Daniel Jackson Discussion and Appreciation

[blingaway]

That scene in Affinity-- I always wonder what exactly he must have been thinking at that moment.

I love it that the writers didn't talk that scene to death. I love the speculating about what's in the characters' heads, especially Daniel.


I think i have too much empathy for fictional characters; when Daniel was dying in Meridian I kept wondering how he must be feeling. It made me hurt!

I need a life, I know.

Dana Jeanne

If that's true then I need one too! LOL!


I love Daniel's vulnerability. The end of Enemy Mine gets me every time. He's just averted a massacre AND secured the naquadah and should have been going around collecting high-fives for his days work, but he wasn't. Colonel whoever that was says, O'Neill was right about you...The look on Daniel's face was almost aglow to hear Jack had said something nice about him...You are a pain in the ass...You can just see Daniel shrink physically and emotionally... But well worth it...Um, yeah, okay... I wanna deck that colonel every time!!


Beautifully acted by MS. :)

[GateGipsy]

So. As this is the Daniel Discussion and *Appreciation* Thread, what is it about Daniel that you appreciate most?

If he's your favorite character, what made you choose him?

Would you still love him if he wasn't such a blue-eyed, handsome hunk?

Dana Jeanne
Absolutely, and falling for him had nothing to do with how good looking he is. I was intrigued by the character to start with in the movie, then when they got to Abydos, and he was dragged across the sand by that animal, I thought 'this is someone I can really relate to'. It is exactly the sort of idiotic thing I'd do myself.

I watched the movie because I was a fan of Kurt Russell, but he, and his character, didn't impact me anywhere as much as Daniel did.

However, what I also really liked was the friendship between the two, the way it developed, and the way each of them helped the other to develop as a person too. Daniel brought Jack back into the real world, helped him see there was a bigger picture out there, and Jack helped bring Daniel back into the real world, by helping him to see a perspective that wasn't from an academic ivory tower. And they did this without dialogue, but just by being themselves with each other.

Going back to one of your earlier points DJ. I actually would have liked to have seen Daniel and Sha're together, because it wouldn't have been the usual romance/conflict storyline. Most, actually just about all, shows and movies have a love interest that has to overcome or resolve some sort of conflict. And it is in following the resolution that the story line centres. Once the romance is resolved, the storyline is finished. For once, I'd like to see a real pairing, that is a couple who are together because they love each other and there's no conflict. And no, I'm not advocating boring TV! But we get this all the time in friendships portrayed on TV. Why can't we have a romantic relationship such as marriage, where the romance or the marriage ISN'T the story - it simply exists, and the story/plot/conflict is something else.

er, does that make sense?!

[Madeleine]

I'd seen pictures of MS in SFX, TV Zone and the like long before I ever watched the show. I'd seen both his Outer Limits eps too. I thought him nothing the least bit special, looks-wise. It wasn't until after seeing him as Daniel that I ever thought him at all dishy.

That's pretty normal for me. I actually though Ben Browder and Connor Trineer pretty plain until several eps into their respective shows. Nathan Fillion was terribly ugly as Caleb, Gina Torres was not pretty as Jasmine, but each of them are gorgeous in Firefly. And it can work the other way too: I've never thought Teyla or Major Shepperd were lookers, but having seen Rachel and Joe at a panel yesterday and been impressed by how pleasant and bright they both were I happen to think both actors look really lovely.

Does that make me weird?

[LMichelle]

[QUOTE=GateGipsy]

Going back to one of your earlier points DJ. I actually would have liked to have seen Daniel and Sha're together, because it wouldn't have been the usual romance/conflict storyline. Most, actually just about all, shows and movies have a love interest that has to overcome or resolve some sort of conflict. And it is in following the resolution that the story line centres. Once the romance is resolved, the storyline is finished. For once, I'd like to see a real pairing, that is a couple who are together because they love each other and there's no conflict. And no, I'm not advocating boring TV! But we get this all the time in friendships portrayed on TV. Why can't we have a romantic relationship such as marriage, where the romance or the marriage ISN'T the story - it simply exists, and the story/plot/conflict is something else.

Yes, it makes perfect sense. I believe that's what they had on Abydos that year. Of course, we didn't see any of that, however, we did see what Daniel meant to the Abydonians in COTG. Perhaps some of them looked at Daniel as an imposter, but with Kasuf's approval, I'm sure he was well-liked by the majority of the people. How could someone not like him? :p

Another thing I like about Daniel is his relationship with Kasuf. Even though Sha're was gone and he no longer lived on Abydos, he treats Kasuf with the utmost respect. In Forever In A Day, when he questions Kasuf he says: "Forgive me, Good Father, but how do you know this?" Also, in Secrets when he retuns to Abydos, he comes through the Stargate and kneels before Kasuf, begging his forgiveness for not retuning with Sha're. :(

Even when Daniel goes back to Abydos, he wears the clothing of the people, as if he never left. You've got to wonder how many of those long robes he has hanging in his closet. ;)

Lisa Michelle

[Dani347]

Another thing I like about Daniel is his relationship with Kasuf. Even though Sha're was gone and he no longer lived on Abydos, he treats Kasuf with the utmost respect. In Forever In A Day, when he questions Kasuf he says: "Forgive me, Good Father, but how do you know this?" Also, in Secrets when he retuns to Abydos, he comes through the Stargate and kneels before Kasuf, begging his forgiveness for not retuning with Sha're. :(

Lisa Michelle

another reason to hate them blowing up Abydos and ascending Daniel's family

[GateGipsy]

LOL Well those robes do look comfy. I'd be tempted to wear them when lounging around the house.

I always thought that he felt he was Abydonian, given that he did leave Earth and planned to live there forever. Which is why I feel there ought to be more fall out for Daniel from Full Circle.

[Dana_Jeanne]

Does that make me weird?
Um, is that a rhetorical question? :D I've met you, remember?

When I first started watching SG1, I wasn't impressed by Daniel physically. I thought he had a rather strange mouth and was too young. As the series went on, and I began to love the *character* Daniel's appearance become more attractive to me. So I actually 'fell in love' with the person of Daniel rather than his looks.

Of course it helped that as MS 'grew up' so did Daniel ;) And then the hair cut and those cheekbones made thier appearance... Sigh.

So answering my own question: yes, I would still love Daniel even if he looked like a hairy mutt.

Daniel has a soul that shines from the inside out and he's beautiful no matter what he actually looks like.

Dana Jeanne

[Dani347]

I like 'em young. Of course, it doesn't hurt that I'm closer to Daniel's age than any of the others. :D

[GateGipsy]

Although Michael Shanks was quite young, at the time he started on Stargate, he was playing Daniel who is a bit older, so I always saw him as someone who was more my age than ten years younger.

Cripes, I've forgotten. How old should Daniel be now? Has he had is 40th? Did we have a party? Did I get THAT drunk I've forgotten!!!

[DJFavorite]

Although Michael Shanks was quite young, at the time he started on Stargate, he was playing Daniel who is a bit older, so I always saw him as someone who was more my age than ten years younger.

Cripes, I've forgotten. How old should Daniel be now? Has he had is 40th? Did we have a party? Did I get THAT drunk I've forgotten!!!I can't remember either. :S I think it was figured out that he was born in 1965. (which would currently put him at 39) :S and the date was July something or other (I'm terrible at remembering those types of things.)

Anyway, we best not forget next year!!!!

[Jillybiehn]

I can't remember either. :S I think it was figured out that he was born in 1965. (which would currently put him at 39) :S and the date was July something or other (I'm terrible at remembering those types of things.)

Anyway, we best not forget next year!!!!
Hey, I volunteer my birthday! (July 30) I'd be happy to share it with Daniel! :D

[GateGipsy]

Sorry. His birthday is July 8th - that's canon I'm afraid!

Of course I should have just looked up the year on GateWorld, d'uh!

Click Here (http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/characters/index.shtml)

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http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/characters/j/graphics/jackson.jpg THE STARGATE OMNIPEDIA
JACKSON, DANIEL
SG-1's archaeological expert, responsible for cracking the code to first activate the Stargate (http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/technology/s/stargate.shtml). A student of language, mythology and ancient cultures, Jackson's knowledge and razor-sharp wit is key to encounters with alien civilizations and displaced human colonies across the galaxy. Sometimes awkward, sometimes socially inept, he is driven, intelligent, and an invaluable member of the Stargate program.

[LMichelle]

Daniel's been referred to as a "young man" in a couple of eps. I think that's so cute. :) One was Covenant and the other was from season one, I believe.
It's kind of weird they have his character older than MS really is. :p

MS was born December 15, 1970. I'm nine months younger than he is -almost to the day (9/10/71). LOL! :D

Lisa Michelle

[Jillybiehn]

Sorry. His birthday is July 8th - that's canon I'm afraid!
Jeez Gipsy, you sure know how to wreck a gal's mood... :rolleyes: :p :D
We'd better start planning now, it's gonna be a heckuva bash!

[DJFavorite]

Daniel's been referred to as a "young man" in a couple of eps. I think that's so cute. :) One was Covenant and the other was from season one, I believe.
It's kind of weird they have his character older than MS really is. :p

MS was born December 15, 1970. I'm nine months younger than he is -almost to the day (9/10/71). LOL! :D

Lisa Michelle
I see a birthday celebration coming up..... We have one month to plan. Make sure you put the date on your calendar. :D

[GateGipsy]

ooooh yes, party! So he's going to be 34 this year. Still just a baby (I'm 37, but still, 34 sounds so young to me now!).

[DJFavorite]

ooooh yes, party! So he's going to be 34 this year. Still just a baby (I'm 37, but still, 34 sounds so young to me now!).
Were the same age.... Hey if Demi Moore can go for a guy half her age, we can go for a guy just a couple years younger. :D

[Dana_Jeanne]

At a convention, MS said he'd always assumed (and played) Daniel was his own age. I've always assumed Daniel was younger than what he said in 1969, espcially since it contradicted, somewhat, what he said in FIAD.

In 1969 (it's August) he says he was 4 1/2 years old.

In FIAD he says his birthday is July 8.

You aren't "and a half" in August if you're birthday is in JULY! I decided (for my own personal enjoyment) that Daniel was simply trying to make Jack not feel 'old.'

<G>
Dana Jeanne

[Jillybiehn]

At a convention, MS said he'd always assumed (and played) Daniel was his own age. I've always assumed Daniel was younger than what he said in 1969, espcially since it contradicted, somewhat, what he said in FIAD.

In 1969 (it's August) he says he was 4 1/2 years old.

In FIAD he says his birthday is July 8.

You aren't "and a half" in August if you're birthday is in JULY! I decided (for my own personal enjoyment) that Daniel was simply trying to make Jack not feel 'old.'

<G>
Dana Jeanne
Good point, DJ, in fact, looking at his birthdate, his mum would've been 4 1/2 months pregnant in July 1969. :D Maybe that's where the number came from.

[GateGipsy]

This has long been a debate in fandom! I prefer to go with the fact that he was just pulling a rough number out of his head in response to Jack.

However, regardless of which of the two scenarios is correct, he would have had to have been born in 1965 or close to that year. I'm not sure I can figure out why his mother would have been four and a half months pregnant in 1969, unless you're going with MS's birthday, which is in 1970?

Although Michael has said that he played Daniel close to his own age, that's just a comment on his acting, not on Daniel's actual age. The character was established in the movie, and the fact is that in order to get the PHD's and the experience he's meant to have had, he could not have been 25 in Season 1! That would mean that the events in the movie, which were meant to have occured a year ealier, took place when Daniel was only 24. Not enough time to build up the academic and professional creditenials necessary to get a whole lecture room of his peers to turn up on a rainy day to listen to him give a lecture.

[Jillybiehn]

I'm not sure I can figure out why his mother would have been four and a half months pregnant in 1969, unless you're going with MS's birthday, which is in 1970?
Sorry, that IS what I meant. My bad. :)

[michelleb]

According to Teryl, Daniel sleeps on the right, and left his glasses on her bedside table.....

She did say that if janet had been allowed to live, then maybe janet and daniel would have go together, then there was definitely a spark there.

[GateGipsy]

whoa definitely a spark there. If there was going to be a male/female pairing for Daniel, I'd have loved it to have been Janet. I think the chemisty was quite strong there.

[Suebsg9]

According to Teryl, Daniel sleeps on the right, and left his glasses on her bedside table.....

She did say that if janet had been allowed to live, then maybe janet and daniel would have go together, then there was definitely a spark there.


you know i thought her other fav actor had the right side of the bed which is the actor who played picard in NG and that is why daniel had the left side of the bed and why his glasses where there :)

[Daniel's_twin]

Can we please change the subject? This is making me queasy. :cool:

[melpomene]

Can we please change the subject? This is making me queasy. :cool:

okay....change the subject. Has anyone else here had strange nightmare concerning the similarities between our Danny and Milo from The animated disney movie Atlantis.With the Stargate Alantis thing that makes it very confusing.....

[Dana_Jeanne]

Although Michael has said that he played Daniel close to his own age, that's just a comment on his acting, not on Daniel's actual age. The character was established in the movie, and the fact is that in order to get the PHD's and the experience he's meant to have had, he could not have been 25 in Season 1! That would mean that the events in the movie, which were meant to have occured a year ealier, took place when Daniel was only 24. Not enough time to build up the academic and professional creditenials necessary to get a whole lecture room of his peers to turn up on a rainy day to listen to him give a lecture.
Well, he started college when he was 16, and he IS a genius, and .... ;) so it's *possible*, but not very probable, you're right. James Spader looked about 30 in the movie, too.

So as much as I hate to admit it, I suppose Daniel will be turning 40 next July 8th. Unless.... do you think he lost a year while he was ascended????
:D
Can you tell I just don't want him to hit 40?

Dana Jeanne

[GateGipsy]

too true! He most certainly did lose a year while ascended didn't he? What will you guys be doing at Solutions and OS - will it be 39 or 40 birthday celebrations next year (never too early to plan a party!).

What's wrong with turning 40? As long as you don't look it! I'm quite looking forward to it. I have no problems with the decade years. I have breakdowns over birthdays with 9 in them though. I went to peices when I turned 29, so I guess 39 is going to be worse. Except this time I'll have a year old baby to keep me young! Not to mention too occupied no doubt to angst over it.

It is hard to accept Daniel as 40 though when he just so plainly doesn't look it. If anything he looks even younger than Micheal's 34 years. I think that to me he'll always be that perennial 30 he was in the movie. That's the great thing about fictional characters isn't it! He never does need to grow old.

[Madeleine]

Too right. Maggie Simpson's been ten months old for about twenty years now.

[DJFavorite]

too true! He most certainly did lose a year while ascended didn't he? What will you guys be doing at Solutions and OS - will it be 39 or 40 birthday celebrations next year (never too early to plan a party!).

What's wrong with turning 40? As long as you don't look it! I'm quite looking forward to it. I have no problems with the decade years. I have breakdowns over birthdays with 9 in them though. I went to peices when I turned 29, so I guess 39 is going to be worse. Except this time I'll have a year old baby to keep me young! Not to mention too occupied no doubt to angst over it.

It is hard to accept Daniel as 40 though when he just so plainly doesn't look it. If anything he looks even younger than Micheal's 34 years. I think that to me he'll always be that perennial 30 he was in the movie. That's the great thing about fictional characters isn't it! He never does need to grow old.
I don't think there's anything wrong with turning 40. But then again, I won't reach that for a little over 2 years. My husband is just shy of 43, but doesn't look like he's in his fourties.

I don't have a problem with Daniel turning 40. I don't really consider what his age is while I'm watching the show. (Perhaps that's because I'm too busy thunking, but that's for another thread. :D )

[DJFavorite]

okay....change the subject. Has anyone else here had strange nightmare concerning the similarities between our Danny and Milo from The animated disney movie Atlantis.With the Stargate Alantis thing that makes it very confusing.....
Here's a picture comparison:


http://home.comcast.net/~chrisgraves1/DanielandMilo.jpg

[LMichelle]

I see the similarity. Okay, I'll bite. Who the hell is Milo? It looks to be a cartoon. Something for kids, right? That's why I don't know about it. :p

[DJFavorite]

I see the similarity. Okay, I'll bite. Who the hell is Milo? It looks to be a cartoon. Something for kids, right? That's why I don't know about it. :pMilo Thatch is the hero of the Disney movie "Atlantis: The Lost Empire". He's a historian, archeologist character. the movie ends with Milo staying in Altantis if I remember correctly. I guess I have to go back and finish watching it.

[Daniel's_twin]

I see the similarity. Okay, I'll bite. Who the hell is Milo? It looks to be a cartoon. Something for kids, right? That's why I don't know about it. :p

The reviews I've heard for that movie said that it wasn't so great.

And I don't really see the resemblence. Milo's face is a tad too thin. It's like comparing a zat nikotel to a TER. Of course they have their similarities, but they are soo different.


I know, I'm the only one who feels this way. I just like to speak my mind (what little there is). Please don't reflect this in my reputation points. :cool:

[michelleb]

first thing i thought when i watched Atlantis was 'that's Daniel!!!'. i did see the simliarites..i then went on to find Teal'c and Janet too.

btw..daniel/pete slashing? but they've never even met?

[DJFavorite]

first thing i thought when i watched Atlantis was 'that's Daniel!!!'. i did see the simliarites..i then went on to find Teal'c and Janet too.

btw..daniel/pete slashing? but they've never even met?
I'll have to go back and watch it... again. I saw Teal'c but which one is Janet?

[Daniel's_twin]

Ok, I do admit I think I saw Teal'c in one of the commercials, but I also didn't see anyone for Janet. Could you post another pic for comparison erhaps? :cool:

[michelleb]

I'll have to go back and watch it... again. I saw Teal'c but which one is Janet?

there was a little dark women..think she was a warrior rather then a doctor

[blingaway]

there was a little dark women..think she was a warrior rather then a doctor

Audry Ramirez, the mechanic.

[GateGipsy]

oh yeah, Disney's cartoon guy looks way too much like Daniel! Still, not anywhere near as good as the real thing.

[LMichelle]

Okay, this was on the third page. We can't have that. :eek:

I've got a question. What do you think Daniel was doing while he was ascended?

[Madeleine]

I've got a question. What do you think Daniel was doing while he was ascended?

Explored. Looked at strange and wonderful people and places across the universe. Loved it. Did it some more. Kept an eye on his friends. Helped Jack escape Baal, and tried to tell himself he was okay with the ascended 'rules'.

Explored some more. *Saw* a lot of incredible things but couldn't *experience* them because of the restrictions he found around his powers. Began to feel wistful for the days when he could be a part of it and not just an observer. Began to miss human contact, found himself rather lonely. Helped Teal'c survive as Junior gave up the proverbial. Ended up... not exactly jaded, but certainly a bit disenchanted with the whole Glowy Octopus lark. Discovered Abydos was in danger...

[DJFavorite]

Explored. Looked at strange and wonderful people and places across the universe. Loved it. Did it some more. Kept an eye on his friends. Helped Jack escape Baal, and tried to tell himself he was okay with the ascended 'rules'.

Explored some more. *Saw* a lot of incredible things but couldn't *experience* them because of the restrictions he found around his powers. Began to feel wistful for the days when he could be a part of it and not just an observer. Began to miss human contact, found himself rather lonely. Helped Teal'c survive as Junior gave up the proverbial. Ended up... not exactly jaded, but certainly a bit disenchanted with the whole Glowy Octopus lark. Discovered Abydos was in danger...
Good thoughts!!!


Oh, and HAPPY BIRTHDAY Madeleine!!!!!

[Dana_Jeanne]

Explored. Looked at strange and wonderful people and places across the universe. Loved it. Did it some more. Kept an eye on his friends. Helped Jack escape Baal, and tried to tell himself he was okay with the ascended 'rules'.

Explored some more. *Saw* a lot of incredible things but couldn't *experience* them because of the restrictions he found around his powers. Began to feel wistful for the days when he could be a part of it and not just an observer. Began to miss human contact, found himself rather lonely. Helped Teal'c survive as Junior gave up the proverbial. Ended up... not exactly jaded, but certainly a bit disenchanted with the whole Glowy Octopus lark. Discovered Abydos was in danger...
That was perfectly said, Mrs. W and you know? I bet he was chomping at the bit to get back to human form by the time Abydos and Anubis came around.

I'm so glad he's back.

Dana Jeanne

[GateGipsy]

Watched Affinity last night - really enjoyed it (well, Daniel in handcuffs...). I must have missed something though (had to nip out the room to check on something on the stove). What was it that they gave to Daniel to translate? Was it Goa'uld or Ancient?

[Madeleine]

Affinity I think it was ancient, and they wanted it translated into goa'uld.

[GateGipsy]

I think it was ancient, and they wanted it translated into goa'uld.
oh that's not good. Poor Daniel.

[Madeleine]

LOL at when he nodded his head at Teal'c and said "no".

Should we be using spoiler space?

:: Goes off to find a mod who'll edit ss in... ::

[GateGipsy]

oh dear we are naughty. Sorry about the spoiler space!

I have been thinking about Affinity, and there still seems to be a slight distance between Daniel and Tealc. It's almost physical, like there's an invisible wall there. Daniel didn't look comfortable in Tealc's apartment. Yet he must have a closer relationship to Tealc now than Jack does, since Jack sent Daniel to talk to him.

[Madeleine]

I thought the unease was because on Daniel's part he was preoccupied by the little talk he was about to have, and on Teal'c's part he *totally* knew what Daniel was up to. He'd probably had one of these Little Talks before, from the sound of things ;)

[Dana_Jeanne]

I thought the unease was because on Daniel's part he was preoccupied by the little talk he was about to have, and on Teal'c's part he *totally* knew what Daniel was up to. He'd probably had one of these Little Talks before, from the sound of things ;)
I thought it was because he didn't really want to have that talk. That *Jack* had told/asked him to do it.

If you think about it, what Teal'c was doing was exactly what Daniel himself would have done in the same place, so... it had to make him uncomfortable to tell Teal'c NOT to do something he himself would have done.

Dana Jeanne

[Madeleine]

I thought it was because he didn't really want to have that talk. That *Jack* had told/asked him to do it.

If you think about it, what Teal'c was doing was exactly what Daniel himself would have done in the same place, so... it had to make him uncomfortable to tell Teal'c NOT to do something he himself would have done.

Dana Jeanne

Okay. That makes far more sense than my version.

[Dana_Jeanne]

Okay. That makes far more sense than my version.

:D

DJ

[GateGipsy]

yup that makes more sense to me too now!

[Dana_Jeanne]

My work here is done, then <G>

DJ

[GateGipsy]

My work here is done, then <G>

DJ
LOL that doesn't mean you're going to go does it?

[Dana_Jeanne]

LOL that doesn't mean you're going to go does it?

Nah, although the pictures are prettier over in the Daniel/MS Thunk Thread.

DJ

[GateGipsy]

well that's what a thunk thread is for!

[Dana_Jeanne]

well that's what a thunk thread is for!

So that is for thunking and this is for discussing and apprecation while staying upright then? :D

I appreciate everything about Daniel and I'm very glad he's not perfect. How boring he would be if he were!

DJ

[GateGipsy]

well as much as it is possible to not thunk when talking about Daniel...the advantage of the Thunk thread is the nice padding on the floor :) .

I was a tad disappointed in Convenant last night.

S8 Whose lines were they giving him? Would he have passively gone along with researching this guy? Why were he and Sam so incredibly passive about the whole thing? Is it a case that now it's Jack giving the orders, he's suddenly OK with it all? But then he would have questioned Jack before. And why why why send a guy who's big thing was publicly announcing that the Pyramids were landing pads for alien spaceships to convince someone that there are no alien coverups...

[dannylover]

So kiwi's are a life form!!! that's nice.

[Madeleine]

I was a tad disappointed in Convenant last night.

S8 Whose lines were they giving him? Would he have passively gone along with researching this guy? Why were he and Sam so incredibly passive about the whole thing? Is it a case that now it's Jack giving the orders, he's suddenly OK with it all? But then he would have questioned Jack before. And why why why send a guy who's big thing was publicly announcing that the Pyramids were landing pads for alien spaceships to convince someone that there are no alien coverups...

I think that Daniel is at least consistent - after all he's kept things hush for years, not publishing papers, trying to keep Stephen and Sarah from the truth in The Curse, trying not to let Nick know more than was necessary until he was without a choice. To me trying to persuade the Businessman chap to keep quiet was just an extension of that. He did at least *look* troubled at appropriate moments though.

But I'd be interested to know what made him agree to keep the secret in the first place, so many years ago. Did he think that the world should know about the Stargate? Did he have to be told that it was secrecy or prison, that if he'd only keep quiet he could be on the inside? It wasn't really necessary at first to know that at all, and now it's a bit late to delve into it, but to find out what knowledge he really thinks should be available to the general populations would be interesting.

That might be a con question.

[Daniel's_twin]

Mmmmmm... I'd have to say that Daniel realizes that the world does not need to know right now about the Stargate, at least not while the Goa'uld are still a threat and we don't have the means to defend ourselves. As has been pointed out several times in the show, it would only lead to madness. Besides, he had been telling people that aliens built the pyramids for years, and I don't even think the tabloids put it in print. :cool:

[GateGipsy]

So kiwi's are a life form!!! that's nice.
LOL

[GateGipsy]

I think that Daniel is at least consistent - after all he's kept things hush for years, not publishing papers, trying to keep Stephen and Sarah from the truth in The Curse, trying not to let Nick know more than was necessary until he was without a choice. To me trying to persuade the Businessman chap to keep quiet was just an extension of that. He did at least *look* troubled at appropriate moments though.

But I'd be interested to know what made him agree to keep the secret in the first place, so many years ago. Did he think that the world should know about the Stargate? Did he have to be told that it was secrecy or prison, that if he'd only keep quiet he could be on the inside? It wasn't really necessary at first to know that at all, and now it's a bit late to delve into it, but to find out what knowledge he really thinks should be available to the general populations would be interesting.

That might be a con question.
good point. And definitely a good con question. I think that perhaps Daniel didn't think about keeping things a secret in the first place because he didn't have time. First he was focussed on getting through the gate in the first place, then when he came back from Abydos, the focus was on getting Sha're back, and that meant going through the gate as often as possible. I'm not even sure he left the SGC much in the beginning.

[LMichelle]

I often wonder if Daniel would really be allowed to join the SGC, and be on the alpha team to boot, since he's not military. I guess they cut him some slack since he did open the Gate. :p

Doesn't anyone wonder if Daniel gets paid less because he's not military? He probably doesn't have all the benefits that everyone else does. Perhaps he did live at the base for awhile. They seem to have a lot of rooms for people. ;)

It would also stand to reason that he'd have to have a good deal of military training before going on the missions. For someone that spent a great deal of his life in the academic world, that must have been an adjustment. :eek:

[michelleb]

According to that magazine, daniel's trained in several weapons, including the P90. he is more handy with guns then he used to be, he used to drop it, or miss all the time, now he's pretty dangerous with a gun. I do like that he's become darker and more dangerous.

[Black Dragon]

Yeah I'd hate to see what he could do if someone really yanked his chain hard. Not only is daniel darker now, I think he has it in him to become quite sociopathic if his buttons were pushed beyond their limits. Its just something in his eyes when he is very, very angry.

Not to mention he's gotten kinda buff lately. He could certainly take Jack to the cleaners if you ask me. Teal'c.....that's have to wait until season 10 when Daniel looks like Ahhhnullld!

hehe.

[Dani347]

Yeah I'd hate to see what he could do if someone really yanked his chain hard. Not only is daniel darker now, I think he has it in him to become quite sociopathic if his buttons were pushed beyond their limits. Its just something in his eyes when he is very, very angry.

Hmm, sociopathic? Don't see it. Not unless he's under some alien influence. Scarily angry? Dark? Yes, I do think he can get that way, and I think that's not even a recent development. I think Daniel has a strong capacity for love, but an equally strong one for hate (although that might have toned down some).


that's have to wait until season 10 when Daniel looks like Ahhhnullld!

hehe.

Oh, please no. I personally would prefer he lose some of the muscles he has now. I am not a muscle person.

[GateGipsy]

I agree. I think that sociopathy isn't something you can repress, at least not successfully so that they can function as the moral centre of anything. Sure, there is a dark streak in Daniel - I think this is something he is very aware of. But he has too much integrity and loyalty to what he's doing with the SGC to ever let that get out of hand.

Maybe it started to in Season 5, and maybe descended Daniel is still a bit darker than he used to be, but ultimately ascencion returned Daniel back to the way he was before things took their toll (as we saw happening in early Season 5). Brought him back from the brink of the abyss, so to speak.

[Shipperahoy]

I think Daniel is very passionate and any time you get a person with that much capacity for emotion it can swing to the extremes in both ways but he's also pretty grounded and all of the hard decisions he has had to make along the way are bound to make him a little darker and a little more complex. Personally I like it. :D

[GateGipsy]

ah yes, personally I like it too, a lot!

[Dana_Jeanne]

well as much as it is possible to not thunk when talking about Daniel...the advantage of the Thunk thread is the nice padding on the floor :) .

I was a tad disappointed in Convenant last night.

S8 Whose lines were they giving him? Would he have passively gone along with researching this guy? Why were he and Sam so incredibly passive about the whole thing? Is it a case that now it's Jack giving the orders, he's suddenly OK with it all? But then he would have questioned Jack before. And why why why send a guy who's big thing was publicly announcing that the Pyramids were landing pads for alien spaceships to convince someone that there are no alien coverups...

I have no answers to any of that, although I've noticed that they seem to be giving him some of Jack's lines these days. You're right about Covenent, btw!

May I politely point out to TPTB that in the movie Daniel NEVER said the pyramids were built by Aliens or were used as alien landing pads. NEVER. He simply said that the pryamids were older than we think and he didn't know who built them. It was some lamebrain git in the audience who suggested ALIENS!

Okay. Calming down now :o

Dana Jeanne

[Daniel's_twin]

It's Ok. Just breathe, that's it. :cool:

[Dana_Jeanne]

It's Ok. Just breathe, that's it. :cool:

Thank you. I'm okay now. :D

DJ

[Dana_Jeanne]

I watched Thor's Hammer last night, and watching the ending it struck me that Jack purposely gave the staff weapon to Daniel so he would have to be the one to destroy the 'hammer' thereby destroying the one chance they had (at the time) to get the goa'uld out of Shau'ri.

I thought that showed a lot of smarts on Jack's part, and trust that Daniel would do the right thing.

While Daniel didn't show much anger or unhappiness outwardly, how do you think he was feeling inside? I wonder if he yelled at Jack when they got home, or if he understood why Jack let him make the choice.

I don't know where I in Daniel's shoes that I could have done what he did. It would have happened anyway, Sam or Jack would have done it, but... ouch.

Dana Jeanne

[blingaway]

I watched Thor's Hammer last night, and watching the ending it struck me that Jack purposely gave the staff weapon to Daniel so he would have to be the one to destroy the 'hammer' thereby destroying the one chance they had (at the time) to get the goa'uld out of Shau'ri.

I thought that showed a lot of smarts on Jack's part, and trust that Daniel would do the right thing.

While Daniel didn't show much anger or unhappiness outwardly, how do you think he was feeling inside? I wonder if he yelled at Jack when they got home, or if he understood why Jack let him make the choice.

I don't know where I in Daniel's shoes that I could have done what he did. It would have happened anyway, Sam or Jack would have done it, but... ouch.

Dana Jeanne

I remember sitting there dumbstruck that Jack could have been so callous! I think I even threw something at the TV.

[Dana_Jeanne]

I remember sitting there dumbstruck that Jack could have been so callous! I think I even threw something at the TV.

I know, it took me a couple viewings before I realised that what Jack did was actually a smart move. If anyone else had done it, Daniel could have blamed that person and the team could have splintered.

I just can't imagine how he must have felt when he aimed and shot :(

Dana Jeanne

[blingaway]

I know, it took me a couple viewings before I realised that what Jack did was actually a smart move. If anyone else had done it, Daniel could have blamed that person and the team could have splintered.

I just can't imagine how he must have felt when he aimed and shot :(

Dana Jeanne

I think he'd have had to be numb. And Jack needed to be sure of Daniel but did Daniel know he could be sure Jack would be there for the continuing search for Sha're? It must have been an agony for Daniel, who had been going alone most of his life, to suddenly need to depend on someone sticking with him for an unspecified future.

[GateGipsy]

I watched Thor's Hammer last night, and watching the ending it struck me that Jack purposely gave the staff weapon to Daniel so he would have to be the one to destroy the 'hammer' thereby destroying the one chance they had (at the time) to get the goa'uld out of Shau'ri.

I thought that showed a lot of smarts on Jack's part, and trust that Daniel would do the right thing.

While Daniel didn't show much anger or unhappiness outwardly, how do you think he was feeling inside? I wonder if he yelled at Jack when they got home, or if he understood why Jack let him make the choice.

I don't know where I in Daniel's shoes that I could have done what he did. It would have happened anyway, Sam or Jack would have done it, but... ouch.

Dana Jeanne
I found that scene so hard to watch, and still do. In CoTG/Enemy Within, we see Daniel emotionally ripped to shreds as he watches the operation on Kwalsky, knowing that this is it. If the operation works there's very real hope for Sha're, if it doesn't work then he has to go back to blind faith that a solution will be found. And here it is, a solution. Except that the right thing to do is destroy it. Poor Daniel :(

And good point on the Alien landing pads thing. You're right on that score. Although as it turned out...

[GateGipsy]

I know, it took me a couple viewings before I realised that what Jack did was actually a smart move. If anyone else had done it, Daniel could have blamed that person and the team could have splintered.

I just can't imagine how he must have felt when he aimed and shot :(

Dana Jeanne
It had to be Daniel that did that - only he could make the sort of decision for Sha're. And he would have known that Sha're would have agreed with him too.

[Daniel's_twin]

Agreed. If Jack had been the one to do it, Daniel probably never would've forgiven him. He was the only one to do it, no ifs ands or buts. :cool:

[Dana_Jeanne]

It had to be Daniel that did that - only he could make the sort of decision for Sha're. And he would have known that Sha're would have agreed with him too.
There is that, yes. But still....

You know, I've never ever felt about a TV character the way I do about Daniel. I generally have no trouble remembering this is all fiction and NOT REAL and all that, but with Stargate and Daniel, there's something that makes me kind of forget that when I'm watching or discussing the show or reading fanfic. I think part of that is Michael Shanks' ability to make Daniel seem so real. I don't see Michael when I watch... I don't know, there's just something about this character.

So, anyway :o when I see Daniel hurting on TV, I can feel it myself.

I am a strange person....

Dana Jeanne

[GateGipsy]

no not strange, sounds normal to me! Seriously though, when a show or a film can take you out of yourself to the point where you don't need to suspend disbelief then that's a fantastic moment. This is something that we lose as we get older, and it annoys me because I read a book or watch a movie or a program to 'escape' for a bit. But there are very few times when I do actually manage this. Reading Birdsong by Sebastian Faulks is the only other example I can think of - during the battle of the Somme I was so immersed in the book and it was so real, that reality seemed fake. Other than that, the last time I truly felt this way with a movie was watching Empire Strikes Back, but then I was 14 at the time. And when it comes to TV, it is Stargate that does it for me.

Although I do fully know that Stargate is a fictional creation! It was Foothold that made me realise this - I didn't actually twig . I was watching Sam wearing the mimic device as 'Daniel' and I realised that what I actually was watching was Sam looking like Daniel - I wasn't seeing an actor pretending to be another actor, I hadn't had to activate my 'suspension of disbelief', I was believing what I was seeing on the screen.

It's so cool! Kinda like the adrenalin rush people seem to get from fairground rides (I just get dizzy and sick).

[Madeleine]

Although I do fully know that Stargate is a fictional creation! It was Foothold that made me realise this - I didn't actually twig . I was watching Sam wearing the mimic device as 'Daniel' and I realised that what I actually was watching was Sam looking like Daniel - I wasn't seeing an actor pretending to be another actor, I hadn't had to activate my 'suspension of disbelief', I was believing what I was seeing on the screen.

I know what you mean with those scenes; when I *did* register that the show was a fiction and the characters were acted by actors it still took me a while to unravel things sufficiently to take in that it wasn't AT doing the acting in all of Sam's scenes. I once commented how well AT had done portraying Daniel!

[GateGipsy]

ROFL! Now that's definitely blurring the lines. But I know what you mean. I had the same thought going through my head too. I haven't felt that in very many other shows (well none that I can name off the top of my head!).

[DJFavorite]

I've been doing some thinking (with no luck yet) as to what direction should Daniel's growth go in? How do you think his character should grow with the changes of the team? Now I know some of you have seen the newest episodes (still on the edge of my seat for January.), but in general, what are your thoughts?

[LMichelle]

While I love SG-1 going out and saving the planet from evil, I'd also like them to get a life as well away from the SGC. :)

I'd like Daniel to find someone and have a normal live outside of the Stargate program, however since he was dimissed by his collegues and the archeaology community, I'm not sure how that would happen. :eek:

[Jillybiehn]

I'm still pulling for him to build something with Sarah, tho I don't really know how, as IT'S BEEN A WHILE (a-hem, TPTB :p) since we visited that storyline. It really only makes sense, they have a lot in common and she knows about the SGC and the Goa'uld and...am I blathering? Sorry. :)
At any rate, poor Danny needs a life outside the SGC. And he needs to wear shirts less often. :D

[blingaway]

At any rate, poor Danny needs a life outside the SGC. And he needs to wear shirts less often. :D

Take a summer leave of absence and work as a lifeguard? :D

[Jillybiehn]

Hmmm...there's a thought...or take a second job as a Hanes underwear model... :D

But seriously, how fair is it that Sam and Teal'c and even JACK get to have relationships and poor Danny doesn't?

[Dani347]

Despite being something of a Daniel/Janet shipper (yes, I can ship, too), I really think Daniel found the love of his life with Sha're and probably isn't looking for anyone else. And, is still quite content and happy.

Besides, Daniel might have a life outside the SGC that we don't know about. MS mentioned Daniel's secret ninja activities, right?;)

[Dana_Jeanne]

Despite being something of a Daniel/Janet shipper (yes, I can ship, too), I really think Daniel found the love of his life with Sha're and probably isn't looking for anyone else. And, is still quite content and happy.


I think Shau'ri was the love of his life, too. He grew up alone (as far as we know) so he's probably used to it. Maybe he's content with things as they are.

Although watching Daniel kiss is.... mighty fine :o

Dana Jeanne

[Jillybiehn]

I think Shau'ri was the love of his life, too. He grew up alone (as far as we know) so he's probably used to it. Maybe he's content with things as they are.

Although watching Daniel kiss is.... mighty fine :o

Dana Jeanne
Ah, but isn't it also true that people who have loved deeply like that are more likely to fall in love again? I know I've heard that somewhere.

And I'm ALL for TPTB showing Danny in a ninja outfit. :D

[Dana_Jeanne]

I've been doing some thinking (with no luck yet) as to what direction should Daniel's growth go in? How do you think his character should grow with the changes of the team? Now I know some of you have seen the newest episodes (still on the edge of my seat for January.), but in general, what are your thoughts?

Well, I'm not happy with the way he's seem to have gone all military on us, but for that I blame the writers and their apparent lack of imagination. I miss the mythology and archeaology, etc.

A certain amount of change is necessary, I understand that; Daniel works with the military and he must learn to survive militarily. However that doesn't mean we have to lose the archeaologist and linguist. With Jack being a general now, there hasn't even been that "peace/war" interaction we used to have with them :(

With the changes in store for S9, I'd like to see Daniel, Teal'c and Carter go back to exploring other planets and making new allies. I'd like the episodes to get OUT of the spaceships and back on the planets. There's so much out there to discover!

Or even better: do some exploring on our own planet. Seth and Hathor, Osiris and Isis, all were found here on earth. What's to say other Goa'ulds aren't still here, buried in egypt somewhere? That would be right up Daniel's alley.

Dana Jeanne

[GateGipsy]

I think that Daniel's character has developed a lot. I don't think we need to see that anymore. What I'd like to see is more exploration of his character as it now is. We haven't seen a lot of that. So far this season I've had the feeling they're giving him Jack's lines (what Jack would have said if he had been around). That was particularly true in last night's episode the name of which has completely slipped my mind! Was it Endgame or was that the SGA ep?!

However, that was a good episode for Daniel in a lot of ways. I liked the banter between him and Jack. We got a few arm porn teasing moments. And it is alsways great when he goes a bit ninja (I'm not keen on the military aspect most of the time, but he does look so good when he does that). S8 spoilers when the guy from the trust pointed his zat at Daniel and Sam, and then said 'sorry Daniel' it took me a second to grasp what he meant. *gasp*. That was a bit of an edge of the seat moment when I realised he was going to kill him. I love it when they sneak stuff like that up on you - it is treating the watcher as a grown up (no-one stopped to explain later on about the two zats thing yadda yadda).

[Jillybiehn]

Well, I'm not happy with the way he's seem to have gone all military on us, but for that I blame the writers and their apparent lack of imagination. I miss the mythology and archeaology, etc.

A certain amount of change is necessary, I understand that; Daniel works with the military and he must learn to survive militarily. However that doesn't mean we have to lose the archeaologist and linguist. With Jack being a general now, there hasn't even been that "peace/war" interaction we used to have with them :(

With the changes in store for S9, I'd like to see Daniel, Teal'c and Carter go back to exploring other planets and making new allies. I'd like the episodes to get OUT of the spaceships and back on the planets. There's so much out there to discover!

Or even better: do some exploring on our own planet. Seth and Hathor, Osiris and Isis, all were found here on earth. What's to say other Goa'ulds aren't still here, buried in egypt somewhere? That would be right up Daniel's alley.

Dana Jeanne
Oooh, exploring planets, there's a novelty. [/sarcasm]
We've seen, what, a whole three new planets this season? Icon, and two in Endgame. That T went to on his own. I don't MIND the earth-based stuff, I don't get as rabid as others do, but still, isn't what that what the show's about? The now rarely-used Stargate? [/rant]
We need to get back to the roots of the show, and that's exploring and letting DJ use his talents and education.

[Daniel's_twin]

I think they're just running out of ideas, which is why the show's renewal is in such danger every year. :cool:

[Nirtia]

Ummm Hi guys. I don't mean to interrupt the flow of your discussion but I am new to this forum and just thought I would share my thoughts on our Beloved Daniel. I have been a huge fan for about a year and 1/2 so yeah I'm new in that too.

Okay I am trying to remember the questions asked in the beginning about Daniel so here goes:

The first episode of Stargate SG1 I ever watched was Secrets. (Now thats an eppy to come in on LOL) Mind you I had seen the movie and liked it. But I have to admit I didn't care so much for the show at first. It was just something my Father watched regularly and so when I visited him I had to watch too................ WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Sci fi began airing season 7 last year and I saw evolution part 2 and I was like OMG who is that man LOL (of course it was Daniel) Thus began my journey of catching up and my obsession became clear. I have seen every single episode 3 times. Some more than others (wink wink) and it gets better with every viewing.

Okay so my favorite Daniel episode? I am going to say Secrets. My heart truly broke for him as he so selflessly loved Sha're. Then again there are sooo many wonderful Daniel moments that I can't name them all.

What can I say? That character drew me into Cheyenne Mountain. Need I say anything else?

So now back to topic: This season has been lacking the usual banter that I enjoy. I miss it terribly. However, I am looking forward to seeing THREADS and Prometheus Unbound (GRRRRRRRRRR) and others. As far as the Ancients and Daniel, I agree there needs to be more dealt with here than they have in the past. The rushed that story and I was left incomplete.

I do have hope that season 9 will be good in content and have some even better adventures. Lets just wait and see.


PHEW NOW I AM DONE!!!!!!!!! My next posts won't be as long I promise hehehhe

Nirtia

[Jillybiehn]

Welcome Nirtia! Don't forget to stop by the Daniel/MS Thunk Thread where Evolution is one of our favorite topics. :D

[Nirtia]

OH thanks Jilly I will..........

[Dana_Jeanne]

I think they're just running out of ideas, which is why the show's renewal is in such danger every year. :cool:
I have tons of ideas they can use!!! I'd be happy to share....
DJ

[Dana_Jeanne]

Ah, welcome to the world of Daniel Delights, Nirtia! The more the merrier :)

Dana Jeanne

[Nirtia]

OH thank you much. Methinks there shall be some great fun here

[docgwen]

Hello everyone, I am the enforcer from another site. Here to snatch Nirtia back. I'm just kidding. She drug me here kicking and screaming. What will our beloved leader do when he finds out?

Never mind. I appreciate Daniel too. I um tend to write fan fiction especially the scenes going back to the gate. Of Course Daniel is in front of everyone if you know what I mean

;) docgwen

[Nirtia]

NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How did she get out of the sanitarium. Dr. Mackenzie gave me every reassurance that she would be contained. Umm don't worry everyone Docgwen is actually quite harmless. Okay I say that with a slight discomfort but still. Glad you stopped by Doc.

[docgwen]

* raises eyebrows and smiles wanly* Nir--ti--a! I'm baack! But seriously Daniel and evolution -- evolution? I don't remember that one? Could you refresh my memory! I mean we NEVER discuss that eppy have we? ;)

Someone is having a pec look meltdown, and it ain't me.

;)

[Nirtia]

Tsst tsst Doc Gwen we haven't had our medication today have we? LOL

Serious those pecs are pretty darn fine don't ya know

[docgwen]

Medication? pfft! Silly woman Mackenzie sent me here looking for you! ;) and Jellybeihn I like urgo too! I think I like it here if Urgo is going to play here too!

Of Course my favorite love story is Shar'ae and Daniel! I'm not a shipper otherwise-- OW ! OW! those bricks hurt don't throw bricks gwen likes Shar'ae and Daniel.

[Nirtia]

Well anyway thanks all for being so understanding while I round up the my crazy pal and cart her back to the loony bin.......... I look forward to many more fun discussions about our beloved archeologist....... And I will try to keep Docgwen on a leash LOL

[Daniel's_twin]

Remind me not to get on your bad side. :cool:

[docgwen]

Leash? Man Nirtia you gotta quit having those delusions of yours.

Yes I think he is adorable especially in Heroes carting that teddy bear!

[Nirtia]

OH Don't worry Daniel's Twin, Gwen and I are pals and like to kid around. I dont' have too much of a bad side LOL

Gwen, get in the van we are going to see some nice men in white coats

Nirtia

[docgwen]

HUH? Do I know you? let's see Nirtia? ;) Yep I know her regular visitor to the labs in docgwen's underground! LOL


We have pictures of Daniel hung up so she doesn't get lonely while we reprogram her positronic matrix. Pretty fine work eh?

Okay does anyone know about the civilian medal of honor petition for Daniel Jackson? There were a group of Daniel devotees trying to get Daniel presidential medal of freedom or something like that for his service to his country and the world.

http://stargatedanielfriendly.net/html/danielacknowledgement.php

[Dana_Jeanne]

Okay does anyone know about the civilian medal of honor petition for Daniel Jackson? There were a group of Daniel devotees trying to get Daniel presidential medal of freedom or something like that for his service to his country and the world.

http://stargatedanielfriendly.net/html/danielacknowledgement.php

I know about it; well heard about and signed it. Don't know what happened with it. Forgot all about it actually.

I do think Daniel deserves a medal and I think it's something we should get to see on an episode!!!!!

Dana Jeanne

[Daniel's_twin]

Indeed. I think he's gone above and beyond the call of - an archaeologist - several times already. Especially considering all the times he's been killed or presumed dead. A medal is the least we could do for the guy. :cool:

[Jillybiehn]

Medication? pfft! Silly woman Mackenzie sent me here looking for you! ;) and Jellybeihn I like urgo too! I think I like it here if Urgo is going to play here too!

Of Course my favorite love story is Shar'ae and Daniel! I'm not a shipper otherwise-- OW ! OW! those bricks hurt don't throw bricks gwen likes Shar'ae and Daniel.
Urgo. Rules. I quote him all the time. :D
Welcome to you too, Gwen. We're all usually fun and fairly harmless--we get our shots anually. :)

[Jillybiehn]

I know about it; well heard about and signed it. Don't know what happened with it. Forgot all about it actually.

I do think Daniel deserves a medal and I think it's something we should get to see on an episode!!!!!

Dana Jeanne
Indeed, there was much arguing that Daniel (and Teal'c) need(s) to be recognized for their contributions to the safety and advances of our planet. And I volunteer to pin the medal on him! :D

[docgwen]

Urgo. Rules. I quote him all the time. :D
Welcome to you too, Gwen. We're all usually fun and fairly harmless--we get our shots anually. :)

Oh goody! Another Urgo-ite. Do you parody him? I just gotta love the Urgo.

Urgo: Even a smidgen?

Gwen: Well maybe a smidgen.

Urgo: Me or Death, Death or me?

Gwen: Don't push it Urgo! So what did you think of Daniel?

Urgo: Ah . . . well, pfft. Complicated individual, very complicated.

Gwen: I'm all for the Presidential Freedom Medal too, however now that I look at it isn't that what they gave him in the 2010 eppy? HMMM have to look again.

[Madeleine]

LOL! A medal inscribed "For bravery above and beyond the call of Archaeology" :D

[Jillybiehn]

How about the Purple Shovel, for being wounded/killed in the line of Archaeology? :D

[Madeleine]

How about the Purple Shovel, for being wounded/killed in the line of Archaeology? :D

ROFL!

[Daniel's_twin]

How about the Purple Shovel, for being wounded/killed in the line of Archaeology? :D

He can claim, and rightfully so, that he would be the first in history to recieve such an honor. :cool:

[Jillybiehn]

Now, how can we win an argument that he should receive special recognition when we let the thread slip to page two?! Shame on us!
I have to say, after watching The Curse tonight, his civvies have improved slowly but surely. Hurray for the costume department!
It's so different watching that ep from the perspective of knowing--do I need spoiler space? I'll go back and fix it if someone complains--that Sarah's Goulded from the very outset. It makes her character's motivations that much darker. And I love that Danny stuck to his guns and didn't tell her anything about what he'd been up to, though it would have been so easy for him to. *applauds* That's my boy.

[Nirtia]

Here Here. And how about in Thor's Hammer when our man Dan fired the staff at what appeared to be Sha're's onlly hope of degoa'ulding....... My heart swells at such selflessness

[Daniel's_twin]

Indeed. That's just the way Daniel is. He always puts others ahead of himself, and I really like that in a character.And that's why I use the name Daniel's twin proudly. :cool:

[Immy]

Hi I just discovered this thread :) wow, to many pages not enough time.

I think I've been a Danielite since the begining, or at least since 'Fire and Water' I'm a sucker for wet t-shirts :P

Anyway a thought just occured to me (I haven't read all the posts yet so if its already been talked about, sorry) I was watching 'Abyss' (again :) ) and I started to wonder if Daniel would have ascended anybody durring his time with Oma. I'm thinking he proably would have.

What do you guys think?

[blingaway]

I always had the feeling when he wasn't learning the Ascension ropes, he was mainly looking out for SG-1. But I can't see a reason why he wouldn't have helped a random person ascend...


Welcome Imo, and if you come over to the Daniel Thunk Thread, we'll post a pretty piccie of a wet fire and water Daniel for ya! :)

[Nirtia]

Hey now I remember Fire and Water very well and I must say I enjoyed that episode very much...... Had great angst and Daniel hurt..............

Yep our man Dan always gives of himself doesn't he? How many here would want him to find true happiness in the near future.......

[GateGipsy]

Good point. I always had the impression that ascending someone was a power that Oma kept pretty much to herself. Not that other's couldn't ascend someone, just that they wouldn't be able to without her permission.

Otherwise I think Daniel would have spent all his time ascending worthy people, as that's the soul that he is.

[LMichelle]

I'm wondering what Ascended Daniel did. Since he couldn't interfere and make things better, than what the heck did he do with his time? :confused:

Besides wearing that V-neck sweater. :D

[blingaway]

what the heck did he do with his time?

I'm gonna go with 'watched people in the shower'. :p

But seriously...

...Maybe time is perceived differently by the Ascended.

[AzMcNeil]

I'm gonna go with 'watched people in the shower'. :p

But seriously...

...Maybe time is perceived differently by the Ascended.

Agreed...but Daniel knew what we were doing all along so his time view was probaly par with ours.

[blingaway]

Agreed...but Daniel knew what we were doing all along so his time view was probaly par with ours.

'K...

Having my only remotely viable theory blown to bits, I'm now gonna go with the slightly less viable "they get patience pills in with their welcome basket'.

[major_flaming_toaster]

Daniel is a great character. I liked him at first but as merely an extra person on the show. Even when he ascended, I didn't really mind. It was great when he came back, but hey we had Jonus. When I really started to appreciate Daniel is from Season 7 on. I realized that he is a good character. Plus he was one of the original characters. The entire SG movie was based mostly on him. Without Daniel, where would the Stargate be? Where would SG-1 be? Jonas was good, but ascension? Who can beat that?
Daniel is a great character both for storylines and for other character development. He is the knowledge with the morals. The good guy. The one that always wants to help. The loyal friend. What a guy.

[Madeleine]

I'm wondering what Ascended Daniel did. Since he couldn't interfere and make things better, than what the heck did he do with his time? :confused:

Besides wearing that V-neck sweater. :D

He wore the sweater so nicely though! You want *more* than that?

[GateGipsy]

He is the knowledge with the morals.
Like that :)

[Kaliska]

Good point. I always had the impression that ascending someone was a power that Oma kept pretty much to herself. Not that other's couldn't ascend someone, just that they wouldn't be able to without her permission.

Otherwise I think Daniel would have spent all his time ascending worthy people, as that's the soul that he is.

Had to break my hiatus to say that I can so see Danny sneaking around behind the other ancients' backs to help others ascend....

*Danny waits til Oma leaves the area then POOF, another disappears into a bright light* LOL

:p

[Dani347]

I'm wondering what Ascended Daniel did. Since he couldn't interfere and make things better, than what the heck did he do with his time? :confused:

Besides wearing that V-neck sweater. :D

He was a fashion model for Ascended Chic? He visited abandonded archeological sites, since he had all that time, and no one telling him to pack it up? He scared the you know what out of the doctor that drugged him up in Legacy a few times, and then used his skills at communicating to convince the Others that it didn't fall under the heading of interfering.

Seriously, he had to be doing something worth wile to him, since he told Jack he was satisfied at the time. Even if he changed his mind later.

[Kaliska]

Seriously, he had to be doing something worth wile to him, since he told Jack he was satisfied at the time. Even if he changed his mind later.

I think so too. Could you imagine learning everything he must've been learning as an ascended, and not be able to do anything about it? Especially since we all know Danny is always trying to help people out.

[GateGipsy]

Yes Daniel does always want to help others out, but he is also the one who looks at the bigger picture too. Like in Scorched Earth. He argued in support of the Gadmeerians - they faced losing a whole civilisation. However, they weren't humanoid, so they weren't a race we could relate to like we could with the Enkarens.

[Dana_Jeanne]

Yes Daniel does always want to help others out, but he is also the one who looks at the bigger picture too. Like in Scorched Earth. He argued in support of the Gadmeerians - they faced losing a whole civilisation. However, they weren't humanoid, so they weren't a race we could relate to like we could with the Enkarens.

That's something I've always liked about Daniel. To him, anything that can communicate is a sentient being: the Gadmeer, Reece, Urgo, while to Jack, if it's not human (Thor excepted <G>) it's not 'real.' Reece was an 'it' and the Gadmeer weren't anything.

Daniel has this wonderful ability to see 'humanity' everywhere except possibly in the Goa'uld, and even there he always thinks of the host. One of my favorite Daniel scenes is in...darn, I forget... where he's giving last rites to Apophis' host. It's a beautiful scene and shows what a beautiful soul Daniel has.

Not that he doesn't have faults! :D

Dana Jeanne

[Dani347]

That's something I've always liked about Daniel. To him, anything that can communicate is a sentient being: the Gadmeer, Reece, Urgo, while to Jack, if it's not human (Thor excepted <G>) it's not 'real.' Reece was an 'it' and the Gadmeer weren't anything.

Daniel has this wonderful ability to see 'humanity' everywhere except possibly in the Goa'uld, and even there he always thinks of the host. One of my favorite Daniel scenes is in...darn, I forget... where he's giving last rites to Apophis' host. It's a beautiful scene and shows what a beautiful soul Daniel has.

Not that he doesn't have faults! :D

Dana Jeanne

I think Jack can expand his humanity to aliens (hence Thor) but anything he sees as machinery isn't real to him. And, the episode with Daniel giving last rites to Apophis' host was Serpent's Song. I was just posting about it in another thread. I love Daniel in this episode because he went through a range of emotions.

And, I love Daniel's desire to communicate.

[LMichelle]

As you mentioned, it was Apophis' host, not Apophis, but considering what happened to Sha're, it had to have been very hard for Daniel. Poor Daniel. Poor Sha're. :(

[GateGipsy]

I think Jack can expand his humanity to aliens (hence Thor) but anything he sees as machinery isn't real to him. And, the episode with Daniel giving last rites to Apophis' host was Serpent's Song. I was just posting about it in another thread. I love Daniel in this episode because he went through a range of emotions.

And, I love Daniel's desire to communicate.Oh that bit with the host waking up just gets me every time. I find it so unbearable what must be happening with the hosts, and when he asks for his family I just want to cry.

[Daniel's_twin]

It must also have been hard for Daniel. Think about it, that was the face of the ultimate enemy that they had known thus far. It must have taken a lot for Daniel to look past the face of his enemy and look into the heart of the man who had been imprisoned in his own body for thousands of years. :cool:

[Dani347]

I think that's why when the host first emerged, Daniel got kind of flustered. He didn't know what to say. First, the mere idea of what life as a host must be. He could imagine it with Sha're, but here was actual proof. And, then, it was having to separate his enemy from the host.

[Kaliska]

That's something I've always liked about Daniel. To him, anything that can communicate is a sentient being: the Gadmeer, Reece, Urgo, while to Jack, if it's not human (Thor excepted <G>) it's not 'real.' Reece was an 'it' and the Gadmeer weren't anything.

Daniel has this wonderful ability to see 'humanity' everywhere except possibly in the Goa'uld, and even there he always thinks of the host. snip



I agree! And, it always makes the emotion impact more when he does get angry and destroy life...like when he gunned down the Goa'uld larval tanks. It really hits ya in the gut when Danny is blatantly violent.

[Dana_Jeanne]

It must also have been hard for Daniel. Think about it, that was the face of the ultimate enemy that they had known thus far. It must have taken a lot for Daniel to look past the face of his enemy and look into the heart of the man who had been imprisoned in his own body for thousands of years. :cool:

What a beautiful way of putting it!
Dana Jeanne

[Dana_Jeanne]

I agree! And, it always makes the emotion impact more when he does get angry and destroy life...like when he gunned down the Goa'uld larval tanks. It really hits ya in the gut when Danny is blatantly violent.

Oh, yeah-- just imagine the ANGER behind him shooting those baby Goa'ulds. I wonder how he felt about it after they all got back. I'd think he'd be feeling very contrary-- otoh, guilt because they were infants and therefor defenseless, and on the other hand, satisfaction because there were now XX number fewer infants to grow up and destroy another life....
DJ

[Daniel's_twin]

What a beautiful way of putting it!
Dana Jeanne

Thank you. :cool:

[GateGipsy]

Oh, yeah-- just imagine the ANGER behind him shooting those baby Goa'ulds. I wonder how he felt about it after they all got back. I'd think he'd be feeling very contrary-- otoh, guilt because they were infants and therefor defenseless, and on the other hand, satisfaction because there were now XX number fewer infants to grow up and destroy another life....
DJ
I agree I think he'd be feeling both those things. But also I think he wouldn't be liking himself very much either, because he wouldn't like loosing control like that. What I mean is that he gave in to the side of himself that he perhaps isn't fondest of. If that makes sense!

[Kaliska]

I agree I think he'd be feeling both those things. But also I think he wouldn't be liking himself very much either, because he wouldn't like loosing control like that. What I mean is that he gave in to the side of himself that he perhaps isn't fondest of. If that makes sense!

And in light of "Absolute Power" it definitely does make sense. That's one of the reasons I really like Daniel, he does have flaws, but he at leasts tries to fight against them. It would be interesting to see him now, in a similar situation...I wonder if he'd do the same thing?

[GateGipsy]

Hmmm good question. Would Daniel in Season 8 shoot a tank full of goa'uld larvae? I'm going to have to think about that one!

I think that Daniel in Season 5 ie pre-ascended would have done so, in the same way that he was prepared to release the poison despite what it would have done to the hosts.

But I'm not so sure about Season 8 Daniel.

What do other's think?

[Dana_Jeanne]

Hmmm good question. Would Daniel in Season 8 shoot a tank full of goa'uld larvae? I'm going to have to think about that one!

I think that Daniel in Season 5 ie pre-ascended would have done so, in the same way that he was prepared to release the poison despite what it would have done to the hosts.

But I'm not so sure about Season 8 Daniel.

What do other's think?

I think S8 Daniel would do it and not feel as guilty about it. S8 Daniel I don't see as being quite so.... 'timid' is the wrong word, but I can't think of another. He's become more resigned to the military way. In 'Enemy Mine' when Jack had to take Edwards side against Daniel, rather than argue, Daniel accepted it.

Dana Jeanne

[LMichelle]

COTG was on Stargate Monday last night. Young and innocent Daniel. Poor Daniel. He blames himself for what happened to the Abydonians and of course Sha're. :( Poor Daniel. He looked so pitiful when he sees Ammonet as Apophis is going to choose the children of the Gods.

I was thinking about Teal'c and Daniel. I thought Daniel would be angrier at Teal'c for being Apophis' First Prime, considering what happened to Sha're. However, we don't see any animosity between the two characters.

I loved the scene when the Abdyonians gather around Daniel before he leaves to back through the Gate. You witness how much he was accepted by the people of Abydos. His whole idyllic world was shattered with Sha're being taken from him. Now he must return to a world that he felt didn't accept him. :(

[Daniel's_twin]

I agree I think he'd be feeling both those things. But also I think he wouldn't be liking himself very much either, because he wouldn't like loosing control like that. What I mean is that he gave in to the side of himself that he perhaps isn't fondest of. If that makes sense!

It makes sense to me. And with everything that he had already gone through, that must have felt satisfying when he actually did the act, but after he calmed down, he definitely realized his mistake. Especially when Teal'c needed another symbiote. Basically, they only finished one of their objectives. Daniel was probably beating himself up for that. :cool:

[dannylover]

this may be a little of topic but no one will listen to me on the thunk thread. Does anyone know how many fansite MS has? i heard it was more then brad pitt but the others say to is not so :( maybe a little more of a reference point?

[DJFavorite]

this may be a little of topic but no one will listen to me on the thunk thread. Does anyone know how many fansite MS has? i heard it was more then brad pitt but the others say to is not so :( maybe a little more of a reference point?
It's not that those of us in the thunk thread were ignoring you, we just sometimes get so into the thunking, we can't think of anything else. Honestly, I do not know the answer to your question, so I didn't really give the thought of answering. I guess I should have at least acknowledged your post. Sorry if you felt ignored there. (I hope you do visit the thread again, we are a lot of fun over there.)

[Frostfox]

this may be a little of topic but no one will listen to me on the thunk thread. Does anyone know how many fansite MS has? i heard it was more then brad pitt but the others say to is not so :( maybe a little more of a reference point?

Try running a google on MS, see how many hits you get. Then try it again with another actor.
It doesn't give you the number of fansites but it gives you an idea of popularity on the net.


FF

:)

[DJFavorite]

Try running a google on MS, see how many hits you get. Then try it again with another actor.
It doesn't give you the number of fansites but it gives you an idea of popularity on the net.


FF

:)
The problem with that is you get a lot of sites on Michael Shanks the archaeologist.

[dannylover]

thanks DJF i feel better now,but i don't think i'd be able to stay away from that tread if i wanted to :p

[DJFavorite]

thanks DJF i feel better now,but i don't think i'd be able to stay away from that tread if i wanted to :p
you might want to right at the moment. michelleb is tormenting us with comments about Prometheus Unbound. That is if you read her spoiler tags.... AUGH!!!! I can't wait for January for more Daniel!!!!

[Kaliska]

I think S8 Daniel would do it and not feel as guilty about it. S8 Daniel I don't see as being quite so.... 'timid' is the wrong word, but I can't think of another. He's become more resigned to the military way. In 'Enemy Mine' when Jack had to take Edwards side against Daniel, rather than argue, Daniel accepted it.

Dana Jeanne

I can totally see this point of view, and if I think about it logically I think he'd do it too...but, for some reason my instinct says he wouldn't. I guess it may have something to do with his ascension...or since it has been so long since Sha're's death. I just remember how surprised Sam was when he shot the tanks, maybe she'd try to talk him out of it again, this time with better results? :confused:

[Madeleine]

I LOVED Prometheus Unbound. Daniel had a great part. Just thought I'd share :D

[Wuld]

My favorite daniel episode is There but for a grace of god.

[Kaliska]

I LOVED Prometheus Unbound. Daniel had a great part. Just thought I'd share :D

Can't wait!!!! :D

[Madeleine]

Um, I feel really bad now in case I got anyone's hopes up. Not all Daniel-fans have liked this one, so I might be 'wrong' on it :o

[DJFavorite]

Um, I feel really bad now in case I got anyone's hopes up. Not all Daniel-fans have liked this one, so I might be 'wrong' on it :o
Well, with all of michelle's talk of it on the thunk thread, I can't wait to see it.

[Kaliska]

Um, I feel really bad now in case I got anyone's hopes up. Not all Daniel-fans have liked this one, so I might be 'wrong' on it :o

LOL, I think it'll be fine from everything I've read! I still can't wait!! ;)

[Jillybiehn]

Um, I feel really bad now in case I got anyone's hopes up. Not all Daniel-fans have liked this one, so I might be 'wrong' on it :o
From what I've heard the hussies at least will like it JUUUUUUUST fine. :D

[Dana_Jeanne]

COTG was on Stargate Monday last night. I was thinking about Teal'c and Daniel. I thought Daniel would be angrier at Teal'c for being Apophis' First Prime, considering what happened to Sha're. However, we don't see any animosity between the two characters. :(

I think the PTB really dropped the ball on that one. There could have been some really good friction between the two men as Daniel worked through his anger and hurt and learned to trust Teal'c. It could have been little things inserted here and there, like the scene in Thor's Hammer where Daniel destroys the hammer to save Teal'c.

Ah well.

Dana Jeanne

[Dana_Jeanne]

Um, I feel really bad now in case I got anyone's hopes up. Not all Daniel-fans have liked this one, so I might be 'wrong' on it :o

The majority seem to have loved it, so I'll just accept that I'm simply weird for not liking it and let it go at that ;)

Deej

[Madeleine]

Weird is relative :D

[Daniel's_twin]

This is killin' me! I gotta wait nearly a month before I see it! TPTB are trying to do me in. *sob*
But don't worry, I can make it. I recently watched "Full Circle" and I think it was one of Daniel's best eps, so it'll keep me goin' until January. :cool:

[GateGipsy]

Well, I enjoyed Prometheus Unbound overall. I can't give a complete judgement on it yet though. I think that this is one of those episodes that I'm going to have to watch three, four, maybe even five times to really 'get' it.

So I'm going to have to with hold my thoughts for now.

However there was one scene that, even if the rest of the episode was poo, would have made this one a keeper for me when the 'super solidier' tells Daniel that he's attractive that was a real 'gasper' of a moment for me. If I'd put a bet on what 'it' was going to say, I'd have been way way way off the mark!

[Dana_Jeanne]

LOL. Yeah, that was a shocker wasn't it, Gyps? That's one of the few places where I did LOL, and think it was humour well-placed. The look on Daniel's face... PRICELESS.
Dana Jeanne

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[Dani347]

I liked that part, too :D

[bravesmom63]

I LOVED Prometheus Unbound. Daniel had a great part. Just thought I'd share :D

TEASE!!! The more cryptic comments I read from you lucky Brits, the more I quiver with anticipation. My hubby thinks it's hilarious.

[Margaret]

COTG was on Stargate Monday last night. [snip]

I was thinking about Teal'c and Daniel. I thought Daniel would be angrier at Teal'c for being Apophis' First Prime, considering what happened to Sha're. However, we don't see any animosity between the two characters.


Teal'c did save their lives.

Like Jack said, "A little thing like that kind of makes a person grow on you."

[LMichelle]

Teal'c did save their lives.

Like Jack said, "A little thing like that kind of makes a person grow on you."

Yes, but Teal'c was with Apophis when he took Sha're. Teal'c was also the one who killed Sha're. Yes, he only did it to save Daniel's life, and it was Ammonet who was trying to kill Daniel. Unfortunately, one of Daniel's friends was the one who killed her. :(

[Osiris-RA]

Danny-Boy has always been one of my fav's since Ii first saw the movie. I think Michael Shanks was a great actor for the role and even better than the man who first played him. (why can I never remeber his name??? argghhh!! :o )

I like Daniel's sensitivity. His conflict with Jack and the way he tries to explain everything.

I heard Amanda does research on the stuff her character says, does Mike do that too? He doesnt strike me as the type who would.

Anyway, Daniel Jackson is everything cool, cute and smart. and what I like best is he is the most spiritual, besides Teal'c.

[Dani347]

James Spader played Daniel in the movie.

[Osiris-RA]

James Spader! *smacks forehead* thank you!

[whisper99]

James Spader! *smacks forehead* thank you!

James Spader, yes, a very good Daniel Jackson (IMO) :) I recently watched the Stargate Movie & COTG right after. It was nice to see them back to back. MS/DJ does a great JS/DJ. :)

In the movie, I loved the way Daniel was just standing out in the rain after Catherine asked him to join her team. It's like, look at this poor guy. Lost his job, grants, respect of his collegues/friends and his apartment. Sheesh - he only had what was in his bags. I figure he joined the program more for the paying job (so he wouldn't end up homeless somewhere) than being actually intrigued(sp?)

You gotta wonder at what was in Daniel's head at the time since he had NO friends - nothing to keep him on earth. I think, since he had no family to speak of, he would have at least cultivated some friendships at least. But he (at least according to the TV show) apparently let those friendships fade away. Couldn't even keep his girlfriend (Sarah) for more than 2 months. I wonder if he pushed people away on purpose? Or did he even notice that he was doing it?

I wondered all that while watching the movie. Then I wondered some more about his deciding to stay with Sha're at the end of the movie. Maybe he didn't feel threatened by her? Maybe Sarah was too much for him to handle? Was she threatening to bring down his defensive wall? Getting too close so it's time to push her away?

But anyway...on to CoTG: It was great to see Daniel react to losing his wife and then realizing he was losing his home too. That's the first time we see him cry - when he tells the people to bury the gate for a year. Then of course, it's more heartbreaking when Jack sees him standing in the coridoor and he says "They don't know what to do with me. I don't know what to do with myself."

So again, we have poor Daniel who, 2 weeks or so after losing everything on earth, has something of a job then is shipped to an alien planet. He gets super stressed then is happy for only a year. Then it's all over because he loses EVERYTHING again. Poor guy. You just have to feel for him. But since he's (obviously) a survivor, he just pulls himself up by the bootstraps and starts over. I wonder if being with Jack (somebody who cared) actually helped him bring down some of those defensive walls (I think) he has/had?

Ooh...and one last thing cuz I forgot to look for it in the movie. Does JS/DJ do the self hugging thing or was that something MS/DJ brought into the tv show?

-Whisper
(Doing my part to bump this back to the first page)

[Dani347]

But anyway...on to CoTG: It was great to see Daniel react to losing his wife and then realizing he was losing his home too. That's the first time we see him cry - when he tells the people to bury the gate for a year. Then of course, it's more heartbreaking when Jack sees him standing in the coridoor and he says "They don't know what to do with me. I don't know what to do with myself."

That scene with the Abydonians all gathered around him is one of the most touching and actually wonderful moments I've seen on the show. People who love Daniel that much and aren't afraid to show it. That's why the way they handled what happened to Abydos irritates me so much. This was Daniel's family. I unfortunately have never seen the corridor scene, because sci-fi, in its infinite unwisdom always sees fit to edit that part out.


I wonder if being with Jack (somebody who cared) actually helped him bring down some of those defensive walls (I think) he has/had?

I think that's a very good possibility. They each gave the other something that helped them. I think after Daniel lost another family, Jack gave him one in himself. SG1, too, but Jack to the greatest extent. And, Daniel gave Jack a new lease on life.

[whisper99]

That scene with the Abydonians all gathered around him is one of the most touching and actually wonderful moments I've seen on the show. People who love Daniel that much and aren't afraid to show it. That's why the way they handled what happened to Abydos irritates me so much. This was Daniel's family. I unfortunately have never seen the corridor scene, because sci-fi, in its infinite unwisdom always sees fit to edit that part out.

That's a great scene. He is so completely vulnerable there. Then of course, there's the scene where he's at Jack's and they're driking beer and Daniel is talking to him about abydos. I always thought that Jack's comment about Daniel being a cheap drunk was a fanific thing, but nope. Jack actually says, "you're a cheaper drunk than my wife".




I think that's a very good possibility. They each gave the other something that helped them. I think after Daniel lost another family, Jack gave him one in himself. SG1, too, but Jack to the greatest extent. And, Daniel gave Jack a new lease on life.

You know, I never really thought about it this way, but Jack was presumably happily retired before CoTG happened. I would say that he joined the SGC really, to find Scarra and help Daniel find Sha're. So, when TPTB said that when Sha're died, Daniel had lost his reason for bieng...that is a crock of doodoo because when you think about it, that was why Jack joined up too. The only thing maybe was that Scarra was still out there, but Daniel would have wanted to find him just as badly, IMO.

Bah humbug...what a waste of opportunities. But, since we can't go back and can only go forward, I HOPE!!!!! that the rest of S8 and S9 pay more justice to our Beloved (should I use that word? LOL) Daniel Jackson.

[Daniel's_twin]

From what I've seen, several of the eps in season eight are going to star Daniel as the central figure. :cool:

[Dani347]

You know, I never really thought about it this way, but Jack was presumably happily retired before CoTG happened.


Well, I was mainly talking about the movie. Wasn't Jack suicidal in the movie?

[Daniel's_twin]

Yes he was. :cool:

[whisper99]

Well, I was mainly talking about the movie. Wasn't Jack suicidal in the movie?

Yes, he was. I'm sorry, I was talking about Jack after the movie, right before he went back to Abydos in CoTG

[Dana_Jeanne]

Ooh...and one last thing cuz I forgot to look for it in the movie. Does JS/DJ do the self hugging thing or was that something MS/DJ brought into the tv show?
We asked that question at a convention; MS actually had no idea he was doing that, it was simply the way he was standing, totally unconscious, so we could make it out to be whatever we wanted :D

Dana Jeanne

[Dana_Jeanne]

I figure he joined the program more for the paying job (so he wouldn't end up homeless somewhere) than being actually intrigued

I've a feeling it was a combination of both. Daniel is Curious about everything, he wants to be learning new things all the time, and this was something that would pique that curiosity of his. Plus, he had nothing to lose by checking it out. If he'd had a family, then perhaps he would have thought twice about Catherine's proposal.

In The Curse, didn't he say that he pulled away from Dr. Jordon because he didn't want his rapidly deteriorating reputation to taint Dr. Jordon? And I took that reputation to be the main cause of his break-up with Sarah: she wanted him to basically shut-up about his ideas, and he wouldn't.

Something that has always bugged me about the TV Show is the way they've made it into canon that Daniel said Aliens Built The Pyramids. He never said that. He said that the pyramids were older than everyone thought and that perhaps it wasn't the Egyptians that built them. It was someone from the audience at his talk in the movie that brought up Aliens-- Daniel's response was that he didn't know who built them, just that they were older.... His thing was the cross-polinization of something or other, that languages were older than we thought and that somehow they'd moved around the earth, or something. Aliens NEVER entered into it anywhere! Grrrr. Hot spot for me :o

Dana Jeanne

[Liv]

We asked that question at a convention; MS actually had no idea he was doing that, it was simply the way he was standing, totally unconscious, so we could make it out to be whatever we wanted :D

Really? I did not know this. Very interesting info, because I've always considered this to be such a big part of Daniel. I was convinced that it was something MS had incorporated into the character.

So then, is this something that RDA noticed on his own when he was playing the switch of their characters in Holiday? I figured they would have talked pretty extensively about their traits and such; seeing as how RDA did the self-hugging thing in that particular scene where they switched back.

Now I'm really curious. :)

[whisper99]

Really? I did not know this. Very interesting info, because I've always considered this to be such a big part of Daniel. I was convinced that it was something MS had incorporated into the character.

So then, is this something that RDA noticed on his own when he was playing the switch of their characters in Holiday? I figured they would have talked pretty extensively about their traits and such; seeing as how RDA did the self-hugging thing in that particular scene where they switched back.

Now I'm really curious. :)

'Tis what happens when a character takes on a life of his own :) Gotta love it! :)

[Dana_Jeanne]

Really? I did not know this. Very interesting info, because I've always considered this to be such a big part of Daniel. I was convinced that it was something MS had incorporated into the character.

So then, is this something that RDA noticed on his own when he was playing the switch of their characters in Holiday? I figured they would have talked pretty extensively about their traits and such; seeing as how RDA did the self-hugging thing in that particular scene where they switched back.
It was a bit of a let-down when he told us since that self hug is such a HUGE thing in fanfic! As for Holiday, I'm betting that RDA noticed it, same as we did and stuck it in there.

Of course, there's always the possibility that young master Shanks was simply teasing us, but he did look honestly puzzled at the question.

Dana Jeanne

[whisper99]

I appreciate Daniel for the way his bottom lip pouts out ever so slightly when he's not about to get his way on something.

*Thunk* :D

[Frostfox]

I appreciate Daniel for the way his bottom lip pouts out ever so slightly when he's not about to get his way on something.

*Thunk* :D

Oh, he can be a sulky little brat alright.

A very high maintainance geek. But there are compensations.

[whisper99]

I appreciate Daniel for that sweet little boy smile he has and that we've gotten to see more of more of on s7 & s8. :D

[Dana_Jeanne]

I appreciate Daniel for the way his bottom lip pouts out ever so slightly when he's not about to get his way on something.

*Thunk* :D

LOL-- that actually happens quite often doesn't it? And it's usually pointed in Jack's direction!

Dana Jeanne

[whisper99]

I appreciate Daniel for the lovely way he uses hands when trying emphasize a point. :D

[whisper99]

LOL-- that actually happens quite often doesn't it? And it's usually pointed in Jack's direction!

Dana Jeanne

Heehee :) Why knock something when you know it works? :)

Ok, here's a new one:

I appreciate Daniel for the way his eyebrows shoot way up over the rims of his glasses when he gets consternated over something.

(It's ok if you have to re-read the word - not constipated...consternated.) LOL! :)

[LMichelle]

I appreciate Daniel for the way he looks in the tight black t-shirts and the way he crosses his arms over his chest. (See season 7 promo photo for a visual) :D

[whisper99]

I appreciate Daniel for those thick, long eyelashes he has and knows how to use with deadly precision.

*bat-bat-batting eyelashes* "But Jack...."

:D

[Dana_Jeanne]

I apprecaite Daniel for those long, slender fingers that oh-so-gently rub over the writing on the walls....dust off an artifact... hee hee

Dana Jeanne

[whisper99]

*ahem*

I appreciate Daniel for the way his nose crinkles in the sweetest way whenever he blesses us with that little boy smile of his.

:D

-Doing my part to move Danny back to the first page. :)

[GateGipsy]

**melts into a puddle**

oh that's lovely.

I appreciate Daniel for the way he raises and then creases his eyebrows whenever Jack tries to get a handle on whatever it is that he's talking about.

[Dana_Jeanne]

Oh, those eyebrows.
I appreciate his brilliant mind and the way he has of thinking outside the box.
Dana jeanne

[GateGipsy]

Ah go for the intellect - make the rest of look shallow :)

I do agree though. And I love the way that he's always willing to look at the broader picture even when it might not be comfortable to do so.

[whisper99]

I appreciate Daniel for not ever settling on taking the easy way out of a tough situation. :D

[Dana_Jeanne]

Ah go for the intellect - make the rest of look shallow :)

I do agree though. And I love the way that he's always willing to look at the broader picture even when it might not be comfortable to do so.

There is just something about his intelligence that I really like. It's funny, but to me it makes him more vulnerable. Is that silly?

I really miss seeing him use his brain in the show these days. Anybody tuning into the show for the first time after S6 would have no clue just how brilliant Daniel is :(

Dana Jeanne

[LMichelle]

I agree, Dana Jeanne. I miss Archeaologist Daniel. :(

What happened to him? :eek:

[whisper99]

I appreciate Daniel when he is angry or upset at someone over something, for the way he is only just _barely_ able to stop himself from stomping one foot down to emphasize his frustration.

:D

[Dana_Jeanne]

There was a bit in an episode (who's name I forget) that I thought was really cute, and also showed how Daniel can be pretty single-minded about things. It's in the breifing room, and he's arguing with Hammond about how the team should also be looking at culteral things. Hammond is trying to tell him that the President agrees, but Daniel keeps interrupting in order to get his point across. It's a cute Daniel scene and a lovely bit of acting by MS.

I can just see Daniel in his office, carefully plotting out all the points he needs to make in order to convince the general--so sure that he's going to have an uphill battle on his hands.

It's so.... Daniel.

Dana Jeanne

[blingaway]

There was a bit in an episode (who's name I forget) that I thought was really cute, and also showed how Daniel can be pretty single-minded about things. It's in the breifing room, and he's arguing with Hammond about how the team should also be looking at culteral things. Hammond is trying to tell him that the President agrees, but Daniel keeps interrupting in order to get his point across. It's a cute Daniel scene and a lovely bit of acting by MS.

I can just see Daniel in his office, carefully plotting out all the points he needs to make in order to convince the general--so sure that he's going to have an uphill battle on his hands.

It's so.... Daniel.

Dana Jeanne

I'm thinking it's Broca Divide...And yes the stammered 'Wh..wh..what? He agreed?!?' is so cute!

[Frostfox]

I'm thinking it's Broca Divide...And yes the stammered 'Wh..wh..what? He agreed?!?' is so cute!

Oh, yes, flummoxed Daniel is aways cute.
MS might be hotter now and Daniel might be much better at dealing with people, but I will always love the socialy inept geek who started with SG1 all those years ago.

[Scarym1]

Two scenes that I really like Daniel in is at the end of RED SKY. Just as they think the planet is doomed and the towns people are saying their prayers, Daniel joins in and says a prayer with them. Then sun comes back to normal. Jack and Sam think it maybe the Asgard but Daniel says something like maybe not. He is open to the idea that maybe something beyond them may have had a hand in saving the planet. I love that he still has that amazing sense of wonder.

[Dani347]

Oh, yes, flummoxed Daniel is aways cute.
MS might be hotter now and Daniel might be much better at dealing with people, but I will always love the socialy inept geek who started with SG1 all those years ago.


But, you know, that part of him hasn't disappeared completely. The episode where Rya'c (darn those apostrophes!) got married, all Jack did was "how's it going" and Daniel went into a complete detail on how everything was going. It was cute.

[GateGipsy]

There is just something about his intelligence that I really like. It's funny, but to me it makes him more vulnerable. Is that silly?

I really miss seeing him use his brain in the show these days. Anybody tuning into the show for the first time after S6 would have no clue just how brilliant Daniel is :(

Dana Jeanne

Ah yes, I agree. He really doesn't seem to have a heck of a lot to do. And with Full Alert

I was shouting at the screen when he beamed himself and kinsey out 'but now they'll be sure you're in league with the goa'uld' which I'm sure would definitely have occured to Daniel too. The old Daniel would have stood his ground a bit more I think. Of course, we knew later on that the russian guy was snaked, but Daniel wouldn't have known that. He'd have tried reason first.

[whisper99]

I appreciate the way Daniel, despite being heavily medicated and driven slowly insane by Machello's goau'ld killing device, still was able to put his team first in his thoughts and actions:

1) Concern that Jack was getting snaked (I wonder if that was left over concern for his inaction in the season premier with Hathor?)
2) Crying in front of his team and apologizing for being such a 'head case'
3) Running at Sam because he thought the Livris was coming after her
4) Concern for Teal'c after the 'bugs' went into his body.

He's such a sweet boy. It really makes me wonder since he was never adopted and presumably was shuffled from home to home, how he managed to turn out so well?

[blingaway]

He's such a sweet boy. It really makes me wonder since he was never adopted and presumably was shuffled from home to home, how he managed to turn out so well?

Sheer bloody-mindedness I think. He is stubborn and tenacious; somebody probably told him he'd never amount to much.

[GateGipsy]

I wish we knew more about his childhood. It is possible that he was in one foster home for a long period of time. But then it again, it is just as probable that he wasn't. Or maybe it wasn't a foster home at all. Perhaps Nick paid for his care, maybe in a boarding school. We don't have any information on how well off Nick was.

[whisper99]

I wish we knew more about his childhood. It is possible that he was in one foster home for a long period of time. But then it again, it is just as probable that he wasn't. Or maybe it wasn't a foster home at all. Perhaps Nick paid for his care, maybe in a boarding school. We don't have any information on how well off Nick was.

Hm...We know that Nick apolgized for not adopting DJ when he was 8 - his excuse was that he was traveling the world. He also is in this rather nice mental institution for the last 20 years and we know something like that costs $$. So...he must have money to afford not only the trips (could have been from grants) but for sure he had to have some $$$ to pay for his time in the hospital all those many years. I don't think he would have apologized to DJ for not adopting him if he had stuck him in some boarding school - more likely he just let DJ go into the system - because he could have adopted DJ and still kept him in a boarding school IMO.

[Daniel's_twin]

Poor Danny-boy. His life just does not get any easier, does it? :cool:

[whisper99]

Oooh...I just had a *waggling of the eyebrows* thought! Suppose Grandpa Nick had adopted DJ - he would probably gone crazy anyway (who knows, maybe sooner with the stress of taking care of DJ) and would have been locked up anyway. Soo....methinks DJ was pretty much screwed from the git-go.

[whisper99]

I appreciate Daniel for getting so very, very excited when he found out he could read really, really fast in Upgrades :)

[Dana_Jeanne]

I appreciate Daniel for getting so very, very excited when he found out he could read really, really fast in Upgrades :)

Wasn't that the neatest reaction? It was.... so Daniel! He wasn't into being stronger, but just the fact that he could read faster and learn more quickly. I think that's so sweet.

Dana Jeanne

[GateGipsy]

Oooh...I just had a *waggling of the eyebrows* thought! Suppose Grandpa Nick had adopted DJ - he would probably gone crazy anyway (who knows, maybe sooner with the stress of taking care of DJ) and would have been locked up anyway. Soo....methinks DJ was pretty much screwed from the git-go.
oh he wasn't going to get any breaks was he?

[whisper99]

oh he wasn't going to get any breaks was he?

Nope. He had (we would think) 8 relatively good years with his folks. Then 1 good year with his wife. The rest of it, probably sucked :)

In the RPG manual (I got it as an xmas gift from my DH :D ) it states that DJ was orphaned at 5 years old, then given up for adoption by Nick when he was 8. Sooo...in the RPG, his life sucked worse, cuz it's bad enough your parents die, but then your grandpa tosses you out 3 years later. Poor kid.

I wonder if that's cannon? I rewatched crystal skull and game keeper and really, there's nothing to say it couldn't have happened that way. Might be why DJ said the comments about Nick not being a very good grandfather.

[whisper99]

Wasn't that the neatest reaction? It was.... so Daniel! He wasn't into being stronger, but just the fact that he could read faster and learn more quickly. I think that's so sweet.

Dana Jeanne

I agree completely! In that scene, DJ reminded me of my teen nephew whenever he gets all excited about something (he's like 'I'm all mature now that I'm a teen - but he still gets all giddy like a kid at little things).

And of course that brawl in the bar was classic! Makes me wonder if DJ was making up for past transgressions? I don't remember tho...who threw the first punch?

[DJFavorite]

I agree completely! In that scene, DJ reminded me of my teen nephew whenever he gets all excited about something (he's like 'I'm all mature now that I'm a teen - but he still gets all giddy like a kid at little things).

And of course that brawl in the bar was classic! Makes me wonder if DJ was making up for past transgressions? I don't remember tho...who threw the first punch?

I don't think they showed it. All I remember is showing the outside of the restuarant and hearing the crashing inside.


*Off to check it out*

[Margaret]

Two scenes that I really like Daniel in is at the end of RED SKY. Just as they think the planet is doomed and the towns people are saying their prayers, Daniel joins in and says a prayer with them. Then sun comes back to normal. Jack and Sam think it maybe the Asgard but Daniel says something like maybe not. He is open to the idea that maybe something beyond them may have had a hand in saving the planet. I love that he still has that amazing sense of wonder.

I love this show for its ending -- they leave it open, so you can interpret it anyway you wish. (Personally, I think it's sweet (and very amusing) to imagine that there is some higher power who would do something like that for no better reason than because Daniel asked it. Maybe Oma was watching over him, even then.)

[DJFavorite]

I went back and watched Upgrades. They show Jack throwing one of the "bullies" but no punches where shown.(BTW, I'm working on caps of this episode. Soon to be enjoyed on the thunk thread. :D )

[whisper99]

I went back and watched Upgrades. They show Jack throwing one of the "bullies" but no punches where shown.(BTW, I'm working on caps of this episode. Soon to be enjoyed on the thunk thread. :D )

Heehee! So, our lovely Jack stands up to protect our sweet boy DJ. That's just too sweet :D

[Scarym1]

I appreciate Daniel for getting so very, very excited when he found out he could read really, really fast in Upgrades :)

I love that scene. It really shows what he values the most. Intelligent can be so sexy. :D

I also thought it was amusing that he was slightly annoyed at Jack because he got to read real fast first.

[Abodie]

I love Daniel's Character because he is the SG-!'s ambassador of good will. The SG-1 never know the reception they'll get when they step through the gate. Daniel is the first and foremost at saying, "Hello, we are peaceful travelers from Earth." His ability to communicate with other races has saved SG-1's butts more than a few times. Also he is very easy on the eyes.

[whisper99]

I just finished watching 'The devil you know' (I think that was the name) where the team has to drink the blood of sokar and they all have flashbacks. Well, I find it very interesting that Daniel flashes back to Jack - it broke my heart to see how he wouldn't really meet Jack's eyes at the begining when he said 'I thought you didn't believe me' about Share's kid.

And also, at the very end, when they are on the ship after being rescued, DJ is definatley having some kind of problem going on if you look at him, he's all rubbing his eyes and moving his hands around. Wonder if anyone has a good fic as to what was going on in his head at the time? :)

Oh! And in the episode before it (Jollinar's memories) I noticed how DJ was touching something on the ship and Jack catches him at it and DJ snatches his hand back. It happened so fast I almost missed it. It was very cute :) LOL

[Madeleine]

I've been meaning to post this for a couple of weeks, and never got round to it, but I found something vaguely relevant to this thread in the paper last month. It was an obituary in The Times of a chap who could speak and write in 44 different languages, including Arabic, Turkish, Hungarian, Cree, Samaritan, Basque, Navajo and Kiswahili.

He grew up bilingual (English and Gaelic) in Scotland, learned French, German and Latin at school, and while he was a schoolboy still he taught himself Spanish, Portugese, Dutch, Swedish and Danish from books he found at the Inverness Fish Market.

At University he studied several more languages and became Assistant Librarian at the School of Slavonic & Eastern European Studies. During the War his skills were used in Radio work. Afterwards he joined the BBC World Service. Throughout his adult life he had a sideline in translating academic works.

He had talents in other directions too. He played the piano and could identify performers by their style just by hearing a few bars on the radio. He read and understood Einstein (and that's quite something - I have a maths degree and I find most of Einstein pretty challenging). and he was an expert on tennis and on railway engines.

Anyway, I've never doubted that Daniel's skills, amazing though they are, are realistic. But it seems that they are not only realistic, but pretty paltry compared to what is possible with a bit of talent and application :p

It's official - 23 is *not* more languages than anyone could possibly know :D

[whisper99]

I've been meaning to post this for a couple of weeks, and never got round to it, but I found something vaguely relevant to this thread in the paper last month. It was an obituary in The Times of a chap who could speak and write in 44 different languages, including Arabic, Turkish, Hungarian, Cree, Samaritan, Basque, Navajo and Kiswahili.

He grew up bilingual (English and Gaelic) in Scotland, learned French, German and Latin at school, and while he was a schoolboy still he taught himself Spanish, Portugese, Dutch, Swedish and Danish from books he found at the Inverness Fish Market.

At University he studied several more languages and became Assistant Librarian at the School of Slavonic & Eastern European Studies. During the War his skills were used in Radio work. Afterwards he joined the BBC World Service. Throughout his adult life he had a sideline in translating academic works.

He had talents in other directions too. He played the piano and could identify performers by their style just by hearing a few bars on the radio. He read and understood Einstein (and that's quite something - I have a maths degree and I find most of Einstein pretty challenging). and he was an expert on tennis and on railway engines.

Anyway, I've never doubted that Daniel's skills, amazing though they are, are realistic. But it seems that they are not only realistic, but pretty paltry compared to what is possible with a bit of talent and application :p

It's official - 23 is *not* more languages than anyone could possibly know :D

Thanks so much for sharing! This is great to know :)

[Abodie]

I think Daniel does fine with the languages he does know. Also he uses hand gestures (charades) and his kind tone of voice gets other races to trust him. Have you all voted for Michael Shanks on the poll? If not he could use your vote.

[whisper99]

I think Daniel does fine with the languages he does know. Also he uses hand gestures (charades) and his kind tone of voice gets other races to trust him. Have you all voted for Michael Shanks on the poll? If not he could use your vote.

Which poll?

[Abodie]

The poll on this site asking who is your favorite SG-1 character. Right now there is a difference in 4 votes between Jack and Daniel.

[GaterGina71]

Hi gang. The things that I love/appreciate about Daniel is he can go from one end of the spectrum to the other. His character has matured abit but they still show the things that make him who he is.

His strength to persevere, but his weakness for those who are oppressed. His passion for what he does, but his selflessness to others. He has matured through his trials, but is aware of his own weaknesses. His ability to come from nowhere to go everywhere. From the one who was laughed at (by his archeology peers)to the one who is doing the laughing now.

That's a few, but I am sure you get what I mean. Imo, he is the perfect example of what humanity should be.

[Iskandra]

Nope. He had (we would think) 8 relatively good years with his folks. Then 1 good year with his wife. The rest of it, probably sucked :)

In the RPG manual (I got it as an xmas gift from my DH :D ) it states that DJ was orphaned at 5 years old, then given up for adoption by Nick when he was 8. Sooo...in the RPG, his life sucked worse, cuz it's bad enough your parents die, but then your grandpa tosses you out 3 years later. Poor kid.

I wonder if that's cannon? I rewatched crystal skull and game keeper and really, there's nothing to say it couldn't have happened that way. Might be why DJ said the comments about Nick not being a very good grandfather.
Hi, AFAIK, the rpg company has an agreement basically making it canon what they write, unless later epsiodes say something different...the books do have lovely pictures beside the rules stuff.

Apart from that, the first thing that ever made me appreciate Daniel was his geekiness. ;) Being a geek myself, I loved him from the first minute way back in the film.... :)

[whisper99]

Hi, AFAIK, the rpg company has an agreement basically making it canon what they write, unless later epsiodes say something different...the books do have lovely pictures beside the rules stuff.

Apart from that, the first thing that ever made me appreciate Daniel was his geekiness. ;) Being a geek myself, I loved him from the first minute way back in the film.... :)

That's good to know...egads...Poor Daniel!!!

[whisper99]

Oh nono, can't have this on page 5. That's terrible!

What do you think Daniel's hobbies are?

Reading
Surfing the internet
Watching movies with Sam
Playing the piano
Going garage-sailing/antiquing on the weekends (probably with Sam) to collect more stuff to put on his walls (swords, masks, etc)

[Dana_Jeanne]

Oh! And in the episode before it (Jollinar's memories) I noticed how DJ was touching something on the ship and Jack catches him at it and DJ snatches his hand back. It happened so fast I almost missed it. It was very cute :) LOL

gee, I wonder if this is canon enough for Jack always telling Daniel "DON'T TOUCH!"

I bet Daniel touches without even thinking about it. His fingers are drawn to an artifact, you know?

Deej

[Madeleine]

Sam got to be the one who says "don't touch" in IGtbK :)

[whisper99]

gee, I wonder if this is canon enough for Jack always telling Daniel "DON'T TOUCH!"

I bet Daniel touches without even thinking about it. His fingers are drawn to an artifact, you know?

Deej

Hey, it was right there on the screen. That makes it cannon :) It makes me want to rewatch all those episodes just to take in what is going on in the background. There's just so much to see! :)

[Daniel's_twin]

One thing that I definitely liked about Daniel in Prometheus Unbound he kept his eyes closed while putting Claudia in the Prometheus uniform. Yes, I do think he did keep his eyes closed. :cool: