Daniel Jackson Discussion and Appreciation

[JackandSamAddict]

Me too! And I have a particular scene I'd like to discuss regarding dear Daniel, but I'll wait until more people have seen it.

*Ponders what it could be* :D

[Sprinkles]

I posted this on another thread and thought I would repost here to see if anyone agrees/disagrees or thinks I'm just way , way off :)


In respect ot Daniel; there are a few reasons why I think his change in attitude is beleivable and realistic.

Daniel at the beginning of season 9 was preparing to leave for Atlantis. It was shown and he stated so himself that he had wanted to go for a long time and had been prevented. He had been searching for this place for severn years, he helped find it and in Rising Jack told him 'No' they needed him were he was to fight the Goa'uld and Replicators. With Daniels help they had pretty much defeated the major enemies of the Milky Way (with tramatic consequences for Daniel -something I wished they had explored more but thats for another discussion). Now it was his time, I think he was desparate to get there. When Vala arrived on the base hours before he was due to set off he was yet again prevented from leaving, literally 'physically' prevented. (That's got to kick balls right?) His frustration showed and maybe it didn't seemed quite right because this time it was for himself and not for the galactic good as we have seen in the past?

Vala - Meeting Vala in PU and discovering she was an ex-Goa'uld and also getting first hand experience of her manipulative nature (I love the Vala character but won't go into that here) How would this information have affected Daniel? How could comparisons not be made by him between Vala and his wife, who he had failed to save? I wonder how many time he would have wondered what would have happened if he had gotten Sha're back, how would she have changed? He had a consuming need to find and save her from a fate he had blamed on himself when he hadn't proctected her from it. A long time had passed from her death and Daniel had grown to accept that (with the help of Oma) he had accepted he had done all he could but he wouldn't be Daniel if he din't want to help her.... but then and how could he not have learned from the mistakes of the past and be nieve enough to let her manipuate him to the detriment of his friends? Again becuase of this in PU and in seasons 9 & 10 he's frustrated and conflicted and it shows. Maybe he would have acted differently in the past (prehaps he would have internalised his feelings more) but didn't we need to see that conflict? maybe it's a matter of opinion but I'm glad we did. I only wish we had an episode were this conflict was explored for the sake of itself but Stargate dosn't tend to do that and there were two brand new characters to introduce and explore. Sometimes it felt like we were left to fill in the gaps ourselves and thats understandable to an extent but it includes alot of history.

Finally (honest :D) and if your still reading :P He discovered the Ori or rather they discovered the existance of the Milkey Way through him. How would this have afftected him? His disire to go to Atlantis no longer matters (although it's still there) and he now again has a very personal investment in doing everything he can... use everything he knows to defeat them as quickly as possible. He's learnt a great deal over the years, including things from his friends Jack, Teal'c and Sam. As Jenks put very well this would include knowing that a lesser evil is sometimes is necessary to save billions of lives. His attitude? I didn't notice Daniel spending any personal time for himself, it was shown that he seemed to spend every waking hour trying to find a way to fight this enemy, he's still Daniel but one who has put all his personal desires aside to do what he can (and Vala and his team is there to remind him to be human ;)).

I hope we get to see Daniel post Ori, looking forward to seeing what Continuum will bring. :D

I would elaberate more on that (maybe I will later ;)) but I'm getting brain freeze :)

[Callista]

I agree totally that Daniel had every reason to behave differently from early Daniel. To add to what you said, Sprinkles, he's had huge changes in his life (most of them bad) and he's ten years older.

He's really accepted his responsibility for one thing, which is a sign of maturity. Remember him in the movie b.s.ing his way onto the original team? He didn't have a clue how to get them back. And then remember him in Children of the Gods standing at the DHD flipping through his note-book trying to find the address to dial back home? Can you imagine if he were still acting like that 10 years later?

And, you're right, he's got to be extremely frustrated. After all he's done for Earth, he deserves to be allowed to do his scientist/explorer thing. Imagine any other scientist not being allowed to study the very thing they discovered. Most of them would throw a fit! And rightly so! OK, Einstein, thanks for the equation....you just go on back to your room and we'll take it from here.

And I'm not at all surprised that he would be frustrated with Vala (and Jack too, actually). She's the one who prevented him from reaching his goal twice. I think I'd be a bit bitter as well. And then to feel the conflicting urge to help her because she's had an experience similar to his beloved wife's. And Jack keeps Daniel from going and then he turns around and leaves himself.

A person can only take so much. And Daniel was never a saint to begin with. He was and is a human being who wants to do the right thing and probably wouldn't mind a little bit of a reward for doing the right thing for all these years despite immense personal sacrifices. Sam and Jack have both gotten medals and promotions. Teal'c at least gets the obvious respect and applause of his own people (well, until the council goes awry). We've never seen Daniel get so much as a "Thank You" (at least as far as I can recall).

[discodiva]

I posted this on another thread and thought I would repost here to see if anyone agrees/disagrees or thinks I'm just way , way off :)


*applauds*.......:D :D :D


Love, love, LOVE the way you've captured the character's progression, maturation, call it what you will as long as it's not another long rant about how Daniel's changed beyond recognition - I get so sick of this on this forum....:mad:.....you've said it perfectly and I for one am getting so tired of the imho "easy cop out" and blaming of Daniel for many things that fans haven't agreed with in Seasons 9 and 10.....I might be being a tad unfair I guess but I have to be honest when I've ventured into some threads where, shall we say, people are less than pleased with the latter years of Stargate, Daniel's "change" has been one of the easiest reasons to grab onto and use.....:rolleyes: ;)


I've said all I want to say on how I think Daniel has coped with the dreadful experiences he's had, and the atrocities he's seen and don't see why I have to defend him any more, but it's very nice to read something like this from a fellow fan and I hope that wherever else you posted this, a few people "got the message".....:P


I'm really looking forward to seeing how Daniel copes with, what will be I'm assuming, the trials and tribulations he's going to experience in Continuum....even without spoilers it's pretty much a given there should be oodles of "Danny Angst" won't there?.....:danielanime08:


Deeds xx

[MerryK]

I posted this on another thread and thought I would repost here to see if anyone agrees/disagrees or thinks I'm just way , way off :)

Good for you! I'm proud of Stargate for showing how experiences drastically change a person, though not getting rid of their core (for Daniel, his sensitivity to people and love of knowledge). Most shows put their characters through the wringer and only show small changes (I think Aeryn on Farscape might be the exception), but at least we saw reality with Daniel.

And he's still lovable to Daniel fans, even if he has changed! I love how Daniel had a backbone even when he was his most uncomfortable and geeky in the early seasons...it's nice to see that being around Jack has gotten him to show that backbone in a much less geeky way. It's just too bad that people can't see him without the geekiness—but that's not who Daniel really is.

[Sprinkles]

I agree totally that Daniel had every reason to behave differently from early Daniel. To add to what you said, Sprinkles, he's had huge changes in his life (most of them bad) and he's ten years older.

He's really accepted his responsibility for one thing, which is a sign of maturity. Remember him in the movie b.s.ing his way onto the original team? He didn't have a clue how to get them back. And then remember him in Children of the Gods standing at the DHD flipping through his note-book trying to find the address to dial back home? Can you imagine if he were still acting like that 10 years later?

And, you're right, he's got to be extremely frustrated. After all he's done for Earth, he deserves to be allowed to do his scientist/explorer thing. Imagine any other scientist not being allowed to study the very thing they discovered. Most of them would throw a fit! And rightly so! OK, Einstein, thanks for the equation....you just go on back to your room and we'll take it from here.

And I'm not at all surprised that he would be frustrated with Vala (and Jack too, actually). She's the one who prevented him from reaching his goal twice. I think I'd be a bit bitter as well. And then to feel the conflicting urge to help her because she's had an experience similar to his beloved wife's. And Jack keeps Daniel from going and then he turns around and leaves himself.A person can only take so much. And Daniel was never a saint to begin with. He was and is a human being who wants to do the right thing and probably wouldn't mind a little bit of a reward for doing the right thing for all these years despite immense personal sacrifices. Sam and Jack have both gotten medals and promotions. Teal'c at least gets the obvious respect and applause of his own people (well, until the council goes awry). We've never seen Daniel get so much as a "Thank You" (at least as far as I can recall).

Hey Callista, thanks for your response :)

I don't know why they are always so light on showing praise for Daniel skills and contributions. I remember JM answering a question on the solutions forum years ago now where when asked why Daniel hasn't received a medal and his answer was Daniel dosn't care about that, he has the love of his team :S Well yes he dose I remember few instances where the team has (Jack in particular) shown appreciation and affection for Daniel (pre season 4 mostly and not related to his going missing/being injured etc) i.e. the line 'I never ceased to be amazed by all your talents' (after Daniel delivered the baby in... erm ...eek can't remember the episode title :o) and the episode Prisoners when Jack removed Daniels glasses (that was cute) and more I can think of and I'm sure you guys can name :). But of course then there are alot of instances when all the team has given and received apprecation and affection for each other.

Daniel has always continued to contribute a great deal to the sucess of missions through out the 10 years on the show and the only nod to his skills in particular I can think of was when in 'The Scourge' the Chinese foreign ambassador listed his skills and asked him if he would have joined them if they had the Stargate....but from the administration he works for? eerm...none ...nada...zilch (that I can think of).

I'm alittle concerned about how he will be dealt with in his upcoming visit to Atlantis... If you read the Gate world spoilers for this episode:

"McKay finds it very frustrating, because McKay feels like he's followed up any leads that are promising. So McKay is kind of angry -- he thinks it's someone coming over to check his work, basically, and is not the happiest that Daniel is coming to Atlantis. Also McKay is very territorial. He likes being the 'head Ancient guy.'" http://www.gateworld.net/news/2008/04/mid-season_cliffhanger_is_first_.shtml

I mean I love Rodney and can understand fans concerns about him looking a fool...but in even greater measure I don't want Daniels contributions to be over shadowed and minimalised either. I'm not going to let myself worry to much before the episode airs of course and am very excited about but also alittle be wary to.

Oh Callista, a few posts back you mentioned a particular scene in AoT that you were going to share when it had aired? (if you remember it! lol) :D

[Sprinkles]

*applauds*.......:D :D :D


Love, love, LOVE the way you've captured the character's progression, maturation, call it what you will as long as it's not another long rant about how Daniel's changed beyond recognition - I get so sick of this on this forum....:mad:.....you've said it perfectly and I for one am getting so tired of the imho "easy cop out" and blaming of Daniel for many things that fans haven't agreed with in Seasons 9 and 10.....I might be being a tad unfair I guess but I have to be honest when I've ventured into some threads where, shall we say, people are less than pleased with the latter years of Stargate, Daniel's "change" has been one of the easiest reasons to grab onto and use.....:rolleyes: ;)


I've said all I want to say on how I think Daniel has coped with the dreadful experiences he's had, and the atrocities he's seen and don't see why I have to defend him any more, but it's very nice to read something like this from a fellow fan and I hope that wherever else you posted this, a few people "got the message".....:P


I'm really looking forward to seeing how Daniel copes with, what will be I'm assuming, the trials and tribulations he's going to experience in Continuum....even without spoilers it's pretty much a given there should be oodles of "Danny Angst" won't there?.....:danielanime08:


Deeds xx

Thank you Deeds :D

Yes when reading the boards latley I can truley empathise with 'Frustration' being a prominant emotion :P I would be more understanding but it's getting a little tiring. Especially when unkind comments are directed at MS and his motivations :S :( I have read many reports of cons that Michael Shanks has attended (although I think your a con guru and could say much better :)) but MS has said over and over again how much he cares about how Daniel is portrayed (inso many words) and for goodness sake why wouldn't he! I'm glad I got to meet him that one time he was a lovely chap. :)

Continuum....yep that is gonna be interesting :D :D

[Sprinkles]

Good for you! I'm proud of Stargate for showing how experiences drastically change a person, though not getting rid of their core (for Daniel, his sensitivity to people and love of knowledge). Most shows put their characters through the wringer and only show small changes (I think Aeryn on Farscape might be the exception), but at least we saw reality with Daniel.

And he's still lovable to Daniel fans, even if he has changed! I love how Daniel had a backbone even when he was his most uncomfortable and geeky in the early seasons...it's nice to see that being around Jack has gotten him to show that backbone in a much less geeky way. It's just too bad that people can't see him without the geekiness—but that's not who Daniel really is.

Hey MerryK,

I read your comments in the other thread and you made some excellent points! If we didn't have some characters that showed a emotional progression (good and bad) through out the years this show wouldn't be half as interesting to me :o It's an important thing to have good stories but it's the characters that get us invested imo and if they were all the same or just one dimentional steriotypes? ....

Your right Daniel is still Daniel, I wonder if he hadn't shown he had been affected by his experiences people would probably complain about that too :S :o

[discodiva]

Thank you Deeds :D

Yes when reading the boards latley I can truley empathise with 'Frustration' being a prominant emotion :P I would be more understanding but it's getting a little tiring. Especially when unkind comments are directed at MS and his motivations :S :( I have read many reports of cons that Michael Shanks has attended (although I think your a con guru and could say much better :)) but MS has said over and over again how much he cares about how Daniel is portrayed (inso many words) and for goodness sake why wouldn't he! I'm glad I got to meet him that one time he was a lovely chap. :)

Continuum....yep that is gonna be interesting :D :D


Well, I can only speak personally, but from my meetings with Michael Shanks, I haven't come across an actor more personally committed to holding 100% true to the character he plays, i.e. Daniel Jackson - good and bad points included - he's definitely still passionate about Daniel that I CAN tell you...:daniel:......In Vancouver this year he was very excited about appearing in Atlantis and the role that Daniel might be playing (although I've already half expected that Daniel might well be "sacrificed at the altar of Rodney" for the Atlantis fans...:mckay:).....he just doesn't seem the type of guy that would desert a character at the drop of a hat - after all haven't we heard from his fellow actors about his copious notes scrawled all over his script and that he analyses every performance he watches....not the sort of thing from someone who has no commitment to his character imho....;)


As for supporting Daniel on here - well I'm finding it harder and harder these days - hence my gentle withdrawal from blanket participation on Gateworld....I'm not blind to Daniel's faults, neither am I so blinded in my adoration that he can do absolutely NO wrong at all, and to the detriment and dissing of his fellow characters (as I've seen elsewhere on the net..:()...however I find it easier these days to "enjoy" Daniel away from the forums and in the relative peace and quiet of Live Journal....;)


He will always be the most complex character to me, he WAS the man who made the Stargate happen in the very first instant, he and Jack WERE the main team who went forth and discovered the first new world of Abydos and he will ALWAYS be the man that kept me interested.....I won't change that - but I just may not be celebrating that fact here very often.....:P


Deeds xx

[Frostfox]

As for supporting Daniel on here - well I'm finding it harder and harder these days - hence my gentle withdrawal from blanket participation on Gateworld....I'm not blind to Daniel's faults, neither am I so blinded in my adoration that he can do absolutely NO wrong at all, and to the detriment and dissing of his fellow characters (as I've seen elsewhere on the net..:()...however I find it easier these days to "enjoy" Daniel away from the forums and in the relative peace and quiet of Live Journal....;)


He will always be the most complex character to me, he WAS the man who made the Stargate happen in the very first instant, he and Jack WERE the main team who went forth and discovered the first new world of Abydos and he will ALWAYS be the man that kept me interested.....I won't change that - but I just may not be celebrating that fact here very often.....:P


Deeds xx

Preach it sister.

FF :nox:

[iolanda]

Great discussion! Since Daniel and Rodney are my favourite characters on both shows I hope, that neither Daniel nor Rodney will be "sacrificed" on the altar of the other. Like it was a little bit with Rodney in "Pegasus Project". Michael Shanks and David Hewlett are both outstanding actors, they should both keep the chance to stay true to their character.

I met Michael last week here in Germany on the FedCon and he was asked about him leaving the show and he clearly said, that he quit because he saw no development. And that changed after RDA told that he wanted his role reduced. And he came back and they allowed his character to evolve.

To be honest: I love the changes in his character. Its totally realistic, that people change. And that people get "harder" when they are confronted with combat for years.

Those constant changes is what I love about Stargate and Atlantis. They are more present in Atlantis and the constant complains here in this board make it difficult for me to stay in a lot of threads.

TBH - dozens of Daniel pictures in the other thread aren't helpful, either. Maybe we should keep this thread awaken a little bit. My conreports from the last weekend are already 10 pages or so behind.

[Frostfox]

TBH - dozens of Daniel pictures in the other thread aren't helpful, either. Maybe we should keep this thread awaken a little bit. My conreports from the last weekend are already 10 pages or so behind.

That's a good idea, can you post them here too? The photos on the Thunk thread are exactly on topic; that's what the thread is for, drooling over MS/Daniel. But sometimes it's nice to discuss MS/Daniel too.

Though I go on holiday in a couple of hours, to Wales for the week, so I won't be around until next Saturday.

FF :nox:

[madaboutdanny]

Thanks for all your comments on this page :) You have express in words all that I can't because my bad english :) And after 2 years here I feel myself a little tired to read how Daniel is changed, in bad of course....almost every discussion of every season 9 and 10 eps ends allways bashing Daniel for his changes and Vala for that...Even the TAoT discussion ends the same way. I think that this forum is heavy on Jack -no problem to me- and Jack/Sam, everything that have them in is beautifull and wonderfull and amazing and whatever....Most of them, simply, don't like Sg1 without Jack and consequentely without Jack/Sam, and it's fine for me! I watch Sg1 for Daniel and if he'll left I think I won't watch the show anymore, but I don't understand why they watch the show if they don't like it anymore...it's a waste of time! In season 10 Daniel missed 4 eps and in Tallion, Bounty, Family Ties blink your eyes and you'll miss him, in Flesh and Blood he appears after almost 20 minutes, in Memento Mori he is just at the beginning and the end...Just The Quest II and The Shroud are Daniel eps, still they blame him because season ten is ALL about him and therefore Vala....Simply I don't understand the Anti Thread! If I don't like a show, a character I don't want to waste my time to speaks of them....In the end, I love Daniel and I love him much more because, logically, he's changed through the years and to me is a believable characters just for that! No one remains the same after 10 rough years! Sorry for my long post :o
I've spent 20 minutes to write this post, so, please, be nice if my english is not so well ;)

[madaboutdanny]

Great discussion! Since Daniel and Rodney are my favourite characters on both shows I hope, that neither Daniel nor Rodney will be "sacrificed" on the altar of the other. Like it was a little bit with Rodney in "Pegasus Project". Michael Shanks and David Hewlett are both outstanding actors, they should both keep the chance to stay true to their character.

I met Michael last week here in Germany on the FedCon and he was asked about him leaving the show and he clearly said, that he quit because he saw no development. And that changed after RDA told that he wanted his role reduced. And he came back and they allowed his character to evolve.

To be honest: I love the changes in his character. Its totally realistic, that people change. And that people get "harder" when they are confronted with combat for years.

Those constant changes is what I love about Stargate and Atlantis. They are more present in Atlantis and the constant complains here in this board make it difficult for me to stay in a lot of threads.

TBH - dozens of Daniel pictures in the other thread aren't helpful, either. Maybe we should keep this thread awaken a little bit. My conreports from the last weekend are already 10 pages or so behind.
Daniel and Rodney are my 2 favs too! Even if I don't watch Atlantis so much :o

[Frostfox]

Thanks for all your comments on this page :) You have express in words all that I can't because my bad english :) And after 2 years here I feel myself a little tired to read how Daniel is changed, in bad of course....almost every discussion of every season 9 and 10 eps ends allways bashing Daniel for his changes and Vala for that...Even the TAoT discussion ends the same way. I think that this forum is heavy on Jack -no problem to me- and Jack/Sam, everything that have them in is beautifull and wonderfull and amazing and whatever....Most of them, simply, don't like Sg1 without Jack and consequentely without Jack/Sam, and it's fine for me! I watch Sg1 for Daniel and if he'll left I think I won't watch the show anymore, but I don't understand why they watch the show if they don't like it anymore...it's a waste of time! In season 10 Daniel missed 4 eps and in Tallion, Bounty, Family Ties blink your eyes and you'll miss him, in Flesh and Blood he appears after almost 20 minutes, in Company of Thieves he is just at the beginning and the end...Just The Quest II and The Shroud are Daniel eps, still they blame him because season ten is ALL about him and therefore Vala....Simply I don't understand the Anti Thread! If I don't like a show, a character I don't want to waste my time to speaks of them....In the end, I love Daniel and I love him much more because, logically, he's changed through the years and to me is a believable characters just for that! No one remains the same after 10 rough years! Sorry for my long post :o
I've spent 20 minutes to write this post, so, please, be nice if my english is not so well ;)

Your English is absolutely fine and I totally understand and agree with what you are saying. :)

FF :nox:

[madaboutdanny]

ThanKs Frostfox :)There are new Continuum stills :)

http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=8128451&postcount=710

I hope we'll see a little of Jack/Daniel....

[JessM]

*shyly steps in* I'm not sure how welcome I still am on this thread, but I'll try not to step on any toes in here :o

There has been some nice discussion. I'm looking forward to seeing Daniel on Atlantis and interacting with Rodney. :)

I agree that after everything Daniel has been through over the years, some changes in his outlook/personality are expected. I do have a few issues with some of them, as I guess I've mentioned dozens of times here. :o

I personally don't really see a comparison between Sha're and Vala, maybe very very slightly in some instances, but not a very direct one. But this isn't the D/V thread (or the anti-D/V thread I suppose) so I won't go any further on that.

The thing that's bothered me about Daniel is that he doesn't seem to care for his friends anymore. How often have we seen him give care/concern for Teal'c and Sam the last 2 seasons? Very seldom, if at all. All I can think of is Talion in Teal'c's case (but that wasn't very much at all), and Morpheus in Sam's case.

I know everyone tries to tell me that just because they don't show it on screen, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. But if we can take bits and pieces of how Daniel interacts with others, can't we extend that to off screen and say "well, it only proves that he doesn't get along with them as well as he used to" (and possibly finds them totally expendable)? For instance, the way he didn't seem to care about what happened to Sam in Company of Thieves. Can't we assume that it means off screen he no longer cares about her, even as a friend?

Is it easy to have faith that such a thing still exists if you haven't seen it? I guess the Jack/Daniel fans have operated this way and I applaud you, but the thing is, Jack has been off of the show (with the exception of Shroud), Teal'c and Sam were still on it with Daniel. And even then there was nothing.

Sorry, I'm just feeling very negative today. :( I try to have faith but sometimes it's really hard and it makes me miss the earlier seasons when we were able to SEE Daniel act like a friend towards everyone. And I really don't hold out any hope for Continuum either.

</dons flame retardant suit>

[Dankriss]

Thanks for all your comments on this page :) You have express in words all that I can't because my bad english :) And after 2 years here I feel myself a little tired to read how Daniel is changed, in bad of course....almost every discussion of every season 9 and 10 eps ends allways bashing Daniel for his changes and Vala for that...Even the TAoT discussion ends the same way. I think that this forum is heavy on Jack -no problem to me- and Jack/Sam, everything that have them in is beautifull and wonderfull and amazing and whatever....Most of them, simply, don't like Sg1 without Jack and consequentely without Jack/Sam, and it's fine for me! I watch Sg1 for Daniel and if he'll left I think I won't watch the show anymore, but I don't understand why they watch the show if they don't like it anymore...it's a waste of time! In season 10 Daniel missed 4 eps and in Tallion, Bounty, Family Ties blink your eyes and you'll miss him, in Flesh and Blood he appears after almost 20 minutes, in Company of Thieves he is just at the beginning and the end...Just The Quest II and The Shroud are Daniel eps, still they blame him because season ten is ALL about him and therefore Vala....Simply I don't understand the Anti Thread! If I don't like a show, a character I don't want to waste my time to speaks of them....In the end, I love Daniel and I love him much more because, logically, he's changed through the years and to me is a believable characters just for that! No one remains the same after 10 rough years! Sorry for my long post :o
I've spent 20 minutes to write this post, so, please, be nice if my english is not so well ;)


Well your english is better than my Italian...I think I know one would in Italian..:o...and yep I totally agree with every word there...although I have not read the anti Daniel stuff from the sounds of things they just don't get the show...it is about a group of people not just one person...I personally love Daniel the best because he did grow with the show and also Michael is such a brillant actor that he can show him growing as well..does that make sense..:S...I love the interplay between all of the characters but Daniel just stands out more for me...ok hope this makes sense...very bad at this sort of thing...:o

[madaboutdanny]

This is for Jess. Jess is always been so! Do you remember Sam in Meridian in the briefing room scene? And in Heroes? No one cares about Daniel after Janet death, they show us just the shippy moments between Jack and Sam, and have we seen Cassie? No! I think that the authors don't care about this kind of stuff. After The Quest p.II no one seems to worry about Daniel, not even Vala! I blame the authors for that, but for me is allways been so, since season one....


Well your english is better than my Italian...I think I know one would in Italian..:o...and yep I totally agree with every word there...although I have not read the anti Daniel stuff from the sounds of things they just don't get the show...it is about a group of people not just one person...I personally love Daniel the best because he did grow with the show and also Michael is such a brillant actor that he can show him growing as well..does that make sense..:S...I love the interplay between all of the characters but Daniel just stands out more for me...ok hope this makes sense...very bad at this sort of thing...:o

Hi Kriss :)

[JessM]

Hey Mad... yes, I do remember some of those scenes. I thought it was sad that the writers dropped the ball with them. I would have done Heroes a bit differently myself. I was sad that we didn't even see Teal'c comforting Daniel about Janet's death. We only saw that Bregman guy talking to him.

It is a shame that we have to play "fill in the blanks" a lot thanks to the writers. I've been seeing it more and more, mostly since Season 7 (maybe even Season 6). I think it just got worse. I suppose there is no going back to the old days of the show when it was done much better. Remember FIAD when we got to see everyone concerned about Daniel? Jack, Sam, Teal'c....? That episode was done so well, IMHO.

I suppose I tend to focus on the negative too much. Sorry about that, I'll shut up now. :o

[Dankriss]

This is for Jess. Jess is always been so! Do you remember Sam in Meridian in the briefing room scene? And in Heroes? No one cares about Daniel after Janet death, they show us just the shippy moments between Jack and Sam, and have we seen Cassie? No! I think that the authors don't care about this kind of stuff. After The Quest p.II no one seems to worry about Daniel, not even Vala! I blame the authors for that, but for me is allways been so, since season one....


Hi Kriss :)


Hi Mad!
Found this thread this morning...so will probably lurk a little bit longer then put my views in...:)

[Suebsg9]

Great discussion! Since Daniel and Rodney are my favourite characters on both shows I hope, that neither Daniel nor Rodney will be "sacrificed" on the altar of the other. Like it was a little bit with Rodney in "Pegasus Project". Michael Shanks and David Hewlett are both outstanding actors, they should both keep the chance to stay true to their character.

I met Michael last week here in Germany on the FedCon and he was asked about him leaving the show and he clearly said, that he quit because he saw no development. And that changed after RDA told that he wanted his role reduced. And he came back and they allowed his character to evolve.

To be honest: I love the changes in his character. Its totally realistic, that people change. And that people get "harder" when they are confronted with combat for years.

Those constant changes is what I love about Stargate and Atlantis. They are more present in Atlantis and the constant complains here in this board make it difficult for me to stay in a lot of threads.

TBH - dozens of Daniel pictures in the other thread aren't helpful, either. Maybe we should keep this thread awaken a little bit. My conreports from the last weekend are already 10 pages or so behind.


Can I say for the record I am glad there are ways that they show how Daniel has grown through the seasons which was nice and I never mind the changes in Daniel. Alot of people think in a bad way but for me its like Jack has rubbed off on him and I have always enjoyed the team and how you can see how each team member has helped in Daniels growth and am a big fan and was glad they finally put Daniel and Tealc scenes together. I will join and lurk in discussions and loved AOT and so looking forward to Continuum. Like I said will be a jumping in and out of discussion person :)

[MerryK]

This is for Jess. Jess is always been so! Do you remember Sam in Meridian in the briefing room scene? And in Heroes? No one cares about Daniel after Janet death, they show us just the shippy moments between Jack and Sam, and have we seen Cassie? No! I think that the authors don't care about this kind of stuff. After The Quest p.II no one seems to worry about Daniel, not even Vala! I blame the authors for that, but for me is allways been so, since season one....

I am pretty sure that TPTB do not have total freedom over what they put in each episode. I'm positive that the network would not tolerate lots of character time in every episode...they want the story to continue, and a few remarks are okay, but anything beyond that is taboo. That is the impression I have gotten from interviews with writers/producers. With a limited amount of character screen time, they can't show every relationship, and ship is incredibly popular...hence the ship. :(

I do think that sometimes it's realistic not to see worry for a character on screen, because when they are it's because they have a job to do and are being professionals. We don't see them go home each night, and maybe cry into their pillow because they think Daniel might be gone for good this time.

Also, I think it's funny that Sam fans bemoaned how little time she got in Seasons 9 and 10, while the same was true for Daniel, and they were the characters most likely to leave for a couple episodes per season in the earlier seasons as well. Remember the times when Sam would be off the mission because she was working at Area 51? Or all the times when Daniel joined another SG team for archaeology stuff? It's nothing new... In fact, I think we've seen less Daniel overall, but more of his scenes are Daniel-centric rather than him being the wallpaper behind RDA. (Same with Sam, IMO.)

[discodiva]

Do you remember Sam in Meridian in the briefing room scene? And in Heroes? No one cares about Daniel after Janet death, they show us just the shippy moments between Jack and Sam, and have we seen Cassie? No! I think that the authors don't care about this kind of stuff. After The Quest p.II no one seems to worry about Daniel, not even Vala! I blame the authors for that, but for me is allways been so, since season one....


EXACTLY!! ....things haven't changed that much - I'd bet a fair old percentage it's OUR interpretation of things that have - or more importantly what we'd like to change to suit our own desires in the fandom.....We can't help it as fans, it's our nature to get involved in a particular way and although we may not realise it, our perceptions can change, even if the characters and writing hasn't that much.....I'm going to start watching right from the beginning with a very cool, calm, non-biased opinion of S1 Daniel right through - I'll let you know how I get on - but I bet I'll see many of the same things in him during the earlier seasons as the supposed "non-Daniel/not so well liked" characteristics that we seem to be always hearing about these days......:S

Well I'm still focussing on the positive side of Daniel's character......of all the SG-1 team that I'd want to have around me in a time of crisis or for support I'd go for him every time....:daniel: .....And for me at least, he's got a damn sight more good points to appreciate than many other characters in the SG-1/SGA fandom imho....;)


I'm still very tired and cranky with jet lag and just woken up from a nap so that's all I'm going to say at the moment.....:o


Deeds xx

[Callista]

<snip>
Oh Callista, a few posts back you mentioned a particular scene in AoT that you were going to share when it had aired? (if you remember it! lol) :D

I remember the scene I was talking about, but I'm going to have to go back and watch it again to see what I wanted to say about it.

I think I'm getting old! :P

As far as the not seeing Daniel being there for his friends as much, I can kind of see that, but I think some of it has to do with what madaboutdanny brought up. He's not in a lot of the episodes of season 10. And other than Company of Thieves, he's definitely not in the episodes of Sam angst. I think of the eps in season 10 that Sam might have needed some comfort as being Insiders, Company of Thieves, Line in the Sand, and The Road Not Taken. Three of those four he wasn't in at all. Two because he had been captured himself! In Company of Thieves he does seem a bit flippant, but at that point I don't think he had a clue what had just happened in front of Sam so while the audience might think some support would be in order, he would just treat it like any of the other multitude of crisis situations they've been in. (Or did they know from listening to the black box? I can't remember. I'll have to watch that one again too. My family is going to get on my case for watching so much Stargate! :P)
He's definitely the one who's there for Vala in Memento Mori. He's there for Bra'tac and Teal'c (as much as Teal'c will allow...he's off on his personal Jaffa revenge thing to much for any of them to offer any sort of help in that one) in Talion. He and Sam are there for eachother in Morpheus, as are Mitchell and Teal'c. Vala, Jack and Teal'c are there for him in the Shroud....but with reservations. He's there for Vala in Counterstrike, even to the point of talking about Shar'e....which is something I don't think we've seen with anyone since she died. In The Quest, part 2, he gives himself for all of them (although I'm sure there's a bit of adventure and excitement in it for him, too finally getting to look in the Repository thing). Sam, Landry and Daniel are there for Vala in Family Ties. And in Unending, they're all stuck together in the same mess yet very isolated with their own hang-ups and interests at the same time.
In season 10, 25% of the episodes are missing either Daniel or Sam entirely and several of the other ones have very little of either of them. So while it may be true that he's not there for his friends as much on screen as we may have seen in some previous seasons, it's hardly his fault. Sam and Teal'c aren't there as much either. I don't know why the onus has to be entirely on Daniel.

[JessM]

I am pretty sure that TPTB do not have total freedom over what they put in each episode. I'm positive that the network would not tolerate lots of character time in every episode...they want the story to continue, and a few remarks are okay, but anything beyond that is taboo. That is the impression I have gotten from interviews with writers/producers. With a limited amount of character screen time, they can't show every relationship, and ship is incredibly popular...hence the ship. :(

I do think that sometimes it's realistic not to see worry for a character on screen, because when they are it's because they have a job to do and are being professionals. We don't see them go home each night, and maybe cry into their pillow because they think Daniel might be gone for good this time.

Also, I think it's funny that Sam fans bemoaned how little time she got in Seasons 9 and 10, while the same was true for Daniel, and they were the characters most likely to leave for a couple episodes per season in the earlier seasons as well. Remember the times when Sam would be off the mission because she was working at Area 51? Or all the times when Daniel joined another SG team for archaeology stuff? It's nothing new... In fact, I think we've seen less Daniel overall, but more of his scenes are Daniel-centric rather than him being the wallpaper behind RDA. (Same with Sam, IMO.)

My two cents... and I hope I won't get in trouble for this... please don't red me :(

I'm not sure how much influence the network (in this case, SciFi) had. I do think they had at least some, because from what I remember they wanted Claudia in the S9 finale even though she was quite pregnant. I wouldn't doubt that quite a few things that went on in S9 (and possibly 10) were directions from above aka SciFi. But I think TPTB are also responsible for some other things too.

One of my main beefs with TPTB is that they can't seem to write ship or even female characters well. I've started noticing this more after S3 when Glassner left. I didn't have a problem with Daniel/Sha're because it had been established in the movie and I thought it was written well in the early series. S4-ish is when I started having issues...not just about ship, but about characters like Anise and a few other things. And this is around the time when Daniel started not having much to do except for the harcesis storyline.

In short I think there's plenty of blame to go around - I don't think it rests solely on TPTB. The network may also share some blame too.

As for the Sam fan thing... I am a Sam fan and I'm trying not to take this personally but I didn't like the way her character was utilized in S9/10. I had various issues with her in earlier seasons, some major issues in parts of S7/8, but I didn't have much in 9/10. I did feel she was dumbed down in some instances, like in Insiders. But I won't get further into it. Yes she was out for the first 5/6 eps in S9. We didn't see her in Prometheus Unbound either.

But I don't see how Daniel has gotten less screen time than her in S9/10. He was out for 4 eps in S10, yes. Sam wasn't in Bad Guys. I don't really remember any early eps that she was out of. As far as I can remember, Daniel was out of most of A Matter of Time - only appeared at the end (and I think that was because it wasn't long after Tatiana's birth), and he was out of Prodigy (which I've heard is due to his preparing to direct Double Jeopardy) and Double Jeopardy (except for the scenes with his robot double). I know the excuses were given that he was on a mission with another team.

When you get down to it, I would say they've been absent for more or less the same time combined (that is, S1-10), not counting S6. I certainly don't see Daniel having less screen time than Sam in 9/10 - maybe I'm just remembering wrong though.

As far as concern goes, it just doesn't seem realistic that, after showing concern for each other so many times in the past - we've SEEN how close they all are and how much they mean to each other - that they'd suddenly just shrug it off and make it seem like it's not a big deal. Yes, they realize all they've been through over the years but you'd think that the concern would still be there. It almost makes them appear callous to me. And yes, I blame the writers for it. They've stopped giving us many character scenes in favor of action scenes. But it seems to me that the character scenes we DO get are unbalanced. I've noticed it quite a bit since at least S7, but it seems to be worse now IMO.

Just reading Callista's last post... you are right that it seemed Daniel was absent in the eps with major Sam angst. As far as Company of Thieves goes, he did hear the gunshot on the black box after hearing Sam and Avateo talking. And I'd assume he knew that Sam had been taken hostage...at least from what I can remember... And I do wonder if he would show any worry/concern for her if he did appear in the Sam angsty eps. I really can't say. Ideally, I'd think he would, but TPTB probably think there's no point in showing it because he's shown it for her in the past and they think it'd be redundant. :rolleyes:

I guess I'm just not appreciating Daniel as he is now as much as I did of him earlier. So I guess I don't really have any place on this thread anymore... I'll unsubscribe from it because I don't want to bring anyone down. I know you're all trying to be positive and I'd hate to bring the thread down. I'll just stick to the S/D thread and the Classic Daniel thread where I feel more at home I guess....

Sorry to have wasted your time with my insane ramblings. :(

[discodiva]

You must do what makes you comfortable Jess.....however my own personal opinion is that there are plenty of threads where the "disection" of Daniel's not so finer points can be discussed......there are not many where he can be fully appreciated as the rounded character, throughout ALL seasons, that many of us on here enjoy....:daniel:

I've withdrawn from the Thunk thread because it's not my "scene" any more.....For the small amount of time I spend on Gateworld now with Daniel I want to focus on his whole character and his alone....there are plenty of ship threads, other character threads where the praises are sung to the rooftops, and anti-threads where characters are pretty much "torn to shreds", but only this one and the DJ TT supporting our lad imho.....

Therefore I hope you also understand why I feel I am within my rights to concentrate on Daniel's finer points and not the things that might make me unhappy....and believe me, in the "ship" area there are plenty of things I could talk about.....:S

I want to appreciate Daniel on here - not constantly delve into the stuff that I'm not happy with....or feel I have to consistently defend him on his own Appreciation Thread....:(


Deeds xx

[madaboutdanny]

Jess, I wasn't saying that Daniel missed more eps than Sam, I was saying that he wasn't in all the eps and most of the time the eps in which he was in, he was in them a very little...therefore the lack of interaction and I can understand that for you, as Daniel/Sam fan, it's been hard. That's all. You don't need to left the thread...This is Daniel discussion thread and we are discussing of him and you have all the right to express your feeling.

[MerryK]

As for the Sam fan thing... I am a Sam fan and I'm trying not to take this personally but I didn't like the way her character was utilized in S9/10. I had various issues with her in earlier seasons, some major issues in parts of S7/8, but I didn't have much in 9/10. I did feel she was dumbed down in some instances, like in Insiders. But I won't get further into it. Yes she was out for the first 5/6 eps in S9. We didn't see her in Prometheus Unbound either.

But I don't see how Daniel has gotten less screen time than her in S9/10. He was out for 4 eps in S10, yes. Sam wasn't in Bad Guys. I don't really remember any early eps that she was out of. As far as I can remember, Daniel was out of most of A Matter of Time - only appeared at the end (and I think that was because it wasn't long after Tatiana's birth), and he was out of Prodigy (which I've heard is due to his preparing to direct Double Jeopardy) and Double Jeopardy (except for the scenes with his robot double). I know the excuses were given that he was on a mission with another team.

When you get down to it, I would say they've been absent for more or less the same time combined (that is, S1-10), not counting S6. I certainly don't see Daniel having less screen time than Sam in 9/10 - maybe I'm just remembering wrong though.

Just to clarify, I have nothing against Sam fans...Sam and Daniel tie for my favorite character...my issue was with certain fans only noticing the treatment of their favorite character, and not noticing that the treatment was more widespread. Also, I said we saw less Daniel than in early seasons, not less Daniel than Sam.

Comparatively, Sam had way more episodes where she was central than Daniel did in Seasons 1-7 and some of 8. Daniel gets more focus in 9 and 10 only (apparently) because he's central to the Ori arc.

Barely any Daniel: A Hundred Days, Foothold, Nemesis, Small Victories, Divide and Conquer, Prodigy, Ascension, Desperate Measures, Proving Ground, Avenger 2.0, Gemini (Look, lots of Sam and Jack eps!)

Barely any Carter: The Curse, Absolute Power, Abyss, Enemy Mine, Prometheus Unbound (And look, they're all Daniel eps!)

Plus there were a couple where most of SG-1 was absent, such as the clip shows and episodes like Zero Hour.

[JessM]

You must do what makes you comfortable Jess.....however my own personal opinion is that there are plenty of threads where the "disection" of Daniel's not so finer points can be discussed......there are not many where he can be fully appreciated as the rounded character, throughout ALL seasons, that many of us on here enjoy....:daniel:

I've withdrawn from the Thunk thread because it's not my "scene" any more.....For the small amount of time I spend on Gateworld now with Daniel I want to focus on his whole character and his alone....there are plenty of ship threads, other character threads where the praises are sung to the rooftops, and anti-threads where characters are pretty much "torn to shreds", but only this one and the DJ TT supporting our lad imho.....

Therefore I hope you also understand why I feel I am within my rights to concentrate on Daniel's finer points and not the things that might make me unhappy....and believe me, in the "ship" area there are plenty of things I could talk about.....:S

I want to appreciate Daniel on here - not constantly delve into the stuff that I'm not happy with....or feel I have to consistently defend him on his own Appreciation Thread....:(


Deeds xx

I do understand - and to be honest I haven't seen Daniel dissected and scorned in any places apart from the Anti-S10 thread. I suppose there could be more and I'm just not seeing it (as I usually only stick to a few threads)... But I do understand that you'd like to be free to discuss Daniel and all that makes him great. And I don't feel that I can be entirely positive about everything he does ... which is why I think that perhaps I don't belong on this thread anymore. :( I'd hate to bring anyone down.


Jess, I wasn't saying that Daniel missed more eps than Sam, I was saying that he wasn't in all the eps and most of the time the eps in which he was in, he was in them a very little...therefore the lack of interaction and I can understand that for you, as Daniel/Sam fan, it's been hard. That's all. You don't need to left the thread...This is Daniel discussion thread and we are discussing of him and you have all the right to express your feeling.

(((Mad))) Oh hon, I know you weren't saying that. I was replying to MerryK and what I thought she had said. You are right as far as the recent eps are concerned (and even some of the older ones).

[JessM]

Just to clarify, I have nothing against Sam fans...Sam and Daniel tie for my favorite character...my issue was with certain fans only noticing the treatment of their favorite character, and not noticing that the treatment was more widespread. Also, I said we saw less Daniel than in early seasons, not less Daniel than Sam.

Comparatively, Sam had way more episodes where she was central than Daniel did in Seasons 1-7 and some of 8. Daniel gets more focus in 9 and 10 only (apparently) because he's central to the Ori arc.

Barely any Daniel: A Hundred Days, Foothold, Nemesis, Small Victories, Divide and Conquer, Prodigy, Ascension, Desperate Measures, Proving Ground, Avenger 2.0, Gemini (Look, lots of Sam and Jack eps!)

Barely any Carter: The Curse, Absolute Power, Abyss, Enemy Mine, Prometheus Unbound (And look, they're all Daniel eps!)

Plus there were a couple where most of SG-1 was absent, such as the clip shows and episodes like Zero Hour.

Looks like I misunderstood you... I'm sorry about that. :( But I see what you're saying - and I've seen the same thing with some of the rabid Daniel fans (no one here, really, but elsewhere). I guess there are fans like that for each character.

I know there were a lot of Sam-centric eps especially in S7 and 8 (Space Race, Grace, Gemini, etc.). Even though I am a Sam fan, I wasn't happy about how Daniel didn't seem to have anything to do in those.

It's a real departure from some of the early season eps. Like with Solitudes, even though Sam and Jack were a big part of it, at least we saw Daniel and Teal'c working to try and figure out a way to get them home. We didn't have Hammond sitting around the SGC saying "gee, if Dr. Jackson was here, maybe he could help, but he's on a mission with SG-5."

I think a big part of it in S7 and 8 was how they were filming eps. They'd be filming something like 2 or 3 eps at a time because of RDA's limited schedule (and I'm NOT blaming him in any way for this, just stating facts). So (for example) while they were filming Gemini on one unit, they were also filming PU on another unit.

But I get what you're saying now. There were Daniel-less episodes in the past and I wish it wasn't so. I guess I just tend to notice these things more now, because of the way it seemed Daniel's absence coincided with a lot of the angsty Carter stuff and so on.

Again I'm sorry I misunderstood like that...that's what I get for reading too fast... I'm so stupid :(

[discodiva]

I do understand - and to be honest I haven't seen Daniel dissected and scorned in any places apart from the Anti-S10 thread. I suppose there could be more and I'm just not seeing it (as I usually only stick to a few threads)... But I do understand that you'd like to be free to discuss Daniel and all that makes him great.


Well maybe that was an exaggeration on my part...:o.....although I still think that GW is more pro- other characters before Daniel (just a personal opinion though I hasten to add)...as I said, I'm tired, jet-lagged and cranky, but having just got back from a Convention where I saw a relaxed and very happy Michael Shanks still enthusing about his love of the character of Daniel after all these years I can't help but want to be happy for him and "celebrate" my love of Daniel Jackson in his honour.....:daniel:


I'm not on Gateworld much these days anyway - preferring to "appreciate" my fav on Live Journal so please don't let my comments put you off posting.....I will probably be around much less than others on here so I'll just put the odd "optimistic" and happy post about my favourite character when I can....:)


Deeds xx

[JessM]

Well maybe that was an exaggeration on my part...:o.....although I still think that GW is more pro- other characters before Daniel (just a personal opinion though I hasten to add)...as I said, I'm tired, jet-lagged and cranky, but having just got back from a Convention where I saw a relaxed and very happy Michael Shanks still enthusing about his love of the character of Daniel after all these years I can't help but want to be happy for him and "celebrate" my love of Daniel Jackson in his honour.....:daniel:


I'm not on Gateworld much these days anyway - preferring to "appreciate" my fav on Live Journal so please don't let my comments put you off posting.....I will probably be around much less than others on here so I'll just put the odd "optimistic" and happy post about my favourite character when I can....:)


Deeds xx

I think I get that feeling most times as well... I tend to avoid one thread in particular because of it (even though I am pro-(this certain character), it got a bit too much for me and they seemed to highlight one aspect of the character a bit too much for my liking. I'm sure you can probably guess what I'm talking about. ;)

I totally understand, Deeds, and please don't let my postings make you think that yours turn me off in any way. My reactions are just to everyone's recent posts in general...not just yours. I was looking at the overall mood of the thread and I didn't want to contribute anything negative.

[Suebsg9]

Well maybe that was an exaggeration on my part...:o.....although I still think that GW is more pro- other characters before Daniel (just a personal opinion though I hasten to add)...as I said, I'm tired, jet-lagged and cranky, but having just got back from a Convention where I saw a relaxed and very happy Michael Shanks still enthusing about his love of the character of Daniel after all these years I can't help but want to be happy for him and "celebrate" my love of Daniel Jackson in his honour.....:daniel:


I'm not on Gateworld much these days anyway - preferring to "appreciate" my fav on Live Journal so please don't let my comments put you off posting.....I will probably be around much less than others on here so I'll just put the odd "optimistic" and happy post about my favourite character when I can....:)


Deeds xx


I'm always glad to hear the how happy Michael is playing the character of Daniel. And was glad to hear what he had to say about the up coming movie coming out Continuum gets me excited; call me strange but value his opinion on stuff that he has performed in or done. And always good to see you around these parts Deeds.

[MerryK]

Looks like I misunderstood you... I'm sorry about that. :( But I see what you're saying - and I've seen the same thing with some of the rabid Daniel fans (no one here, really, but elsewhere). I guess there are fans like that for each character.

Hey, no problem! :) I probably could have phrased my original post a little better, anyway...no need to feel stupid. Just glad it's cleared up.

[madaboutdanny]

(((Mad))) Oh hon, I know you weren't saying that. I was replying to MerryK and what I thought she had said. You are right as far as the recent eps are concerned (and even some of the older ones).

Don't worry Jess, I know that you are never rude ;)

[jdjunkie]

Well, I can only speak personally, but from my meetings with Michael Shanks, I haven't come across an actor more personally committed to holding 100% true to the character he plays, i.e. Daniel Jackson - good and bad points included - he's definitely still passionate about Daniel that I CAN tell you...:daniel:......In Vancouver this year he was very excited about appearing in Atlantis and the role that Daniel might be playing (although I've already half expected that Daniel might well be "sacrificed at the altar of Rodney" for the Atlantis fans...:mckay:).....he just doesn't seem the type of guy that would desert a character at the drop of a hat - after all haven't we heard from his fellow actors about his copious notes scrawled all over his script and that he analyses every performance he watches....not the sort of thing from someone who has no commitment to his character imho....;)


As for supporting Daniel on here - well I'm finding it harder and harder these days - hence my gentle withdrawal from blanket participation on Gateworld....I'm not blind to Daniel's faults, neither am I so blinded in my adoration that he can do absolutely NO wrong at all, and to the detriment and dissing of his fellow characters (as I've seen elsewhere on the net..:()...however I find it easier these days to "enjoy" Daniel away from the forums and in the relative peace and quiet of Live Journal....;)


He will always be the most complex character to me, he WAS the man who made the Stargate happen in the very first instant, he and Jack WERE the main team who went forth and discovered the first new world of Abydos and he will ALWAYS be the man that kept me interested.....I won't change that - but I just may not be celebrating that fact here very often.....:P


Deeds xx


Total Word.

I'm getting more than a little tired of the passive-aggressive negativity towards Daniel on this forum. It's often subtle (sometimes not) but it's there in spades. I'd quote examples but I'd probably get modded to hell and back.

I'm a DANIEL fan, seasons 1-10, and sometimes I feel I have to apologise for that, for all sorts of reasons.

Well, hey. I will not apologise for supporting the actor and character I see as being the heart and soul of the series. Daniel is the most interesting, complex, difficult, enjoyable, character of the lot, as far as I'm concerned. And, no, I'm not dissing Daniel fans who feel he just isn't the same, has changed beyond all recognition throught he years, etc etc ... I just don't feel that way.

I'll support Daniel (and Michael) for as long as people want to talk about Daniel, enjoy him, debate him.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that, for me, Daniel is a great character, for all seasons, all reasons ... faults and foibles and all.

And I love him. :)

[iolanda]

OK, here are my description-snippets from the FedCon in Bonn, copy and pasted and just slightly edited out of the DJ/MS Thunk Thread:

If you want me to put it into spoiler tags for length, please say so.

Friday night, first Day

Ah, I would love to provide you with some steaming fresh (but not very brilliant, because of my camera) Michael pics from the FedCon here in Bonn, but I can't connect my camera to my computer right now.

He was tired, fell fresh from he plane, but so great and funny. Looks like The Rage Of Angels will become a feature film, that he really loves Continuum ("The Ark was great, but Continuum is great great"). There were some often heard questions about filming with RDA which is great but sometimes difficult because RDA is exactly like the later O'Neill and he doesn't take anything serious) , whether he preferred the earlier or the later Daniel (both, for different reasons) and whether there will be a "men if SciFi" (most probably not, because Chris Judge won't like filming half naked man as he liked doing the same thing with women).

One girl asked if Rage of Angels would be a funny film because he is he one to play Lucifer and the one second expression on Michaels face right after that was incredible. It was "HUH?". Hilarious. And he mocked after that a little bit because of the "funny" Lucifer. One of the very first questions was quite a witty one. The lady told, that she knows a lot of things about Daniel Jackson, but nothing about Michael Shanks, and she asked him what HE thinks is a personal thing about him that would be important to know, and he stumbled over that but in the end he told that he is sarcastic. And he was on some occasions.


More tomorrow after the second panel. I won't do photo ops because they are in the morning and I promised my sister to look after my god-niece (the little 20 month old sunshine is all excited over me and even started to cry when I went to the Con in the afternoon. Broke my heart).

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Thanks for the con update Iolanda. By feature film, was he referring to a movie theater release? Just imagine hussies, a movie theater size screen filled with MS!!! Let the drooling begin!!!

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Since Michael tends to talk without subtitels I am not 100% sure, but it sounded that way. The words "feature film" are mine, I am not so sure about his exact words. But I am sure, that the decision to change the concept was very very fresh (a week old or so) and that they are all excited and that there is a lot of work to do right now because the shooting will be in the summer. And as I was listening to it I was sure that he was speaking about a theatrical release.

BUT I am still no native speaker, so please don't nail me if it was wrong. I understand nearly everything, but I can get it wrong when it comes to the details.

Oh, and he told that there are plans for another SG1 movie, to be filmed at the end of the year.


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Someone ask Michael when he starts work on Atlantis?

He told it by himself: soon. And he doesn't know a lot about the show, only that as someone named McKay (or was he referring to David? I am not sure) that is the fastest talker and he will have to prove it. The exact date wasn't asked, but if I am brave enough tomorrow I will ask him that and I want to ask him if he knows already something about the story.

So, tired like a stone - I am off to bed!

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Saturday:

Today was sensorical overload. I hope I'll remember more tomorrow, but at the moment my mind refuses to give me any details back.

I try to give some details, but I'll use headwords:

- I wasn't at the photo shoot, looked after my niece
- got my picture from MK signed, even personalized though there was a shield "no personalisation"
- made one useful pic during the signing (made none at the second talk, those from the first talk are 100% rubbish)

the talk:
-wore no cap, was shaved, wore jeans and a darker shirt
- plans to shoot SGA in June, some movie in Kaloomps in the summer, RoA at the end of the year (yeah that sounds different from yesterday)
- is not planning to go back to the stages because he doesn't want to leave his family for a longer time
- wanted to change his glasses for years, but they didn't give him other ones until Rob Coopers mother told Rob "is Daniel still wearing that old glasses?" and then he got some new.
- but would have loved something like "contact lenses" or "laser surgery"
- his favourite death: wasn't really a death but when in double jeopardy the android Daniel was killed they had a lot of fun during the shooting, because the head had to roll to a certain position and after a dozen of people tried to do it RDA came and threw the head into the right position in his second try
- why did he quit after season 5: the role felt like a dead end
- why he came back: with RDA reducing his role he felt like there was more place for change and development and he accepted after they offered him the role again

- he was at the party, but stayed only about 10 or 15 minutes, together with Steve Bacic, Kevin Sorobo and (I guess, don't know him) Jamie Bamber.


The con was really great so far. I met a lot of people (like sg-daniel) I knew from forums only, some old friends, some new friends. I wasn't at too many talks since the guest list contains a lot of people from Battlestar Galactica and Babylon 5 which I havent seen. Marina Sirtis was great!

The costume contest was great! They really, really improved that thing, great fun.

There was a raffle and the winner got a complete SG1 - DVD Boc set, delivered by Michael together with a hug and a kiss. How great was that? I am not envious at all ;)

Today: tired like two stones. At least. Good night!


Thanks! Are you sure he said "Stages" and not "States"?

It was stages like in theatre. He missed it, hadn't done that at all after Hamlet, but being with a theatre company is connected with "being elsewhere but there where he lives" for months and he doesn't want to do that with a young family.


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Sunday

Here are my pictures - brightened up the some ones which were halfway useful - and then the one from the signing ;)

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Hello ponders
the bad thing is all my pics were crap! and I wasn't allowed to film I thought the fedcon people were very very unfriendly , that's what I thought and something this big I will never do again , to many people and a to small place you know , so was really busy ...


About the filming: is there any con where filming is allowed? I don't know one. When I was there the last time (I guess 3 years ago) it was worse with the filming-stuff. They searched every bag and you were not allowed to bring a camera inside which was able to film at all.

Now no bag was searched, they just made it clear, that when you film, you die. On the one hand, the "you die" is Marc B. Lees (who is American, btw.) weird sense of humour, on the other hand did they sue a Star Trek Newssite, who made films and put them on their website. The only ones who have the rights for filming and publishing are the guys who make the DVD.

This year I experienced not one unfriendly helper, that's different to other FedCons I attended. Yes, the Con is huge, with over 3000 visitors on a quite small place and too many things to see and to do, but that is what the FedCon was since it moved to Bonn. You have to try and pick the best.

Oh, I didn't tell about the closing ceremony. Michael was on the stage and said "Thank you" and I think he liked it. It was his first time in Germany, but he only saw the Maritim (Next time he might just ask me - I can show him the area ;) ). He had a question to the audience: "Whats with all the chocolate? You gave me so much chocolate, do I look as if I would need some chocolate, or worse, do I look as if I would eat that much chocolate?"

Someone from the audience yelled "American chocolate is crap" and the he said something I didn't quite understand, but in the end he said "but I am Canadian, eh" :D:D:D


Oh and he was always with Kevin Sorbo, I guess they are good friends :)


Oh, if you really want to see a lot of people you have to visit the FedCon when its "Rhein in Flammen" at the same time (that happens every few years). There are about 300.000 people in the Rheinauen (a large park next to the Rhine, 5-10 mins walk from the maritim) who celebrate a "Volksfest" with a fair and live-music and there is a large fireworks, synchronized to music. At the end of the fireworks all the people go home. I once was there with a friend and it took us 2 hrs just to leave the area where we parked.

[madaboutdanny]

Total Word.

I'm getting more than a little tired of the passive-aggressive negativity towards Daniel on this forum. It's often subtle (sometimes not) but it's there in spades. I'd quote examples but I'd probably get modded to hell and back.

I'm a DANIEL fan, seasons 1-10, and sometimes I feel I have to apologise for that, for all sorts of reasons.
Well, hey. I will not apologise for supporting the actor and character I see as being the heart and soul of the series. Daniel is the most interesting, complex, difficult, enjoyable, character of the lot, as far as I'm concerned. And, no, I'm not dissing Daniel fans who feel he just isn't the same, has changed beyond all recognition throught he years, etc etc ... I just don't feel that way.
I'll support Daniel (and Michael) for as long as people want to talk about Daniel, enjoy him, debate him.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that, for me, Daniel is a great character, for all seasons, all reasons ... faults and foibles and all.

And I love him. :)
Totally agree with you!!!! He was the reason why I liked so much the movie and he is the reason why I watch Sg1.

[Suebsg9]

Totally agree with you!!!! He was the reason why I liked so much the movie and he is the reason why I watch Sg1.


I started watching Stargate totally by accident buzzing through set and S2 started in syndie and didn't know it was on showtime of course didn't have showtime. So started watching S2 and fell for Daniel right away; amazing how quickly started looking up Michaels name finding sites and what he did. So I am kinda a person who has to see the actor away from the character I fell for. this is how crazy I am; I thought save money tape stargate and watch at sis's house did that through summer and then its like do i really want to do this every friday so ended up just getting showtime on my sets and watching at house and was fun cause I could talk to others about eps after.
And have been a fan of Michaels/Daniel/other characters for 7 years I was a late bloomer :)

[heliosphere]

Total Word.

I'm getting more than a little tired of the passive-aggressive negativity towards Daniel on this forum. It's often subtle (sometimes not) but it's there in spades. I'd quote examples but I'd probably get modded to hell and back.

I'm a DANIEL fan, seasons 1-10, and sometimes I feel I have to apologise for that, for all sorts of reasons.

W

Well, there's obviously some people on GW that have some vendetta against Daniel. This thread had five stars for a while and now it's back down to four. Which wouldn't happen, I surmise, if people weren't voting it back down low to one or two stars. I think it's a little odd that on this whole forum, there are only a few threads with five stars and them, and most of them being about Sam or Jack or Sam/Jack.

I have had a difficult time finding places which are comfortable for someone who loves both Daniel and Sam! I think GW is very Sam - Sam/Jack oriented, just as other places I've visited are Daniel oriented or Jack oriented or even Cameron oriented. It's just this site is rather large. Some people are very polarized between being fans of Sam and fans of Daniel, and then it skews off into the actors themselves.

I noticed a few comments on the Continuum trailer announcement on the GW mainpage that showed that even. A few posts mentioned that they were worried that they didn't see much of Daniel in the trailer so they weren't as excited about the movie, and then there'd be posts by people to make fun of the "Danny-lovers". Some were anonymous, and some were of people I know were upset with AoT because Sam wasn't in it enough!

I can understand why people would want to leave this site if they are constantly harped on for their love and want for discussion of a character if the people ripping on them are doing the same for their favorite character.


More on topic, I am rather happy with Daniel's progression throughout all 10 years. I did not like some of Daniel's short tempered frustration in 9 and 10, but I can see where the characterization for that came from. When I read fan fiction, I gravitate toward an earlier version of him, but so much happens between say, season 3 and 9!
He is the character I think that does get trashed the most for changing throughout the 10 years, even though every other character has changed quite a bit over the years. I am really interested in what direction Daniel will go post-Ori.

[iolanda]

Well, there's obviously some people on GW that have some vendetta against Daniel. This thread had five stars for a while and now it's back down to four. Which wouldn't happen, I surmise, if people weren't voting it back down low to one or two stars. I think it's a little odd that on this whole forum, there are only a few threads with five stars and them, and most of them being about Sam or Jack or Sam/Jack.


There are always people who have vendettas.

Seriously, I haver problems understanding that. I personally love the shows. Both of them. And I love the characters. OK, over the time I felt more for Daniel and Rodney but that doesn't make me hate any of the other characters, and I really do not see any reason for hate there.

OK, there are things which are worthy to discuss (and with discuss I do not mean rant), but I really do not see any reason why I should hate Sam when I like Daniel.

Oh, and I do not see any reason to leave this thread, only because someone has some issues with Shanks's performance or the way Daniel changed over the years. I mean, nobody is perfect, and I still can like someone even though I do not like every little bit of him.

[madaboutdanny]

I started watching Stargate totally by accident buzzing through set and S2 started in syndie and didn't know it was on showtime of course didn't have showtime. So started watching S2 and fell for Daniel right away; amazing how quickly started looking up Michaels name finding sites and what he did. So I am kinda a person who has to see the actor away from the character I fell for. this is how crazy I am; I thought save money tape stargate and watch at sis's house did that through summer and then its like do i really want to do this every friday so ended up just getting showtime on my sets and watching at house and was fun cause I could talk to others about eps after.
And have been a fan of Michaels/Daniel/other characters for 7 years I was a late bloomer :)
I started watching Sg1 in winter/spring of 2006, just out of curiosity after I read an ep synopsis on a tv magazine, till then I barely knew that there was a tv show based on the movie, which I watched for James Spader but I LOVED for Daniel! I watched first PU and then Icon and then I totally fell in love with MS's Daniel and with MS himself...From March 2006 to half April 2006 I watched all the 9 season, except season 6.... unfortunately I watched them randomly. So, to me, Sg1 is about Daniel and then Jack/Daniel and Daniel/Vala now, 'cause I love so much their chemistry...remind me a little of Jack/Daniel. I never had a crush like this for a character or an actor, not even when I was a teen...long long, unfortunately long, time ago!

[madaboutdanny]

There are always people who have vendettas.

Seriously, I haver problems understanding that. I personally love the shows. Both of them. And I love the characters. OK, over the time I felt more for Daniel and Rodney but that doesn't make me hate any of the other characters, and I really do not see any reason for hate there.

OK, there are things which are worthy to discuss (and with discuss I do not mean rant), but I really do not see any reason why I should hate Sam when I like Daniel.

Oh, and I do not see any reason to leave this thread, only because someone has some issues with Shanks's performance or the way Daniel changed over the years. I mean, nobody is perfect, and I still can like someone even though I do not like every little bit of him.
The perfection is soooo boring ;)

[Callista]

I actually like Daniel more and more as the show goes on. I must admit that I thought Daniel in the first couple of seasons was a bit too spacy to be on a team that would face so much danger. I can't imagine that there is any way they would let him be on the team. Yeah, he's great at talking to people and coming up with out of the blue solutions to problems, but I can hardly watch the scene in Children of the Gods when he's standing there flipping through his notes trying to find the return address while everyone is getting shot at and Kowalsky is getting goa'ulded. I much prefer it in later seasons when he's no longer a danger to himself or his team.

He just seems to be held to a much higher standard than the others (except for maybe Sam). Teal'c can go off on his own revenging all he wants, but everyone still likes Teal'c. Jack can swing wildly from good, honest guy who would never betray an ally in order to get stuff (Shades of Gray) to a short-sighted, grab first - ask questions never guy (The Other Side) to a guy who never takes anything seriously, but everyone still likes Jack. Hammond starts off as a gruff blow-hard and turns into a loveable old teddy bear, and no one thinks there's anything odd about that.

But all the animosity seems to be saved for Daniel and Sam. I don't know why that is. Maybe because I'm relatively new to fandom. I also don't go on any other Stargate forums so perhaps things are different in other places.

Personally, I prefer watching a show that evolves. I watched the Simpsons for many years, but eventually I got tired of them always being the same ages. I watched the original Law and Order and even though the actors changed, the characterizations and stories didn't so I got tired of it after a few years.

I also prefer watching characters who change. If Daniel were still the same way he were in season one or two, I don't think I'd have much respect for him. How can a person go through so much and not be different.

But I think the "heart" of Daniel is the same. He's a good guy. He just wants other people to be happy and free. He likes a juicy discovery. And he probably wouldn't mind getting a little happiness himself, once in a while.

[madaboutdanny]

Callista, since you are here....


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[Sprinkles]

Total Word.

I'm getting more than a little tired of the passive-aggressive negativity towards Daniel on this forum. It's often subtle (sometimes not) but it's there in spades. I'd quote examples but I'd probably get modded to hell and back.

I'm a DANIEL fan, seasons 1-10, and sometimes I feel I have to apologise for that, for all sorts of reasons.

Well, hey. I will not apologise for supporting the actor and character I see as being the heart and soul of the series. Daniel is the most interesting, complex, difficult, enjoyable, character of the lot, as far as I'm concerned. And, no, I'm not dissing Daniel fans who feel he just isn't the same, has changed beyond all recognition throught he years, etc etc ... I just don't feel that way.

I'll support Daniel (and Michael) for as long as people want to talk about Daniel, enjoy him, debate him.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that, for me, Daniel is a great character, for all seasons, all reasons ... faults and foibles and all.

And I love him. :)

Very well said http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/Sprinkles-bit/Smilies/danielanime11.gif Totally agree :)
I love all of the characters, from the original four member team http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/Sprinkles-bit/Smilies/teamaction.gif and others :hammond: :janet smilie: and the new members :vala: :cameron: :jonas: (and the very talented actors who play them) but not going to apologise if I find :daniel: to be the most interesting, entertaining character of the bunch.

On that note I don't expect anyone else to apologise for their favourites either and hope that anyone could post here happily as long as theres good things to say about Daniel. :)

[Sprinkles]

I started watching Stargate totally by accident buzzing through set and S2 started in syndie and didn't know it was on showtime of course didn't have showtime. So started watching S2 and fell for Daniel right away; amazing how quickly started looking up Michaels name finding sites and what he did. So I am kinda a person who has to see the actor away from the character I fell for. this is how crazy I am; I thought save money tape stargate and watch at sis's house did that through summer and then its like do i really want to do this every friday so ended up just getting showtime on my sets and watching at house and was fun cause I could talk to others about eps after.
And have been a fan of Michaels/Daniel/other characters for 7 years I was a late bloomer :)

I watched the movie, thought it was one of the best and original movies of its time and was exstatic when it was announced there would be a TV series. My friends dad would tape it and when we went home from school for lunch he would put it on. So I can even remeber it being part of my childhood traditions. I loved the Daniel in the movie and soon loved Daniel in the sereis after watching most of season one. I didn't come online until season 7 started because I wanted to find out what had happend to Daniel when he came back, after that I found out more about Michael Shanks and the rest is history ;)

Happy Birthday Callista http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/Sprinkles-bit/Smilies/daniel_birthday.gif

[Suebsg9]

I actually like Daniel more and more as the show goes on. I must admit that I thought Daniel in the first couple of seasons was a bit too spacy to be on a team that would face so much danger. I can't imagine that there is any way they would let him be on the team. Yeah, he's great at talking to people and coming up with out of the blue solutions to problems, but I can hardly watch the scene in Children of the Gods when he's standing there flipping through his notes trying to find the return address while everyone is getting shot at and Kowalsky is getting goa'ulded. I much prefer it in later seasons when he's no longer a danger to himself or his team.

He just seems to be held to a much higher standard than the others (except for maybe Sam). Teal'c can go off on his own revenging all he wants, but everyone still likes Teal'c. Jack can swing wildly from good, honest guy who would never betray an ally in order to get stuff (Shades of Gray) to a short-sighted, grab first - ask questions never guy (The Other Side) to a guy who never takes anything seriously, but everyone still likes Jack. Hammond starts off as a gruff blow-hard and turns into a loveable old teddy bear, and no one thinks there's anything odd about that.

But all the animosity seems to be saved for Daniel and Sam. I don't know why that is. Maybe because I'm relatively new to fandom. I also don't go on any other Stargate forums so perhaps things are different in other places.

Personally, I prefer watching a show that evolves. I watched the Simpsons for many years, but eventually I got tired of them always being the same ages. I watched the original Law and Order and even though the actors changed, the characterizations and stories didn't so I got tired of it after a few years.

I also prefer watching characters who change. If Daniel were still the same way he were in season one or two, I don't think I'd have much respect for him. How can a person go through so much and not be different.

But I think the "heart" of Daniel is the same. He's a good guy. He just wants other people to be happy and free. He likes a juicy discovery. And he probably wouldn't mind getting a little happiness himself, once in a while.


Amen!

And Happy Birthday Callista!

[quasar]

I watch Stargate because I find Daniel to be such an interesting character and so well acted by MS. I think if Daniel hadn't grown up and changed over the years after all his experiences, we would have become quite frustrated with him. Daniel has learned a lot over the years and it shows. He is trusted and well respected for his knowledge and how he handles himself in tough situations. People put their faith in him because he has earned it. And yet, he's still human, with flaws that only make him the more endearing.

[MerryK]

He just seems to be held to a much higher standard than the others (except for maybe Sam). Teal'c can go off on his own revenging all he wants, but everyone still likes Teal'c. Jack can swing wildly from good, honest guy who would never betray an ally in order to get stuff (Shades of Gray) to a short-sighted, grab first - ask questions never guy (The Other Side) to a guy who never takes anything seriously, but everyone still likes Jack. Hammond starts off as a gruff blow-hard and turns into a loveable old teddy bear, and no one thinks there's anything odd about that.

But all the animosity seems to be saved for Daniel and Sam. I don't know why that is. Maybe because I'm relatively new to fandom. I also don't go on any other Stargate forums so perhaps things are different in other places.

Yeah, what is it about Sam and Daniel? Perhaps it's because they are usually the ones with the answers. A lot of pressure is put on them because they are smarter, and since the fans are more likely to identify with Jack and Hammond, who have very little idea what to do in most situations, perhaps a lot of fans also start putting pressure on these characters to perform. If Jack has a bad day, it's very unlikely that the fate of the galaxy will suffer...Daniel, on the other hand, if there's Ancient to be translated... (Same with Sam.)

It could also be the curse of good characters. When you have characters with solid morals, I've noticed in this fandom and many others, fans either hate them for their "perfection" or grow attached to how good they are. Hence, when they do show weakness, some fans may think it an improvement, but often they're so bitter from all the "perfection" that even that won't soothe them. And the other fans who grew attached to the goodness are quick to defend their character from all accusations instead of acknowledging that they were just being human and accepting that as part of the character. At least, that's my perception. So Jack gets off because he's always been a bit of a jerk, and Teal'c gets off because he used to be the servant of Apophis...but Sam and Daniel have always been good and decent in almost all circumstances.

[Callista]

Thanks for the birthday wishes, everyone!! :)


I do think you're on to something there, MerryK. I know my brother dislikes both Sam and Daniel because they're right too much of the time. And I know some of my favorite episodes are the ones where they mess up. I really like "Need" for Daniel and "Red Sky" for Sam for those very reasons. Perhaps they are both just a little too capable. I remember in High School that it was the seemingly "perfect" people who were the most universally disliked...despite the fact that many of them were very nice and rarely had an unkind thing to say to anyone else.

Part of the problem may be that the writers use Sam and Daniel to move the story along by having them know stuff that it is unlikely they'd know. In the commentary for "The Tomb" they even mention that Daniel can read anything and say "what would we do without Daniel"? because if he weren't there everyone would just be standing around without a clue. And there's another commentary where Gary Jones is bemoaning the fact that whenever there's a problem, someone on SG-1 (usually Sam) comes up and takes his chair and he gets shoved to the side. :P He's joking, but it's true. Sam and Daniel have both become so much better than everyone else at certain things that it makes all the other scientists and technicians look kind of stupid. Sam even does alien autopsies for goodness sakes! When the heck did she have time to fit that kind of knowledge in? And somehow it's Daniel who comes up with the idea that they can run through the shields in "Upgrades" because of their speed and the fluctuations in the power? Really? Daniel thought of that?!?

So, when you've got people that are that great at everything they try, I think most people find it amusing or gratifying to pick them apart when a flaw does come to light.

[Dankriss]

Having lurked on here for a while now thought I would my own views...be gentle with me...:o

I started watching Stargate from about '98 it would of been...ie when Sky got the show...I never really got into it but always watched it if I happened to catch it...I really became interested when it was announced that Ben and Claudia were joining the cast...my reaction no way!...Crichton and Aeryn on Stargate!...so I thought I have to watch this and that was it became hooked on the relationship between Daniel and Vala and then started to look up things about Michael and just loved the guy...he has a great sense of humour and has his head on right!...when I found out he was married to Lexa as well..well that just sealed the deal as I had followed Lexa's career since TekWar.

As I watched more of the old Stargate's realised that I had caught nearly every episode but managed to missed most of Daniel's ones...:S...after watching all of them now the character of Daniel is definitly so interesting...the way that Michael makes the character grow and cared enough to actually leave the show because he was frustrated that Daniel was being left behind...even his fellow actors are really surprised at how much work he puts into each scene...even after this amount of time...that speaks volumes to me...

As to Sam and Daniel...I like Sam as well and can see the relationship between them as Sam being his big sister who often takes the mickey out of him...love the scene in Chimera...:)...

Hope this makes sense as just got up here and I did promise myself never to post until I had woken up...:o

[discodiva]

I think with this fandom opinions are very much polarized towards one or the other....(waaaay too much history now with various things for it to change imho...:S) ....[O.T. - I won't go into details about Sam (or Vala for that matter) here because this is a Daniel Appreciation Thread and of all the SG-1 team members they're my least favourite characters (what can I say?...I like guys not girls in TV series :P).... I have nothing anything against either them and I do still enjoy their characters, but they're just not my favs - I'm just more of a guys' type of gal I'm afraid...:o;)]

I can accept that people don't like Daniel for whatever reasons - as I've said before he's not perfect - he whines, can be a sulky little brat sometimes, and yes over the past few seasons he's become a little less tolerant and has upped the "snark" factor tremendously.....all of this I find endearing, but many find annoying.....What I don't like is when I have a "safe haven" to appreciate the character I feel uncomfortable having to defend him from criticism much of the time.....I want to focus on what I enjoy about Daniel without always having to go back to reading about his "changes" in a negative way.....jdjunkie used the word "passive agressive" so well in an earlier reply and I do agree with that - a lot of that is used on GW in relation to Daniel - and almost in an "amused tolerance" sort of way - or ridicule which I find just as upsetting as outright hate (for want of a better word)...:(....and I would for ANY OTHER CHARACTER being subjected to this too I hasten to add.....


What I absolutely DETEST is when the fans blur the lines between the characters and the actors - or - more worryingly - use the excuse that they are "just talking about the character" when even an idiot can see between the hidden lines they are using that as a cover to insult the actor....that, to me, is deplorable, and shows them up to be anything but a "true fan" (a phrase I hate, btw, but necessary here imho)..


Fine with me if you want to diss a character, do so on the right thread and don't ever diss a hardworking actor for reading the lines they're given and making something from a writer's pen become a living, breathing character....


You're not going to change the die-hard fans on GW or anywhere else who detest a particular character, or part of a character's trait....however, I just hope that on this particular Appreciation Thread we can keep appreciating the one guy that we support and love, even after all he's gone through....


I just wish Continuum would come out sooner - I want to start discussing all the angst and worry that I can imagine Daniel's going to go through....after all, NO-ONE can beat him in the angst, worry or deep thinking department ever!!!....:danielanime08:...and it wouldn't be Stargate without some Daniel angst!...

Deeds xx

[MerryK]

You're not going to change the die-hard fans on GW or anywhere else who detest a particular character, or part of a character's trait....however, I just hope that on this particular Appreciation Thread we can keep appreciating the one guy that we support and love, even after all he's gone through....


I just wish Continuum would come out sooner - I want to start discussing all the angst and worry that I can imagine Daniel's going to go through....after all, NO-ONE can beat him in the angst, worry or deep thinking department ever!!!....:danielanime08:...and it wouldn't be Stargate without some Daniel angst!...

Amen to both points! After all, Daniel is going to need lots of love if he's ever going to regain that trusting nature. ;)

[Callista]

Okey-Doke. So I rewatched the scene in Ark of Truth that I wanted to discuss:


I just love the scene in the Ori cell when Daniel is talking to Morgan.

I love that we get to see him finally reach the end of his rope with ascended beings.

It seems like we've seen him lose so much and you can just see it all in his face and especially his eyes.

We've seen him lose his parents.
We've seen him lose himself (in "Need" and "The Light").
We've seen him lose his wife.
We've seen him lose his life.
We've seen him lose his friend (Janet).
And now we've seen him lose his hope.

Having just rewatched "Maternal Instinct" recently, I've been reflecting on his whole journey with ascension. I just love the depth of feelings the journey has taken him on. From the thrill of discovery and a bit of an ego trip when he thought he had the powers in the temple to his awe and humility when he realizes it was all Oma. From that to his hope that he could "do more" when he opted to ascend and on to his inability to truly give up the people he loves and the world that has treated him so cruelly. Then on to frustration with the ascendeds who refused to step in to stop Anubis and maybe a renewed hope when Oma finally steps in and the others give him another chance. He told Jack that he was scared after meeting the Ori because he'd always felt before that there was someone looking out for them, but he wasn't so sure anymore. And then, he seemed to feel very alone after the others stop Morgan from really helping in "The Pegasus Project".

And it all leads to that scene in the cell where he finally decides there is nothing more he can do. I find it quite cool that it takes an ascended to build him back up again. I love that Morgan talks openly with him and drops all the riddles and charades when she realizes he just can't do it anymore. And I like that moment when it clicks for him that the old word for truth was origin.

I really love that they gave him a chance to reconcile things with the ascendeds. It seemed like a nice bit of closure for him so that he can move on with his life now and have some sort of faith that things will be OK.

[Dankriss]

All I wish was that the DVD came with a government health warning
Please watch with box of tissues handy!..
That scene just capped the movie for me...it was so well acted and written and what Rob says on the commentary is nice as well...:)

[MerryK]

Okey-Doke. So I rewatched the scene in Ark of Truth that I wanted to discuss:


It seems like we've seen him lose so much and you can just see it all in his face and especially his eyes.

We've seen him lose his parents.
We've seen him lose himself (in "Need" and "The Light").
We've seen him lose his wife.
We've seen him lose his life.
We've seen him lose his friend (Janet).
And now we've seen him lose his hope.


Well put, Callista! I'd add to that that we've seen him lose other people around him (his professor, Catherine, Sarah, Skaara, Kasuf, Dr. Rothman...) that had to have affected him. That was exactly what I was thinking during that scene, though, and actually through a lot of seasons 8-10 you can see him slowly lose that hope.

I'm so happy for him that Mitchell got the team back together because as much as he would love Atlantis, the problems there would have weighed on him so heavily, even more than the Ori problems because back in the Milky Way he has at least five people who love and care deeply for him. And now, hopefully, post AOT, he will begin to regain that hope. Daniel's great at bouncing back from tragedy.

[discodiva]

And it all leads to that scene in the cell where he finally decides there is nothing more he can do. I find it quite cool that it takes an ascended to build him back up again. I love that Morgan talks openly with him and drops all the riddles and charades when she realizes he just can't do it anymore. And I like that moment when it clicks for him that the old word for truth was origin.

I really love that they gave him a chance to reconcile things with the ascendeds. It seemed like a nice bit of closure for him so that he can move on with his life now and have some sort of faith that things will be OK.



This was the bit in AoT that I LOVED the most.....:daniel:


It was a perfect "rounding off" of the "Ascendeds versus Daniel" storylines .....after all those years of first, trying to understand, then second, trying to get THEM to understand - I think he finally did it......sure he was stripped down to complete and utter hopelessness and despair but it worked....;).....in fact a small part of me (the sneaky, devilish part) for a moment, only a moment mind you, wondered if Daniel "put on" the completely "given up" persona to get Morgan to weaken and see it from his point of view.....however that feeling didn't last for more than a millisecond as you could see how completely defeated Daniel was - and once again showing the phenomenal acting ability of Michael Shanks - that scene could have gone on much much longer for me to be honest, it was simply wonderful......:daniel:

It was a wonderful return to the passionate Daniel we've seen throughout the years and just showed that through all his supposed "changes", liked or not, that the core of the man will always be there, shining through....:daniel:......Daniel will be pleading for justice and fairness for all until his dying day....I have visions of him old, grey, balding (whatever...:P) in his retirement home, still demanding equal rights for pensioners, and more books for the library, cable TV etc. etc.....*gigglesnort*....;)


Oh and O.T. (but not completely, as Michael DID talk again about how special Daniel was, and always would be, to him and how much he still loved playing him)...there are 3 pages of my personal photos of him from Vancouver now up on michaelshanks-online, if anyone is interested.......enjoy them for your personal use but please don't post them anywhere else online - thanks....:D


http://www.michaelshanks-online.com/news/index.shtml


Deeds xx

[Dankriss]

This was the bit in AoT that I LOVED the most.....:daniel:



Oh and O.T. (but not completely, as Michael DID talk again about how special Daniel was, and always would be, to him and how much he still loved playing him)...there are 3 pages of my personal photos of him from Vancouver now up on michaelshanks-online, if anyone is interested.......enjoy them for your personal use but please don't post them anywhere else online - thanks....:D


http://www.michaelshanks-online.com/news/index.shtml


Deeds xx


Thanks Deeds they were great piccies...will you be doing a transcript or any funny moments from the talk at all?...:o

[discodiva]

Thanks Deeds they were great piccies...will you be doing a transcript or any funny moments from the talk at all?...:o


I'll just post anything else that might be relevant to the Daniel Discussion here, but I think I've covered all that he said about that.....:daniel:.....to be honest as I said to you, I've forgotten a lot due to the time span and also there wasn't masses of new stuff anyway - a lot of it has been covered in many, many, many cons already....;)


Am sure ms-online will have a transcript up soon though...:D


Deeds xx

[Callista]

It was a wonderful return to the passionate Daniel we've seen throughout the years and just showed that through all his supposed "changes", liked or not, that the core of the man will always be there, shining through....:daniel:......Daniel will be pleading for justice and fairness for all until his dying day....I have visions of him old, grey, balding (whatever...:P) in his retirement home, still demanding equal rights for pensioners, and more books for the library, cable TV etc. etc.....*gigglesnort*....;)



Deeds xx

LOL! Wouldn't that be great if after all his near and actual deaths Daniel ended up outliving everyone else and made it to 102? :P

[MerryK]

LOL! Wouldn't that be great if after all his near and actual deaths Daniel ended up outliving everyone else and made it to 102? :P

That would be great! And fitting, after all he's been through...kind of a repayment for all the tragedy.

[iolanda]

LOL! Wouldn't that be great if after all his near and actual deaths Daniel ended up outliving everyone else and made it to 102? :P

102??? Whats that?

[Suebsg9]

This was the bit in AoT that I LOVED the most.....:daniel:


It was a perfect "rounding off" of the "Ascendeds versus Daniel" storylines .....after all those years of first, trying to understand, then second, trying to get THEM to understand - I think he finally did it......sure he was stripped down to complete and utter hopelessness and despair but it worked....;).....in fact a small part of me (the sneaky, devilish part) for a moment, only a moment mind you, wondered if Daniel "put on" the completely "given up" persona to get Morgan to weaken and see it from his point of view.....however that feeling didn't last for more than a millisecond as you could see how completely defeated Daniel was - and once again showing the phenomenal acting ability of Michael Shanks - that scene could have gone on much much longer for me to be honest, it was simply wonderful......:daniel:

It was a wonderful return to the passionate Daniel we've seen throughout the years and just showed that through all his supposed "changes", liked or not, that the core of the man will always be there, shining through....:daniel:......Daniel will be pleading for justice and fairness for all until his dying day....I have visions of him old, grey, balding (whatever...:P) in his retirement home, still demanding equal rights for pensioners, and more books for the library, cable TV etc. etc.....*gigglesnort*....;)


Oh and O.T. (but not completely, as Michael DID talk again about how special Daniel was, and always would be, to him and how much he still loved playing him)...there are 3 pages of my personal photos of him from Vancouver now up on michaelshanks-online, if anyone is interested.......enjoy them for your personal use but please don't post them anywhere else online - thanks....:D


http://www.michaelshanks-online.com/news/index.shtml


Deeds xx


Thanks for the pics you contributed to MSOL Deeds and enjoy listening to memories and such from cons and what Michael has to say especially about a character near and dear to all our hearts. Muchly appreciated. Your pics are great and he looked very relaxed that day and always fun to see that side of him!:)

[Sprinkles]

LOL! Wouldn't that be great if after all his near and actual deaths Daniel ended up outliving everyone else and made it to 102? :P


Of course he will! :D I've taken it as cannon that he will live until he's lost his hair ever since 1969 aired. Remember what the future Cassie said:

'Hello, Jack.Teal'c? Daniel? I hardly recognized you with hair.'

Ok it's open to interpretation :P but still :)

[JessM]

Hey, no problem! :) I probably could have phrased my original post a little better, anyway...no need to feel stupid. Just glad it's cleared up.


Don't worry Jess, I know that you are never rude ;)

Thanks guys :D *hugs*


Total Word.

I'm getting more than a little tired of the passive-aggressive negativity towards Daniel on this forum. It's often subtle (sometimes not) but it's there in spades. I'd quote examples but I'd probably get modded to hell and back.

I'm a DANIEL fan, seasons 1-10, and sometimes I feel I have to apologise for that, for all sorts of reasons.

Well, hey. I will not apologise for supporting the actor and character I see as being the heart and soul of the series. Daniel is the most interesting, complex, difficult, enjoyable, character of the lot, as far as I'm concerned. And, no, I'm not dissing Daniel fans who feel he just isn't the same, has changed beyond all recognition throught he years, etc etc ... I just don't feel that way.

I'll support Daniel (and Michael) for as long as people want to talk about Daniel, enjoy him, debate him.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that, for me, Daniel is a great character, for all seasons, all reasons ... faults and foibles and all.

And I love him. :)

I know it's been said so many times, but very well said. Even with some of the issues I've had with Daniel (esp. recently), I still adore him and he is still one of my favorite characters. I've found that I've almost had to apologize for being a fan of his in various places - not so much here but elsewhere - and it does get annoying.

Love the con report and pics, iolanda :D

Nice to see you here, Kriss. I started watching SG-1 during season 6 when Daniel wasn't around, except for those few appearances. When SciFi started airing the reruns, I watched from the beginning and I totally fell in love with Daniel. Sam became another one of my favorites as well, mostly because I am a scientist myself and could identify with her. And so I loved the interplay between the two of them as scientists and friends. :) So, that's pretty much my story.

Deeds, thanks for adding your pics to MSOL...some very nice ones and I love hearing your stories about the con. Very nice what Michael said about playing Daniel. :daniel:

I don't want to keep beating this like a dead horse because again I don't want to bring any more negativity to the thread... but what you (Deeds) said about people being negative here is why I've thought about leaving. I can't remember many people posting here negatively. The only things I can remember in the past year or 6 months is people complaining about negative things said about Daniel in other threads. I remember people posting here how they hate the "action Jackson" nickname that people in other threads are using and some of the criticisms against him.

Which, fair enough, you are allowed to be annoyed about. But if they do annoy you, then maybe it would be best to just visit this "safe haven" and not poke around in the threads where Daniel is dissed (offhand I know of only one...not sure if there are others). That way we can talk about all of Daniel's positive qualities and just "tune out" the negative things said elsewhere.

I know I have the unfortunate tendency to slip into negative territory a bit too often, so that's why I was offering to leave. I can't really think of anyone else besides myself (and the people complaining about the dissing of Daniel in other threads) who was negative here, so I figured you were talking about me. I don't want to stay if I don't have anything positive to contribute...and certainly not if other people feel this way.

[madaboutdanny]

I don't want to keep beating this like a dead horse because again I don't want to bring any more negativity to the thread... but what you (Deeds) said about people being negative here is why I've thought about leaving. I can't remember many people posting here negatively. The only things I can remember in the past year or 6 months is people complaining about negative things said about Daniel in other threads. I remember people posting here how they hate the "action Jackson" nickname that people in other threads are using and some of the criticisms against him.

Which, fair enough, you are allowed to be annoyed about. But if they do annoy you, then maybe it would be best to just visit this "safe haven" and not poke around in the threads where Daniel is dissed (offhand I know of only one...not sure if there are others). That way we can talk about all of Daniel's positive qualities and just "tune out" the negative things said elsewhere.

I know I have the unfortunate tendency to slip into negative territory a bit too often, so that's why I was offering to leave. I can't really think of anyone else besides myself (and the people complaining about the dissing of Daniel in other threads) who was negative here, so I figured you were talking about me. I don't want to stay if I don't have anything positive to contribute...and certainly not if other people feel this way.
Jess, is not just that thread, I never go there, too scary...the fact is that almost everytime there is a discussion on last 2 season, or even the 8 and 7 -not to mention season 6- there is ALLWAYS someone that start to diss Daniel and how he changed...the action Jackson....too much Vala...how Jonas was much better than him..........Whatb I have to do? I have to stay forever just on MS/D thread? I don't think so! Sometimes I cant' help myself and I have to answer to certain post!!! I don't wanna hide my love for Daniel, otherwise this will become more and more a forum about Jack and Sam or J/S, and I'm pretty bored to read allways the same entusiastic comments about the same characters....Sometimes I wonder if Daniel, after all, was in Sg1 :S
To me Sg1 is, first and foremost, Daniel, then J/D and in the end Jack. Now is too late for me but tomorrow evening I'll post my 2 cents about Action Jackson :)

[JessM]

Oh, sorry about that, Mad... I didn't know that people were dissing Daniel in other threads. I thought it was just the anti-season 10 thread. I don't go into too many other threads, so I guess I don't see it much. But if it is showing up in other threads that you like to visit, I can see how it would upset you. I think it is important not to back down from your love of Daniel. Stand up and be proud that you're a Daniel fan. :daniel: I used to belong to a site where most loved Jack and Sam and J/S, and I was not happy that people didn't like me being a fan of Daniel. I had to leave the site because it wasn't fun for me anymore.

[MerryK]

Oh, sorry about that, Mad... I didn't know that people were dissing Daniel in other threads. I thought it was just the anti-season 10 thread. I don't go into too many other threads, so I guess I don't see it much. But if it is showing up in other threads that you like to visit, I can see how it would upset you. I think it is important not to back down from your love of Daniel. Stand up and be proud that you're a Daniel fan. :daniel: I used to belong to a site where most loved Jack and Sam and J/S, and I was not happy that people didn't like me being a fan of Daniel. I had to leave the site because it wasn't fun for me anymore.

I sympathize...and it's not just Daniel either. Just try being a fan of the Tok'ra. ;) It just seems like there are certain things which are generally approved of, and anything else gets challenged. There's something like that in every fandom, and I usually end up on the side that's not-so-approved.

[discodiva]

Which, fair enough, you are allowed to be annoyed about. But if they do annoy you, then maybe it would be best to just visit this "safe haven" and not poke around in the threads where Daniel is dissed (offhand I know of only one...not sure if there are others). That way we can talk about all of Daniel's positive qualities and just "tune out" the negative things said elsewhere.


I do consider this a safe haven yes.....but if I'm being completely honest then yes, I sort of felt that a couple of your posts have leant slightly towards the negative and I didn't enjoy seeing them on a Daniel Appreciation thread.....but that's just my own personal feelings....:o.....maybe I'm a tad naive to want completely "positive" stuff on this thread alone.....I probably am....and in no way would I want you to leave...(((hugs))) ....I definitely have NO desire to visit any of the Anti-threads or the general threads where the SG characters are discussed in full because of my feelings about the treatment of Daniel on GW....:(

Don't worry Jess...there are just 3 threads now that I visit, and very sporadically.....In fact now that the Vancouver Con is over, I'll be reconsidering my participation very carefully on any thread on Gateworld over the next few days.....:(....I stayed mainly for my old friends on the J/D thread, for the new ones I met in Vancouver and to post a link to my pics when they went up on ms-online....I got interested in this thread again because it was nice to see it up and running again with more people on here.....:daniel:


Good luck with the support of Daniel guys........I believe he's worth it, I do still believe he gets a rough deal here for someone who imho is the heart and soul of the SGC........I think being a fan of his is sometimes a bit like his life - a very tough ride.....:(


Deeds xx

[MaeveBran]

Good luck with the support of Daniel guys........I believe he's worth it, I do still believe he gets a rough deal here for someone who imho is the heart and soul of the SGC........I think being a fan of his is sometimes a bit like his life - a very tough ride.....:(


Deeds xx

Daniel is the heart and soul of the SGC. It won't exist without him. In fact in realities where he isn't working for the Stargate program, Earth is in serious trouble. It just isn't Stargate without him. (Although I like Jonas, the SGC was missing something that year. The spark was gone out of the place when their Archeologist is missing.)

[JessM]

I sympathize...and it's not just Daniel either. Just try being a fan of the Tok'ra. ;) It just seems like there are certain things which are generally approved of, and anything else gets challenged. There's something like that in every fandom, and I usually end up on the side that's not-so-approved.

Oh, I know how that is too. Bad enough the poor Tok'ra haven't been heard from in ages on the show itself... ;) I know exactly what you mean - don't forget this is a S/D shipper talking, lol! But in my 5 and a half years in the fandom I think I'm learning which places are generally good not just for my shipping preferences but for my character preferences, and I try to stick to those as often as I can.


I do consider this a safe haven yes.....but if I'm being completely honest then yes, I sort of felt that a couple of your posts have leant slightly towards the negative and I didn't enjoy seeing them on a Daniel Appreciation thread.....but that's just my own personal feelings....:o.....maybe I'm a tad naive to want completely "positive" stuff on this thread alone.....I probably am....and in no way would I want you to leave...(((hugs))) ....I definitely have NO desire to visit any of the Anti-threads or the general threads where the SG characters are discussed in full because of my feelings about the treatment of Daniel on GW....:(

Don't worry Jess...there are just 3 threads now that I visit, and very sporadically.....In fact now that the Vancouver Con is over, I'll be reconsidering my participation very carefully on any thread on Gateworld over the next few days.....:(....I stayed mainly for my old friends on the J/D thread, for the new ones I met in Vancouver and to post a link to my pics when they went up on ms-online....I got interested in this thread again because it was nice to see it up and running again with more people on here.....:daniel:


Good luck with the support of Daniel guys........I believe he's worth it, I do still believe he gets a rough deal here for someone who imho is the heart and soul of the SGC........I think being a fan of his is sometimes a bit like his life - a very tough ride.....:(


Deeds xx

Deeds, I hope you don't think that I or anyone else would want you to leave GW at all. You clearly have fun on the J/D thread and if it brings you joy then you should stay. I'd hate to think that I am making this a miserable place for you. :( But if I am then say the word and I will leave. It's not that I want you to leave so I can proclaim this thread mine and think that I've "won" or anything like that... If it makes you happy then I'll either leave or I'll bite my tongue and refrain from saying anything that could be perceived as negative about Daniel. But I will not lie and say things that I don't believe in... that's just how I am. I am quite content to talk about the positive things that I love about Daniel but if certain things bother me I'll just keep them to myself. Are you okay with that?

But what I was saying before about not visiting places that make you unhappy... if you want to stay on the threads, can't you just put the specific posters on "ignore" if you don't like what they have to say?

And now I will shut up... so, something positive about Daniel... hmmmm.... Well, I love it when he goes into "research" mode and starts babbling away about something. Being a scientist myself I can relate when you find something that excites you so. :P

[discodiva]

For those of you who don't frequent the DJ/MS Thunk Thread any more, a far better by a thousand times than I could ever do, Con Report from ms-online.....

http://www.michaelshanks-online.com/conventions/2008_vancouver_creation.shtml


Read it and enjoy, it's great....trust me *whispers* I got a sneaky peek before it went up a couple of days ago....;)


Deeds xx

[Suebsg9]

For those of you who don't frequent the DJ/MS Thunk Thread any more, a far better by a thousand times than I could ever do, Con Report from ms-online.....

http://www.michaelshanks-online.com/conventions/2008_vancouver_creation.shtml


Read it and enjoy, it's great....trust me *whispers* I got a sneaky peek before it went up a couple of days ago....;)


Deeds xx


it is a great read I agree with you on that :) pics are great and the panal just sounds like a hoot!!!:)

[MaeveBran]

it is a great read I agree with you on that :) pics are great and the panal just sounds like a hoot!!!:)

Oh it was. I ruined more pictures laughing than I managed to actually get good ones.=)

[Sprinkles]

For those of you who don't frequent the DJ/MS Thunk Thread any more, a far better by a thousand times than I could ever do, Con Report from ms-online.....

http://www.michaelshanks-online.com/conventions/2008_vancouver_creation.shtml


Read it and enjoy, it's great....trust me *whispers* I got a sneaky peek before it went up a couple of days ago....;)


Deeds xx

Honestly that report is so hilarious! You can just imagine being there, Michael is very funny :). The people at Ms-Online did a wonderful job, thank you very much :)

[jdjunkie]

For those of you who don't frequent the DJ/MS Thunk Thread any more, a far better by a thousand times than I could ever do, Con Report from ms-online.....

http://www.michaelshanks-online.com/conventions/2008_vancouver_creation.shtml


Read it and enjoy, it's great....trust me *whispers* I got a sneaky peek before it went up a couple of days ago....;)


Deeds xx

The man gives good con. :)

I still haven't recovered from the time he called me "baby" at French City Con, lo those years ago. :D

[discodiva]

The man gives good con. :)

I still haven't recovered from the time he called me "baby" at French City Con, lo those years ago. :D



Oooo you lucky thing you!....;)


Maybe he'll call you something like that again next month....:P


I love this answer re: Daniel.....


My favorite line to say? (he thinks) "I have no idea." That's my favorite Daniel Jackson line, because it embodies that perplexed look on his face all the time and kind of embodies who I am as a person as well, so... (laughter)... "I have no idea".


A very good friend of mine on Live Journal said something so true the other day.....she said that, and again I quote....


Michael knows what's best for Daniel and it's not up to us to tell him what Daniel should or shouldn't be.


I sooo agree with this.....others may not but I think that the man who's been playing him for the past 10 years - or 11 if we count the films and this new season's Atlantis - should have a pretty clear view of what Daniel would be comfortable in his own skin with....:daniel:


She also had some other great things to say on the "maturation" of Daniel but I'll leave those as they are her thoughts......the one thing that she is though, is a darn fine writer who writes a strong, believable Daniel with faults but an over-riding sense of fairness and compassion.....which is how it should be imho.....:D


Deeds xx

[JessM]

I have to admit that was a great con report :D Sounds like MS was really in his element/on his game at this con. I really enjoyed reading it... oh, and, ahem, looking at the pics too of course ;)

[discodiva]

Looks like we'll be having LOADS to discuss about Daniel's character after Continuum airs.....short snippet of an interview with Michael Shanks here.....


BEWARE THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED RE CONTINUUM...


http://www.gateworld.net/news/2008/05/icontinuumi_shows_different_side.shtml


I've seen the latest pics and I CANNOT WAIT for this film now!!!.....:daniel:


Deeds xx

[iolanda]

Oh, me neither. That last pic is SO great. The expressions on their faces - Sams hand - and the

wheelchair. All this desperate feeling. This film must be good!

[MerryK]

Oh, I agree! Given the subject matter, you know we'll get lots of meaty Daniel scenes—probably more angst than snark. I'm afraid I'll be disappointed in this movie because it looks so good that I can't imagine it living up to all the spoilers/pictures/trailers.

[JessM]

Yeah, I have to admit I'm looking forward to this movie... interested in seeing just how Daniel is affected by what is expected to befall him. And the promo pics do look amazing :D

[Sprinkles]

Continuum Speculation...

SPOILERS!

I watched the new 'Return of Rcihard Dean Anderson' vid over at the MGM home page http://stargate.mgm.com/sg1/ and after watching it I was wondering...

The part where Daniel and Jack are talking (squeee! btw :D) it looks like it should be around the time Daniel would have had his leg amputated :( however the team don't look particually distressed and Daniel looks reasonably upbeat and heathy (pretty too :)). Actually he is not even in scrubs....

so it is reasonable to assume this is before he has to have his leg removed?

just curious to anyone thoughts :)

[Sprinkles]

Looks like we'll be having LOADS to discuss about Daniel's character after Continuum airs.....short snippet of an interview with Michael Shanks here.....


BEWARE THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED RE CONTINUUM...


http://www.gateworld.net/news/2008/05/icontinuumi_shows_different_side.shtml


I've seen the latest pics and I CANNOT WAIT for this film now!!!.....:daniel:


Deeds xx

Thats such an emotive shot.

I really am so looking forward to this :D although I feel like I've been waiting for this movie to come out for EVER lol

[madaboutdanny]

Continuum Speculation...

SPOILERS!

I watched the new 'Return of Rcihard Dean Anderson' vid over at the MGM home page http://stargate.mgm.com/sg1/ and after watching it I was wondering...

The part where Daniel and Jack are talking (squeee! btw :D) it looks like it should be around the time Daniel would have had his leg amputated :( however the team don't look particually distressed and Daniel looks reasonably upbeat and heathy (pretty too :)). Actually he is not even in scrubs....

so it is reasonable to assume this is before he has to have his leg removed?

just curious to anyone thoughts :)
Oh yes, absolutely....
My mom, a years ago, has had a leg amputated, but it took a while to reach that point, the doctors have tried everything before that, so I'm 99,99% sure that that scene it's before, very before.

[Callista]

Continuum Speculation...

SPOILERS!

I watched the new 'Return of Rcihard Dean Anderson' vid over at the MGM home page http://stargate.mgm.com/sg1/ and after watching it I was wondering...

The part where Daniel and Jack are talking (squeee! btw :D) it looks like it should be around the time Daniel would have had his leg amputated :( however the team don't look particually distressed and Daniel looks reasonably upbeat and heathy (pretty too :)). Actually he is not even in scrubs....

so it is reasonable to assume this is before he has to have his leg removed?

just curious to anyone thoughts :)

It looked to me like maybe they were still on the submarine or a boat so he wouldn't have had it amputated yet. Also, it appears that in the other little snippet Jack is just meeting Daniel right then and they're in the same room, so it must be before.

[heliosphere]

Anyone who frequents livejournal have suggestions for daniel ship or slash friendly fanfic communities? I just joined up there and I'm just totally overwhelmed, so I thought I'd hit up my favorite character threads at GW for some ideas. Thanks! I've already found the general stargate newsletter and jackslashdaniel so far.

[discodiva]

Anyone who frequents livejournal have suggestions for daniel ship or slash friendly fanfic communities? I just joined up there and I'm just totally overwhelmed, so I thought I'd hit up my favorite character threads at GW for some ideas. Thanks! I've already found the general stargate newsletter and jackslashdaniel so far.


The SG-1 Five Things Community is fun too.....some great little drabbles there of all ships....:jack::daniel::sam::tealc::cameron::vala:


http://community.livejournal.com/sg1_five_things/


E.T.A...I see you already have it on your profile.....:)

Have friended you if that's ok?.....:)


Deeds xx

[heliosphere]

Yeah, I just added that five things to my prof a little while ago. It looks like a nice place to start. And I'm happy to have you add me! It's one thing to just follow links over there to read fic, but I'm discovering it's a whole other ball game for actually participating and building your friend list and joining communities.

When I typed in Daniel Jackson in their search area, I had a ton of results. That's way to much to try and sort though to see which ones suit me.

[Frostfox]

Anyone who frequents livejournal have suggestions for daniel ship or slash friendly fanfic communities? I just joined up there and I'm just totally overwhelmed, so I thought I'd hit up my favorite character threads at GW for some ideas. Thanks! I've already found the general stargate newsletter and jackslashdaniel so far.

You really should subscribe to SG1 Debrief, unless that's what you mean by general stargate newsletter? They post weekly lists of Fic/Meta discussions/Press hits/everything and it's great.
There is also a Fic rec community, stargateficrec.

Enjoy, there's lots of good Daniel and J/D on LJ.

FF :nox:

[JessM]

Anyone who frequents livejournal have suggestions for daniel ship or slash friendly fanfic communities? I just joined up there and I'm just totally overwhelmed, so I thought I'd hit up my favorite character threads at GW for some ideas. Thanks! I've already found the general stargate newsletter and jackslashdaniel so far.

I agree w/Deeds, the Five Things Community is a great place. There is also a community for team fic (gen) that is nice... I can't remember the url, but it's a good one.

Here is a community for Daniel/Sam if you're interested: http://community.livejournal.com/samdanshippers

I also have a community dedicated to early Daniel from S1-3ish called The Golden Boy:
http://community.livejournal.com/classic_daniel/

It's Daniel friendly for ship and slash. There has been some Daniel/Sha're fic as well as a music vid posted there already, and a Jack/Daniel music vid.

[eliteaceman]

So i was reading up on IMDB.... and Daniel Jackson was in 196 SG1's and 3 Atlantis Episodes!!

199 all together! I wonder if he ever realised he was 1 short of 200!

[MerryK]

So i was reading up on IMDB.... and Daniel Jackson was in 196 SG1's and 3 Atlantis Episodes!!

199 all together! I wonder if he ever realised he was 1 short of 200!

Ooh, that is a shame...

[EvenstarSRV]

Oh cool, there is a Daniel discussion thread! I've seen the thunk one and the ship ones, but I couldn't find a discussion one. Yay. :)

Daniel is one of my favorite Stargate characters, though I must admit that I liked him more in the early seasons than the later ones (and was rather disappointed with his Atlantis episodes this season). I still like him though!! :o :daniel:

Anyway, just wanted to say I'm glad I finally found this thread. I'm still finding my way around GW, it can be a rather confusing place. :S :)

[MerryK]

Oh cool, there is a Daniel discussion thread! I've seen the thunk one and the ship ones, but I couldn't find a discussion one. Yay. :)

Daniel is one of my favorite Stargate characters, though I must admit that I liked him more in the early seasons than the later ones (and was rather disappointed with his Atlantis episodes this season). I still like him though!! :o :daniel:

Anyway, just wanted to say I'm glad I finally found this thread. I'm still finding my way around GW, it can be a rather confusing place. :S :)

GW is a bit confusing...I finally had to limit myself to a certain amount of threads because there were too many to follow.

Unfortunately there isn't much going on in here, but I'd love it if there were. Any discussion topics you have in mind?

Good Man (http://www.alldanielfic.com/viewstory.php?sid=763) by Random is an awesome look at who Daniel is; who he's always been, and who he is after he's changed a little. It's not happy go lucky, but it felt very satisfying and true to me.

[EvenstarSRV]

GW is a bit confusing...I finally had to limit myself to a certain amount of threads because there were too many to follow.

Unfortunately there isn't much going on in here, but I'd love it if there were. Any discussion topics you have in mind?

Good Man (http://www.alldanielfic.com/viewstory.php?sid=763) by Random is an awesome look at who Daniel is; who he's always been, and who he is after he's changed a little. It's not happy go lucky, but it felt very satisfying and true to me.

Thanks for the fic rec! :)

Well, the main reason I wanted to find a Daniel Discussion thread was because of how disappointed I was with some aspects of Daniel's characterization in the Atlantis two-parter this season. I really enjoyed most of his appearance, like figuring out where Janus's lab was and discovering the lost Asgard tribe.

But there were a couple of moments where he felt really out of character to me, like when he seemed to complain to McKay that he was used to being ridiculed for his theories. I know they were probably referencing the archaeological community's dismissal of his theories, but I had the impression that Daniel has kept basically no contact with those academics since he joined the Stargate program. He's spent the past 10 odd years working with a group of people who implicitly trust his theories, so it just seemed so strange that he'd now complain about being used to people not believing him.

I was really looking forward to seeing Daniel on Atlantis, but came away a bit disappointed because of how off his characterization seemed to me at times. And, well I guess now I'm wondering if I've missed something somewhere that would help me understand why Daniel would currently feel he's used to his theories not being trusted.

[madaboutdanny]

Thanks for the fic rec! :)

Well, the main reason I wanted to find a Daniel Discussion thread was because of how disappointed I was with some aspects of Daniel's characterization in the Atlantis two-parter this season. I really enjoyed most of his appearance, like figuring out where Janus's lab was and discovering the lost Asgard tribe.

But there were a couple of moments where he felt really out of character to me, like when he seemed to complain to McKay that he was used to being ridiculed for his theories. I know they were probably referencing the archaeological community's dismissal of his theories, but I had the impression that Daniel has kept basically no contact with those academics since he joined the Stargate program. He's spent the past 10 odd years working with a group of people who implicitly trust his theories, so it just seemed so strange that he'd now complain about being used to people not believing him.

I was really looking forward to seeing Daniel on Atlantis, but came away a bit disappointed because of how off his characterization seemed to me at times. And, well I guess now I'm wondering if I've missed something somewhere that would help me understand why Daniel would currently feel he's used to his theories not being trusted.
I think you read too much in that line, he was clearly referencing at the archaeological community before he joined Stargate Program. I loved him in Atlantis, he showed us how much confident he is with himself and the others, even with an egomaniac like Rodney, and with his ideas or theorys, just one thing I found a little OC, he was a little bit too cheerful, but hey! it was DanielDisneyland!

[MerryK]

But there were a couple of moments where he felt really out of character to me, like when he seemed to complain to McKay that he was used to being ridiculed for his theories. I know they were probably referencing the archaeological community's dismissal of his theories, but I had the impression that Daniel has kept basically no contact with those academics since he joined the Stargate program. He's spent the past 10 odd years working with a group of people who implicitly trust his theories, so it just seemed so strange that he'd now complain about being used to people not believing him.

Daniel did come in contact with his old colleagues at least once in "The Curse", so that was a reminder. But I think he was mostly referring to how all those experiences made him used to rejection, even if it doesn't happen as much. It certainly shapes his character.


I loved him in Atlantis, he showed us how much confident he is with himself and the others, even with an egomaniac like Rodney, and with his ideas or theorys, just one thing I found a little OC, he was a little bit too cheerful, but hey! it was DanielDisneyland!

Why wouldn't Daniel be cheerful at that point? There are no galactic enemies to fight, so presumably he gets to explore and study whatever he wants. Even after all that's happened in his life, I'd think that that would make him happy.

[madaboutdanny]

Why wouldn't Daniel be cheerful at that point? There are no galactic enemies to fight, so presumably he gets to explore and study whatever he wants. Even after all that's happened in his life, I'd think that that would make him happy.

I said a "little bit too".

[MerryK]

I said a "little bit too".

Could that be explained by something shippy in his life? Not going to say what, since there are so many possibilities and candidates, but he seemed a bit honeymoon-ish to me.

[madaboutdanny]

Could that be explained by something shippy in his life? Not going to say what, since there are so many possibilities and candidates, but he seemed a bit honeymoon-ish to me.

I like that! Wait..what candidates! I can think 2 of them at most, Vala and JacK:P Who else?

[EvenstarSRV]

I think you read too much in that line, he was clearly referencing at the archaeological community before he joined Stargate Program. I loved him in Atlantis, he showed us how much confident he is with himself and the others, even with an egomaniac like Rodney, and with his ideas or theorys, just one thing I found a little OC, he was a little bit too cheerful, but hey! it was DanielDisneyland!


Daniel did come in contact with his old colleagues at least once in "The Curse", so that was a reminder. But I think he was mostly referring to how all those experiences made him used to rejection, even if it doesn't happen as much. It certainly shapes his character.


But I felt that all those experiences that happened in the academic community that made him used to being doubted and ridiculed happened over a decade ago. Since then he's worked intensively with a group of people who trust him implicitly, so I'd say for a majority of his professional life he's worked with people who have not ridiculed his theories, but rather have depended on his theories to save their lives.

I guess I just felt that at this point in his life, where he's obviously a highly valued member of the SGC and has accomplished so many things in the program, he wouldn't still be so bothered by his previous rejection by the academic community. Yes he was reminded of it in The Curse, but even then he seemed content that he knew the truth, so Steven's jabs at his theories were meaningless. And in Heroes he told Bregman that it didn't matter if he was right or not, compared with the scope of the truth, so I don't see why Daniel would care about the academic community's opinion of him, since he knows the truth and that is what really matters to him. The caring about being 'right' seemed more like a Mckay thing (re Brainstorm) than a Daniel thing.

I would think that by now and with everything he's experienced, he'd be far more used to being trusted than not trusted, so that's why that line rang false to me, but maybe I am reading too much into it. :S

[madaboutdanny]

But I felt that all those experiences that happened in the academic community that made him used to being doubted and ridiculed happened over a decade ago. Since then he's worked intensively with a group of people who trust him implicitly, so I'd say for a majority of his professional life he's worked with people who have not ridiculed his theories, but rather have depended on his theories to save their lives.

I guess I just felt that at this point in his life, where he's obviously a highly valued member of the SGC and has accomplished so many things in the program, he wouldn't still be so bothered by his previous rejection by the academic community. Yes he was reminded of it in The Curse, but even then he seemed content that he knew the truth, so Steven's jabs at his theories were meaningless. And in Heroes he told Bregman that it didn't matter if he was right or not, compared with the scope of the truth, so I don't see why Daniel would care about the academic community's opinion of him, since he knows the truth and that is what really matters to him. The caring about being 'right' seemed more like a Mckay thing (re Brainstorm) than a Daniel thing.

I would think that by now and with everything he's experienced, he'd be far more used to being trusted than not trusted, so that's why that line rang false to me, but maybe I am reading too much into it. :S
I don't think he cares, it was a simple answer to a Rodney question, a statement of a fact, nothing more.

[MerryK]

I would think that by now and with everything he's experienced, he'd be far more used to being trusted than not trusted, so that's why that line rang false to me, but maybe I am reading too much into it. :S

I don't think you forget completely that kind of treatment, especially after only ten years. And I think it started before his professional life, too, with his personal experiences as a child.


I like that! Wait..what candidates! I can think 2 of them at most, Vala and JacK:P Who else?

Sam and Cam (though I don't particularly ship that, it certainly exists as a ship).

[EvenstarSRV]

I don't think you forget completely that kind of treatment, especially after only ten years. And I think it started before his professional life, too, with his personal experiences as a child.


True, I guess I remember Daniel usually referring to his experience with the academic community in a more joking manner, like his quip in The Curse that the lecture hall was full when he started, so his more serious/earnest tone in this scene kinda threw me.

I just didn't get the impression that he would still be that bothered by it, especially in the middle of an exciting new discovery beyond those academics wildest dreams, and that his own knowledge of the truth would overshadow stuff like that, kinda like what he said in Heroes.

But thanks for presenting another interpretation of the scene, I'm really glad I found this thread. :)

[MerryK]

True, I guess I remember Daniel usually referring to his experience with the academic community in a more joking manner, like his quip in The Curse that the lecture hall was full when he started, so his more serious/earnest tone in this scene kinda threw me.

I just didn't get the impression that he would still be that bothered by it, especially in the middle of an exciting new discovery beyond those academics wildest dreams, and that his own knowledge of the truth would overshadow stuff like that, kinda like what he said in Heroes.

But thanks for presenting another interpretation of the scene, I'm really glad I found this thread. :)

I actually agree mostly, I don't think he usually looks back on it with that serious of an outlook. It's like a friend of mine who lost his wife a while ago, and can now honestly share funny stories about their time together, but that doesn't affect the seriousness of the loss. I think Daniel's self-aware to know that his past does affect him, that's all.

I'm glad you brought it up too...I didn't think to read anything into that line other than basic information-giving.

[EvenstarSRV]

I actually agree mostly, I don't think he usually looks back on it with that serious of an outlook. It's like a friend of mine who lost his wife a while ago, and can now honestly share funny stories about their time together, but that doesn't affect the seriousness of the loss. I think Daniel's self-aware to know that his past does affect him, that's all.

I'm glad you brought it up too...I didn't think to read anything into that line other than basic information-giving.

I agree the line was probably meant just as information-giving, but to me it felt like such unnecessary information to give at that moment, that I found myself looking for some other meaning behind it.

On the bright side, I caught a rerun of Grace today, and I just love Sam's hallucination of Daniel. 'Seize the Moment!' 'Space born alien entity'. :)

I thought it was cool and quite appropriate that Sam sees Daniel as the inner voice that helps her keep her mind open to all possibilities, and to stay true to her own desire to discover and explore new things.

[MerryK]

On the bright side, I caught a rerun of Grace today, and I just love Sam's hallucination of Daniel. 'Seize the Moment!' 'Space born alien entity'. :)

I thought it was cool and quite appropriate that Sam sees Daniel as the inner voice that helps her keep her mind open to all possibilities, and to stay true to her own desire to discover and explore new things.

Very cool indeed. :) And I love how Daniel is just slightly annoying to her in her head...adds a whole layer of realism to their relationship. In fact, I like all the not-Daniels we see in the series, and how they enhance our idea of canon-Daniel. The one in Moebius, for instance, is a favorite of mine, and the various "dark sides" of Daniel under sarcophagus or harcesis influences are fascinating.

[EvenstarSRV]

Very cool indeed. :) And I love how Daniel is just slightly annoying to her in her head...adds a whole layer of realism to their relationship. In fact, I like all the not-Daniels we see in the series, and how they enhance our idea of canon-Daniel. The one in Moebius, for instance, is a favorite of mine, and the various "dark sides" of Daniel under sarcophagus or harcesis influences are fascinating.

Yeah, Sam did find Daniel to be a little annoying "This is helping??" Nice touch of realism even when's he's a hallucination. :)

Oh yes, I adored Moebius Daniel as well, and how he and Sam worked together to figure out where the stargate was located. Though since my Stargate viewing has been completely out of order, it wasn't until I finally saw Solitudes that I realized the seismic activity method they use to find the stargate was a sort of call-back to what Daniel did in Solitudes to find the second gate. :o

The darker Daniel in Absolute Power was also quite interesting, since even though the harcesis influence led him to do terrible things, I think at the core of it his intentions were still to do good, protect Earth from the Goa'uld. And I think Shifu helped Daniel to see that the ends may not always justify the means, and that the path to defeat the Goa'uld did not run through the information he could provide because of the evil also in his mind.

[Khentkawes]

Wow, an actual discussion thread instead of just another thunk thread. Who knew? ;)


I agree the line was probably meant just as information-giving, but to me it felt like such unnecessary information to give at that moment, that I found myself looking for some other meaning behind it.

On the bright side, I caught a rerun of Grace today, and I just love Sam's hallucination of Daniel. 'Seize the Moment!' 'Space born alien entity'. :)

I thought it was cool and quite appropriate that Sam sees Daniel as the inner voice that helps her keep her mind open to all possibilities, and to stay true to her own desire to discover and explore new things.

I'm so glad someone brought this up. I caught part of Grace yesterday too. But it always kind of irritates me when I watch it. Sam's hallucination of Daniel seems a bit over-the-top. It's the kind of behavior that Jack would probably describe as "flaky." And it just doesn't sound like Daniel to me. I realize it's Sam's hallucination, but it seems like she thinks of Daniel more as he was in season 1 or 2, rather than how he is now.

I guess I'm still not sure what to make of it (but then again, the whole episode is that way for me, so I don't watch it very often).

Oh, and EvenstarSRV, I do agree that there was something "off" about Daniel in that Atlantis two-parter. I wasn't bothered by the one line you mentioned, but the whole performance felt a little strange to me, and I'm still not sure why. *shrug* But just to reassure you that you weren't the only one who thought Daniel was acting a little strangely.

[EvenstarSRV]

Wow, an actual discussion thread instead of just another thunk thread. Who knew? ;)

Heh, I was happy to find this thread too, since I don't really care to much for thunk threads but I love discussions.


I'm so glad someone brought this up. I caught part of Grace yesterday too. But it always kind of irritates me when I watch it. Sam's hallucination of Daniel seems a bit over-the-top. It's the kind of behavior that Jack would probably describe as "flaky." And it just doesn't sound like Daniel to me. I realize it's Sam's hallucination, but it seems like she thinks of Daniel more as he was in season 1 or 2, rather than how he is now.

I guess I'm still not sure what to make of it (but then again, the whole episode is that way for me, so I don't watch it very often).

Grace is one of my favorite episodes, and one thing I keep in mind when watching it is that since Sam is hallucinating everyone, I think it made sense that Daniel's characterization was a bit exaggerated but still had touches of realism. I think Teal'c, O'neill, and Jacob's characterizations were also slightly exaggerated in various ways for the same reason.

I think as much as Daniel has changed over the years, in her mind Sam probably still sees him as sort of symbolizing the true explorer's spirit, eager to discover and study new things. I saw the Daniel hallucination as an exaggeration of those aspects, which helped encourage Sam to investigate the cloud more, which ultimately helped open her mind enough to save herself and the crew.

I could go on about the episode, but it'd be a bit off-topic for this thread. :o


Oh, and EvenstarSRV, I do agree that there was something "off" about Daniel in that Atlantis two-parter. I wasn't bothered by the one line you mentioned, but the whole performance felt a little strange to me, and I'm still not sure why. *shrug* But just to reassure you that you weren't the only one who thought Daniel was acting a little strangely.

Thanks, that is good to know. I still enjoyed the episodes and Daniel's part in them, but I was kinda left feeling like he could have been used better. Yes he discovered Janus's lab and tried to reason with the rogue Asgard, but McKay did pretty much everything involved with turning on then turning off the Attero device.

I kinda wish Daniel's efforts to reason with the Asgard had worked or maybe he'd have to translate something to help McKay turn the device off. Instead, he came across more as just someone for McKay to play off of. :(

Sigh, on that note, Happy New Year!! :)

[MerryK]

Thanks, that is good to know. I still enjoyed the episodes and Daniel's part in them, but I was kinda left feeling like he could have been used better. Yes he discovered Janus's lab and tried to reason with the rogue Asgard, but McKay did pretty much everything involved with turning on then turning off the Attero device.

I kinda wish Daniel's efforts to reason with the Asgard had worked or maybe he'd have to translate something to help McKay turn the device off. Instead, he came across more as just someone for McKay to play off of. :(

Have to admit, though, I literally squeed when Daniel was all "Let's negotiate with them." He lost a bit of that diplomacy when they had to deal with the ruthlessness of the Ori, so I was glad to see it was still an essential part of who he was.

[Khentkawes]

Have to admit, though, I literally squeed when Daniel was all "Let's negotiate with them." He lost a bit of that diplomacy when they had to deal with the ruthlessness of the Ori, so I was glad to see it was still an essential part of who he was.

I had the same kind of "squee" moment at that point, but for a slightly different reason. I tend to think that Daniel always would prefer to negotiate, and the only reason he was "less talk and more action" with the Ori was because of his initial encounter with the Ori at Celestus. That encounter pretty much convinced him that they were evil and could not be negotiated with. It was a pretty dramatic scene, and I think that first-hand knowledge of the Ori influenced everything he did afterwards.

...But back to the "squee" moment in Atlantis... I was just so happy to see someone, anyone, propose talking instead of blowing stuff up. Honestly, Daniel's perspective of "let's negotiate" is almost entirely absent from Atlantis. And it's one of the things I miss when I watch Atlantis. It's also one of the things that makes Daniel different from pretty much every other character in Stargate. When confronted with something new and quite possibly dangerous, he still wants to understand it. So, yeah, Daniel-the-negotiator was definitely a welcome addition to Lost Tribe.

EDIT: Oh, and I agree that Daniel was basically there as someone for McKay to banter with. Daniel really didn't do much of anything. But he did have some really funny lines. :D

[EvenstarSRV]

I had the same kind of "squee" moment at that point, but for a slightly different reason. I tend to think that Daniel always would prefer to negotiate, and the only reason he was "less talk and more action" with the Ori was because of his initial encounter with the Ori at Celestus. That encounter pretty much convinced him that they were evil and could not be negotiated with. It was a pretty dramatic scene, and I think that first-hand knowledge of the Ori influenced everything he did afterwards.

...But back to the "squee" moment in Atlantis... I was just so happy to see someone, anyone, propose talking instead of blowing stuff up. Honestly, Daniel's perspective of "let's negotiate" is almost entirely absent from Atlantis. And it's one of the things I miss when I watch Atlantis. It's also one of the things that makes Daniel different from pretty much every other character in Stargate. When confronted with something new and quite possibly dangerous, he still wants to understand it. So, yeah, Daniel-the-negotiator was definitely a welcome addition to Lost Tribe.


I was very happy to see Daniel trying to reason with the Asgard too, I just wish his efforts had played some part in resolving the problem of the Attero device. I would have loved to see them really make use of Daniel's unique skills and resolve the problem through negotiations, instead of some last minute scientific fix by McKay.

I didn't mind seeing Daniel banter with McKay, I justed wished that those funny lines hadn't come at the expense of allowing Daniel to really contribute to turning off the Attero device.

[discodiva]

Bringing this up again in the hope of encouraging some more Daniel Discussion and Appreciation.....in relation to the convo I've been having recently in the hope that one day a "Daniel Focussed Movie" might happen, I wondered if anyone had any ideas on what sort of role/bad guys/aliens/discovery that Daniel fans would like him to have IF he got to play a major role in the next film.....:daniel:

Or, conversely, how much interaction with Jack might he have (as we're being told by certain quarters that this next SG-1 film is very Jack-centric)....:jack:


Any comments or discussion welcomed - and let's try and keep it positive and appreciative of our favourite Archeologist......I still LOVE my Daniel Jackson in all his Seasons incarnations and appreciate him immensely.....:daniel:



I personally hope that he gets the chance to discover something completely brand new, "lock horns" ethically and morally with Jack (because I think the two actors spark off one another brilliantly when there's a conflict of interests between Jack and Daniel) and get back to his roots in finding a peaceful solution.....:daniel:



Deeds xx

[MerryK]

I personally hope that he gets the chance to discover something completely brand new, "lock horns" ethically and morally with Jack (because I think the two actors spark off one another brilliantly when there's a conflict of interests between Jack and Daniel) and get back to his roots in finding a peaceful solution.....:daniel:

I'd like to see that too, although I'd also like to see him on the same side as Sam. With his darker side in Seasons 9/10, they seemed to drift a little—still great friends, but not allies so much. But I think the Ori finally not being a problem will help restore that relationship, so I'd like to see some Sam/Daniel friendship.

It's hard to say what I hope for without knowing what even the basic plot of the movie is going to be though. :)

[Callista]

Hmmm. I'll have to think about that.

In the series, I'm partial to the "Daniel goes crazy or evil" episodes. Especially like "Legacy" where he pretty much ends up having to save himself from the problem using his amazing deduction skills. I also really like the role he played in "The Quest"....again doing his puzzle-solving thing.

I also tend to prefer it when the whole team is together rather than split into two or more groups. Even though I loved Reckoning where they're all working on the same problem, I like it better when they work together face-to-face. I'd want them to at least be in radio contact with each other most of the time.

So, I guess something like that. Where they're all together or in close proximity working on a common goal but Daniel is perhaps the lead problem solver or even Daniel and Sam both solving a problem by working together high-lighting their similar aptitudes but different expertise.

I'd never turn away some sort of emotional or physical whump that he has to get past in order to solve the problem either if someone wanted to throw that in :P

In regards to Jack, I wouldn't want the kind of "horn-locking" that they had in The Other Side. While I love that episode, I think they're beyond that now as friends. Something more like in The Shroud would suit me, though. Or maybe something like Abyss with the roles reversed since I have Daniel solving a problem but having to get past some personal problem to do it. I wouldn't mind Jack cheering (or egging) him on a bit. Since Teal'c is there he wouldn't let things get too out of hand....he stands up to Jack more now than he did in season 4.

[EvenstarSRV]

Bringing this up again in the hope of encouraging some more Daniel Discussion and Appreciation.....in relation to the convo I've been having recently in the hope that one day a "Daniel Focussed Movie" might happen, I wondered if anyone had any ideas on what sort of role/bad guys/aliens/discovery that Daniel fans would like him to have IF he got to play a major role in the next film.....:daniel:


I think it would be interesting if the rogue Asgard from First Contact/The Lost Tribe were involved in the next movie, since I think they're an enemy that I think all the characters could have good interactions with, plus I'd personally really like to see some follow-up to that storyline.

Daniel has the most obvious connection since he discovered them in Lost Tribe, Jack because of his close relationship with Thor during the series, and Sam because of her history of working closely with them as well. And if perhaps the rogue tribe are threatening the new Jaffa Nation for some reason, Teal'c could have a personal tie-in to the storyline as well.

I think they'd be a pretty neat bad guy for all the characters because they know the 'good' Asgard the best, so there'll be conflict in trying to reconcile themselves to 'bad' Asgard, and Daniel could take the lead in talking to them and trying to get them to change. There could be some conflict between Jack and Daniel on how to deal with the Asgard (talk to them vs. fight them). Jack probably wouldn't take a hard-line against talking to them because he's generally liked the Asgard, but if they're threatening innocent people he might not be as lenient.

Sam could probably work with Daniel in trying to help the Asgard by working on some kind of tech like their suits, so you'd get the classic Sam and Daniel working on a problem together using their respective skills, with Jack potentially egging both on or having some conflict with both, and Teal'c probably providing support to all of them.

[discodiva]

That's an excellent scenario.....I could see myself getting into that one......*looks around to see if any anonymous writers might be looking in on the thread*....;) :P


I was a little disappointed that Daniel's interaction with those Asgards was a little "rushed" in Lost Tribe....I know it had to fit in the time frame of a two-parter and we had the other storyline going on as well - I would have loved to have seen a more detailed and longer speech from Daniel as well as a slightly more "fleshed out" background as to how this lot reconciled their "rogue ideals" with the quintessentially "non-interference" policy of the originals......but it wasn't to be......*sighs*.....:(


But then I ADORE Daniel doing what he does best.....impassioned pleas for the survival of all races, debating the ethics and morals of the Universe and generally being, well, passionate.......and [insert shallow moment here] I get to look at Michael Shanks doing what he does best - acting his little cotton socks off and looking beautiful at the same time.....:o :P


Deeds xx

[discodiva]

Soooooooo.....in the light of the latest rumours......


Spoilers for Stargate Universe follow......


What do we all think about the possibility of Daniel's "cameo" appearance in the first episode of the new series?..:cool:.....do we think he'll have a major part to play in their "predicament" or will he just be there as a sort of "handover", a bit like he and Jack did in Atlantis Rising?.....:jack::daniel:

Of course obviously for me, a very big Daniel fan of more or less everything he does, I'm delighted and hopeful that this comes about.....I hope that he's used sympathetically and that the writers draw on the strengths of his love of exploration, discovery and knowledge of the Stargate universe.....

Or of course he could be the one that presses the "wrong button" and sends them all off into space!!!.....:danielanime05:


Deeds xx

[poundpuppy29]

Soooooooo.....in the light of the latest rumours......


Spoilers for Stargate Universe follow......


What do we all think about the possibility of Daniel's "cameo" appearance in the first episode of the new series?..:cool:.....do we think he'll have a major part to play in their "predicament" or will he just be there as a sort of "handover", a bit like he and Jack did in Atlantis Rising?.....:jack::daniel:

Of course obviously for me, a very big Daniel fan of more or less everything he does, I'm delighted and hopeful that this comes about.....I hope that he's used sympathetically and that the writers draw on the strengths of his love of exploration, discovery and knowledge of the Stargate universe.....

Or of course he could be the one that presses the "wrong button" and sends them all off into space!!!.....:danielanime05:


Deeds xx
LOL I could see that

I am going to watch the first ep now

[Callista]

RE Universe question:I really hope Daniel is in no way responsible for their predicament! The poor guy has enough guilt already. :P
It would be OK, though if Daniel is the guy who figures out the 9th chevron. He's probably been working on that during his
spoiler for the Atlantis ep he was in....I can't remember what it was called.recovery from the zapping. I can't see him just lying around watching TV all that time.

[discodiva]

LOL I could see that

I am going to watch the first ep now


Me too.....I was going to give it a try because I do quite like Robert Carlyle and I feel I should be supporting the "Resident Brit at Bridge Studios"...;)....but now Daniel may well be on board for at least a small part in the beginning of the series I'm not missing it whatever.....and, aside from this very fractured and divisive fandom, I know of quite a few people who could be described as "casual viewers" who are delighted at the possible prospect of seeing a very well loved and respected SG-1 character back to guide them into a new series....:daniel:


Deeds xx

[EvenstarSRV]

Soooooooo.....in the light of the latest rumours......


Spoilers for Stargate Universe follow......


What do we all think about the possibility of Daniel's "cameo" appearance in the first episode of the new series?..:cool:.....do we think he'll have a major part to play in their "predicament" or will he just be there as a sort of "handover", a bit like he and Jack did in Atlantis Rising?.....:jack::daniel:

Of course obviously for me, a very big Daniel fan of more or less everything he does, I'm delighted and hopeful that this comes about.....I hope that he's used sympathetically and that the writers draw on the strengths of his love of exploration, discovery and knowledge of the Stargate universe.....

Or of course he could be the one that presses the "wrong button" and sends them all off into space!!!.....:danielanime05:



I think it's likely that Daniel's role in the SGU premiere will be rather like his and Jack's roles in the SGA premiere, especially since it's said to be a cameo appearance. Kinda like how the Rising had Daniel working with McKay to figure out how to dial Atlantis by finding the 8th chevron, I can see Daniel collaborating with whoever is suppose to be the head SGU scientist to find the 9th chevron and figure out how to dial the Destiny.

Even though it's likely to only be a minor role (and really should be considering the greater importance of establishing the SGU characters), I think it would be very much in keeping with the character's history, since he figured out the 7 chevrons to dial Abydos, then the 8th for Atlantis, so why not the 9th for the Destiny.

[discodiva]

Even though it's likely to only be a minor role (and really should be considering the greater importance of establishing the SGU characters), I think it would be very much in keeping with the character's history, since he figured out the 7 chevrons to dial Abydos, then the 8th for Atlantis, so why not the 9th for the Destiny.


That has a perfect symmetry to it doesn't it?......:daniel:


I'd like that scenario very much.....:jack_new_anime07:


Deeds xx

[Khentkawes]

RE Universe question:I really hope Daniel is in no way responsible for their predicament! The poor guy has enough guilt already. :P
It would be OK, though if Daniel is the guy who figures out the 9th chevron. He's probably been working on that during his
spoiler for the Atlantis ep he was in....I can't remember what it was called.recovery from the zapping. I can't see him just lying around watching TV all that time.

I also don't want Daniel to be responsible for whatever happens to the destiny. Far too often, he's been (often indirectly) responsible for some major alien attack or something. I'd like to think that this time, someone else is to blame for both the attack and for the group getting stranded on the destiny.

On a side note regarding Daniel's appearance in Atlantis... did seem odd to anyone else that they made a big deal about how he got zapped by energy? I mean, granted it could be a serious injury, but I felt like they wrote Daniel a bit out of character as he's telling Rodney that he's not going to make it... and it all seemed like a huge excuse just to ship him back to the SGC. I know there could be serious medical side effects, but the way those side effect were never mentioned and they never really explained what happened to him... it just seemed odd to me. But maybe that's because I'm used to Stargate treating serious injuries as if they can be cured by a good night's sleep. ;)



Even though it's likely to only be a minor role (and really should be considering the greater importance of establishing the SGU characters), I think it would be very much in keeping with the character's history, since he figured out the 7 chevrons to dial Abydos, then the 8th for Atlantis, so why not the 9th for the Destiny.

I agree. And well said. :)

[EvenstarSRV]

On a side note regarding Daniel's appearance in Atlantis... did seem odd to anyone else that they made a big deal about how he got zapped by energy? I mean, granted it could be a serious injury, but I felt like they wrote Daniel a bit out of character as he's telling Rodney that he's not going to make it... and it all seemed like a huge excuse just to ship him back to the SGC. I know there could be serious medical side effects, but the way those side effect were never mentioned and they never really explained what happened to him... it just seemed odd to me. But maybe that's because I'm used to Stargate treating serious injuries as if they can be cured by a good night's sleep. ;)


Re The Lost Tribe
Honestly, I just laughed at that part when Daniel got zapped. He's in a room full of arcing lightning bolts, and while McKay is sensibly crouched low to ground by the console, Daniel is just standing out the open. Surely he should know better than that. :rolleyes:

I agree that Daniel seemed out of character to so quickly tell McKay that he thought he couldn't make it. This from the same guy who once took a staff blast and instead of worrying about himself, focused on covering his team first. Also didn't care for Daniel looking like he was fishing for a compliment from McKay in the infirmary. I'm sure the writers were just trying to be funny, but like most of his 'banter' with McKay, it just fell flat to me. :(

[Khentkawes]

Re The Lost Tribe
Honestly, I just laughed at that part when Daniel got zapped. He's in a room full of arcing lightning bolts, and while McKay is sensibly crouched low to ground by the console, Daniel is just standing out the open. Surely he should know better than that. :rolleyes:

I agree that Daniel seemed out of character to so quickly tell McKay that he thought he couldn't make it. This from the same guy who once took a staff blast and instead of worrying about himself, focused on covering his team first. Also didn't care for Daniel looking like he was fishing for a compliment from McKay in the infirmary. I'm sure the writers were just trying to be funny, but like most of his 'banter' with McKay, it just fell flat to me. :(

First Contact/Lost Tribe spoilers
As much as I enjoyed seeing Daniel, a lot of things seemed off. I don't think Martin Gero has ever written for Daniel's character before, and it was obvious. Daniel's much more resourceful than they gave him credit for (I got tired of him standing around asking McKay questions). And the whole infirmary scene seemed weird... I didn't exactly think Daniel was fishing for a compliment (although now that you mention it, it did kinda sound that way), but it just felt off. I'm not totally sure why. It felt like he was trying to have a bonding experience with McKay, which made no sense. And it's not like Daniel has ever cared what people thought about him before. It's usually McKay who worries about what other people think of him, not Daniel.

[heliosphere]

First Contact/Lost Tribe Spoliers

I have to watch this again, because something seemed odd to me too. And for me, I chalked it up to the fact that I've been watching a lot of early seasons since I only own 1-3 right now. But maybe I'm not the only one thinking this. And part of it is hard, because where does FC/LT take place in the Stargate Chronology? It's after Continuum, right? How far after?

Also, what has Daniel been up to before his appearance on Atlantis? Are they going on missions? Is he able to explore things at a more leisurely pace? I like to envision different scenarios depending on what I'm feeling that day.

[EvenstarSRV]

First Contact/Lost Tribe spoilers
As much as I enjoyed seeing Daniel, a lot of things seemed off. I don't think Martin Gero has ever written for Daniel's character before, and it was obvious. Daniel's much more resourceful than they gave him credit for (I got tired of him standing around asking McKay questions). And the whole infirmary scene seemed weird... I didn't exactly think Daniel was fishing for a compliment (although now that you mention it, it did kinda sound that way), but it just felt off. I'm not totally sure why. It felt like he was trying to have a bonding experience with McKay, which made no sense. And it's not like Daniel has ever cared what people thought about him before. It's usually McKay who worries about what other people think of him, not Daniel.


I think that's exactly what bugged me about both the infirmary scene and the earlier scene when Daniel was talking about how the archaeological community doubted him. I've always seen Daniel as someone extremely confident and self-assured in his abilities and theories, as long as he knew that he was right, it didn't matter who or how many people thought he was wrong.

To see Daniel essentially arguing with McKay about whether or not McKay said that he respected Daniel just felt silly for the character. Surely they could have had a much more interesting conversation about the implications of the rogue Asgard, what else there was to find in Janus's lab, etc.



First Contact/Lost Tribe Spoliers

I have to watch this again, because something seemed odd to me too. And for me, I chalked it up to the fact that I've been watching a lot of early seasons since I only own 1-3 right now. But maybe I'm not the only one thinking this. And part of it is hard, because where does FC/LT take place in the Stargate Chronology? It's after Continuum, right? How far after?

Also, what has Daniel been up to before his appearance on Atlantis? Are they going on missions? Is he able to explore things at a more leisurely pace? I like to envision different scenarios depending on what I'm feeling that day.

Well Continuum takes place after Search and Rescue, and Woolsey's been in command of Atlantis for 9 months during Remnants, so I'd say First Contact/The Lost Tribe take place about 6ish months after Continuum.

I don't think anything specific has been said about what Daniel's been up to since then besides doing research on the Atlantis database, where he discovered the location of Janus's lab.

[Khentkawes]

Also, what has Daniel been up to before his appearance on Atlantis? Are they going on missions? Is he able to explore things at a more leisurely pace? I like to envision different scenarios depending on what I'm feeling that day.

It is interesting to think about. Personally, I like to think that SG-1 has been going out on missions, but there are certainly other possibilities (although some depend on your shipy persuasion ;)).

[madaboutdanny]

First Contact/Lost Tribe spoilers
As much as I enjoyed seeing Daniel, a lot of things seemed off. I don't think Martin Gero has ever written for Daniel's character before, and it was obvious. Daniel's much more resourceful than they gave him credit for (I got tired of him standing around asking McKay questions). And the whole infirmary scene seemed weird... I didn't exactly think Daniel was fishing for a compliment (although now that you mention it, it did kinda sound that way), but it just felt off. I'm not totally sure why. It felt like he was trying to have a bonding experience with McKay, which made no sense. And it's not like Daniel has ever cared what people thought about him before. It's usually McKay who worries about what other people think of him, not Daniel.
I see nothing wrong in those scenes, really...
To me Daniel wasn't fishing for compliments, but since Rodney shows that he almost dislike him all the time, it was nice to see that instead he cares about him and Daniel was just telling Rodney that...and that little bit about not having recognised their work to me was just a statement of a fact, especially from Daniel. That that I found really odd for Daniel was his cheerness, Daniel it's never been soooo cheerfull...also I don't think he was useless, he discovered the lab, he undestood there was something wrong with the alien, it was his idea to use and how the alien armor, he tried to convince them to not use the Attero device...obviously the technology stuff it had to be solved by Rodney....Soory for my english....

[MerryK]

I see nothing wrong in those scenes, really...
To me Daniel wasn't fishing for compliments, but since Rodney shows that he almost dislike him all the time, it was nice to see that instead he cares about him and Daniel was just telling Rodney that...and that little bit about not having recognised their work to me was just a statement of a fact, especially from Daniel. That that I found really odd for Daniel was his cheerness, Daniel it's never been soooo cheerfull...also I don't think he was useless, he discovered the lab, he undestood there was something wrong with the alien, it was his idea to use and how the alien armor, he tried to convince them to not use the Attero device...obviously the technology stuff it had to be solved by Rodney....Soory for my english....

I agree here. I think Daniel was being as open and friendly as he's ever been, proving that something good must have happened to him after the Ori were destroyed. It's not in character with post-Ascended Daniel up to Season 10, but I don't see it out of the realm of his character altogether. I've always imagined that Daniel and Mckay could find quite a bit to bond about if they had a reason to try.

[EvenstarSRV]

I see nothing wrong in those scenes, really...
To me Daniel wasn't fishing for compliments, but since Rodney shows that he almost dislike him all the time, it was nice to see that instead he cares about him and Daniel was just telling Rodney that...and that little bit about not having recognised their work to me was just a statement of a fact, especially from Daniel. That that I found really odd for Daniel was his cheerness, Daniel it's never been soooo cheerfull...also I don't think he was useless, he discovered the lab, he undestood there was something wrong with the alien, it was his idea to use and how the alien armor, he tried to convince them to not use the Attero device...obviously the technology stuff it had to be solved by Rodney....Soory for my english....


I guess if they wanted to show Rodney gaining some more respect for Daniel after the events of First Contact/The Lost Tribe, I really wish they could have done it differently. Perhaps I just need to watch the scene again, but it was just frustrating for me to see Daniel essentially arguing with McKay about what he may or may not have said after Daniel got zapped. It's like they played for laughs what could have been a nice bonding moment between the two characters, especially considering how their working relationship began in First Contact. It could have been something more along the lines of Prototype, where Woolsey and Daniel were at odds the whole episode, but then reached a better understanding of each other's position at the end.

Regarding Daniel's usefulness, I was frustrated that he wasn't allowed to have more influence on the resolution of the story's problem, turning off the Attero device. Seeing him trying to negotiate with the Asgard was great to see, but it didn't work. Yes he found the suits, but then he was left just watching McKay do all the work and telling him to hurry up. It just felt like Daniel's unique strengths, his knowledge of the Ancients, Asgard, and willingness to negotiate were not as fully utilized as they could have been.

McKay would take the lead on the technological side, but couldn't the writers have had Daniel perhaps translate a code that would allow McKay to deactivate the device? Or maybe even have Daniel's negotiations work and have the problem resolved peacefully? It would be something quite different from what usually happens on SGA, and something that Daniel would have been uniquely qualified to provide. Instead we got the familiar resolution of Sheppard doing something heroic with McKay providing the technological fix. :(

[discodiva]

Eeek!!...there's been me, passionately giving my reasons as to why I think this thread should be kept separate from the Thunk Thread, when the SG-1 Character & Relationships Folder is discussed by the Mods and I find I've not been here for ages nor put my two penneth into the discussion....bad Daniel Fangirl!!..:o:p

Lost Tribe Spoilers ahead...


I do think that Daniel was portrayed a little differently in Atlantis than SG-1 - I feel that the writers wanted to get across the idea of a "stand off" between two brilliant brains - or portray a "wariness" which to me sometimes slipped over into a slighly more comedic aspect than was necessary - they did remind me of (to quote Michael talking about the Jack/Daniel relationship in Vancouver last year) a couple of "Fabulous Queens" having a b***hfest!....:mckay::danielanime13:....I enjoyed the storyline as entertainment...I just wish they could have explored the Rogue Asgard bit a little longer, with a more detailed discussion and time spent between Daniel and them.....:(




I most definitely feel that Daniel and SG-1 have not given up going on missions though.....I don't think he is ready to stop "going through that Gate" yet....;)



Deeds xx

[EvenstarSRV]

Lost Tribe Spoilers ahead...


I do think that Daniel was portrayed a little differently in Atlantis than SG-1 - I feel that the writers wanted to get across the idea of a "stand off" between two brilliant brains - or portray a "wariness" which to me sometimes slipped over into a slighly more comedic aspect than was necessary - they did remind me of (to quote Michael talking about the Jack/Daniel relationship in Vancouver last year) a couple of "Fabulous Queens" having a b***hfest!....:mckay::danielanime13:....I enjoyed the storyline as entertainment...I just wish they could have explored the Rogue Asgard bit a little longer, with a more detailed discussion and time spent between Daniel and them.....:(



I think my main issue is while I enjoy banter among the characters, it irks me when the writers seem to rely solely on banter to carry a scene or define a relationship.

IMO, the Daniel and McKay dynamic could have been much more than two geniuses snarking at each other the entire two episodes. The Attero device, Janus's lab, the rogue Asgard were all huge revelations in the Stargate universe, but any serious discussion about them was sacrificed for laughs. That irks me. :(

[Sprinkles]

Eeek!!...there's been me, passionately giving my reasons as to why I think this thread should be kept separate from the Thunk Thread, when the SG-1 Character & Relationships Folder is discussed by the Mods and I find I've not been here for ages nor put my two penneth into the discussion....bad Daniel Fangirl!!..:o:p

Hi Deeds :)

Meep! I hope they don't merge the threads there are alot of great discussions here that would be impossible to find again becuase of the posting style of the thunk threads. Could you point out the thread where its being dicussed?


Lost Tribe Spoilers ahead...


I do think that Daniel was portrayed a little differently in Atlantis than SG-1 - I feel that the writers wanted to get across the idea of a "stand off" between two brilliant brains - or portray a "wariness" which to me sometimes slipped over into a slighly more comedic aspect than was necessary - they did remind me of (to quote Michael talking about the Jack/Daniel relationship in Vancouver last year) a couple of "Fabulous Queens" having a b***hfest!....:mckay::danielanime13:....I enjoyed the storyline as entertainment...I just wish they could have explored the Rogue Asgard bit a little longer, with a more detailed discussion and time spent between Daniel and them.....:(


I most definitely feel that Daniel and SG-1 have not given up going on missions though.....I don't think he is ready to stop "going through that Gate" yet....;)

Deeds xx

I loved FC/LT for it's humour and seeing Daniel much happier becuase he didn't the weight of fighting a seemingly impossible battle against the Ori anymore but I too would have liked to see a more serious side to those episodes as well.
I had been wondering about Daniel's comments to Rodney in their conversation about being recognised for their accomliments. What if apart from his research they have stopped exploratrative missons through the Gate and Daniel is missing that? Just pure speculation based on the fact we have very little information about what is happening back on earth with Stargate command.

[Khentkawes]

Note: I spoilered all FC/TLT discussion here (following Sprinkles' example) just to be safe. :)



IMO, the Daniel and McKay dynamic could have been much more than two geniuses snarking at each other the entire two episodes. The Attero device, Janus's lab, the rogue Asgard were all huge revelations in the Stargate universe, but any serious discussion about them was sacrificed for laughs. That irks me. :(

My feelings exactly! It could have been so much better. *sigh* I was happy with the episodes, happy to see Daniel, and I enjoyed them, but there was so much more potential there... I was glad Daniel wanted to talk his way out of the situation, because that was nice to see, but then he didn't actually dive deep enough into the really complex ethical issues for my tastes.



Hi Deeds :)

Meep! I hope they don't merge the threads there are alot of great discussions here that would be impossible to find again becuase of the posting style of the thunk threads. Could you point out the thread where its being dicussed?

they haven't officially opened up discussion about the Daniel threads yet (the mods are addressing threads one character at a time). When this thread comes up for discussion/consideration, a mod will come in here to post a notice about what they changes they may consider making (if any) and where the discussion will take place. So, not to worry, they will inform us when the time for discussion comes around. :)



I had been wondering about Daniel's comments to Rodney in their conversation about being recognised for their accomliments. What if apart from his research they have stopped exploratrative missons through the Gate and Daniel is missing that? Just pure speculation based on the fact we have very little information about what is happening back on earth with Stargate command.

That's an interesting possibility that I hadn't considered. I suppose it's possible. Although I'd think with the Ori gone, there would be more exploratory missions (unless the IOA cut the SGC's funding). But I would think if they had made such a change, Daniel would be a little snippy about it, instead of perky and happy the way he was.

[discodiva]

I think you could be right.....Daniel has always come across as slightly snippy when frustrated in his efforts to discover new things....always has from the beginning of the series imho......I can't ever see him stopping or even wanting to slow down in his exploration, although one day old age and the ever looming desk job will beckon.....:danielanime07:


And when the time comes for this thread, and others, to be discussed I'll be on the side that's definitely voting to keep this one going as it is....I would hate it to merge with the Thunk Thread......although we don't post as often as some other D&A Threads I still think that Daniel, the one who opened the Stargate, who discovered so many wonderful (and dangerous I admit that too) things, should continue to have a dedicated thread like this....:daniel:



(I'll be fighting for the J/D Slash and Friendship Thread to btw - to me those two are still the most important members of the Stargate universe...:jack::daniel: - but that's OT and I know when to shut up....I do, I really do!!....honest....:p


Deeds xx

[Bagpuss]

Hello everyone.:)

Some (or most ?) of you may be aware of the reshuffle and review of character threads going on since January.

Well,I'm posting to reassure you that your thread is fine,no changes need to be made ,and all I've done is placed some tags at the foot of your thread to help new members when they use the forum search/tag functions.

Happy Posting.:D

Bagpuss
GateWorld Moderator.

[discodiva]

Thank you very much Bagpuss......it's greatly appreciated....:daniel:



Deeds xx

[Khentkawes]

Yay! Good news. Thanks Bugpuss!

So... on with the discussion and appreciation!

[Bagpuss]

I spoke a little too soon and kinda misread the memo from the boss.
The thread itself isn't changing at all ,but "Jackson" has now been put in the title .

This will make certain that all Daniel's fans can easily find your thread,then come add their thoughts .

[Callista]

:( I miss Daniel. I miss SG-1. I miss Daniel in SG-1 :P

So, to entertain myself while pretending to read the incredibly boring book that I'm supposed to have read by my next book club meeting this Tuesday night I've been contemplating what Daniel does with the team (original or newer).

They apparently have team movie nights, but which member would he go have coffee with? Who would he call to go to a museum with him? If he were buying a new house or new furniture, would he ask any of his friends for advice and if so, which ones? And the question to end all questions, did Daniel actually go to the Jell-o wrestling with Jack and Teal'c when they called?

[EvenstarSRV]

:( I miss Daniel. I miss SG-1. I miss Daniel in SG-1 :P

So, to entertain myself while pretending to read the incredibly boring book that I'm supposed to have read by my next book club meeting this Tuesday night I've been contemplating what Daniel does with the team (original or newer).

They apparently have team movie nights, but which member would he go have coffee with? Who would he call to go to a museum with him? If he were buying a new house or new furniture, would he ask any of his friends for advice and if so, which ones? And the question to end all questions, did Daniel actually go to the Jell-o wrestling with Jack and Teal'c when they called?

I've personally always seen Daniel as a very much self-sufficient person, probably as a result of his upbringing, so I don't really see him asking his friends advice for things like buying a house or furniture. I think he knows what he likes and probably has little trouble deciding things like that for himself.

For something like coffee or maybe dinner, I'd say Jack, Sam, and Teal'c, though it probably wouldn't be a regular occurrence. Mitchell too perhaps, but I'm not sure about Vala. He seemed to barely tolerate her for a lot of seasons 9-10 to me, so I don't really see him seeking out to spend more time with her.

As for the Jello, I can see him getting the info for Jack and Teal'c, but then finding a convenient translation that just has to get finished by tomorrow in order to avoid going himself. :)

[MerryK]

I've personally always seen Daniel as a very much self-sufficient person, probably as a result of his upbringing, so I don't really see him asking his friends advice for things like buying a house or furniture. I think he knows what he likes and probably has little trouble deciding things like that for himself.

Same here, re: the bolded. I've always gotten that from his attitude towards people, though also his actions. He didn't seem too upset on his own in the movie, nor essentially away from everything he knew on Abydos, and could even imagine leaving the team in Forever in a Day. He loves the people on his team, of course, but I don't see him needing to spend much time with them outside of work to keep that friendship going. If he went out to have coffee or to a movie, I'd guess that it'd be because they asked him, not the other way around.

[Callista]

I agree about the house and furniture, but I suspect someone went clothes shopping with him somewhere along the line because his style certainly changed between the first couple of seasons and the later ones. Or, maybe that was part of the "enlightenment" he received from being ascended...perhaps Oma let him keep that in addition to being able to understand Ancient. :P

It definitely appears that he doesn't go to movies with Teal'c. Or if he does, he's not paying attention. Which is possible because I've seen at least two of the Die Hard movies more than once but still didn't get Mitchell's reference in Bad Guys until Teal'c explained :o. I can see Mitchell and Teal'c going to movies together and Jack and Teal'c going to sporting events together. I can see Daniel taking Teal'c to various cultural type things like museums or ethnic festivals.

I wonder who taught Teal'c how to drive? I'd say Jack, but he seems to like that truck a lot so he might be hesitant unless they were allowed to borrow a base car. Sam's also a possibility there.

It looks like they work out as a team on base and play basketball together there as well.

I do think he would like someone to discuss things with from time to time. When he picked up that book in Continuum he sure looked like he wanted to show it to someone but there wasn't anyone there. Maybe he belongs to a book group on the side. :P

I still can't decide if he went to the Jello thing, but since he already wasn't with Jack and Teal'c when they went to Sam's maybe he had a good excuse not to.

[madaboutdanny]

I agree about the house and furniture, but I suspect someone went clothes shopping with him somewhere along the line because his style certainly changed between the first couple of seasons and the later ones. Or, maybe that was part of the "enlightenment" he received from being ascended...perhaps Oma let him keep that in addition to being able to understand Ancient. :P
Actually it was Michael that requested a change in his clothing....



I wonder who taught Teal'c how to drive? I'd say Jack, but he seems to like that truck a lot so he might be hesitant unless they were allowed to borrow a base car. Sam's also a possibility there.
Daniel taught how to drive to Teal'c, it happened in "1969", there is a reference in season 6 "Smoke and Mirrors" here the excerpts from the script
"JONAS
How'd you learn to drive?
TEAL'C
Daniel Jackson instructed me.
JONAS
When was that?
TEAL'C
I believe the year was 1969.

[poundpuppy29]

I've personally always seen Daniel as a very much self-sufficient person, probably as a result of his upbringing, so I don't really see him asking his friends advice for things like buying a house or furniture. I think he knows what he likes and probably has little trouble deciding things like that for himself.

For something like coffee or maybe dinner, I'd say Jack, Sam, and Teal'c, though it probably wouldn't be a regular occurrence. Mitchell too perhaps, but I'm not sure about Vala. He seemed to barely tolerate her for a lot of seasons 9-10 to me, so I don't really see him seeking out to spend more time with her.

:)
The Bold part I disagree with but the rest of the post I agree with.

[Callista]

Actually, that's one of the very few instances I can think of where we actually did see two of the teammates socializing together outside of work but without the entire team. Daniel did take Vala out to dinner. (I believe him when he said he didn't intend it to be a date.)

The only other times I can think of just two of them hanging out together for fun would be Jack and Teal'c at Jack's cabin in "The Curse" (which Teal'c did not enjoy :P) and then Jack and Teal'c bringing pizza over to Sam's and then deciding to go to the Jello wrestling after she sent them away. Also, Sam and Vala appear to have gone out shopping together.

[Mr.MacGadget]

Hey everyone!

Just got the link of this thread - thanks Deeds :) - and I thought I should make a post here ( especially cause there was no reply since April?? LOL ) so... Daniel Jackson... *sighs* The most interesting character in SG-1, and maybe even in the whole Stargate universe, such a well written, and so well acted! character, his world view changed many things in me, in the good way, his passion is just ... infectious :D , his heroism is astounding, he is just incredible... and so freakin' hot! LOL :D

.. that's all. :P ;)

[discodiva]

I brought this over from the DJ/MS Thunk Thread.....It's probably a repeat of what I've said on this thread many moons ago, but it's how I feel about this wonderful character and his many facets, so imho it bears repeating....:P




Daniel's character to me has always been the most complex, fascinating and in it's own way flawed....especially at the beginning of the series - therefore it had the most room to grow and "iron out" or "accentuate" those flaws....of course he had to change...he grew up in those years seeing and suffering things that are unimaginable to the rest of the human race....:(....I know I've changed a lot since I got older and my views are more forthright, I'm more cranky and I've become a lot more cynical in my old age with people and the world in general...why in the hell can't he?....


I guess that "Daniel's change" is a great escape for those who want to vent at the loss of their "original" Stargate too.....he's an easy target in my opinion, especially on the boards...:(


But without Daniel, Jack would be dead....I doubt anyone else would have thrown themselves into the path of that blast, he opened the Stargate, he was the first intergalactic ambassador [by remaining on Abydos] and teacher of the universe and he saved the world a couple of times if I remember correctly.....and people want to complain that he's "changed"...pah!.....not in my opinion he hasn't...he's evolved....like any normal human being would.....just because, again imho, his "arc" has been the most fascinating, deeply thought out and in places very frightening, he's always going to attract a lot more attention.....which, as far as I'm concerned, is absolutely right!...he's the most important factor in the whole Stargate story, from the film to the end....and, by his involvement in Atlantis and SGU, it seems on in to the future!!...:daniel:


Deeds xx *Daniel fan forever and beyond*...:daniel:

[Callista]

I agree that Daniel is complex and flawed. In fact, that's what makes him so interesting to me.

Sure, he's good looking, but there are plenty of good looking guys on TV. Sure, he's a good guy, but so is almost every other lead character or main cast character on TV. Sure, he's amazingly good at his job, but so is almost every other lead character or main cast character on TV.

What makes him stand out to me is that he's very, very human. He makes mistakes and feels guilty about them later. He sometimes gets carried away with his own viewpoint and has trouble compromising when he's sure he's right. He can be irritable. He gets tired and frustrated. He seems to get over some things quickly but hold onto and grieve other things for a long time. He can be a little arrogant when speaking on his own field of expertise. He knows he's capable of doing bad things, but he tries hard to overcome that. He struggles with some interpersonal relationships but has some simple, uncomplicated friendships, too. Sometimes he's funny. Sometimes he's serious. Sometimes he's sad. Sometimes he's full of hope. Sometimes he's full of despair.

That sounds like most real people I know. It does not sound like most fictional characters to which I've been exposed. Most fictional characters I can think of act in a certain way pretty much all of the time....whether it be wise-cracking or kind or snotty or greedy or whatever. All the real people I know move back and forth between those and many, many other characteristics.

I can fully understand and appreciate that some people are not entertained by some of those characteristics and don't want to watch them. I feel the same way about that both in regards to Daniel and to other characters. (Of course, I seem to have the opposite feeling to most in that I like Daniel more and more as he matures while many seem to like him less and less.)

Regardless, it's his quirks and flaws and changes that make him interesting to me for such a long stretch of time. If he never did anything different, I wouldn't need to see any more of him. His story would be finished. But, he does change and that's why I'm still interested.

[Mr.MacGadget]

That sounds like most real people I know. It does not sound like most fictional characters to which I've been exposed. Most fictional characters I can think of act in a certain way pretty much all of the time....whether it be wise-cracking or kind or snotty or greedy or whatever. All the real people I know move back and forth between those and many, many other characteristics.


Indeed, very realistic character, and talking about changes - the topic we were discussing in the thunk thread - look at season 1 Daniel, then for example season 9 Daniel. So, season 1, he's naive, he's amazed by those wonderful things the galaxy has, of course he's desperate too because of his wife, but still, he's so human, he always wants to choose the peaceful way, even when there is no way for that, now look at season 9 episode Prototype. He's not naive anymore, he doesn't think they should understand Khalek, nope, he just say it: we have to kill him. Yes, we talking about Anubis' son, so Daniel is 'affected', big time, so that can be a good explanation for his action, but I don't think it would that easy, I think he realized over the years that peaceful solution can't be the answer all the time, that sometimes you have to choose the hard, cruel way. And I think Prototype shows his 'evolution' very well.

( Sorry for my English, it's not my native :o :P )

[Callista]

Indeed, very realistic character, and talking about changes - the topic we were discussing in the thunk thread - look at season 1 Daniel, then for example season 9 Daniel. So, season 1, he's naive, he's amazed by those wonderful things the galaxy has, of course he's desperate too because of his wife, but still, he's so human, he always wants to choose the peaceful way, even when there is no way for that, now look at season 9 episode Prototype. He's not naive anymore, he doesn't think they should understand Khalek, nope, he just say it: we have to kill him. Yes, we talking about Anubis' son, so Daniel is 'affected', big time, so that can be a good explanation for his action, but I don't think it would that easy, I think he realized over the years that peaceful solution can't be the answer all the time, that sometimes you have to choose the hard, cruel way. And I think Prototype shows his 'evolution' very well.

( Sorry for my English, it's not my native :o :P )
I actually have more of a liking for the later Daniel that you describe than the earlier. I'm a very peaceful person. I don't think I've ever shown physical aggression to anyone in my life. (Well, other than my brother of course. But that doesn't count because he's my brother and he hit me first!! :P) However, I always had a hard time accepting that the Air Force would allow someone like Daniel along on missions because he was so quick to question the military way. I always had a hard time accepting that Jack would allow him along on missions because frankly, I thought Daniel was rather unreliable at first. For example, him saying he knew how to get the original team home when he didn't, and him standing there leafing through his notebook looking for the gate address while everyone waits for him and Kowalsky gets snaked.

But regardless of which stage a person likes to watch or relates to, I agree that his 'evolution' was natural given the experiences he had. I think it came in stages rather than just being suddenly a completely different person for the last two seasons or even after descending.

[Mr.MacGadget]

I actually have more of a liking for the later Daniel that you describe than the earlier. I'm a very peaceful person. I don't think I've ever shown physical aggression to anyone in my life. (Well, other than my brother of course. But that doesn't count because he's my brother and he hit me first!! :P) However, I always had a hard time accepting that the Air Force would allow someone like Daniel along on missions because he was so quick to question the military way. I always had a hard time accepting that Jack would allow him along on missions because frankly, I thought Daniel was rather unreliable at first. For example, him saying he knew how to get the original team home when he didn't, and him standing there leafing through his notebook looking for the gate address while everyone waits for him and Kowalsky gets snaked.

But regardless of which stage a person likes to watch or relates to, I agree that his 'evolution' was natural given the experiences he had. I think it came in stages rather than just being suddenly a completely different person for the last two seasons or even after descending.

Yeah, I guess Air Force realized, knew that they need this guy, they knew that without him, they wouldn't be able to do almost anything in the galaxy, cause his work was so much more than 'just' archeology, linguistic, so I think they thought: okay, well he can be a pain in the as... but boy, we need him. LOL

Yes, as I said in the other thread, if we look at the team, Jack, Sam and especially Teal'c, they all had experiences before the programme, about war and such, now Daniel didn't, he was just a curios, naive archeologist, and suddenly he had to deal with things like super powerful enemies of the galaxy, alien entity in his body etc., these things were lot even for the rest of the team, and for him, even more I guess, so he had to change, otherwise he wouldn't have survived it, also the tragedies in his life, one after the other, and yes, the ascension, is it just me or his sense of humor turned into kinda sarcastic, after that? LOL It would be understandable: 'Hey, I died, I ascended, now I'm back... of course I'm snarky.' Heehee :D

[EvenstarSRV]

Yes, as I said in the other thread, if we look at the team, Jack, Sam and especially Teal'c, they all had experiences before the programme, about war and such, now Daniel didn't, he was just a curios, naive archeologist, and suddenly he had to deal with things like super powerful enemies of the galaxy, alien entity in his body etc., these things were lot even for the rest of the team, and for him, even more I guess, so he had to change, otherwise he wouldn't have survived it, also the tragedies in his life, one after the other, and yes, the ascension, is it just me or his sense of humor turned into kinda sarcastic, after that? LOL It would be understandable: 'Hey, I died, I ascended, now I'm back... of course I'm snarky.' Heehee :D

Personally, I've never thought of Daniel as ever really being naive. Curious, compassionate, open-minded, etc sure, but not innocent or naive. I mean, he lost his parents at a young age, and throughout his academic career likely had to constantly fight for people to take him and his theories seriously. I don't see someone being able to come through all of that and still be 'naive'. It's not the same experiences the others went through, but they were still difficult circumstances that matured his understanding of the world long before he joined the SGC, IMO.

[Mr.MacGadget]

Personally, I've never thought of Daniel as ever really being naive. Curious, compassionate, open-minded, etc sure, but not innocent or naive. I mean, he lost his parents at a young age, and throughout his academic career likely had to constantly fight for people to take him and his theories seriously. I don't see someone being able to come through all of that and still be 'naive'. It's not the same experiences the others went through, but they were still difficult circumstances that matured his understanding of the world long before he joined the SGC, IMO.

Yeah, I agreed, I guess I used the wrong word ( as I said, my english isn't the best :o ) by naive I meant that desire in him, when he's like a kid who found something really shinny and he's so happy for it :D, when you can feel how much he loves this, to discover these things, and you just have to love this passion about him... yeah, I used the wrong word I guess. LOL :P

[EvenstarSRV]

Yeah, I agreed, I guess I used the wrong word ( as I said, my english isn't the best :o ) by naive I meant that desire in him, when he's like a kid who found something really shinny and he's so happy for it :D, when you can feel how much he loves this, to discover these things, and you just have to love this passion about him... yeah, I used the wrong word I guess. LOL :P

Oh no, your English is great, seriously. It's just that for me, I think of 'naive' as meaning someone untested, without worldy knowledge, or with a simplistic understanding of the world, which is so not Daniel to me.

What you describe, his pure excitement and passion for discovering new things, I would call more curiosity or inquisitiveness, which I totally agree that Daniel has in spades. :)

[Mr.MacGadget]

Oh no, your English is great, seriously. It's just that for me, I think of 'naive' as meaning someone untested, without worldy knowledge, or with a simplistic understanding of the world, which is so not Daniel to me.

What you describe, his pure excitement and passion for discovering new things, I would call more curiosity or inquisitiveness, which I totally agree that Daniel has in spades. :)

Thanks. :o And yes, I realized that 'naive' means that, and Daniel is not that, ITA.

[poundpuppy29]

Few characters have touched me like Daniel and Ditto to all of you :P I related to Daniel too he was always spoke my feelings on things

[Everlovin]

I've a question I'd like to get everyone's opinion on. In a LOT of fanon, after Daniel's parents died, he doesn't speak. Often for months. Have any of you noticed anything in canon to suggest that? I haven't. I was just wondering if I missed anything.

[Mr.MacGadget]

I've a question I'd like to get everyone's opinion on. In a LOT of fanon, after Daniel's parents died, he doesn't speak. Often for months. Have any of you noticed anything in canon to suggest that? I haven't. I was just wondering if I missed anything.

You mean in many fanfics, he doesn't speak after his parents' death? ( Sorry, my English ) Well, I never heard anything like that in the actual show, I rewatched the show 3 times I think, I saw some episodes 10 times LOL, but I don't remember that. :S

[Callista]

I've a question I'd like to get everyone's opinion on. In a LOT of fanon, after Daniel's parents died, he doesn't speak. Often for months. Have any of you noticed anything in canon to suggest that? I haven't. I was just wondering if I missed anything.

I don't think there's anything to suggest that in canon.

As far as I know, the only canon facts we have are that he saw his parents get crushed when he was 8 years old and that he went into foster care because his grandfather wouldn't take him. I'm not sure whether or not we know if his grandfather didn't allow him to be adopted or just that none of his foster parents (however many there may have been) wanted to adopt him or possibly even that he didn't want to be adopted by any of them. I don't think there was ever any elaboration as to his psychological state after his parents' death. If there were, it would probably be in either 'The Gamekeeper' or 'Crystal Skull' and I've watched 'Crystal Skull' about a gazillion times and don't remember anything about it. He actually seems pretty OK with Nick not taking him and also doesn't seem to harbor any guilt feelings or anything as he says "How could it have been my fault? I was only eight years old." to Nick.

The canon inconsistancies in his past are the picture in the movie that he says is of his foster parents and Janet saying that there is no history of mental illness in his family in 'Legacy'. I suppose the baby in the picture could be explained away by saying that was a picture of them with their own child taken before he came to live with them.

I don't think we know how much Nick kept in touch with Daniel as a child, but apparently they saw each other fairly often (enough to fight about careers and ideas) when he was older.

The only other little tidbits about his past that I know of from canon are that he's afraid of heights (from Thor's Chariot) and he was obsessive about his research in college and that he was basically laughed out of his profession.

I think out of the original SG-1 we got the most backstory on Teal'c and then Sam just due to the fact that her dad was a recurring character. We got a lot about Jack just from the perspective of Charlie's death, but not much beside that (like, did he have any siblings and are his parents still alive, etc.) other than tiny glimpses of his military past in 'The Gamekeeper' and 'Evolution'. I think for Daniel it was really just 'The Gamekeeper', 'Crystal Skull', and 'The Curse'.

[Sprinkles]

I've a question I'd like to get everyone's opinion on. In a LOT of fanon, after Daniel's parents died, he doesn't speak. Often for months. Have any of you noticed anything in canon to suggest that? I haven't. I was just wondering if I missed anything.

I agree with Callista and Mac, I don't remember anything in cannon and can only surmise that the idea of Daniel, the linguist and voice of SG1 becoming dumb only adds to the dramatic effect of the trauma caused by the death of his parents. I have also read some other stories where he afterwards he only speaks in a secret language he invents himself and already speaking several languages learned from his travels with his parents. Mostly (depending on the story as a whole and there are some really good ones) I really love the stories that delve into the possibilities of his past. :)

Anyone have some recs? :)

If I remember correctly from the novelised version of the movie, Daniels foster parents die in a plane crash, I'm a bit fuzzy has anyone else read it? I wonder what the TPTB thoughts are concerning the movie Daniel cannon and the series.

[Rush Fan]

Thank you for making this thread. As for my favorite episode that is very hard because there are alot of good episodes. As for now I am going to go with (though I do not remember the title) I am going to have to pick the episode where Daniel gets addicted to being resurrect by the healing of the Sarcophagus and the handle getting him off.

[Everlovin]

Thank you for making this thread. As for my favorite episode that is very hard because there are alot of good episodes. As for now I am going to go with (though I do not remember the title) I am going to have to pick the episode where Daniel gets addicted to being resurrect by the healing of the Sarcophagus and the handle getting him off.

The one you're talking about is Need.

[Rush Fan]

Thank you for saving my mind form wondering what it was

[Rac80]

I agree that Daniel is complex and flawed. In fact, that's what makes him so interesting to me.

Sure, he's good looking, but there are plenty of good looking guys on TV. Sure, he's a good guy, but so is almost every other lead character or main cast character on TV. Sure, he's amazingly good at his job, but so is almost every other lead character or main cast character on TV.

What makes him stand out to me is that he's very, very human. He makes mistakes and feels guilty about them later. He sometimes gets carried away with his own viewpoint and has trouble compromising when he's sure he's right. He can be irritable. He gets tired and frustrated. He seems to get over some things quickly but hold onto and grieve other things for a long time. He can be a little arrogant when speaking on his own field of expertise. He knows he's capable of doing bad things, but he tries hard to overcome that. He struggles with some interpersonal relationships but has some simple, uncomplicated friendships, too. Sometimes he's funny. Sometimes he's serious. Sometimes he's sad. Sometimes he's full of hope. Sometimes he's full of despair.

That sounds like most real people I know. It does not sound like most fictional characters to which I've been exposed. Most fictional characters I can think of act in a certain way pretty much all of the time....whether it be wise-cracking or kind or snotty or greedy or whatever. All the real people I know move back and forth between those and many, many other characteristics.

I can fully understand and appreciate that some people are not entertained by some of those characteristics and don't want to watch them. I feel the same way about that both in regards to Daniel and to other characters. (Of course, I seem to have the opposite feeling to most in that I like Daniel more and more as he matures while many seem to like him less and less.)

Regardless, it's his quirks and flaws and changes that make him interesting to me for such a long stretch of time. If he never did anything different, I wouldn't need to see any more of him. His story would be finished. But, he does change and that's why I'm still interested.

I too have always enjoyed Daniel more as he grew and matured. It was very well written and acted. I am not exactly the same person as I was ten years ago, but i am basically the same person...with growth. That type of growth was well illustrated by both the writers and MS in regards to Daniel's character. :)

[SpacedOutAgain]

Wooh!
Look! thanks to Deed's , the Daniel discussion thread has been resurfaced again!
So, we have a place to chat properly without invading the pictures thread!

Be back later, maybe we could do a episode review or something, I dunno?
What do you think? Any idea's where to start again?

Gotta go do lunch for the masses, be back later!

Space :D

[Sprinkles]

Great idea Spaced, if you would like to do an episode discussion I would be happy to join in! :)

[SpacedOutAgain]

I'm thinking if we choose an ep to watch the day before...
The next day would be good to discuss it!
I was actually watching Continuum into the early hours last night, I like this movie alot which is why I always revert back to it.
I shall go and review it again :D as there is nothing on the telly except my daughters tv shows. So I am going to put my stuff on my laptop with my earphones in. that way, we all get peace..
But there are alot of changes to Daniel in this one. that is pretty obvious.
So, to choose an ep..

Space

[dolphin]

Wooh!
Look! thanks to Deed's , the Daniel discussion thread has been resurfaced again!
So, we have a place to chat properly without invading the pictures thread!



Not that we chat much do we Space :lol:

I'm up for episode discussions ... so where are we going to start then? ;)

[SpacedOutAgain]

:lol: funny!!

me chat? pmsl!

Sooo, en episode, to choose an ep...
Umm... well for tonights viewing and follow up tomorrow, I was thinking..( well I was thinking alot of things with Daniel in but I have to think right?) Obviously season 6 is not going to be a good one.. so we can leave that for a while, what about season 5 and not Meridian...
Summit?
Is that a good start, or shall we just skip straight to season 7 and evolution 1 and the evolution 2 tomorrow? :D :D
What do you think? Summit or Evo?
Choices!!!

Space :D

[dolphin]

Summit sounds good ... that's if I can actually get time to watch it tomorrow morning lol ... but I'm sure I can bluff it if not lol Its a good excuse for me to re-watch episodes ... I did start from the beginning but only got about half way through season 1 before I had to give up. I do sky+ the odd episode to watch though (Prometheus Unbound was the last one ... and I think Ripple Effect is on tomorrow)

And then we can chat to our heart's content :lol:

[SpacedOutAgain]

Thats a good plan! I can watch mine tomorrow morning too after the school run.
that way by 11am we are done if the timiings go well.
I am moving house soon hopefully and will get Sky again, I have just canceled due to the move.
Only cos my daughter wants certain channels I feel obliged to get it aswell as for me!

[Iffy]

The Summit is a good one.

[dolphin]

Sooo ... lets chat about pyjama boy lol

[SpacedOutAgain]

Well!! Hello!

Summit
First impressions of the plot and how it left Daniel feeling.
I liked this Episode as it had alot of tough choices for Daniel, firstly to be thrown in the deep end by literally being the only one that could speak fluent Goa'uld other than Teal'c which meant he was the only one that 'had' to go, even though he was given a choice. It wasnt much of a choice though in respect of what the Tokr'a had already planned. I could almost feel Daniel's heart going faster as the realisation hit that the only choice was him. It must have felt like a sucide mission in some sort of way. Anyone agree? As that was what I was feeling from this scene.

I will get to the next part soon...

:D

[SpacedOutAgain]

Sooo ... lets chat about pyjama boy lol


Hello!!

Pyjama Boy!! thats funny!!

[dolphin]

Hello!!

Pyjama Boy!! thats funny!!

Hiya :D well its what that silly outfit looked like :D

Ok ... back on topic ... I agree he was put in a very difficult position. To be killing the goa'uld like that, despite how he feels about them, goes against his beliefs, but he was never going to refuse the mission. That's where I love the fact that he can show so much with his facial expressions - there were so many emotions on show during the discussion of the Tok'ra plan.

[SpacedOutAgain]

I agree, and I loved the way Teal'c was directly facing Daniel as he knew what it all meant.

And coming to his office aswell to see if he had made his decision.
The scenes between Daniel and Jacob were just as good. Jacob wanting the mission to be a success and checking if Daniel is still alright with the plan. Oh and the bit with the ring. 'Dont prick yourself with it' It makes me wonder in the whole episode if Daniel really thought he would get away. But I suppose as Jacob was waiting in the wings, it was a failsafe.
I need to think how I see Daniel coped* reminds myself* lol!!

[SpacedOutAgain]

Gonna post a pic to remind me...

[dolphin]

*waits patiently for pic* lol

[SpacedOutAgain]

lol!! sorry was doing a cuppa tea to get comfy till 3pm!

posting it now!

[dolphin]

lol!! sorry was doing a cuppa tea to get comfy till 3pm!

posting it now!

not good enough you know lol

[SpacedOutAgain]

finding out and the making the choice


http://i46.tinypic.com/qzjfpj.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/2w6caxx.jpg

[SpacedOutAgain]

:P there, I now have my tea... ;)

Oh, and putting in the contacts!

Something I could never do, took me 20 minutes one time to attempt, on one eye!


http://i45.tinypic.com/rh3jah.jpg

[dolphin]

I'll happily stick with glasses ... I'm a nightmare if I have to put in eye drops so contacts are a big no no! That and the poster they used to have on the wall in the opticians put me off for life ;)

Sorry ... were we discussing something, got slightly (ok a lot) distracted by those lovely pictures :p

[SpacedOutAgain]

Same here!!

I think we got up to the the office part.. what is that about five minutes into the show?? :D

[dolphin]

Erm ... no comment lol

See I knew I shouldn't have slept between watching and discussing ... my brain's got all fuddled and those pics aren't helping ;)

[SpacedOutAgain]

After the little talk with Teal'c, I think Daniel was more resolute as he didnt waiver about it, just came out and said he'll do it.
He is when he is focused on something determined to see it through. but then we get to the ship scene with Jacob..

[SpacedOutAgain]

actually no, its the Tokra meeting around the table with the pointy chairs..

doing a quick check as there was alot to take in and remember!!

[SpacedOutAgain]

Does this help?
I wonder what he was feeling here?
That he has to do the killing and its down to him even though the Tokra engineered the poison.


http://i50.tinypic.com/awvxb9.jpg

[dolphin]

Ah yes :D Thank you for helping me out there ;)

Yeah, you can tell he's still obviously got some internal conflict over what he's doing and Jacob picks up on it. I did like the bit with the ring though, it would have been interesting to find out what it would have done to him. I don't know that he would have gone through with the plan without someone like Jacob there with him - he had to put a great deal of trust in Jacob that they had covered all angles of the plan including successfully deceiving Yu. Shame they didn't factor Osiris into the equation!

[dolphin]

Does this help?
I wonder what he was feeling here?
That he has to do the killing and its down to him even though the Tokra engineered the poison.


http://i50.tinypic.com/awvxb9.jpg

Exactly ... at the end of the day, no matter how you dress it up, it is still murder.

[SpacedOutAgain]

Yeh, thats the thing, they didn't realise that Osiris would show, but Jacob did pick up on Daniel's emotions,
now, just to get this out of my mind... I wonder what would have happened with the ring?? :D
Maybe someone could write a fic a good one not a flufffic.
There out in the open, just a thought! Evil me eh?
Actually the way Jacob said it , about them not knowing what would happen showed me that they didnt really care for the human side of the host, and he as much said it would be doing them a favour when the symbiote dies they die too.
I feel for Daniel as he really didn't want the host's to die as they are the innocents in this.
And the Jaffa... Another casualty of war. now from the first days of SG1 to this Episode, There is so much difference in Daniel here, from not wanting to kill to having to , to save the rest of the galaxy from the Goa'uld in that sense.

Know what I mean or am I talking wierd :lol:

[SpacedOutAgain]

Exactly ... at the end of the day, no matter how you dress it up, it is still murder.

Exactly.

[SpacedOutAgain]

Nothing like the Tokra coming by and asking you to commit murder for them...

[dolphin]

Nothing like the Tokra coming by and asking you to commit murder for them...

actually ... thats exactly like them!

[SpacedOutAgain]

that's true, I never really like the Tokra too much, Agree with Jack on this one when he said along the liines of 'what are you holding back?' about this mission.

Shall we do the ship and the summit scene tomorrow?? :D

It's nearly that time of day again!

space

[Dankriss]

Great discussion guys! might actually sit down and watch them again....

Oh and if you want to see some really good behind the scenes stuff watch Michael's diary vid on the DVD...that will give you the story behind pyjama boy and some of the sets and actors...very funny!

Kriss :)

[dolphin]

that's true, I never really like the Tokra too much, Agree with Jack on this one when he said along the liines of 'what are you holding back?' about this mission.

Shall we do the ship and the summit scene tomorrow?? :D

It's nearly that time of day again!

space

Sounds good to me :D

[SpacedOutAgain]

Hi Kriss!!
Will do! I will do that after my daughter goe's to sleep tonight!

Pyjama boy.. Still makes me laugh! :D

Catch you both tomorrow, I'm off to do the school run!!

Space :)

[dolphin]

Great discussion guys! might actually sit down and watch them again....

Oh and if you want to see some really good behind the scenes stuff watch Michael's diary vid on the DVD...that will give you the story behind pyjama boy and some of the sets and actors...very funny!

Kriss :)

Erm would love to but don't actually have the DVD ... I have the grand total of 2 dvd's to my name lol ... I got AOT/Continuum for christmas and I have the one with Window Of Opportunity on (hmmm just remembered another ep on there we could discuss ... The First Ones)

[SpacedOutAgain]

good idea for the next ep Dolphin!

So, are we going to do the 2nd part (Last Stand) after summit to finish off ? :D

See ya later tonight!

[Dankriss]

Erm would love to but don't actually have the DVD ... I have the grand total of 2 dvd's to my name lol ... I got AOT/Continuum for christmas and I have the one with Window Of Opportunity on (hmmm just remembered another ep on there we could discuss ... The First Ones)

Bless...they are all at the moment cheap....around the £22 mark per season...or the box set you can sometimes get that really cheap....I know it took it me about year to collect the whole lot...basically told friends to buy them for me for presents...

Kriss :)

[SpacedOutAgain]

I got my complete boxset from Sendit.com and it was only around £97 for the lot (ten seasons)including the movies. So I was well pleased with that. :D

It's worth saving for!
Great for screencapping with no channel inscriptions too, so good for wallpaper making etc!

If you are both online later tonight we could carry on where we left off today if you like?
If not, tomorrow is fine!.

I am going to watch Summit / Last stand again I think just to clarify stuff in my head!
Then I wonder what I could watch later... Oh! Um, maybe.. SVAJ... again!! :D

And I might play around with some picture editing as I want to learn more on what I can do that way.

Catch ya later!!

Space :)

[Replicator Todd]

*pops in*

Hello! Daniel Jackson is the best! He is even better than Indiana Jones. :cool: Archeologists with guns rule. :P

[Iffy]

Exactly ... at the end of the day, no matter how you dress it up, it is still murder.

A large part of it is the means, chemical warfare is nasty.

[dolphin]

Hello :D

[SpacedOutAgain]

Hello!!!

I'm Online at last!

after being out all morning!

[dolphin]

Ooh ... anything exciting? I was just playing about on Sumo ... after getting up at 3.30am to sort my husband out before he went to the airport. I'm a wee bit tired now :lol:

[SpacedOutAgain]

Well,, I was out having a coffee with one of the parents of my Daughter's school, 1 and half hours later...

We were chatting!! :D

Your husband must have had an early flight!

Your new sig looks great!!
I might have to try out the software later. :D

[dolphin]

You chatting ... surely not ;)

Thank you (will pm the website to you) ...

He was flying at 7am but luckily the airport is only an hour away or it would have been even earlier! He'll be back saturday evening so I've got peace til then lol

Just sat and watched Ripple Effect that I recorded last night ... and I've got Ethon and Off the Grid recording later for tonight's viewing :D

[SpacedOutAgain]

excellent! I like rIpple effect, Didnt see too much Daniel in it tho, I did try to get a glimpse of him in the desert BDU! but he rushed past to the Gate in the gateroom, but hey!! the Blue is very nice too!

[dolphin]

Ah now I like him in black ... guaranteed to make me wibble when you see him in that black uniform :p

[dolphin]

although I also liked watching Fallen and Threads for obvious reasons ;)

[SpacedOutAgain]

ooh yes, Daniel in Black. Nearly forgot about that visual! :D
Nothing beats that.
Oh and dont forget when he turns the sleeves up.. ;)

[SpacedOutAgain]

Yesterday I managed to watch Summit again, but was more into the next part.. Last Stand.
Which I found even more of a hardship for Daniel to put up with once he found out that Osiris was in on the meeting. Poor Daniel, torn between getting rid of all the major Goa'uld player's or trying to get Sarah off the ship.

...

[dolphin]

you're one step ahead of me now then ... haven't got around to watching last stand yet

[SpacedOutAgain]

lol!!

no worries!!

Summit is where we left off yesterday!! and thats no problem!!

[SpacedOutAgain]

So, where were we yesterday?

Um, oh yes, the Tokra base meeting. .

and then Daniel and Jacob talking on the ship .

[dolphin]

Yeah ... we kinda got the tokra base meeting and the original meeting at the SGC blurred together ;)

[SpacedOutAgain]

yes, we did!

[SpacedOutAgain]

gotta go..

school pick up time again!

Chat abit later!

Space :)

[ktebid]

evening all,

just found this thread thanks to a link. DJ was my favourite character on SG1.

[JackandSamAddict]

Welcome Ktebid! The tread is alive again! Maybe we could keep it going with some questions...

What is your favorite Daniel episode? I usually have categories for my favorite episodes...:p There are too many to choose from!

My favorite Daniel episode, pre-Ascension is The First Ones.
My favorite Ascended Daniel episode is Abyss (also my favorite Jack episode).
My favorte post-Ascended Daniel episode is Life Boat.

[ktebid]

Welcome Ktebid! The tread is alive again! Maybe we could keep it going with some questions...

What is your favorite Daniel episode? I usually have categories for my favorite episodes...:p There are too many to choose from!

My favorite Daniel episode, pre-Ascension is The First Ones.
My favorite Ascended Daniel episode is Abyss (also my favorite Jack episode).
My favorte post-Ascended Daniel episode is Life Boat.

:D Hi...does your name get shortened to anything :confused:

I would have to go through the episodes again, but I would agree that those three - The First ones, Abyss and LIfe boat are fantastic episodes for Daniel.

I love the way he progressed through the seasons, especially the difference after he retook human form.

[JackandSamAddict]

:D Hi...does your name get shortened to anything :confused:

I would have to go through the episodes again, but I would agree that those three - The First ones, Abyss and LIfe boat are fantastic episodes for Daniel.

I love the way he progressed through the seasons, especially the difference after he retook human form.

It shortens to JASA. I agree about the progression of his character in the later seasons.

[ktebid]

It shortens to JASA. I agree about the progression of his character in the later seasons.

:lol: guess that makes sense.

I'm currently watching S10, what do you think of his relationship with Vala. I noticed in many of the episodes where there was a girl, she was attracted to him, and yet it almost isn't until Vala that we see some sort of reaction (maybe Sarah/Osiris a little).

[JackandSamAddict]

:lol: guess that makes sense.

I'm currently watching S10, what do you think of his relationship with Vala. I noticed in many of the episodes where there was a girl, she was attracted to him, and yet it almost isn't until Vala that we see some sort of reaction (maybe Sarah/Osiris a little).

I don't like the D/V ship. They just don't mesh well for me. (I have an obscure Daniel ship.):p And it's not just because I ship him with someone else. I just think that the ship was kind of forced on us. In my opinion, other ships on the show (if you choose to see them) can be argued that they came into the show at a more natural pace. I felt that D/V was forced and surprising.

However, I could see at that time that Daniel could be in a relationship. He moved past the pain of Sha're, and was able to be with someone. I just wish it wasn't Vala. This is totally my opinion, though. :)

[ktebid]

I don't like the D/V ship. They just don't mesh well for me. (I have an obscure Daniel ship.):p And it's not just because I ship him with someone else. I just think that the ship was kind of forced on us. In my opinion, other ships on the show (if you choose to see them) can be argued that they came into the show at a more natural pace. I felt that D/V was forced and surprising.

However, I could see at that time that Daniel could be in a relationship. He moved past the pain of Sha're, and was able to be with someone. I just wish it wasn't Vala. This is totally my opinion, though. :)

I'm similar, (though I struggle to see any ships on the show) I can sort of understand the relationship up until Unending. I wonder why we see D/V together, and yet nothing is indicated of the others...did they really spend 50yrs without any physical relationship...I didn't want to see the details, but why did we get D/V details. We suddenly went from Daniel barely tolerating her, to him being very understanding and emotionally affected by her.

[discodiva]

I disliked the heavy-handedness that ALL the writers on SG-1 brought to any kind ship during the 10 seasons....I blame them, not the actors, for my dislike.....I enjoyed much of the Daniel/Vala interaction when it was subtle, which sadly, thanks to the ideas held by the mainly male writing core on how romance and UST should play out, was rather few and far between.....:(

I will have to get back to you on some of my favourite Daniel scenes, pre, during and post Ascension...but I will say that "Abyss" is probably my favourite Ascended!Daniel episode...the scenes between him and Jack were unbelievably good (kudos to MS and RDA for such amazing work and chemistry in that small room btw) and both characters really made me feel for their respective dilemmas....."The Changeling" was also good, but obviously it was mainly Teal'c's storyline...however Daniel gets really big brownie points for looking so unbelievably hot and handsome in this one!...:danielanime05:


Nice to see this thread up and running again btw....:)


Deeds xx

[Frostfox]

I disliked the heavy-handedness that ALL the writers on SG-1 brought to any kind ship during the 10 seasons....I blame them, not the actors, for my dislike.....I enjoyed much of the Daniel/Vala interaction when it was subtle, which sadly, thanks to the ideas held by the mainly male writing core on how romance and UST should play out, was rather few and far between.....:(

I will have to get back to you on some of my favourite Daniel scenes, pre, during and post Ascension...but I will say that "Abyss" is probably my favourite Ascended!Daniel episode...the scenes between him and Jack were unbelievably good (kudos to MS and RDA for such amazing work and chemistry in that small room btw) and both characters really made me feel for their respective dilemmas....."The Changeling" was also good, but obviously it was mainly Teal'c's storyline...however Daniel gets really big brownie points for looking so unbelievably hot and handsome in this one!...:danielanime05:


Nice to see this thread up and running again btw....:)


Deeds xx


Romance was so not those writers forté. Friendships? Oh yes, full of teamy goodness. Action/adventure? Great, they pulled off a smashing ensemble show for a decade. SF conceptes and themes? Cool, even if they did forget their roots (too many spaceships, not enough gate) in later years. Their sad attempts at a convincing romance? Let's not go there.

The Changeling was the first episode of SG1 I watched as opposed to just casually skimming, I thought it was very well written and shot. And, yes, MS looks very, very hot.
Abyss was a bottle show (two actors, one set, one great script, B5 and DS9 also did fabulous ones) and was the best of SG1 for me, it all came together to give us a really great episode.

FF :nox: also happy to see this thread back

[ktebid]

I disliked the heavy-handedness that ALL the writers on SG-1 brought to any kind ship during the 10 seasons....I blame them, not the actors, for my dislike.....I enjoyed much of the Daniel/Vala interaction when it was subtle, which sadly, thanks to the ideas held by the mainly male writing core on how romance and UST should play out, was rather few and far between.....:(
Deeds xx


Romance was so not those writers forté. Friendships? Oh yes, full of teamy goodness. Action/adventure? Great, they pulled off a smashing ensemble show for a decade. SF conceptes and themes? Cool, even if they did forget their roots (too many spaceships, not enough gate) in later years. Their sad attempts at a convincing romance? Let's not go there.
FF :nox: also happy to see this thread back

ITA. They wrote great friendships, and team banter. I can totally understand the find an alien chic/guy and have a one episode relationship romance, but, and perhaps it is just as well that they didn't really incorporate it into the writing, romance between the main charactors just didn't make sense.

And I don't think it would have worked for SGA either. Can't comment on SGU we don't get it down here.

[JackandSamAddict]

Well, I found the D/V romance was unnecessary. Also, if it had played out over many episodes (being a resolved relationship) I would have felt it diminished the character of Daniel. It was, IMHO, very OOC for him to be with Vala.

[spider.man]

ITA. They wrote great friendships, and team banter. I can totally understand the find an alien chic/guy and have a one episode relationship romance, but, and perhaps it is just as well that they didn't really incorporate it into the writing, romance between the main charactors just didn't make sense.

And I don't think it would have worked for SGA either. Can't comment on SGU we don't get it down here.

I agree, they can not write good convincing romance to save there lives! The first episode where we meet Vala (Prometheus unbound), I thought that there really would be something between her and Daniel but then watching the rest of the season I was bitterly disappointed. There was only a few good Daniel/Vala episodes but the best being "Unending" where they do get together but then all of that is undone :(

[ktebid]

I agree, they can not write good convincing romance to save there lives! The first episode where we meet Vala (Prometheus unbound), I thought that there really would be something between her and Daniel but then watching the rest of the season I was bitterly disappointed. There was only a few good Daniel/Vala episodes but the best being "Unending" where they do get together but then all of that is undone :(

I didn't mind the antagonistic relationship, the snarky comments and the like, because there were the times you could see that he cared for her as a friend and colleague, but I think it takes a very skilled writer to have a major and a recurring character had a successful romance, and the writers on SG had their talents in other areas.

[liljana]

I'm rewatching s9 and I like the Daniel/Vala chemistry there. It's interesting the way he doesn't let her lie to him (he never let people believe they managed to lie to him) and the effect he has on her. But later on s10, when they try to pass sth romantic, it just doesn't feel right.
Daniel is my favourite TV character ever, and Vala isn't good enough for him :)

[spider.man]

I think that Daniel would be great with Samantha, I mean, The chemistry has always been there... has anybody got some good Sam/Daniel episodes I can watch??

[poundpuppy29]

Love the discussion I love the D&V ship to those who don't please don't be too negative we can agree to disagree and please keep it civil in regards to Vala please

My favorite Daniel ep is Crystal Skull we got back story and some great Daniel moments another fav of mine was Torment of Tantulas from the later seasons I really liked The Powers That Be for Daniel and Pegasus Project besides the D&V banter it was Daniel in his passionate best

I will just say Vala brought passion back into Daniel for me passion he hadn't had since Sha're. When I was watching the DVDS he didn't have that spark with any other female Sarah included Sam and Daniel were best friends to me not the same thing I also have always thought Jack and him had a good friendship their banter reminds me of my guy friends.

[discodiva]

Well I'm a complete NOROMO where it comes to the series and episodes (although y'all know my fanfic predilections....:P)....so my favourite Daniel episodes are ones that encompass very little "ship" and lots of teamy action....:)

I too LOVE the Crystal Skull for the backstory and the wonderful acting by Michael Shanks and Jan Rubes...it also has some great Teal'c/Jack moments in the infirmary and of course is where the "Napoleonic Power-Monger" quote came from, beloved by many of my favourite fanfic writers...:D

I also adore Absolute Power for the chance to get into the mind of Evil!Daniel and he looks so darn good in that episode....again powerful team stuff, but for all the wrong reasons, as Daniel slowly and surely destroys all of SG-1....:cool:

My favourite Ascended!Daniel episode is most definitely Abyss.....because it brought out probably the greatest "two-hander" scene in the series' history - RDA and MS on that small set, acting out those powerful words and feelings = simply magic!....they BOTH should have won awards for that....:jack::daniel:

I do enjoy the latter 2 seasons' Daniel, but I just wish that there could have been slightly more teamy stuff with Sam and Teal'c.....as much as it was nice to have the two new characters I did feel that the closeness of the Original SG-1 was slightly sacrificed to help Cam and Vala integrate fully.....however I can understand TPTB's reasons for it, just don't expect me to agree with all of them!...;)


Early season Daniel - lots to choose from there......Torment, Fifth Race (his support of Jack), Need and Secrets (probably the most romantic and sad episode after FIAD and the one relationship - Daniel/Shau're - that I do think was written well) are probably the ones that spring immediately to mind...


And finally the best romp of all - 1969 - now THAT was teamwork!!!.....I love this episode and will watch it again, and again, and again....:jack::daniel::tealc::sam::hammond:


Deeds xx

[liljana]

My favourite Daniel episode is Chimera. Somehow, his interaction with the rest of the team was amazing in that ep. Among my all time favourites are also Crystal Skull and Pegasus Project, for obvious reasons.
On a shallow note, s8 episode Affinity is my favourite. Teal'c story was a bit boring, but Daniel looks gorgeous there :D

I know I have more to say on the subject, but I completely forgot what that was ;)

[Petra]

My favorite Daniel episode, pre-Ascension is The First Ones.

Oh, that's tough. It's a tie between Need & The Curse. The first one is a wonderful look into Daniel's psyche and what makes him tick plus it's foreshadowing of things to come. The other is Daniel at his archeological best, dealing with his own past. Gotta love that.


My favorite Ascended Daniel episode is Abyss (also my favorite Jack episode).

Ditto. Greatest SG-1 ep ever, IMO.


My favorte post-Ascended Daniel episode is Life Boat.

Surprisingly even to myself, I'll go with Prototype. I'm not a big fan of descended Daniel. :o


I think that Daniel would be great with Samantha, I mean, The chemistry has always been there... has anybody got some good Sam/Daniel episodes I can watch??

Chemistry, my friend, is a very subjective thing. ;) Personally I've always seen Sam and Daniel as having a siblings-like relationship. If you feel like watching some S/D friendshippy goodness, the first 3 seasons are full of that. Off the top of my head I'd recommend:

CotG (especially new version)
Thor's Hammer
Singularity
Gamekeeper
Thor's Chariot
Message in a bottle
1969
Fiad
Jolinar's Memories/TDYK
Watergate
Point of No Return
Tangent
The Curse
Meridian
Fallen
Heroes
Covenant
Threads
Morpheus
The Quest

[Country233]

He is by far my favorite on Stargate. Beside the fact Michael is so sexy, Daniel's character is so loveable!

I love how he can be funny, dopey about some things and so smart about others. So great!

I am a pretty new Stargate fan and I'm wanting to know the best Daniel episodes. I'm hooked lol

[liljana]

S6's Abyss is the first thing that comes to mind. It's great Jack and Daniel ep
But since you are new to SG1, there are many great Daniel eps in S1: Children of the Gods, Thor's Hammer, The Torment of Tantalus, Fire and Water, There But for the Grace of God

Welcome :cool:

[Country233]

Thanks and hello. I'll have to check those episodes out first. Thank goodness Hulu is playing a lot of them.


S6's Abyss is the first thing that comes to mind. It's great Jack and Daniel ep
But since you are new to SG1, there are many great Daniel eps in S1: Children of the Gods, Thor's Hammer, The Torment of Tantalus, Fire and Water, There But for the Grace of God

Welcome :cool: