people glasses were a necessary evil, to be replaced with contacts at the earliest possible opportunity. Which never made any sense to me, because I was always upset when I passed my eye exams at school, because that meant no glasses. I was happy when I finally needed them(I've been told I willed my bad eyesight into happening just so I could get glasses). And, then, I went to college, I saw that the image tv had of glasses wasn't true. Lots of people on campus wore glasses all the time. Not just absentminded professors or gawky students, but just average people. I mean, I still had maybe one or two people ask me if I ever considered contacts (strangely enough one person also wore glasses), but despite the image tv gave (and it was worse before) glasses weren't seen as equivalent to a Frankenstein mask.

So, I just don't like it when it seems like tv thinks there's a need to fix someone wearing glasses. It may be a minor thing, but since I've seen other characters suddenly stop wearing glasses altogether, I can't help thinking every time they find some reason to get Daniel out of his glasses, it's just lowering the resistance and one day he'll stop wearing the glasses for good. And, I won't like it one bit. His glasses are just as much a part of who he is as any other aspect of his character.

[Mickey23]

Ok, this is off the "glasses/no glasses" debate... I asked a while back about Daniel's car and got some responses back to watch for one in Lost City Part One. I watched it last night and did see the red car in the background when Daniel and Teal'c went to O'Neill's house. Assuming, of course, that it was Daniel's car and not in a neighbor's driveway....I don't really see that kind of car as something Daniel would drive. I'm not a car person, so I have no idea what kind of car it was (anybody know the type of car it was?). But it seemed a little showy and pretentious for Daniel. I always saw him driving something more conservative, maybe something nondescript and a few years old. It would seem to fit better with his personality. Basically just something to cart his books, gym bag, and some artifacts around in.

So, my question is then, what type of car do you see Daniel as driving? And why?

[Captain-Peregrine]

lol Maybe one of those little hatch-backs. Just something you could buy off someone on the side of the road. And maybe it would be green :D? lol

[Dani347]

Ok, this is off the "glasses/no glasses" debate... I asked a while back about Daniel's car and got some responses back to watch for one in Lost City Part One. I watched it last night and did see the red car in the background when Daniel and Teal'c went to O'Neill's house. Assuming, of course, that it was Daniel's car and not in a neighbor's driveway....I don't really see that kind of car as something Daniel would drive. I'm not a car person, so I have no idea what kind of car it was (anybody know the type of car it was?). But it seemed a little showy and pretentious for Daniel. I always saw him driving something more conservative, maybe something nondescript and a few years old. It would seem to fit better with his personality. Basically just something to cart his books, gym bag, and some artifacts around in.

So, my question is then, what type of car do you see Daniel as driving? And why?

ooh, that's a toughy. I'm probably worse than you in knowing nothing about cars. Maybe he had a old car before this one, and it finally gave up the ghost, and when he went to buy one he took Jack or someone with him, and they convinced him to live a little. Or, maybe he does have a thing for showy cars. Just something that keeps him from being too easy to read.

I don't know.

[1DanielForMe]

I dunno. Daniel strikes me as the JEEP sort (non military issue, hard top, smallest make). Perhaps his vehicle was in the shop, and that red sport number was the only rental available.

[Mickey23]

I dunno. Daniel strikes me as the JEEP sort (non military issue, hard top, smallest make). Perhaps his vehicle was in the shop, and that red sport number was the only rental available.

I like that. I can see Danny driving a Jeep.

[Dani347]

Didn't he drive a jeep in The Curse?

[Mickey23]

Didn't he drive a jeep in The Curse?

Me thinks he did. It wasn't his, of course, as he was in Egypt. But he did seem to enjoy driving it. Driving fast through the desert and bouncing Janet and Sam around.

[Captain-Peregrine]

Hmmm... to be Janet and Sam...

Daniel in a jeep. I can see that, too. But I still see him driving around some two-door piece of crap that he got for three hundred dollars or something. And the heat probably doesn't work--or the air conditioning. Or maybe it's like my car--where the driver's side window can't role down. :rolleyes: lol

[Mickey23]

But I still see him driving around some two-door piece of crap that he got for three hundred dollars or something. And the heat probably doesn't work--or the air conditioning.

Yeah, and given the frequency he dies, disappears, is presumed dead, etc. he probably doesn't want to invest in an expensive car because, well, what's the point?

[Dani347]

Ugh. Living in the south, I find the idea of a car without air conditioning hideous. So, I have to imagine that he either got a car with air conditioning or someone else dragged him off to get one. His car can be as broken down as anything, but it must have air conditioning.

Question, and it's not a challenge thing, just curious. Why do you think you see Daniel in a beaten down car? Is it something about his personality, or is it one of those things that you just look at him and that's the car that pops into your head?

[Mickey23]

Question, and it's not a challenge thing, just curious. Why do you think you see Daniel in a beaten down car? Is it something about his personality, or is it one of those things that you just look at him and that's the car that pops into your head?

I am pretty sure you are addressing Captain-Peregrine with this question. If this question is directed at me, my comment was meant to be funny. Guess I should have put in some smiley faces, huh? ;) I think it is possible earlier-seasons Daniel might have a beaten down car because he wouldn't think about anything but his books and the coolness of dead civilizations. Later-seasons Daniel I think might take more care in his choice of cars. (Maybe he is realizing that there are other things out there besides just work. I think he started dressing better, too.)

:) :daniel: :) :daniel: :) :daniel: :) :daniel: :)

[Dani347]

You're right, that was addressed to Captain Perengrine. Or anyone. I've read a few fanfics that have Daniel in a beaten up old car, so it's a fanon staple, too. I wonder if it falls into the absentminded professor image that also crops up in fanfics.

[mckaychick]

Hi fellow daniel fans!!

[Rodan5757]

To be honest I can't see Daniel driving a car, riding a bike maybe, but a car? He seems like the type of guy that carrys a back-pack everywhere he goes, hops on his bike and rides through the back streets to get home. :)

Thats what I do anyway...and as far as I'm conserned, I am Daniel...and no one can tell me otherwise. :P

[Dani347]

Do you think Daniel always wanted to be an archeologist as a child, maybe first as a testament to his parents? Or, do you think he rebelled, first of all because of not wanting to be another member of his family following that career path (wasn't Nick also one? Which would make the connection even less appealing), and also having bad memories of there being a tenuous connection to his parents' deaths, and later he found that his love for archeology was just a part of him?

[Filetta]

Daniel strikes me as the JEEP sort (non military issue, hard top, smallest make).
I wrote some fanfiction a few months ago and in it Daniel was driving a jeep. It was what I could see him in. As for the glasses, yes glasses all the way.

[1DanielForMe]

Groovy! So I'm obviously not the only one who thinks that car fits him. :cool:

Do you think Daniel always wanted to be an archeologist as a child, maybe first as a testament to his parents? Or, do you think he rebelled, first of all because of not wanting to be another member of his family following that career path (wasn't Nick also one? Which would make the connection even less appealing), and also having bad memories of there being a tenuous connection to his parents' deaths, and later he found that his love for archeology was just a part of him?I think it's in his blood, but that he's also always wanted to do it. I don't believe he would've let Nick being an archaeologist deter him, and as for his parents, I feel he would have wanted to follow in their footsteps, knowing they would be proud of him (not that they wouldn't be proud of him if he chose to do something else, but you know what I mean).

[Dani347]

So, would his interest in archeology have been first as a connection to his parents and then be something he was interested in for its own sake? Or would those things be simultaneous? That he got interested in it, and knew that it would make his parents proud, but that he didn't do it expressly for that reason. I know, I'm confusing.

I also wonder about Daniel and Nick. Obviously they weren't typical grandfather/grandson. Not only didn't Nick take Daniel in, but he wanted Daniel to call him 'Nick'. But, Daniel did keep in touch, and visited Nick in the hospital until they argued. I wonder if they had any contact while Daniel was young, even slight contact. Did Nick maybe make irregular visits when he wasn't off on digs? Or, was he out of the picture until Daniel started studying archeology and found out more about Nick's reputation as an archeologist and initiated contact as an adult, until they argued about Daniel's theories? And, if Daniel intitiated contact, did he initiate contact before Nick was committed or after? I know there aren't any answers (but speculation is fun) but these are things I wonder about. Daniel's past is such a mystery.

[Mickey23]

Ok, these are just my opinions...

I'm guessing that Daniel had an interest in archaeology because of his parents. We know he was about 8 when his parents died so that would have given him several years with his parents to become immersed in it. So when they died, he had an interest in it. Maybe he wanted in some way to make his parents proud of him, so he continued. That can be a powerful motive. Maybe it's just "in his blood." You know, how some families all go into the same business (the first example that comes to mind are the Barrymores and acting). His mother's father (as I'm assuming Nick is since the difference in last names) was an archaeologist, as were both his parents. We don't know anything about his father's side. Maybe they all were interested in it too?

As for contact with Nick, his not taking Daniel in must have hurt Daniel. I think Nick would know, though, that he wouldn't be able to provide Daniel with a stable home and good upbringing, since he was travelling all over the world. He would want Daniel to be brought up in a good home and get a good education. He was doing what he thought best for the boy. And I don't see Nick as very family oriented, not the kind of guy who knows how to be a grandfather. I see him as the sort of grandfather that would occasionally send Daniel some little artifact with a note (not even a full letter) saying what it was and where it was found. I don't see him visiting much. Maybe once a year he would drop in unexpectedly, on his way to or back from some dig. When Daniel got older and was into archaeology and his studies, he looked up his grandfather to let him know what he was doing. Even though he didn't see Nick much when he was younger, I think Daniel would want his approval and would want to reconnect. After all, Daniel was an orphan, and Nick was the only "real" family Daniel had left.

Daniel is a person of very strong feelings, and I think when Nick was committed, he felt guilty about not believing the "giant aliens" story. As much as he wanted to, he couldn't believe something that there was no proof of. So he visited Nick, partly because he loved his grandfather, but partly out of guilt. But then he found himself in a similar situation, when the archaeology community didn't believe him about the pyramids. So he felt for Nick in a new way.

I think we've seen all we are going to about Daniel's past, but it would be nice if this stuff was shown, or at least talked about.

[Dani347]

I guess that's what fanfiction is for. Okay, I know I'm jumping topics (you people must think I have ADD or something) but I had originally meant to bring this up, but got sidetracked with the whole family thing.

Anyway, there's a thread in the general discussion about who is the most moral character. And, here's a post from the thread.


I believe at one time Daniel was the moral compass of SG-1. He helped to make the other members of SG-1 see how their actions affected humanity instead of seeing everything through the eyes of a warrior. However, I also look at who Daniel once was, what he has seen and experienced over the past decade and I think he is also the member of SG-1 who has experienced the greatest transformation.

He is not the same person we met ten years ago. As much as he has changed those around him, he has also been changed by them and by his experiences. This is not to say I do not believe he is still a good person, I just don't see him as the same strong moral compass that he once was. The universe and our enemies/allies are not as black and white as they once were, and I think the more we see Daniel deal with Ori followers like Tomin, the more we will begin to see his point of view become more in line with the other members of SG-1.

I wasn't sure if that needed spoilers so I added them just in case.

Do you agree? Do you see his compass being less strong? How would you describe Daniel's moral code and how well do you think he keeps it?

And, I always shudder at the idea of Daniel becoming more like the rest of SG1. Not that they're bad, but Daniel is supposed to think differently, have a different pov. And, it's not supposed to be one view is right and the other is wrong. And, I've seen way more posts about how Daniel is changing to become more like everyone else, "getting in line" as it were, and in various threads from various people. And, some with a tone of "he's finally getting it right" Well, that's my impression of some of the posts. But, I think the only time I've seen people comment on anyone else changing to become more like him is when I specifically ask if that's happening. So, I might be missing those posts, or people just didn't feel that a change towards Daniel's way of thinking was necessary, or it's not happening enough for a varied range of people to notice. And, what does that say about how people, or more importantly how tptb feel about Daniel's way of thinking? Like I said, the mention of Daniel changing has come unbidden from different sources, so it's not just a matter of me being more interested in the changes that the team has on each other. It's a topic that some people feel is interesting or noticable to bring up without any prodding. But, it's not true of the reverse. So, it seems kind of weird that I would just miss those posts, since I'm not hunting any down, and I always seem to stumble on the Daniel changing posts. Does it mean that Daniel is becoming more like the others to a larger degree than they're becoming like him? And, if that's so, does that mean tptb felt that it was more important for Daniel to change? How do tptb see Daniel? I know I got sidetracked from the moral code question, which I'm interested in, but that whole changing to be more like the others, everytime I see that, it just makes me rant.

[Mickey23]

I always shudder at the idea of Daniel becoming more like the rest of SG1. Not that they're bad, but Daniel is supposed to think differently, have a different pov. And, it's not supposed to be one view is right and the other is wrong.
I completely agree! You don't want four of the same character, like Xerox copies of one personality!

I've seen way more posts about how Daniel is changing to become more like everyone else, "getting in line" as it were, and in various threads from various people. And, some with a tone of "he's finally getting it right" Well, that's my impression of some of the posts.
Doesn't that just annoy the crap out of you? It does me. It's like, what do you mean, he's finally getting it right? So standing up for the moral and ethical is suddenly wrong? His not wanting to ally Earth with basically a Hitler in "The Other Side" (just one of many examples) is wrong?

And, what does that say about how people, or more importantly how tptb feel about Daniel's way of thinking? ...Does it mean that Daniel is becoming more like the others to a larger degree than they're becoming like him? And, if that's so, does that mean tptb felt that it was more important for Daniel to change? How do tptb see Daniel?
I do not think it would be a good thing for Daniel to become more like the other characters. I think for Stargate to be the great show we started watching and for Daniel to be the character we all fell in love with (and I don't mean to imply any sort of thumping or shipping or whatever), he needs to keep that which makes him Daniel. Various interviews with MS, other cast, producers and the like have pointed out what Daniel's character is and how that is an essential part of the show, how he is the moral center that holds the team and the show together. Without it, you just don't have Stargate SG-1. You have some other show.
There are some changes in Daniel's character from Season 1 to now. It would be ridiculous if there weren't. His life has changed. He's seen a lot of amazing things, a lot of horrible things, died, ascended and returned. So all that is going to shift his perspective. But the important part is to keep the essential things that make him "Daniel" (ie the morality, the wonder at things he is encountering in their explorations, etc). True, he is bound to be a bit more suspicious, but please oh please oh please don't make him opt for cynicism and taking the easy out over taking the harder but more moral route.

As for others changing to become more like him, the thing that pops into my mind is a scene between Jack and Hammond. (Please forgive me, I can't remember at this moment which episode it is, I think one in S6) where Hammond remarks that Jack sounds like Dr. Jackson and Jack replies they spent some time together. Also, the scenes between Daniel and his teammates when he is dying in Meridian and they are saying how they have been changed by him. But that is all I can remember. They seem to forget in later seasons that Daniel actually influenced the others.

that whole changing to be more like the others, everytime I see that, it just makes me rant.
I know exactly how you feel!!!

Basically, I guess what I am saying (and took a long time to say) is that yes, Daniel has changed, but I don't think, at this point at least, that he is no longer the moral center. Hopefully TPTB will not change his personality too much in the upcoming season where I might have to agree with what others are saying in the moral character thread about Daniel not being the moral one.

[Dani347]

I just want to make it clear that the post I quoted wasn't one that I meant when I said I felt there was a tone of "finally." Other posts, though. And, I really wouldn't care if I didn't think that maybe that thinking was in line with tptb thinking. I mean, a few times you get someone saying there's an influence, but not a really noticable and continous change from the others towards his way of thinking.

And, interesting that the most blatant example of it being the other way around happened in season 6.

And, maybe I'm just supersensitive on this issue.

As far as Daniel's moral code, I think it's to try and find another way besides fighting if possible. I mean, he doesn't take a hard fast stance against fighting or even killing if necessary. If he's sure that an enemy is just evil and there's no swaying it (he's never tried to rehabilitate a goa'uld) then he won't waste time trying. I'm sure there's more to it. But, just from that, I don't see a real change in how he behaves. I mean a turn around in how he acts.

[Mickey23]

As far as Daniel's moral code, I think it's to try and find another way besides fighting if possible. I mean, he doesn't take a hard fast stance against fighting or even killing if necessary. If he's sure that an enemy is just evil and there's no swaying it (he's never tried to rehabilitate a goa'uld) then he won't waste time trying. I'm sure there's more to it. But, just from that, I don't see a real change in how he behaves. I mean a turn around in how he acts.
Well put. I mean, he's gonna fight if he has to, carries a gun because he has to but doesn't use it until he knows there is no other way.
The argument that I often hear is that he wasn't so moral in Prototype when he suggested they kill Khalek, the guy with Anubis DNA. Well, Daniel knows that this guy is completely evil, there are no redeeming qualities in him. If they don't act, many thousands will suffer and die, because he will act just like his father (Anubis) and wreak havoc on the galaxy.

[Rodan5757]

Well put. I mean, he's gonna fight if he has to, carries a gun because he has to but doesn't use it until he knows there is no other way.
The argument that I often hear is that he wasn't so moral in Prototype when he suggested they kill Khalek, the guy with Anubis DNA. Well, Daniel knows that this guy is completely evil, there are no redeeming qualities in him. If they don't act, many thousands will suffer and die, because he will act just like his father (Anubis) and wreak havoc on the galaxy.

I also always felt that it was some sort of sub-concious thing. He knew that Anubis had hurt Oma, a dear friend of his, and this was as close to an 'in the flesh' Anubis as he was going to get.

[Dani347]

I also always felt that it was some sort of sub-concious thing. He knew that Anubis had hurt Oma, a dear friend of his, and this was as close to an 'in the flesh' Anubis as he was going to get.


I wouldn't mind if some residual feeling that Anubis/Khalek needed to pay (although I think he would think more of Abydos. But, maybe a little about Oma). But, I do think he was also thinking of what was best and necessary.

[Rodan5757]

I wouldn't mind if some residual feeling that Anubis/Khalek needed to pay (although I think he would think more of Abydos. But, maybe a little about Oma). But, I do think he was also thinking of what was best and necessary.

Most likely, just you could see it in his eyes...he wanted Khalek in pain.

Danny's usually the one to see the best of everyone, there was nothing but hatred for this guy.

[Scarym1]

I think with Daniel, most of the changes have sort of been what I would call "external". He certainly know how to handle a weapon and he certainly has been working out. :D Some might think these changes are harmful to his character. I don't think so. I think Daniel is still the moral compass.

It was hit home to me when I was watching ETHON and then THE OTHER SIDE. In TOS he asked Alar that since they have the stargate why don't they just leave and start over. Why continue fighting when you have another option? Then in ETHON, he offers the same solution to the Caladonians. You can leave this world and start over elsewhere. The same question "Why continue fighting when you have another option?" There was five years between these encounters and he offered the same solution each time.
If they had only listen to him both cultures (for better or worse) would still be alive. Daniel is still there looking for the other way. The solutions that don't involve innocent people being killed. That most problems can be solved by talking and compromise.

Than there is Khalek. I think this is the incident that alot have been using to say that Daniel has changed. Just because he ended up in a situation where his solution wasn't the "happy ending" like we have seen in SCORCHED EARTH doesn't mean that Daniel has changed for the worse. I believe Daniel decision was based on his desire to protect everyone. Shifu gave him the unique experience of knowing just how evil and corrupting the knowledge of the Gouald is. He KNEW Khalek was evil and that nothing good would ever come of him being allowed to live. His suggestion wasn't based on anger or vengence but on his extensive experience and knowledge of the gouald and the ancients. He was truly thinking of the welfare of us all (which I think it a very Daniel thing to do). I think that the fact that it was Daniel that suggested it should have really hit home how evil Khalek was. If Daniel can't see good in you than it just isn't there. Of course he was right, nobody listened to him and people died that didn't have to.

So I don't think the "internal" Daniel has really changed.

[Dani347]

It was hit home to me when I was watching ETHON and then THE OTHER SIDE. In TOS he asked Alar that since they have the stargate why don't they just leave and start over. Why continue fighting when you have another option? Then in ETHON, he offers the same solution to the Caladonians. You can leave this world and start over elsewhere. The same question "Why continue fighting when you have another option?" There was five years between these encounters and he offered the same solution each time.
If they had only listen to him both cultures (for better or worse) would still be alive. Daniel is still there looking for the other way. The solutions that don't involve innocent people being killed. That most problems can be solved by talking and compromise.
I never really noticed his solution in Ethon. I was busy thinking of Daniel's complete despair over thinking the rest of the team was gone, and the Daniel/Mitchell scene at the end. I'm all about the little moments. But, that's a good example.


Than there is Khalek. I think this is the incident that alot have been using to say that Daniel has changed. Just because he ended up in a situation where his solution wasn't the "happy ending" like we have seen in SCORCHED EARTH doesn't mean that Daniel has changed for the worse. I believe Daniel decision was based on his desire to protect everyone. Shifu gave him the unique experience of knowing just how evil and corrupting the knowledge of the Gouald is. He KNEW Khalek was evil and that nothing good would ever come of him being allowed to live. His suggestion wasn't based on anger or vengence but on his extensive experience and knowledge of the gouald and the ancients. He was truly thinking of the welfare of us all (which I think it a very Daniel thing to do).

And, that speaks to your first point about Daniel wanting to protect innocent people. But, what I don't get is the shock that Daniel advocated killing Khalek, which was a sound decision, based on the need to protect people. I mean, Khalek was Anubis, for all purposes. But, the same feeling doesn't seem to come over Daniel's reaction to Apophis in Serpent's Lair (which still stands out to me as Daniel -not a dream, not under the influence, just plain Daniel- at his most ruthless). Maybe because we got to see Daniel be compassionate to the host in that episode. You don't see that with Khalek. For the simple reason that there was no host. But, there's no scene of Daniel displaying compassion to help ease the seeming coldness. Although I found Daniel anything but cold in advocating killing Khalek. I thought it bothered him that he had to make that decision. Still all you see is Daniel saying the only solution is killing. There's no looking for another way, no trying to see the good in him. And, I think Daniel is so identified with looking for another way, that it seems a huge change when he doesn't. Except, like you said, there was no other way. But, I think Daniel expressed that regret at the time, and afterwards talking to Woolsey.

eta: Someone on another board said that Daniel was the most perfect example of an INFJ type of personality on tv. I'm always fascinated by personality types. I looked it up here (http://www.typelogic.com/infj.html) and it does sound a lot like Daniel.

[1DanielForMe]

I completely understand his not considering another solution. Obviously, as he reminded everyone, Daniel would never come to such a quick and ruthless conclusion lightly, but Khalek was pure evil. While everyone else was trying to find ways to stop him without killing him, and I was thinking the same thing Daniel was; as long as Khalek remains alive, the Earth, the entire galaxy, is at serious risk.

As for Woolsey, Daniel was just pissed at him for not listening to him and having Khalek destroyed when they had the chance, therefore sentencing so many innocent people to death.

Concerning the typology thing, incidentally, I took a test for that. It seems, not surprisingly to me, that I happen to be an INFJ.

[Sprinkles]

Dose anyone have thoughts about the Daniel and Vala dynamic? According to spoilers:

It looks like they'll have quite a few episodes together in season 10

I didn't put this on the Daniel and Vala ship thread because some Daniel fans don't see the ship at all and it dosn't allow discussion of the both of them as just friends. I do see the potential for ship but to be honest I don't think they will ever BE together as a romantic couple. Alot of interaction between them in the future however seems inevitable. What would people like to see?

[Mickey23]

Dose anyone have thoughts about the Daniel and Vala dynamic? According to spoilers:

It looks like they'll have quite a few episodes together in season 10

I didn't put this on the Daniel and Vala ship thread because some Daniel fans don't see the ship at all and it dosn't allow discussion of the both of them as just friends. I do see the potential for ship but to be honest I don't think they will ever BE together as a romantic couple. Alot of interaction between them in the future however seems inevitable. What would people like to see?

To be honest, I don't want to see them together. I don't want to see "ship" between them. I think it would be nice if they become close friends and confidants, and learn to trust each other's experiences. They certainly do have a great chemistry together (and by chemistry, I don't mean romantic chemistry). But I don't want them to be romantic. It seems like lately every person on the show has to have a romantic relationship with another character and that seems odd on a show like Stargate.
That being said, I would not be at all surprised if TPTB put the two together, because they have the great chemistry.
It would be nice if they develop a working relationship like Daniel and Carter (male and female) or Daniel and Jack (because Vala reminds me of Jack, but only a little bit)

[Dani347]

There was a Daniel/Vala discussion thread that was for all pov's about them, not just ship. I don't want any ship between them. I think it's a cliche. I'd rather they be people who push each others buttons, antagonize each other, but at certain times show caring. I don't want that to be because they have some sexual tension that they're denying or anything.


That being said, I would not be at all surprised if TPTB put the two together, because they have the great chemistry.

And, to me, that would be highly unimaginative on their part. Why couldn't they see great chemistry and not build it into a relationship of that sort? Friends can have great chemistry. Heck, enemies can have great chemistry. To me, that elusive quality of chemistry is what makes people enjoying watching two characters together. And, that together is not confined to ship, but to any interaction.

As far as season 10:
I do like how Daniel acts, crabby and sarcastic and all, with Vala, but I hate the idea of him being chained, figuratively, to Vala. I want him to interact with everyone. And, Vala to interact with everyone. Preferably, I'd like the team together as much as possible, but in those times that the team splits up, I don't want to know beforehand that Vala and Daniel are going to be together every single time.

[Mickey23]

And, to me, that would be highly unimaginative on their part. Why couldn't they see great chemistry and not build it into a relationship of that sort? Friends can have great chemistry. Heck, enemies can have great chemistry. To me, that elusive quality of chemistry is what makes people enjoying watching two characters together. And, that together is not confined to ship, but to any interaction.

Very true! I love the chemistry between Sam and Daniel, between Teal'c and Daniel, between Jack and Daniel. None of these is shippy, yet it is great stuff and the character interactions are why most of us tune in week after week.


As far as season 10:
I do like how Daniel acts, crabby and sarcastic and all, with Vala, but I hate the idea of him being chained, figuratively, to Vala. I want him to interact with everyone. And, Vala to interact with everyone. Preferably, I'd like the team together as much as possible, but in those times that the team splits up, I don't want to know beforehand that Vala and Daniel are going to be together every single time.
Yes, it is annoying when Daniel and Vala are together all the time to the exclusion of the other team members. Not saying that they shouldn't ever work together, but I'd like to see my fav character interacting with all the people on SG-1. After all, being with and working with people is Dr. Jackson's forte. Or at least part of what makes him such an asset to the SG team.

[Sprinkles]

Very true! I love the chemistry between Sam and Daniel, between Teal'c and Daniel, between Jack and Daniel. None of these is shippy, yet it is great stuff and the character interactions are why most of us tune in week after week.

Yes, it is annoying when Daniel and Vala are together all the time to the exclusion of the other team members. Not saying that they shouldn't ever work together, but I'd like to see my fav character interacting with all the people on SG-1. After all, being with and working with people is Dr. Jackson's forte. Or at least part of what makes him such an asset to the SG team.

You both make very good points, I'm not OTP Daniel/Vala in any respect but I do enjoy the both of them together, in fact I love reading/watching with Daniel/anyone becuase it's how he reacts other people and his story I mostly want to follow. Maybe I'm so exited about the possibilities of D/V becuase I often felt he was being pushed away from the team in Seasons 4,5,7 and 8 and not being allowed meaningful relashionships with anyone, whether this is down to TPTB not wanting a destraction form J/S ship (which even standing on my head I just didn't see the chemistry ;) :P) or that MS just didn't want Daniel to be involved with anyone as it destracted from the story I don't know, but I can't help but feel excited at the prospect of someone caring just for him (if that makes sense) :o :)

[Mickey23]

....becuase I often felt he was being pushed away from the team in Seasons 4,5,7 and 8 and not being allowed meaningful relashionships with anyone, whether this is down to TPTB not wanting a destraction form J/S ship (which even standing on my head I just didn't see the chemistry ;) :P) or that MS just didn't want Daniel to be involved with anyone as it destracted from the story I don't know, but I can't help but feel excited at the prospect of someone caring just for him (if that makes sense) :o :)

Sure it makes sense.
I know how you feel about feeling he was pushed away from the team in S 4, 5, 7, and 8. In fact, MS made some comments about that and about missing Daniel interacting with his teammates/friends in some interviews he did after he left the show at the end of S5. (I can't remember which interview, I just remember reading it.) And I totally understand that concern.

What always confused me, though, was what occurred after his return in S7. I never got a clear understanding of exactly why he returned or what he was promised (It's not the audience's business really and I understand wanting privacy on this issue. Whatever they talked about, it is between MS and the show producers. That's not to say that I'm not glad he's back, of course I am, I love Daniel!)
But I was expecting more team interaction upon his return, and then I was confused and upset that the same thing kept happening. How many times was Daniel separated from the team? How often did Daniel do his own thing apart from the other members of SG-1/SGC? S7 - Fallen and Homecoming, Lifeboat, Enemy Mine, Avenger 2.0, Evolution Pt 1 and 2; S8 - New Order Pt 1, Icon, Prometheus Unbound, Full Alert, Reckoning Pt 1 and 2, Threads. To be honest, all the cast members seemed to have episodes where they were on their own or apart from their teammates and the episode was focused on them, but it seems like Daniel is once again being ostracized.

So I do agree with you that it is nice to see Daniel interacting with someone, proving that contrary to (apparent) belief, Daniel is not a leper! But I still don't want Vala/Daniel ship. I want Vala/Daniel friendship.

[Dani347]

I agree I want someone to care about Daniel and for that caring to be displayed on screen. So, I don't mind Daniel/Vala friendship. But, I'm stubborn. I dig my toes (and fingers and teeth) in and still say that I want the whole team together and caring.


Daniel is not a leper!

That makes me think of Icon. I thought it was a good episode, and it was one of the few times I saw actual real concern from Jack. But, it's interesting that everything between the two of them (except the start) was when they were in different places. No actual face to face reunion.

And, Ethon Daniel separated, thinking everyone is dead. It was beautiful, in a sad way, to see him grieving, but again, no face to face reunion. They set it up so that Daniel would be separated. I mean, I'm not saying that the situation was set up expressly for that purpose, but that's what happened. Mitchell and Teal'c have real physical contact with Sam. A nice ending scene with Daniel and Mitchell (one that helped this episode rise up some in my eyes) but again, it was when the real emotional aspect of everything had died down

[1DanielForMe]

I did really like the little bit between Daniel and Cameron, but it's bad enough to see Daniel so wrenched like that, without having a deeper emotion in the closure, with the rest of the team.

[nyxlily]

I'm so sad to see this thread disappear all the way back to page 5! There are some very very good and meaningful discussion of the Daniel character here, very insightful and made me think from the other points of view on this character. Which is why I want to see this thread resurrected! I've enjoyed reading the discussions and would love to see more (hoping it just might help me make it to season premier... apologies to anyone who isn't looking forward to it.)

Although with the character taken apart and reasembled from his childhood up so many times, I guess it's understanble that there probably aren't a lot left to discuss. So I will just state, once again, that I adore Daniel; one of the best fictional character ever written. Too bad he's not real.

Well, here's a question then: Does he remind anyone of a real person (male or female)? By his characteristics, his behaviors, his uncorruptable moral beliefs. I won't say by looks as a lot of people can look like other people.. and etc. Sorry if this has been a topic already.. I didn't actually read through 96 pages..

[Lilith]

hi nyxlily! you're not the only one who needs help getting through the season break... most of us are at thunk thread, thunking like crazy during this time of need... anyways, in answer about your question, recently, my friend helped me make an astrological chart for myself. i like daniel, am a cancer. as a matter of fact, if i was born on my due date, he and i would share a birthday. alas i was born two weeks early.... *sigh* anyways, i found it extremely entertaining how much Daniel's character fit his astrological profile.... i'm now convinced that one of the writers is an astrologist or believes in astrology strong enough to refer to an astrology chart when working on Daniel's quality quicks.... my only regret is that, with the exception of Need, we don't really see Daniel's sexual side.... apparently, Cancers are supposed to be major horndogs... definately explains my frame of mind ;)..... anyways, point i'm trying to make, is that most, if not all, Cancers will remind in some way or how in mannerism of Daniel.

oh and for reviving the thread, i'm sendin green your way :D

[Dani347]

Thanks for reviving the thread, nyxlily! If Daniel the character can come back from the dead a few times, it's only fitting that his thread does.

I actually can't think of anyone in real life who really embodies Daniel's qualities. Maybe myself, in that I can be very stubborn and can geek out about things that might not interest anybody else. Oh, and I talk fast. And, sometimes when I'm really flustered or frustrated, I can trip over my words like Daniel. Maybe that's why I like him. Because I'm self centered, and like characters who remind me of myself;) My brother is a genius like Daniel, but he's not at all like him in any other respect.

I find Daniel shares a lot of traits that I find endearing in fictional characters. I've said before that the reason I started watching Stargate in the first place was because someone said that Daniel was my type of character based on another character in another tv show.

[1DanielForMe]

Yes, bless you, nyxlily! I was trying to bring the thread back but I couldn't think of a topic for some reason.

I am definitely quite a bit like Daniel: I'm extremely empathetic. I honestly would sacrifice my life for someone else, if I didn't I couldn't live with myself anyway. I love learning about people, who we are, why we are, different cultures and traditions, differences and similarities. I am a total history buff (particularly Egyptian history), as well as fascinated by mythology. Also, well, I'm pretty darn smart, probably not as smart as Daniel, but genius level, so, yeah.

Ayan, going off topic a bit, I wouldn't say all Cancers are "horndogs". I mean, if you look at the way Daniel is when he likes a gal, he's no sort of slimeball (and 'Need' doesn't count, because that's not Daniel, not really). I know more Cancers than any other sign, and they're all different, but none are sex crazed. I'm not saying no Cancers are like that, I'm just saying I'm certain that one's astrological sign has absolutely no bearing on their personality.

[discodiva]

Got to agree with that one there....my b/day is 7th July (one day before Daniel's) ....I think "passionate but loyal" does sum us Cancerians up very well......when we truly fall in love it's the whole way and possibly one of the most important and lasting things in our lives.....I think this applies to Daniel and his love for Share....if she hadn't been taken from him I think his love and loyalty and faithfulness would have been forever....:) However if that had happened then his part in the story would have been pretty short I guess!..;)

As for other traits well I'm not sure but I think Daniel could err on the side of moodiness and a touch of the sulks if he can't get his point of view across to some people....I know I do sometimes....:( Again though I'm not sure if that's astrological or just a personality trait I get from the way he is portrayed...

First time contributing to this thread although I've always kept up with reading each post....be gentle with me!...;)

Deeds xx

[Lilith]

Ayan, going off topic a bit, I wouldn't say all Cancers are "horndogs". I mean, if you look at the way Daniel is when he likes a gal, he's no sort of slimeball (and 'Need' doesn't count, because that's not Daniel, not really). I know more Cancers than any other sign, and they're all different, but none are sex crazed. I'm not saying no Cancers are like that, I'm just saying I'm certain that one's astrological sign has absolutely no bearing on their personality.
ok, so maybe not complete horndogs, but Cancerians are supposedly have stronger sexual conotations.... i wish i had my friends book so I could tell you guys exactly what it says.... one thing i do remember is that most Canerians have a hard exterior and may seem emotionless and/or callous on the outside, but are very emotional and tender on the inside, which we really see with Daniel... at first glance, yes he's very compassionate, but he's also reserved. it's not until you get to know him do you see who he truely is. he's not someone who awards trust easily, and once your in, your in. another thing it said was that Cancers are proned to trouble and hurt, which definately fits Daniel.... no one gets into more trouble or gets hurt more often than him.

[Dani347]

If Daniel isn't quick to trust, I don't think that's an ingrained personality trait, but something that's been developed over years of finding enemies and getting knocked down. I mean, in CotG, he jumped out unarmed to greet a bunch of aliens he didn't know, which led Jack to say that he hadn't changed.

I'm not sure if I consider reserved to be the same as appearing emotionless or callous. I do agree that he does get hurt easily, (emotional hurt) again, probably more in the early years, but there's some of that now. But, I think that's because he's more open than most.

Personally, I'm glad Daniel hasn't been written as a "horndog" *shudder* or anything like that.

[Dani347]

I have a question, to help me work on a theory. For those people who like Daniel, when you're listing the character traits that attract you to someone, does physical prowess and the ability to protect someone rank high on your list? And, this isn't about whether or not Daniel could protect someone (I mean through his physical skill), but whether or not his fans see that as an essential quality, or even a quality that's of high importance.

Okay, here's why I'm asking. I was on a forum for the show Numb3rs. For those who don't know it, the premise is two brothers, one's an FBI agent, one's a math genius - They Fight Crime!. Someone asked which character was everyone's favorite. When people said the FBI agent (Don) one of the reasons that kept popping up was because they felt that he could protect them. Sometimes they would make a point of comparing him to his brother (Charlie), like "I like Charlie, but Don's my favorite, because if I were in danger, he could beat the bad guys." (paraphrasing) I found it interesting, because I've never really had that on my list of attractive qualities for a character. I don't find it unattractive, it's just never been on my list period. I'm more interested in whether or not a character is engaging, interesting, likable, and sweet (being a protector doesn't mean you can't be all these things as well) than whether or not they have the ability to protect.

To bring this back to Daniel, especially in the first season, I've gotten the feeling that one of the reasons some people didn't count him as their favorite was because he wasn't in the role of protector. It was a quality that was high on their list for what made an attractive (personality-wise) character, and they found Daniel lacking in it. Like I said, that's not high on my list. It's not something I oppose, but if someone asked me to make up a list of character traits for an ideal guy, (especially in fiction) being a protector would be behind a lot of other traits if it made the cut at all. So, I wonder if others feel this way.

[Toresica]

Being able to beat up the bad guys doesn't lead to a lot of interesting storylines - that's probably on reason why Teal'C wound up doing the Jaffa High Council stuff.

Stargate doesn't really have a dedicated "protector" any more - they have "fearless leader", "socio-political geek", "astrophysicist egghead", and "token alien", and all four of the main characters can handle a gun.

I'd have expected a lot of people would really like season 1 Daniel because they see themselves in him.

[Dani347]

Stargate doesn't really have a dedicated "protector" any more - they have "fearless leader", "socio-political geek", "astrophysicist egghead", and "token alien", and all four of the main characters can handle a gun.

Yeah, I wasn't really thinking in terms of position but more character trait. I mean if I were to describe Daniel to someone who had never watched the show, first thing would be he's super intelligent, then, I'd probably mention his sensitivity and stubborness. I probably wouldn't volunteer any info about whether or not he had the ability to protect people (not as a position, but as a skill). Not because of a lack of skill or not, but because it's not a main factor of who he is.

I just mean that sometimes when people mention why they like a certain character best, they list the feeling that said character would make them feel safe as the main quality. But, at least some people (me included) who like characters like Daniel don't often voluntarily list that quality. If asked, they might say yes, it's nice to have. And, might mention skill with a weapon if asked, but it wouldn't be the first thing they'd mention in relation to Daniel.

[Lilith]

in truth, the only reason i ever tuned into SG1 was b/c of the mythology draw... i mean, i was into scifi, but SG1 never caught my eye until i was bored... i chose one heck of an epi [( Fragile Balance )] to start watching.... Daniel was still rediscovering himself and so naturally was drawn to Jack, but not b/c he's the protector or the fearless leader, but b/c of his witt and sarcasm..... of course once i got hooked, i never missed an epi, and i caught up quick on the S1-6, as well as the movie..... the more i watched, the more i fell in love with Daniel..... now it's not Daniel per se, but the Idea of Daniel... a geek pacafist who is willing to set aside moral values and learn to defend himself if the situation called for it, on top of which he's chivalous and always looks for a moralistic out before resorting to violence.... The concept that Daniel represents is so rare in the world and for me he has become the mold for the perfect man.... not to mention his sence of humor is to die for and his perseverance can't be matched.... i mean i still love Jack, but sometimes he allows the military to restrict him even though he is better than that.... he's a afraid to buck the system too much.... Daniel isn't, and i think that's what i like most about him.... anyways, that just happens to be how I feel about it. what do you think? ;) :P

[Scarym1]

What really drew me to Daniel is his whole personality. He just has this great screen presense, I just can't help but be drawn to him.

I love Daniel's passionate defense of what he believes in. His compassion for others. His intelligence, and his loyalty. He would go to hell and back for you.
His willingness to give so much of himself and expecting nothing in return. Despite the personal sacrifices he has made to help others, Shyla (I think that is her name) in "NEED", to saving the people of Kelowna & the tragedy of "ETHON", he still out there trying to help.

In his own way he is protecting others, using his intelligence and compassion to do it instead of using a weapon. It never occurred to me to list that as a character trait. It is just something he does naturally.

[fishyone]

Yeah, I wasn't really thinking in terms of position but more character trait. I mean if I were to describe Daniel to someone who had never watched the show, first thing would be he's super intelligent, then, I'd probably mention his sensitivity and stubborness. I probably wouldn't volunteer any info about whether or not he had the ability to protect people (not as a position, but as a skill). Not because of a lack of skill or not, but because it's not a main factor of who he is.

I just mean that sometimes when people mention why they like a certain character best, they list the feeling that said character would make them feel safe as the main quality. But, at least some people (me included) who like characters like Daniel don't often voluntarily list that quality. If asked, they might say yes, it's nice to have. And, might mention skill with a weapon if asked, but it wouldn't be the first thing they'd mention in relation to Daniel.

Okay, here's my thought... I am a sucker for the damsel-in-distress getting rescued by her hero. Yet I'm also a fan of independent, strong-willed women who fend for themselves. Sound hard to merge? It is. However, I love Daniel because of his compassion and knowledge, his inner strength, boundless generousity and kindness and his loyalty. The thing is that, even in the early seasons when he wasn't as "buff" or trained, he was protecting people in a way that no one else on the show did: he protected them emotionally. As Scarym1 said, he did this with his intelligence and compassion. Sure, someone else could have taken down a few dozen Jaffa when Daniel couldn't, but that same someone wouldn't tell you that you didn't have to go through this alone, recommend detachment (even if only by example), or refuse to acknowledge the emotional stuff in general. They can protect you, but a shield is still a shield. You can't get close. The thing that draws people to Daniel is that he is open to them.

Or at least it seems that way to me...

[nyxlily]

Daniel is my favorite not because of his ability to protect someone, though he is more than capable. But if I want muscle and brawn, I'd have picked Jack or Teal'c. I like Daniel because of his willingness to do what's right, no matter what (and often at his own expense).

Since there are so many reasons why Daniel is my favorite character. I've made a convenient and easy to read list just for you (with bullet points)! There are no spoilers; I've just put them there in case people don't want the details and just the main points.


Selflessness
His willingness to sacrifice himself for anyone. -Anyone-. Seriously, would anyone else had been so quick to do what he did in Meridian? Saving total strangers who were warned what they were doing was dangerous, but was ignored? I really do wonder if Sam, Jack, or Teal'c would have put themselves in that situation if given the chance. What do you guys think? And there are many many more instances where he put others ahead of himself, not just for his team or people he know. I wonder if he was born with this selflessness or a trait that was instilled in him as he was growing up. Since he had already demonstrated this in the movie, we can safely say he didn't acquire it during his time with SG1.
Compassionate
I don't think I need to elaborate this point as it is pretty self explanatory and it ties in with selflessness.
Intelligent
Erm.. I guess I don't need to elaborate on this point either! Well, I also love the fact that he so relentlessly pursuit knowledge, often endangering himself in the process. The episodes often pointed out to demonstrate the 'essential Daniel' is The First Ones and The Torment of Tantalus and I love both of them.
Unwavering moral stance
Throughout 9 years, despite what people say, Daniel has NOT change in this respect. He might be more proficient with weapons, but he always always try to find a way to talk out of a difficult situation first. But the main point here is that he will do what is morally -right-. Like someone else said already, he will shoot down his enemies only because he -knows- that it would be useless talking to them -enemy Jaffa, Goa'ulds (they're pure evil, no matter what), and our newest enemy: The Ori-. Unless there are instances that I've missed, I'd welcome the correction!
Sense of humor
Need I say more? And he got more snarky as he spent more time with Jack.. but I really love that.
Shallow moment - he's sooooo handsome.
I don't need to say more on this point.


All of these, plus more, and all his flaws, has created in him such a strong and powerful personality. I know some are against the evolving Daniel, but I think in essence, he is still the same. He just know how to defend himself better and not be a burden to his teammates. I also know that its been argued again and again, so I'll let it go at that.

[Toresica]

Like someone else said already, he will shoot down his enemies only because he -knows- that it would be useless talking to them -enemy Jaffa, Goa'ulds (they're pure evil, no matter what), and our newest enemy: The Ori-. Unless there are instances that I've missed, I'd welcome the correction!
Even with Goa'uld and Ori, he did a lot more talking and a lot less shooting.

[GateWarrior]

Hi all. I'm an always-read-the-posts-here-and-sometimes-contribute (though not lately) Daniel Appreciator (& Thunker as some may well know ;)), and I thought I'd add my 2 cents if anyone's interested. :)

I've always thought of Daniel as a "protector of the innocent". Maybe not always with might, but certainly with intent. He has always used what he thought was the best course of action in order to defend others. And for him, this has generally been with his diplomacy, his compassion, his intelligence, & his negotiating skills. That's not to say that he hasn't used what physical ability he has aquired up to that point, but he generally gets his butt kicked (so to speak) when he does. What I admire is that even though he knows that he can likely expect a "whumping", he goes ahead with it anyway. "Damn the consequences to myself", I always hear him say to himself in my mind's eye (or would that be 'ear'? :P). That's a mark of a true hero to me. To do what's right regardless of the personal consequences.


All of these, plus more, and all his flaws, has created in him such a strong and powerful personality. I know some are against the evolving Daniel, but I think in essence, he is still the same. He just know how to defend himself better and not be a burden to his teammates. I also know that its been argued again and again, so I'll let it go at that.

This bring me to another thought...

Nyxilly, you bring up an interesting point that I don't think has ever been discussed (that I can remember anyway).....

What do you (general "you", this is open to anyone) think are Daniel's faults or flaws (as Nyxilly puts it)?

I only ask because it's easy (relatively) to list all his wonderful attributes, but would it be more difficult to list his faults/flaws?

[fishyone]

Hi all. I'm an always-read-the-posts-here-and-sometimes-contribute (though not lately) Daniel Appreciator (& Thunker as some may well know ;)), and I thought I'd add my 2 cents if anyone's interested. :)

I've always thought of Daniel as a "protector of the innocent". Maybe not always with might, but certainly with intent. He has always used what he thought was the best course of action in order to defend others. And for him, this has generally been with his diplomacy, his compassion, his intelligence, & his negotiating skills. That's not to say that he hasn't used what physical ability he has aquired up to that point, but he generally gets his butt kicked (so to speak) when he does. What I admire is that even though he knows that he can likely expect a "whumping", he goes ahead with it anyway. "Damn the consequences to myself", I always hear him say to himself in my mind's eye (or would that be 'ear'? :P). That's a mark of a true hero to me. To do what's right regardless of the personal consequences.

I agree. I like that Daniel looks out for other regardless of the cost to himself.




This bring me to another thought...

Nyxilly, you bring up an interesting point that I don't think has ever been discussed (that I can remember anyway).....

What do you (general "you", this is open to anyone) think are Daniel's faults or flaws (as Nyxilly puts it)?

I only ask because it's easy (relatively) to list all his wonderful attributes, but would it be more difficult to list his faults/flaws?

I guess I can think of a few. At first, he's a little naive. And no, that's not necessarily a bad thing, but he was rather impulsive, too, and it ended up with him getting in trouble. He can be self-righteous and stubborn when he feels that he is right. He has a tendency to put aside the mission for personal reasons... I guess you could say that his emotions can cloud his judgment at times... (don't get me wrong; I love that he thinks with his heart). Sometimes he insists on the peaceful solution after it is obvious that it won't work...

Um... I think that's all for now...

*ducks and covers*

I love Daniel, I do....

[1DanielForMe]

Wow! Well, I personally love that he thinks with his heart, I mean he doesn't always insist on the peaceful way, and as far as I see, when he does, the peaceful way is still possible. Also, when he's "self-righteous and stubborn when he feels that he is right', well, he usually is right, and he's merely trying his damnedest to get people to realise that they’re making a huge mistake in not listening to him.

Okay, so, um, faults... well, He's very impatient. He's often slow to forgive, and tends to hold grudges when a "mistake" costs innocent lives. As well, if someone does something that frustrates him, he'll tend to carry it over their shoulder, as it were, and be a bit nasty to them for a while, he can actually be rather childish at times. When Daniel's stressed, he's very short with most everyone. He's also extremely hard on himself. He does everything he can to help, and when things don't work out, he always feels he could have somehow done more, like it's all his fault that things went wrong, when in fact, if it weren't for him, things often could be even worse. That being said, I love the man, "flaws" and all. Daniel is real, and real people are not perfect, not by general "standards", but Daniel is who he is, and as far as I’m concerned, who he is, is absolute perfection!

[fishyone]

Wow! Well, I personally love that he thinks with his heart, I mean he doesn't always insist on the peaceful way, and as far as I see, when he does, the peaceful way is still possible. Also, when he's "self-righteous and stubborn when he feels that he is right', well, he usually is right, and he's merely trying his damnedest to get people to realise that they’re making a huge mistake in not listening to him.

Okay, so, um, faults... well, He's very impatient. He's often slow to forgive, and tends to hold grudges when a "mistake" costs innocent lives. As well, if someone does something that frustrates him, he'll tend to carry it over their shoulder, as it were, and be a bit nasty to them for a while, he can actually be rather childish at times. When Daniel's stressed, he's very short with most everyone. That being said, I love the man, "flaws" and all. Daniel is real, and real people are not perfect, not by general "standards", but Daniel is who he is, and as far as I’m concerned, who he is, is absolute perfection!

Oh, I do agree. I was listing what people could consider faults (using my sister the almost Daniel hater as an example)... Even Daniel's flaws seem rather beautiful to me... They're so few that they don't mar the overall near perfection of his character... at least to me... That's why I ducked and covered... I had a feeling that trying to list his flaws would get me in trouble...

[Dani347]

Hmm, flaws. Are you crazy? Daniel's perfect! No, just kidding. I'd say some of his flaws are also strengths, depending on the situation. He's incredibly argumentative. When he's right, that's a good thing, but I think it would take a lot to convince him that he's wrong. He can, on occasion be childish. Not childlike, but childish. Although he can be childlike as well, which is a strength, imo. Funny, I find both pretty cute. When he's feeling really bad, he has a tendency to close himself off. Heroes, he hides away from everyone. In Ethon when he thought SG1 had been killed, he distanced himself emotionally, since he couldn't physically. Funny, because he's often the one to seek out others when they're feeling bad.

I don't know if his habit of baiting enemies and his sarcastic tongue count as flaws. I do know I found this little remark, "“No idea, well not 'no idea', just not much of one yet, but work on it.” from The Fifth Race unnecessary, and just something he wanted to say to get back at those scientists who didn't know what they were doing when Sam and Teal'c were trapped on the planet. I always think of that when people say Daniel is just recently becoming too sarcastic.

And, I see reading that I'm not the only one who's listed a tendency to childishness as one of his flaws.

[fishyone]

And, I see reading that I'm not the only one who's listed a tendency to childishness as one of his flaws.

Well, I didn't mention it only because I overlooked it... I hadn't really thought of it that way... I do have a hard time finding things that I dislike about Daniel's character, because I like him so much. As I said, I based most of mine on my sister's complaints... I was trying to find someway of putting it besides, "He's so whiney and he keeps getting them in trouble," which is not exactly a direct quote. Daniel's childishness can be a strength... And I am amazed and awed by the fact that he has seen and done so much and remained positive, looking for the good, and rarely (if ever) bitter.

[Dani347]

I think that's the difference between childish and childlike. I'd say Daniel's reaction to Chaka in The First Ones was childlike and gained him a friend. He knew Chaka had him hostage and at that time was a threat, but he still had a curiosity that I can see a child having if they put their fears aside. I really can't see any of the others caring what Chaka was doing with that meditating thing he did, not unless it related directly to them getting out the situation. And, I can't see anyone else but Daniel playing "pass the symbiote" I think all of that allowed him to turn Chaka into a friend. Plus, his desire to want to see new people as potential friends is childlike and a good thing.

As for childish, I'd have to use Prometheus Unbound as an example. Daniel threatening to quit if he couldn't get his way was incredibly childish, since I don't for one minute believe he meant it. He was, essentially saying he was going to hold his breath until he got his way. Empty threats, so I thought Jack's response was appropriate. Some of his sarcasm is kind of childish, in trying to get in the last word. The famous Fifth Race "did, didn't, did, didn't" was really two boys going back and forth. Cute, not problematic, but not exactly mature.

[fishyone]

I think that's the difference between childish and childlike. I'd say Daniel's reaction to Chaka in The First Ones was childlike and gained him a friend. He knew Chaka had him hostage and at that time was a threat, but he still had a curiosity that I can see a child having if they put their fears aside. I really can't see any of the others caring what Chaka was doing with that meditating thing he did, not unless it related directly to them getting out the situation. And, I can't see anyone else but Daniel playing "pass the symbiote" I think all of that allowed him to turn Chaka into a friend. Plus, his desire to want to see new people as potential friends is childlike and a good thing.

As for childish, I'd have to use Prometheus Unbound as an example. Daniel threatening to quit if he couldn't get his way was incredibly childish, since I don't for one minute believe he meant it. He was, essentially saying he was going to hold his breath until he got his way. Empty threats, so I thought Jack's response was appropriate. Some of his sarcasm is kind of childish, in trying to get in the last word. The famous Fifth Race "did, didn't, did, didn't" was really two boys going back and forth. Cute, not problematic, but not exactly mature.

I agree. I think you make your point very well. Daniel's sense of curiousity was the reason he gained Chaka (and others) as friends. Had it been someone else, the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality would probably have prevailed and lost the SGC valuable allies. And the did not/did too is funny though immature. Nice analogy with his empty threat, too. :)

[JessM]

Hi all, I think I might have visited this thread and posted once, but it was ages ago... (then again, maybe I just have a bad memory, lol)...

Great to be here and show some love for Daniel! :daniel:

[Dani347]

Welcome!

On the subject of flaws, when Sam was trying to convince Daniel to come home after he descended, she said if he had one fault it was that he cared so much about helping people that it tore him up when he couldn't. Paraphrasing. We've already made a list of other flaws, but would you count this as one? Of course, caring and wanting to help and feeling for others isn't a bad thing. But, can you care too much? Does the amount of caring ever interfere with actual helping? And, does Daniel fit the bill?

[golfbooy]

Welcome!
Ok, I'll bite. I always feel like I should post in here, but strangely never seem to have much to contribute. I like Daniel. I think he warrants a bit of discussion every now and then. Yet my posts in this thread up to this point reach the astounding number of zero. Perhaps I need to make more of an effort. Or, perhaps TPTB need to involve Carter, Teal'c, and Daniel in things a bit more. Anyway, I might as well take the plunge.


On the subject of flaws, when Sam was trying to convince Daniel to come home after he descended, she said if he had one fault it was that he cared so much about helping people that it tore him up when he couldn't. Paraphrasing. We've already made a list of other flaws, but would you count this as one? Of course, caring and wanting to help and feeling for others isn't a bad thing. But, can you care too much? Does the amount of caring ever interfere with actual helping? And, does Daniel fit the bill?
Yes, I think you can care too much, and yes, I do think that Daniel does fit the bill from time to time. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing; every character has to have some flaws. This one is uniquely Daniel's. And I do think that there have been times when Daniel's need to help, his need to make a difference, has in fact forced him into making bad decisions.

His need to protect Abydos at all costs in Full Circle put him in a situation where he actually handed Anubis the Eye of Ra. I know he was willing to fight Anubis himself, and I know he believed that he could stop Anubis from destroying Abydos if he had to, but I don't believe that any of those decisions on Daniel's part were made with a very clear head. He didn't have a clue what Oma or the Others were going to do, yet he still went ahead and gave Anubis the last piece of his superweapon. I think that there, and in other cases, Daniel tends to overestimate the amount of change he can elicit in any given situation. That is, sometimes I think that Daniel believes that he, or even SG-1 or Earth in general, can make more of a difference than they do. And I think that no matter how strong a force for good that the Tau'ri become, it will never be enough for Daniel. To a certain point that's endearing; after that point it becomes a fatal flaw that needs to be overcome. And Daniel is way too intelligent of a person not to want to overcome it. This is one of the reasons that Daniel's change in demeanor from the early seasons doesn't bother me as much as it does some others. He has to change and evolve. For Daniel part of that means getting past his need to evoke the massive changes in the lives of others that he wants to make and focusing on the small, seemingly insignificant changes he knows he can make.

[Dani347]

I agree about Full Circle. Giving Anubis the Eye of Ra was a big mistake, and I don't think he should have assumed he could handle Anubis if (and he should have expected it) he backed out on his word. I thought it was overconfident of Daniel to proclaim that nothing would happen to the people of Abydos.

And, very interesting theory about wanting to do good being a fatal flaw. I like the idea of a characters strengths being their weaknesses if they carry them too far or in the wrong circumstances.

[nyxlily]

I like that, his 'fatal flaw' being that he cares too much. He just doesn't learn, does he? He let his believe that all people are generally good inside or could be reasoned with cloud his judgement.

I think the best recent episode to demonstrate this is Ethon. I mean, he was betrayed in the very beginning, the man he tried to talk to apparently killed his friends in cold blood, after that he still try to reason with the guy.. and he was betrayed a second time when he talked Mitchell from blowing the weapon up. He still thought the two people could work things out, but of course they don't. Did he learn anything from this? I love him because of his inherent believe in people.. but he can't let that get in the way where he could get his friends KILLED. It's not like he was never betrayed before this.. so.. should I admire him because of his ability to trust people? Well, I can't help it.. I think I love him because of it.

ETA: spoiler tags! Sorry!

[golfbooy]

I agree about Full Circle. Giving Anubis the Eye of Ra was a big mistake, and I don't think he should have assumed he could handle Anubis if (and he should have expected it) he backed out on his word. I thought it was overconfident of Daniel to proclaim that nothing would happen to the people of Abydos.

And, very interesting theory about wanting to do good being a fatal flaw. I like the idea of a characters strengths being their weaknesses if they carry them too far or in the wrong circumstances.
Yeah. Another example is in Scorched Earth, where Daniel's need to save both the Enkarans and the Gadmeer forced Jack into having to choose between blowing him up or dooming an entire people. Which is also the same mistake Mitchell made in Arthur's Mantle when he foolishly ran off to "save" Teal'c. He only thought about himself and what he "had" to do, not how his actions would effect others. The difference is that I think it was in character for Daniel and intentional on the part of the writers where Scorched Earth is concerned, but just plain thoughtless and incidental for Mitchell in Arthur's Mantle.

For the record, it's that ability to see the big picture, to understand how everyone's individual actions would come together to effect things as a whole (and sometimes on a galactic level) that made Jack O'niell the undisputed leader of SG-1. Jack was almost never out of control, and when he was, it was something uncommon.

[Dani347]

Nyxlily, I think the Ethon stuff should be in spoilers. And, yes, I think Daniel should be admired for his ability to care. In itself, it's not a bad thing and I think it's helped a whole lot. But, when it gets taken too far or blinds him or interferes with actually helping someone (maybe caring so much for one it makes him forget the bigger picture that could cause more problems) than it becomes a problem.

[FooledAgain]

Hi,
I'm new here (that is, on this thread) :)

I am right now in the middle of season 8 (although I did watch season 9 and the end of season 8 before, only that it was before I saw the entire series in order).
Unfortunately, I didn't have the time yet to read all 98 pages...just wanted to say how much I admire the character of Daniel Jackson. I tend to think that he is the most interesting character on the show...allthough I love Sam too. And Jack. And Tealc ;) ...
Anyway, I just LOVE him :daniel: :o

[JessM]

Welcome!

On the subject of flaws, when Sam was trying to convince Daniel to come home after he descended, she said if he had one fault it was that he cared so much about helping people that it tore him up when he couldn't. Paraphrasing. We've already made a list of other flaws, but would you count this as one? Of course, caring and wanting to help and feeling for others isn't a bad thing. But, can you care too much? Does the amount of caring ever interfere with actual helping? And, does Daniel fit the bill?

Thank you! :)

I'm not sure if I could count that as a flaw, but speaking from personal experience it seems that those who care too much can only get burned...or hurt... Some can see it as a weakness (though I necessarily do not) and exploit it. In a way, you end up hurting yourself. I suppose that sounds kind of selfish. I don't know if I could say that Daniel cares too much, but he does seem to care a lot more than others would in some circumstances. I wish I could think of some examples, but off the top of my head I'm coming up with nothing at the moment.

[JessM]

I agree about Full Circle. Giving Anubis the Eye of Ra was a big mistake, and I don't think he should have assumed he could handle Anubis if (and he should have expected it) he backed out on his word. I thought it was overconfident of Daniel to proclaim that nothing would happen to the people of Abydos.

And, very interesting theory about wanting to do good being a fatal flaw. I like the idea of a characters strengths being their weaknesses if they carry them too far or in the wrong circumstances.

Ah, that's one of the things I was thinking of, but I was drawing a blank there... I agree about Full Circle, too.

[JessM]

I like that, his 'fatal flaw' being that he cares too much. He just doesn't learn, does he? He let his believe that all people are generally good inside or could be reasoned with cloud his judgement.

I think the best recent episode to demonstrate this is Ethon. I mean, he was betrayed in the very beginning, the man he tried to talk to apparently killed his friends in cold blood, after that he still try to reason with the guy.. and he was betrayed a second time when he talked Mitchell from blowing the weapon up. He still thought the two people could work things out, but of course they don't. Did he learn anything from this? I love him because of his inherent believe in people.. but he can't let that get in the way where he could get his friends KILLED. It's not like he was never betrayed before this.. so.. should I admire him because of his ability to trust people? Well, I can't help it.. I think I love him because of it.

ETA: spoiler tags! Sorry!


That's a good point. Even though Daniel has changed quite a bit over the years and has become less naive than he was in the early seasons, I think he still retains a bit of that naivete (sp?), as that example shows. It's as if he gives people too much credit sometimes. Not saying he should be suspicious of *everyone's* intentions, but it does show how things can blow up in his face from time to time.

Well, the second spoiler certainly seems to be good news, imho. :)

[JessM]

Nyxlily, I think the Ethon stuff should be in spoilers. And, yes, I think Daniel should be admired for his ability to care. In itself, it's not a bad thing and I think it's helped a whole lot. But, when it gets taken too far or blinds him or interferes with actually helping someone (maybe caring so much for one it makes him forget the bigger picture that could cause more problems) than it becomes a problem.

Agree with that. I definitely admire his ability to care, but it can be taken too far sometimes.

[JessM]

Hi,
I'm new here (that is, on this thread) :)

I am right now in the middle of season 8 (although I did watch season 9 and the end of season 8 before, only that it was before I saw the entire series in order).
Unfortunately, I didn't have the time yet to read all 98 pages...just wanted to say how much I admire the character of Daniel Jackson. I tend to think that he is the most interesting character on the show...allthough I love Sam too. And Jack. And Tealc ;) ...
Anyway, I just LOVE him :daniel: :o

Welcome, FooledAgain! I'm new here, too, and I find this a very nice place. :)

[FooledAgain]

Welcome, FooledAgain! I'm new here, too, and I find this a very nice place. :)

Thanks! :)

[Pitry]

That's a good point. Even though Daniel has changed quite a bit over the years and has become less naive than he was in the early seasons, I think he still retains a bit of that naivete (sp?), as that example shows. It's as if he gives people too much credit sometimes. Not saying he should be suspicious of *everyone's* intentions, but it does show how things can blow up in his face from time to time.



*Throws self into discussion*
Hmm... but did he, completely, really?
I guess from here it's spoiler tags for the second half of season 8-season 9, so be warned.

I'm not sure these bits of naivete on Daniel's part on Ethon are really that - everything from his ascension forward, and especially the ending of seaosn 8 and season 9 has led me to believe it's not Daniel really believing, but rather believing he has to believe.
I'll try and explain.
Since his ascension he's had to face with one disillusioment after the other. True, some of it happened before. Sha'uri's death, for example, Sarah - you cna see it in Meridian, methinks. It looks like he does find some odd sort of comfort in the thought of death, take away his defences of "everything's going to be okay" and "people are inherently good", and you get some of the things he says there. Then he's having to deal, not necessarily his ascension but what he learned of himself in Full Circle, Orpheus and the likes. The main differnece in Daniel after his descension is that he seems to be unwilling to play it by the rules anymore, when he disagree with them. But he still has some sort of naivete - he still believes the Ancients are right. That's taken away in Threads - I know I came out of this episode feeling he no longer has faith in them - you can see it in Origin, too "I didn't think they did anything for us" - that does seem, in a way, the last bit of naievety that's taken away from him, doesn't it? The world isn't just, ascended beings aren't "good"... and from then on - I guess I'm focusing more on his conversation with Jack - he did admit that he's scared. Why scared? Not because he's never been scared of the Goa'uld before, for Sha'uri, etc. Because now he doesn't really believe they're going to win this one. I guess that's also how I see Ethon - he tries to believe them. He wants to believe them. But you can see in the "catatonic" bit before he jumps off with the "Oh, Prometheus has beaming technology" - it's like he needs to remind himself of that, it no longer comes in naturally. Perhaps again in Camelot - he's trying to talk to the Orii warriors, but from his own shrug in response to Mitchell's question on whether it's going to work or not it doesn't seem like he believes it will. He just believes he has to try.

Maybe this belief he has to try can also be seen as some sort of naivete. But for me naivete connects with hope, and I think that's something Daniel lost in the last years, together with his naivete.

[Piratejenna]

*Throws self into discussion*
Maybe this belief he has to try can also be seen as some sort of naivete. But for me naivete connects with hope, and I think that's something Daniel lost in the last years, together with his naivete.

The thing is - it's very easy to care, and have hope, when you are young. It's almost as though humans are predisposed in their early years to be curious and experimental and to explore and to feel. It's easy to be passionate and idealistic, and you have the energy to back it up and the innocence to believe you can make a difference. As you grow older, life slaps you in the face, the failures build up, and the energy dissipates. At that stage, most people retreat. They either become angry, or cynical, or apathetic, or resigned, or they focus their feelings on the small parts of life where they still feel they can make a difference. Daniel's one of the few, special, people who resist this. As he gets older, he's had to make a choice - whether to let his experiences drag him down, or continue caring and believing he can make a difference. Yes, the older Daniel has changed. He's no longer following his youthful instincts and going with his natural idealistic flow. Instead - he's consciously choosing to care. He's choosing to retain some of his idealism in the face of harsh reality. Daniel doesn't have the external prop of Duty that the military characters have. He has to find his own motivation to carry on. I don't think he's naive, and I don't think he has lost his idealism or his hope. I think he is a man who has chosen to remain true to his younger self, and stayed in touch with the things that drove him from the start. But through choice and self-awareness - he's taken the harder path.

I think it's an amazing tribute to Michael's quality as an actor that we're able to have this type of discussion. From commentaries and interviews, it's obvious that TPTB, influenced by RDA's own preference, took a deliberate decision in season 1 to avoid character development. Partly because RDA didn't want to carry psychological baggage from one episode to the next, and partly because of the idiocies of syndication which meant the show was often aired out of order, they took a decision that the characters should always be instantly familiar and understandable no matter what season it was. This was certainly successful in making Stargate a very accessible show, but it was at the price of character depth. Despite that environment, MS kept working like a traditional theatre-trained actor - looking for Daniel's motivation and development, and enabling him to grow in the nuances of the script and performance. I suspect one of the reasons MS is so happy now is because he finally has allies on set - both BB and CB are very character-oriented and are passionate about psychological consequences impacting on their performance. So while it's easy to feel a pang of nostalgia for young idealistic Daniel, I love looking at where he's been and where he's going because it's rooted in a real sense of the truth of life. We all grow older, and consciously or unconsciously, these choices - whether to take the easy road or the hard one - come to us all.

[Pitry]

You make some very good points, Piratejenna.

I agree that Daniel choose to still care, still be an idealist - but exactly as you said - "But through choice and self-awareness - he's taken the harder path." I guess that was, in a way, some of my point - when he was younger he really believed those things. Now he chooses to believe them. IT does leave room for the cynic in there, that very choice. And I think that does also leave room to that lose of hope I was talking about earlier - a lot of what drove Daniel at the beginning was his hope. His hope to save Sha'uri, his hope to get rid of the Goa'uld... it's that very conscious decision to continue hoping and continue believing that would hint it doesn't come as easily as before.

I've been thinking with season 9, especially, about what an interesting symmetry there is between Teal'c and Daniel on that level. Teal'c started the show the hope-less warrior, that joins in with SG1 - not because I think he believed he could make a difference, but because he believed he had to try. As more and more Jaffa came to see his way, more and more Jaffa got ocnvinced, and more and more Goa'uld died - cough, and seeing Apophis die twice or so :) - he gained hope. He'd seen death and destruction from the day he was born. He never had that hope or innocence. And now he believes the just will ulitmately win, that those who have the truth on their side will "set it free". Daniel, to me, is the exact opposite.

I don't think I agree with you about the character develpment issue. I do see character development for all 4 leads. True, you see more of it with Daniel and Teal'c than Jack and Sam - but they have changed and evolved over the years, too. I think it's more where the character was coming from - that exact same extreme of the naieve youth or the hopeless warrior - that made these two the more easily developed. Jack and Sam dind't have their beliefs challenges as often or as much as Teal'c or Daniel... but I guess that would also depend on how you define character development, because, quite funnily, I've seen more than one definition of that, and they don't always agree ;)

[Dani347]

*Throws self into discussion*
Hmm... but did he, completely, really?
I guess from here it's spoiler tags for the second half of season 8-season 9, so be warned.

I'm not sure these bits of naivete on Daniel's part on Ethon are really that - everything from his ascension forward, and especially the ending of seaosn 8 and season 9 has led me to believe it's not Daniel really believing, but rather believing he has to believe.
I'll try and explain.
Since his ascension he's had to face with one disillusioment after the other. True, some of it happened before. Sha'uri's death, for example, Sarah - you cna see it in Meridian, methinks. It looks like he does find some odd sort of comfort in the thought of death, take away his defences of "everything's going to be okay" and "people are inherently good", and you get some of the things he says there. Then he's having to deal, not necessarily his ascension but what he learned of himself in Full Circle, Orpheus and the likes. The main differnece in Daniel after his descension is that he seems to be unwilling to play it by the rules anymore, when he disagree with them. But he still has some sort of naivete - he still believes the Ancients are right. That's taken away in Threads - I know I came out of this episode feeling he no longer has faith in them - you can see it in Origin, too "I didn't think they did anything for us" - that does seem, in a way, the last bit of naievety that's taken away from him, doesn't it? The world isn't just, ascended beings aren't "good"... and from then on - I guess I'm focusing more on his conversation with Jack - he did admit that he's scared. Why scared? Not because he's never been scared of the Goa'uld before, for Sha'uri, etc. Because now he doesn't really believe they're going to win this one. I guess that's also how I see Ethon - he tries to believe them. He wants to believe them. But you can see in the "catatonic" bit before he jumps off with the "Oh, Prometheus has beaming technology" - it's like he needs to remind himself of that, it no longer comes in naturally. Perhaps again in Camelot - he's trying to talk to the Orii warriors, but from his own shrug in response to Mitchell's question on whether it's going to work or not it doesn't seem like he believes it will. He just believes he has to try.

Maybe this belief he has to try can also be seen as some sort of naivete. But for me naivete connects with hope, and I think that's something Daniel lost in the last years, together with his naivete.


I don't know if my response needs to be in spoilers, since I don't think I'll reference any episodes, but since it responds to this, I'll put it behind the bars, just in case. I think that's a really sad way to look at it, but it makes sense. It's kind of like Mulder. He wants to believe. And, I agree there was a sense of disillusionment with Meridian. Like he just couldn't fight, because he just couldn't see the use of fighting anymore.

But, it makes me sad to think Daniel losing his hope. Especially since I think he still brings hope to others -thus the last part of my sig line

Season 10 spoilers And, what is Daniel becoming a prior going to do to him?

It's good that Daniel still does choose to care, that he still wants to, even though it is hard. It says he hasn't totally lost those qualities I love and that are who he is. It's just he reaches them differently.

[JessM]

I think that's a really sad way to look at it, but it makes sense. It's kind of like Mulder. He wants to believe. And, I agree there was a sense of disillusionment with Meridian. Like he just couldn't fight, because he just couldn't see the use of fighting anymore.

But, it makes me sad to think Daniel losing his hope. Especially since I think he still brings hope to others -thus the last part of my sig line

I agree with you on that. I like to think that the disillusionment with Meridian reflects how Michael felt about his position in the show. From the interviews I've read, he wasn't happy with some of the directions of the show, especially the ones that dealt mostly with the NID. I can't remember exactly what was said, but he said it was like Daniel wasn't playing an important part in the stories, like he almost became wallpaper - just there for the sake of being there.


Season 10 spoilers And, what is Daniel becoming a prior going to do to him?

That's a really good question, and it's one that worries me a bit. Season 10 spoilers here Is Daniel now going to be siding with the enemy on the show? I don't see how they can bring him back to the way he was. I keep thinking of Gerak at the end of Fourth Horseman Part 2, and it worries me even more. I'd hope they can bring him back in some way, and I'd tend to hope that it would be an experience almost like the way Shifu taught him in that dream in Absolute Power.


It's good that Daniel still does choose to care, that he still wants to, even though it is hard. It says he hasn't totally lost those qualities I love and that are who he is. It's just he reaches them differently.

Very well said. :)

[Dani347]

That's a really good question, and it's one that worries me a bit. Season 10 spoilers here Is Daniel now going to be siding with the enemy on the show? I don't see how they can bring him back to the way he was. I keep thinking of Gerak at the end of Fourth Horseman Part 2, and it worries me even more. I'd hope they can bring him back in some way, and I'd tend to hope that it would be an experience almost like the way Shifu taught him in that dream in Absolute Power.



The thing is, they can easily write a way out of the whole going up in flames. They could have the Ancients find a way to off set it, and have them change their no interference policy, or SG1 could find something on their own, or -and I wouldn't like this- Daniel would use some super powered ascended mojo to stop it. As for Daniel becoming a prior, this really isn't any different from Teal'c siding with Apophis in whatever episode it was with the flashbacks. I don't see him just saying, "screw it, I'm taking up with the Ori. He's either doing because he's thinking it will help beat them -in which case he wouldn't be siding with the enemy anymore than an undercover agent infiltrating a crime organization could be called siding with a criminal- or he'll have somehow been convinced that the Ori are right. And, I'll see him as being deluded, he might have to perform some actions that are bad, but I won't see him as being bad. He won't be being evil willingly, knowing they're evil and choosing to be. Like I said, it sounds like it could be like Teal'c, and I didn't see him losing his honor and nobility. It was still there, and had to be brought back to light. They had to show him who he really was. I'd say this could be the same thing.

[1DanielForMe]

I agree with you on that. I like to think that the disillusionment with Meridian reflects how Michael felt about his position in the show. From the interviews I've read, he wasn't happy with some of the directions of the show, especially the ones that dealt mostly with the NID. I can't remember exactly what was said, but he said it was like Daniel wasn't playing an important part in the stories, like he almost became wallpaper - just there for the sake of being there.Right, well, I don't know what's been said in the spoilers. I never read spoilers, but as far as this, yes, Michael was very upset with the way the show was turning. Personally, as far as the "wallpaper" thing, I see that now. I mean, the series is flowing better if there has to be so much continuation (I do miss the typical earlier seasons way of each episode involving a different premise and not all of this ongoing rut junk). It's just, why so much emphasis on Cameron? I mean, we've learned more about him in such a short time than any of the original SG-1 members. They were there first! Especially Daniel, he opened the Stargate! If you ask me, every episode should focus on him, but at least they could not make it "The Cameron Mitchell Show". He's been helpful, yes, but it's like, really, people, let's put things into perspective.

[JessM]

The thing is, they can easily write a way out of the whole going up in flames. They could have the Ancients find a way to off set it, and have them change their no interference policy, or SG1 could find something on their own, or -and I wouldn't like this- Daniel would use some super powered ascended mojo to stop it. As for Daniel becoming a prior, this really isn't any different from Teal'c siding with Apophis in whatever episode it was with the flashbacks. I don't see him just saying, "screw it, I'm taking up with the Ori. He's either doing because he's thinking it will help beat them -in which case he wouldn't be siding with the enemy anymore than an undercover agent infiltrating a crime organization could be called siding with a criminal- or he'll have somehow been convinced that the Ori are right. And, I'll see him as being deluded, he might have to perform some actions that are bad, but I won't see him as being bad. He won't be being evil willingly, knowing they're evil and choosing to be. Like I said, it sounds like it could be like Teal'c, and I didn't see him losing his honor and nobility. It was still there, and had to be brought back to light. They had to show him who he really was. I'd say this could be the same thing.

I had entertained the "undercover agent" possibility, and I think it seems more likely. I just don't see him going evil just like that. There could be parallels to what Teal'c went through in those episodes... think it was Enemies and Threshold, right? Hopefully they will be able to de-Prior-ize him somehow, though, like with that Ancients idea.

I guess there's no point in really worrying about it until we either get more information, or see it for ourselves. :)

[Otera]

seeing as this thread seems to cycle, how about makeing it more interesting a bit....

Danny's New Glasses!!

[JessM]

Right, well, I don't know what's been said in the spoilers. I never read spoilers, but as far as this, yes, Michael was very upset with the way the show was turning. Personally, as far as the "wallpaper" thing, I see that now. I mean, the series is flowing better if there has to be so much continuation (I do miss the typical earlier seasons way of each episode involving a different premise and not all of this ongoing rut junk). It's just, why so much emphasis on Cameron? I mean, we've learned more about him in such a short time than any of the original SG-1 members. They were there first! Especially Daniel, he opened the Stargate! If you ask me, every episode should focus on him, but at least they could not make it "The Cameron Mitchell Show". He's been helpful, yes, but it's like, really, people, let's put things into perspective.

Exactly. I do miss the way the earlier season episodes flowed, and I think that seasons 1-3 are my favorite out of the bunch. I wasn't too enthralled with this season. I guess they felt they had to put so much emphasis on Mitchell because he was becoming essentially the lead character (though Daniel is definitely a lead character as well)... almost filling Jack's slot, in a way, and they had to just create and show this whole backstory for him. I guess they thought that people would be sitting there, scratching their heads if they just threw him in there without an explanation. I did find a lot of the character stuff boring, though, like the one where he visits the friend in the hospital, and the stuff we saw in Collateral Damage. I think they were probably in a rush to develop his character, and that resulted in giving us too much info and backstory about him in a short time. I think it would be good if they focused on each character individually in a fair way (though I wouldn't mind more Daniel eps :cool: ).

[JessM]

seeing as this thread seems to cycle, how about makeing it more interesting a bit....

Danny's New Glasses!!

lol... I still don't like them too much. I guess in time I'll get used to them, though it was quite a shock seeing them for the first time. And I guess the fact that he's quite airbrushed like the rest of the cast doesn't help matters. Hopefully they (and he) will look better in the actual episodes. :)

[Toresica]

seeing as this thread seems to cycle, how about makeing it more interesting a bit....

Danny's New Glasses!!
I honestly didn't notice until somebody else pointed them out.

I suppose they'll grow on me... and maybe without the airbrushing, they won't look much different.



I think they were probably in a rush to develop his character, and that resulted in giving us too much info and backstory about him in a short time. I think it would be good if they focused on each character individually in a fair way (though I wouldn't mind more Daniel eps :cool: ).
It's still very much an ensemble show, though. There are obviously four lead characters, not a lead and three others.

[Dani347]

I like the glasses. And, I guess I'm immune to airbrushing, because I thought the cast looked fine. Much better than some of the shots last season.

I also have a different opinion on how the show is handling things. I don't feel like it's been a lead and three others. Of course Daniel hasn't driven every story, but I've felt he's had a lot to do and some interesting character moments. I think there's been too much emphasis on Mitchell's background, but not because I think there's been too much Mitchell period, just because I'd rather they concentrate on who he is, not so much on where he came from.

But, I haven't seen the wallpapering of Daniel that others have. A few episodes that I liked specifically for the Daniel content are Stronghold:Daniel working with Bra'tac -something that spoilers had him doing in season 8, which got edited out, so I was glad to see it. Daniel asking questions, something we don't see much off lately. I don't know how much screen time that added up to, but the quality of the scenes were good. And, I remember doing a count of scenes he was in in the episode thread, because I was surprised that people felt that he in particular was wallpapered in that episode, and I thought for an episode that could probably be called half a Mitchell and half a Teal'c episode, there was a pretty fair amount of Daniel. Now, if anyone was wallpapered in that episode, it was Sam. I think there may have been at least 7 scenes with Daniel. And, not blink and you'll miss them. Plus, the nice scene near the end, with Daniel and Sam waiting to hear what happened at the Jaffa council, and Daniel congratulating Bra'tac. Arthur's Mantle Daniel was vital to translating the device, again, in his element, doing Daniel things and getting credit. The ScourgeOkay, I still find Daniel annoying pushing his way into Dr. Shen's space when she was reading -big no no for me- but other than that, nice conversations between them, the beginning of a debate between him and Mitchell, Daniel thinking that they could contact the deux ex machina -I mean Oddyssey- from the whatever station -I don't remember what- and Sam figuring out how to accomplish it -Science Twins again! Camelot The first half, which was much more interesting than the blasted ships and blowing up had Daniel searching for answers, talking to people, looking through old texts. Unfortunately, they resorted to one of my least favorite devices. Something that supposedly requires translating, but the solution ends up being shooting something. Ripple EffectMaybe not a whole lot of Daniel scenes, and I wish they would have made Black Daniel a bit different from our Daniel, just for variety, but still some good stuff. A nice scene between Mitchell and Black Daniel where I believe tptb must be lurking around boards or sneaking peeks at fanfic, because Daniel the coffee snob is a fan thing. And, also him countering Mitchell's speculation that the black team were victims of a mistake that had to be fixed, or actually enemies out for something, by saying maybe this SGC were really the enemies. Then, our Daniel interrogating Black Teal'c, and sounding all curious and interested and excited -sort of like he sounded when he found that Merlin was an Ancient-one of my favorite Daniel scenes- when he found out that Bra'tac was the Jaffa leader. Taking notes and just being Daniel. And, of course, the scenes with Janet. MS did a great job of showing the shock and later the regret that he couldn't save his Janet. PrototypeWell, that was a Daniel episode. Daniel figured out that Khalek was just another form of Anubis, he gave the hard suggestion that it was probably a good idea to kill Khalek, which as I've said, I felt was in keeping with who Daniel is, he got the fatal shot in.

There are also small moments that I really liked, that don't seem like much individually, but just give a picture of Daniel being active and are just nice. So, no, I don't feel that Daniel has been wallpapered last season or that there's been too much focus Mitchell.

Oops. I accidentally pressed the italics icon instead of spoilers. Hopefully I got it before spoiling people on the last episode. But, why isn't the spoiler button there when you edit? I had to manually type in the code. *lazy*

[Pitry]

To add a bit more about Daniel's involvement in season 9...

It's interesting to notice that whenever someone's debriefing Landry, it's Daniel. I'm not tlaking about general briefing scenes, but rather the one-offs conversations with the CO. Jack with Hammond, Carter (mostly) with Jack but this season I've noticed that the vast majority of them were Daniel with Landry.

And I dind't see the second part as the Cameron Mitchell Show, too. It felt much more balanced actually than the first part. While I'm not complaining - I think seaosn 9 is the first ever season (perhaps other than 6) where I enjoyed the first part of the season better than the second - I also really enjoyed the second part and found it much more balanced character-wise - and team-wise, as we actually had team episodes on that part! :D

On the shallow side - nice new glasses. At leas tthey're not the ones from Moebius, eek. :D But let me get this straight - dying twice couldn't get him to change his glasses! How come they're changing them now? :)

[Dani347]

To add a bit more about Daniel's involvement in season 9...

It's interesting to notice that whenever someone's debriefing Landry, it's Daniel. I'm not tlaking about general briefing scenes, but rather the one-offs conversations with the CO. Jack with Hammond, Carter (mostly) with Jack but this season I've noticed that the vast majority of them were Daniel with Landry.


Interesting. I noticed a few times when he talked with Landry -like in Stronghold for one, but not a pattern. Very good. I guess either Landry got used to Daniel's tendency to give maybe more info than necessary/talking really fast to get it all out, or Daniel adjusted his approach so Landry doesn't have the urge to strangle him;)


And I dind't see the second part as the Cameron Mitchell Show, too. It felt much more balanced actually than the first part. While I'm not complaining - I think seaosn 9 is the first ever season (perhaps other than 6) where I enjoyed the first part of the season better than the second - I also really enjoyed the second part and found it much more balanced character-wise - and team-wise, as we actually had team episodes on that part! :D

Well, frankly, I felt Mitchell was wallpapered in the first half -mostly due to Vala, but in the second, the only episodes that were really Mitchell episodes were Stronghold -again, one of my favorite episodes mainly for Daniel, and Collateral Damage, which didn't have a lot of Daniel, but it was just an episode Plus, although there wasn't a lot shown, it was implied that Daniel was doing stuff. He was trying to find answers. Actually a lot of the episodes had Daniel trying to find answers. Much better than season 7, where a lot of Daniel was shooting and wearing those ugly muscle shirts.


On the shallow side - nice new glasses. At leas tthey're not the ones from Moebius, eek. :D But let me get this straight - dying twice couldn't get him to change his glasses! How come they're changing them now? :)

*pats Geek Daniel* He's all mine! Maybe Vala kept tormenting him until he went out and bought a new pair. Maybe these don't break as easily.

[Pitry]

Interesting. I noticed a few times when he talked with Landry -like in Stronghold for one, but not a pattern. Very good. I guess either Landry got used to Daniel's tendency to give maybe more info than necessary/talking really fast to get it all out, or Daniel adjusted his approach so Landry doesn't have the urge to strangle him;)

LoL. Might jsut be that! Or it could be Daniel taking advantage of Landry's lack of sleep? :D



Well, frankly, I felt Mitchell was wallpapered in the first half -mostly due to Vala,

Exactly! there was almost no emphasis on Mitchell at all at that part.


but in the second, the only episodes that were really Mitchell episodes were Stronghold -again, one of my favorite episodes mainly for Daniel, and Collateral Damage, which didn't have a lot of Daniel, but it was just an episode


Plus, although there wasn't a lot shown, it was implied that Daniel was doing stuff. He was trying to find answers. Actually a lot of the episodes had Daniel trying to find answers. Much better than season 7, where a lot of Daniel was shooting and wearing those ugly muscle shirts.

Again, agreed. The thing is that team episodes always centred around the leader of the team a bit more - and maybe another character. That's always been a trait of 'team episodes'. The ones that really held importance to Mitchell are the ones you named, and maybe parts of Arthur's Mantle as well.. ;) As for Daniel, they did seem to finally manage balancing him being himself and at the same time taking a more vital role on the team this season, for which I am grateful.



*pats Geek Daniel* He's all mine! Maybe Vala kept tormenting him until he went out and bought a new pair. Maybe these don't break as easily.

Oh, you can have him, with his oily hair, even mine wasn't that bad :p (much preferred the real hair of seasons 1-2).
mwaha @ Vala. I can see her bugging him for being out of fashion with what must be piles and piles of old, identical glassess in his room!

[Dani347]

LoL. Might jsut be that! Or it could be Daniel taking advantage of Landry's lack of sleep? :D

I wouldn't put it past him:D







Again, agreed. The thing is that team episodes always centred around the leader of the team a bit more - and maybe another character. That's always been a trait of 'team episodes'. The ones that really held importance to Mitchell are the ones you named, and maybe parts of Arthur's Mantle as well.. ;) As for Daniel, they did seem to finally manage balancing him being himself and at the same time taking a more vital role on the team this season, for which I am grateful.

Hmm, I'm not sure I agree that team episodes are centered around the leader, or at least they don't have to be. I'd say team episodes are centered around the team.

I do agree that Daniel has been doing more Daniel like stuff this season. Season 8, I noticed a few episodes where Daniel was encouraging people, giving them hope -which is where my tag line about him in my sig came from. But, season 9 seemed to be Daniel as the curious seeker. In a lot of episodes, Daniel was searching, asking questions or providing information. I liked that he had a vital role using skills that he would have used in the early seasons. And, compared to what seemed to be his role in season 8, there seemed to be more of him seeking answers this season. I mean, a whole lot of the first half, and all the episodes I mentioned. Compared to really only two episodes that I recall in season 8 where he encouraged people -I don't know which episodes have passed the need to be spoilered mark, so just in case AvatarHe was the one telling Teal'c that they needed to fight the game together and giving him moral strength and IconHis interaction with Jared's wife, also seemed to be saying that things weren't hopeless. And, although I wish they could find some way for him to do some translating of other languages besides Ancient, I like that even if there wasn't any translating to do, he still had something to do in most of the episodes, and things that spoke to his strengths.

[Pitry]

Hmm, I'm not sure I agree that team episodes are centered around the leader, or at least they don't have to be. I'd say team episodes are centered around the team.

I guess it could just be my odd way of looking at episodes as "team episodes". For example, I would consider Brief Candle, Fair Game, and to some extant even Fifth Race as "team episodes".


Season 8, I noticed a few episodes where Daniel was encouraging people, giving them hope -which is where my tag line about him in my sig came from. But, season 9 seemed to be Daniel as the curious seeker. In a lot of episodes, Daniel was searching, asking questions or providing information. I liked that he had a vital role using skills that he would have used in the early seasons. And, compared to what seemed to be his role in season 8, there seemed to be more of him seeking answers this season.

He's still giving people hope in season 9 (oh, I've already thrown my views on his own hope, but they don't necessarily contradict, and, oh well :)) definitely. But he's definitely more the seeker now. It could be that he got something to seek, actually. This season, answers seem much more important than they were the previous ones - there's more mystery involved, more questions to be answered (and asked, for that matter...), more unknown factors.


And, although I wish they could find some way for him to do some translating of other languages besides Ancient, I like that even if there wasn't any translating to do, he still had something to do in most of the episodes, and things that spoke to his strengths.

Coulnd't agree with you more. On both points, TBH. There has to be a language other than Ancient out there :)

[JessM]

I honestly didn't notice until somebody else pointed them out.

I suppose they'll grow on me... and maybe without the airbrushing, they won't look much different.

It's still very much an ensemble show, though. There are obviously four lead characters, not a lead and three others.

Same here... I'm hoping they won't look too bad without the airbrushing. I noticed that in a lot of behind-the-scenes pics and video footage, we don't see him wearing any glasses. I wonder if they did that to keep the new glasses a surprise (at least until the promo pics came out)?

Oh, definitely. And I'm glad that it's that way. I guess I sort of meant that he was the leader of the team (Mitchell)... though sometimes it almost seemed like Daniel was, because Mitchell was still very new remembering the "Hey, new guy!" Daniel line from Prototype

[JessM]

I like the glasses. And, I guess I'm immune to airbrushing, because I thought the cast looked fine. Much better than some of the shots last season.

I guess I just figured that I didn't really recognize him anymore, at least when I first saw the pics. I have to laugh at the way his hair is mussed on the top, in the pic where he's standing next to AT. The hair looks quite like Jack's there (and personally I don't like his hair quite so short. I liked it better in seasons 7 and 8... almost looks like he has the really short season 4/5 hair in those promo shots).


But, I haven't seen the wallpapering of Daniel that others have. A few episodes that I liked specifically for the Daniel content are

Arthur's Mantle Daniel was vital to translating the device, again, in his element, doing Daniel things and getting credit.

I loved Arthur's Mantle because it seemed more like a "classic" SG-1 ep to me, especially with Daniel being in his element, translating things, etc. And I thought the overall cast chemistry was great (liked the cute interaction between him and Sam with the poking and etc.)

[JessM]

On the shallow side - nice new glasses. At leas tthey're not the ones from Moebius, eek. :D But let me get this straight - dying twice couldn't get him to change his glasses! How come they're changing them now? :)

I've been wondering that myself. I also find it odd because in Camelot (the season 9 cliffhanger/finale), he has the old glasses. We see them in the last shot that contains Daniel in that ep (yeah, I'm not putting this in spoilers because it's not specific...if you think otherwise, let me know and I'll go back and edit this). If the season 10 premiere is supposed to continue straight from that, how can he suddenly have different glasses? Did he stop by an Intergalactic LensCrafters or something? :P

Would be nice to see some kind of reference to them in early season 10, like one of the other characters mentioning them, but then again there was no explanation for Teal'c's chin caterpillar in season 4... and no explanation for his hair in New Order, other than the newly-unfrozen Jack saying "Teal'c, what's with the hair?" twice.

Oh...and no explanation for Daniel's sudden haircut in Out of Mind (yeah, I know why MS cut it, but no explanation for why Daniel did it).

[JessM]

Oh, you can have him, with his oily hair, even mine wasn't that bad :p (much preferred the real hair of seasons 1-2).
mwaha @ Vala. I can see her bugging him for being out of fashion with what must be piles and piles of old, identical glassess in his room!


Agree about the hair. :) In my not-crazy-about-the-glasses way, I have come up with a fic idea where the glasses are the result of Vala forcing the glasses on him (it's not Daniel/Vala ship, though... I don't ship that pair and I prefer no on-screen ship... sorry).

[Toresica]

Coulnd't agree with you more. On both points, TBH. There has to be a language other than Ancient out there :)
Well, there's Goa'uld.... :p

[Dani347]

If the season 10 premiere is supposed to continue straight from that, how can he suddenly have different glasses? Did he stop by an Intergalactic LensCrafters or something? :P




SG1 does poke its collective nose all around the galaxy. So, they're pretty famous. Maybe some of their allies did set up a shop making glasses. Because they know there's always a chance that Daniel will come and there's also always a chance that something will happen to his glasses.

[JessM]

LOL, Dani :D I guess it's possible something did happen, especially since the pics from Flesh and Blood show him without glasses. Will be interesting to see if they attempt to explain them away.

[Toresica]

I have a backup pair of glasses in case my regular ones break.... I don't see why he wouldn't...

[Dani347]

I have a backup pair of glasses in case my regular ones break.... I don't see why he wouldn't...

He probably does. And, they probably get broken as well. I mean, you get captured, I'm sure an extra pair of glasses won't handle the roughing up. Or, maybe he just doesn't think of it.

I've been reading around the forum and I'm kind of surprised that one criticism is Daniel is too macho this season. Especially since, for me, there have been so many examples where Daniel played a part that had nothing to do shooting or fighting, but gathering info or translating. Of course, there have been episodes where using a weapon is necessary, but that's only to be expected since it's a dangerous job, and he's a full fledged member of an elite team. But, super macho? Well, it's just my view, but I'm not seeing it this season.

Of course, I also don't see Daniel being "mean" this season either.


I guess it could just be my odd way of looking at episodes as "team episodes". For example, I would consider Brief Candle, Fair Game, and to some extant even Fifth Race as "team episodes".

Ah, I see Brief Candle and Fifth Race as definite Jack episodes. Don't know where I'd put Fair Game, since it's one of my few shallow eps -my icon is from that, because that's the best I've seen him look, so I wasn't paying all that much attention as to who the episode was most focused on. I'd count Prisoners or Reckoning 2, or to a large extent Serpent's Song as more team episodes.

[Pitry]

"Aldwin's Glasses for all Occasions"! Mwaha, Daniel's probably got the equivalent of "frequent flier" points there...


As for team episodes, I know my view is somewhat skewed. ;) I guess I just compare these episodes to episodes that are obviously on one single character (even before the season 7-8-9 character-centred episodes) and see quite a difference in interaction and balance...

[JessM]

I have a backup pair of glasses in case my regular ones break.... I don't see why he wouldn't...

Ah, very true... and I do as well. I can imagine him having quite a few pairs in his drawer after all the trouble he's gotten into off world over the years. ;)

Actually, I am now thinking that maybe the promo photos were just going for a sort of "artsy" angle, because I just saw a video clip of a Season 10 promo from SciFi (with clips from Season 10), and Daniel is seen wearing his usual glasses, not these snazzy new ones. You can tell the clips are from season 10 because of Teal'c's new hairstyle. I suppose it's possible that either he wore the glasses just for those promo pics, or maybe he does get new glasses, but a bit later on in the season.

Either way, it doesn't really matter to me... but it was interesting to see actual snippets from the upcoming season. :)

[LoopyMowse]

I quite liked the new glasses :-)
(I hope it's ok to jump in the discussion here as there are a LOT of pages to this discussion I would need weeks to read them all!)

[Lilith]

hi LoopyMowse! welcome to the forums!

i haven't actually looked at the promos yet, so i have no idea what the new glasses look like... i think i'm gonna go have a look right now :p

[LoopyMowse]

thanks, I'm still finding my feet here, the layout of this forum is *very* different to what I'm used to so I'm taking my time at the moment!
I'm basing my opinion on the promotional pictures, if Daniel has these new glasses in episodes of the new season that could be completely different effect for me ;-)
Although knowing me I'll still like Daniel whatever he has or does new!

[LoopyMowse]

btw does anyone know why it says "prim'tah" below my name? I didn't add that...

[Lilith]

that's your user title/rank... all new members are prim'tahs... the more post, the better your rank

[LoopyMowse]

thanks, do you know what number of posts changes the rank and what comes after prim'tah?
I would prefer SGC ranks, a prim'tah is one of those symbiotes! ugh :-P

[Lilith]

look in the FAQs, it's all there!

i just looked at the promos, and i don't like the new glasses... they make him look less innocent.... the larger frames gave Danny a wide-eyed, curious, almost childish look, but these new glasses just make him look older and prudish like he's always cranky.... idk, maybe i just need to get used to them...

[LoopyMowse]

I had a brief read of the page, it's a lot of new intel to take in, I hope people will bear with me...
I suppose it's like when the boonie went away I still miss it but liked the bandana too, so if Daniel gets new frames I'll like them *and* still miss the old ones at the same time
I'm contrary like that! ;-D

[Lilith]

yea but when the bandana replaced the boonie, i still liked how he looked, but i don't like the new frames at all, but then he's had the same frames for nine years and this is a sudden change... idk, i have mixed feelings :S

[Dani347]

I don't see crankiness. But, remember, those shots aren't meant to seem natural. They're posed, sort of casual/glam shots, and his expression won't be like that all the time when he's in character. I mean, he'll be more animated (since he'll be moving) and have to go through different emotions according to the plot.

I don't know if he'll look the same as before, but I wouldn't use the promo pics as a real sign of how Daniel on the show will seem.

[LoopyMowse]

did you have same trouble when he got haircut in end of s2 start of s3 (two parter story) eps?
I'm ok with change, I could get used to new glasses, if Daniel wanted them

[Lilith]

did you have same trouble when he got haircut in end of s2 start of s3 (two parter story) eps?
I'm ok with change, I could get used to new glasses, if Daniel wanted them
nope... the shorter hair accented his cheeks and jaw line :D though sometimes he keeps it too short....


But, remember, those shots aren't meant to seem natural. They're posed, sort of casual/glam shots, and his expression won't be like that all the time when he's in character.
yea, but compared to the promos for earlier seasons, he seems more... idk, something just doesn't click in my mind, i mean i liked the glasses he had in 2010, and these are similar style, but they just don't seem right... idk, like i said before, maybe i just need to get used to them

[LoopyMowse]

I was fine either way, Daniel makes any hairstyle great for me ;-)
I don't know if they are going to use those frames for him in the new season or if they were just for the promotional pictures. I'll wait and see what the new season has and then decide if they're ok on his face
It would seem IMO like a lot of effort to go to if they only wanted to use the different glasses for some promotional pictures though...

[Tayla Rain]

consider this, that in the RW, you should have your eyes examined at least once a year and if you have been wearing glasses for a large part of your life you'd get new ones (or at least new frames) at least once every couple of years, it's really amazing that Daniel didn't get new frames every season, especially when you throw in how often he must have broken the one's he had LOL.
just my 2 cents