Daniel Jackson Discussion and Appreciation

[poundpuppy29]

I just bought 4 and 7 just 5 and 6 to go lol. (it's what they had I do want to go in order what is aggravating is when I was in Best Buy before X Mas they were all there mocking me cause I couldn't get them then now when I got money only 4 and 7 are there that I didn't have) I have been enjoying my SG-1 marathons very fun. I have read some spoilers about :daniel: in season 10 I am a little nervous for Daniel cause I read

:daniel: disappears in the Quest 2 and when he reappears in the Shroud he's a Prior


very concerned for my :daniel:

[Margaret]

very concerned for my :daniel:

Well, you know what they say -- "Ya can't keep a good man down."

I'm concerned, too, but it's a good kind of concern -- I'm anticipating some really dramatic episodes!

"Daniel Jackson will be just fine." -- Michael Shanks

[MaeveBran]

I am concerned as well but I read that the arc got rimmed from four to one episodes so hopefull Daniel will be ok.

I must say that my favorate Daniel episode is Forever in a Day closely followed by Maternal Instinct and Evalution (part2)

[JessM]

Welcome to the thread, MaeveBran :)

Poundpuppy I agree with Margaret - I think Daniel will be just fine. I'm a bit naughty in that I can't stay away from spoilers LOL :o I know I was all concerned when I first found out about it ... but after reading what MS said, that arc being cut to one episode and then spoilers for eps afterward, I think he will be okay :)

Yeah, Maternal Instinct is a great Daniel episode. It's hard for me to pick my absolute favorite... but among my faves are Torment of Tantalus, There But for the Grace of God, Holiday, Forever in a Day, Fallen and Homecoming (just 'cause he comes back :D)... so many and it's hard to choose just one :D

[Madeleine]

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[poundpuppy29]

I just finished watching season 3 and I have to say I loved Maternal Instinct and Crystal Skull. I think those are my Favorites so far. I really liked that we learned some about :daniel: 's past I am curious does :daniel: 's grandfather show up again?

[Callista]

I just finished watching season 3 and I have to say I loved Maternal Instinct and Crystal Skull. I think those are my Favorites so far. I really liked that we learned some about :daniel: 's past I am curious does :daniel: 's grandfather show up again?

Do you really want to know? If so:
No :( Daniel mentions him once very briefly in season 7. It's one of those sad dropped story lines so common in SG-1. I wouldn't have minded if they even just said he'd died at some point or something. As far as we know he's still off with the Giant Aliens.

I love those two episodes, too. My kids are sick of seeing Crystal Skull. (They just want to watch Urgo all the time.) We were at a rock store in the mall and they had these tiny little skulls made out of quartz and my girls and I were all staring into their eyes to see if they'd take us anywhere. Of course, it didn't work....(no pedestal, I guess.)

[DJgirl]

I just finished watching season 3 and I have to say I loved Maternal Instinct and Crystal Skull. I think those are my Favorites so far. I really liked that we learned some about :daniel: 's past I am curious does :daniel: 's grandfather show up again?


Hello All!! I am new to this thread. I have lurked on this one for a while and I am finally deciding to post. I spend most of my time over in the Daniel Thunking thread:D

My favorites from season three are Crystal Skull and Forever In A Day. I do admit though, it is tough to pick favorites since I believe season 3 to be the best season SG-1 ever had. I am slowly converting one of my friends to a Stargate fan. We watch an episode everynight when we work out and we are starting season 3 tonight. Very excited about that!!!

[Madeleine]

Non-spoilers for The Quest part II: it's the best Daniel ep since [the one where they went to Vala's goauld's homeworld] and possibly the best since Reckoning II. He's splendid, gets to do his mythology, thinking, derring do and...

okay, I've reached the limit of my non-spoiling abilities :o He even gets to act a little bit unhinged, something we got plenty of in earlier years but currently haven't seen since s7.

And you know that he's always wanted to get his head in one of those ancient head-suck things; or at least when the previous opportunity arose he was pretty much of the view that it would be not the worst type of death he'd ever experienced ;).

Apt that he should have it in his mind to control the device rather than vice versa; although he didn't quite manage it it's what the Daniel who fought Replicarter would have done.

Lovely scenes between Daniel, Vala and Cam, and although there was less opportunity for Sam and Teal'c to be part of Daniel's thread they were still involved. The scene where Vala and Cam argue over Daniel and Cam tells Vala that the hard part of the job is not to risk yourself but to see a friend risked, is just beautifully acted.

MS's acting is top notch throughout, which makes hte last scene even more chilling. He acts it so understated, as if he's got almost no feelings about his situation. He must be totally exhausted, totally without hope, or both.

Poor Daniel!

[JessM]

I just finished watching season 3 and I have to say I loved Maternal Instinct and Crystal Skull. I think those are my Favorites so far. I really liked that we learned some about :daniel: 's past I am curious does :daniel: 's grandfather show up again?


Do you really want to know? If so:
No :( Daniel mentions him once very briefly in season 7. It's one of those sad dropped story lines so common in SG-1. I wouldn't have minded if they even just said he'd died at some point or something. As far as we know he's still off with the Giant Aliens.

I love those two episodes, too. My kids are sick of seeing Crystal Skull. (They just want to watch Urgo all the time.) We were at a rock store in the mall and they had these tiny little skulls made out of quartz and my girls and I were all staring into their eyes to see if they'd take us anywhere. Of course, it didn't work....(no pedestal, I guess.)

*grin* Yeah I knew I left one out... I love Crystal Skull too. It was cool learning some more about Daniel's backstory and his relationship with his grandfather. There were some nice, touching scenes in that ep, like Hammond on the phone with his granddaughter, telling her he couldn't see her in her play because a good friend of his is in trouble or something like that. The look on Daniel's face as he listens... just so lovely. :)

I thought it was a shame we never heard anything else about Nick. I guess he is still off with the Giant Aliens. There are so many things in Stargate that have only been mentioned once or twice and have fallen off the radar screen... Nick, the Reetou... I wonder whatever happened to the Nox after Pretense? So many things I wish they'd revisit, if even just for fun. :)

LOL @ your kids, Callista - that's cute :D I guess the pedestal does make the difference there ;)

[JessM]

Non-spoilers for The Quest part II: it's the best Daniel ep since [the one where they went to Vala's goauld's homeworld] and possibly the best since Reckoning II. He's splendid, gets to do his mythology, thinking, derring do and...

okay, I've reached the limit of my non-spoiling abilities :o He even gets to act a little bit unhinged, something we got plenty of in earlier years but currently haven't seen since s7.

And you know that he's always wanted to get his head in one of those ancient head-suck things; or at least when the previous opportunity arose he was pretty much of the view that it would be not the worst type of death he'd ever experienced ;).

Apt that he should have it in his mind to control the device rather than vice versa; although he didn't quite manage it it's what the Daniel who fought Replicarter would have done.

Lovely scenes between Daniel, Vala and Cam, and although there was less opportunity for Sam and Teal'c to be part of Daniel's thread they were still involved. The scene where Vala and Cam argue over Daniel and Cam tells Vala that the hard part of the job is not to risk yourself but to see a friend risked, is just beautifully acted.

MS's acting is top notch throughout, which makes hte last scene even more chilling. He acts it so understated, as if he's got almost no feelings about his situation. He must be totally exhausted, totally without hope, or both.

Poor Daniel!

Thanks for the info, Madeleine :) I keep telling myself I will try to remain spoiler-free - but I can't help it... it's just too danged hard!

Sounds like a very good ep.

Sounds like some nice Daniel/Cam friendship there, which imo was long overdue. I'm disappointed that Sam and Teal'c don't seem to do much. Did either of them have any interaction whatsoever with Daniel?

[discodiva]

Thanks for the info, Madeleine :) I keep telling myself I will try to remain spoiler-free - but I can't help it... it's just too danged hard!

Sounds like a very good ep.

Sounds like some nice Daniel/Cam friendship there, which imo was long overdue. I'm disappointed that Sam and Teal'c don't seem to do much. Did either of them have any interaction whatsoever with Daniel?

What caught me right in the throat was at the end when it was obvious that Daniel was going to have to "hold" Adria at bay whilst the others escaped was Sam's cry of "we won't leave you behind" and Daniel's reassuring "I'll be right behind you"....(I may not have the exact words but it was pretty clear to me their concern for one another is still there....:sam: :daniel: )


It was a marvellous episode....what was great was the calibre of ALL the actors....absolutely "top notch" through and through....


Deeds xx

[JessM]

Thanks Deeds, that's very good to know! :)

The ep sounds amazing!

[Margaret]

MS's acting is top notch throughout, which makes hte last scene even more chilling. He acts it so understated, as if he's got almost no feelings about his situation. He must be totally exhausted, totally without hope, or both.

And totally lying to Adria. Like he lied to Vala about not knowing the Prometheus's security codes. Daniel can lie lie through his teeth when the situation calls for it. :p

[poundpuppy29]

spoilers for unaired eps, including ones following The Quest pt II


Adria better not hurt my baby!!!!!!!!!!!! What is she going to do with him? How does she do it? Turning him into a prior

[DJgirl]

spoilers for eps that follow Quest pt II

Adria better not hurt my baby!!!!!!!!!!!! What is she going to do with him? How does she do it? Turning him into a prior
[/QUOTE]


I am with you poundpuppy

It will be very interesting to find out exactly how she turns him. The episode was good on so many levels. Sam punching Ba'al might be the highlight!!! Well and any scene with Daniel of course ;)

Can't wait to watch it again tonight when I get home from work!!

[grasshopper64]

spoilers for eps that no one has seen yet cos they've not been broadcast.

Can't wait to see what happens with Adria and him becoming a prior, and getting him back, oh the angst;)
It was nice to see a bit of Cam/Daniel friendship and he finally called him "Daniel" wonder if he'll keep that up?



I so hope Sky One get the airing order right cos if they show The Bounty next week it won't make sense........

[DJgirl]

I agree that The Quest Pt 2 was a very good ep for Daniel.
I can't wait to see how this storyline develops.

[


Spoilers for Quest 2

I think the way Vala acted in this episode was awesome. You can tell that she truly cares, if not loves, Daniel very much. I have said it before, just not in here, but I think the way she was acting was very reminiscent of how Sam acted when Jack was "lost"! Can't wait to see that play out!!!

[JessM]

Okay I gotta ask this (think I might have asked on another thread too but was wondering what people thought)...

spoilers for The Quest Part 2

Didn't get to watch it yet but I read a transcript. Vala and Cam weren't the only ones who seemed worried/upset about Daniel, were they? I'd hope that, even after Daniel had died/gotten hurt quite a few times over the years, that Teal'c and Sam would be worried about their friend as well.

I'm probably making too big a deal over it but I'm a bit uncomfortable with the possibility that Vala may be the only one who cares enough about Daniel to be upset over what happened to him.

[DJgirl]

Okay I gotta ask this (think I might have asked on another thread too but was wondering what people thought)...

spoilers for The Quest Part 2

Didn't get to watch it yet but I read a transcript. Vala and Cam weren't the only ones who seemed worried/upset about Daniel, were they? I'd hope that, even after Daniel had died/gotten hurt quite a few times over the years, that Teal'c and Sam would be worried about their friend as well.

I'm probably making too big a deal over it but I'm a bit uncomfortable with the possibility that Vala may be the only one who cares enough about Daniel to be upset over what happened to him.

To answer your question:

No, you could tell that Sam is upset at the end. I think the difference is the fact that it becomes quite apparent about Vala's true feelings for Daniel in this episode. I think that Sam and Teal'c have seen Daniel disappear and re-appear so many times that they just have hope and figure he will come back. Cam and Vala haven't seen it as many times as the other two have.

[JessM]

I guess that makes sense, thanks. :)

Sorry if I'm being a pest about all this... I guess the whole ship thing bugs me way too much and the fact that my favorite friendship just had to die onscreen. Makes me wonder if I should stop being a fan of it and just go with all the popular ones. *depressed sigh*

I'm sorry I won't bring it up anymore and I hope no one hates me. It stinks being a fan of an unpopular illegitimate ship...

[Sprinkles]

I guess that makes sense, thanks. :)

Sorry if I'm being a pest about all this... I guess the whole ship thing bugs me way too much and the fact that my favorite friendship just had to die onscreen. Makes me wonder if I should stop being a fan of it and just go with all the popular ones. *depressed sigh*

I'm sorry I won't bring it up anymore and I hope no one hates me. It stinks being a fan of an unpopular illegitimate ship...

I'm also sorry Daniel and Sam havn't had more opportunity to interact ((JessM)) however the small snippets we do get in season 10 have seemed to show they still do care for each other even though they havn't been given the opportunity to express it substantially on screen. You need to do what ever will make you happy. This thread is for Daniels relationship with all the characters so it is the perfect place to discuss what interactions Daniel has had with Sam, Cam, Vala, Teal'c etc I have been enjoying reading your posts here, I just need to get online and post here more myself. :)

[DJgirl]

I guess that makes sense, thanks. :)

Sorry if I'm being a pest about all this... I guess the whole ship thing bugs me way too much and the fact that my favorite friendship just had to die onscreen. Makes me wonder if I should stop being a fan of it and just go with all the popular ones. *depressed sigh*

I'm sorry I won't bring it up anymore and I hope no one hates me. It stinks being a fan of an unpopular illegitimate ship...


I think Sprinkles said it perfectly!!

All of us on here like different aspects of the show. That is what makes this forum so great, to hear other people's point of view. It gives all of us adifferent perspective on what we are watching. Bring it up all you want. That is why we are all here:)

I have now watched it twice and I can tell you this:

Don't give up!! There are some very tender looks that Sam gives Daniel throughout the episode. Trust me the everlasting bond of friendship is still there:)

[JessM]

I'm also sorry Daniel and Sam havn't had more opportunity to interact ((JessM)) however the small snippets we do get in season 10 have seemed to show they still do care for each other even though they havn't been given the opportunity to express it substantially on screen. You need to do what ever will make you happy. This thread is for Daniels relationship with all the characters so it is the perfect place to discuss what interactions Daniel has had with Sam, Cam, Vala, Teal'c etc I have been enjoying reading your posts here, I just need to get online and post here more myself. :)

(((Sprinkles))) Thanks hon, I appreciate that. :) I guess I worry too much about bugging people. :o I am thankful for the small moments that we get and I hope to see more, although I'm not very optimistic. I guess all I can do to be happy is just live in my sunny little AU land where things are a bit better or try as hard as possible to just watch the show for Daniel/Michael and not even think about ship/friendship.


I think Sprinkles said it perfectly!!

All of us on here like different aspects of the show. That is what makes this forum so great, to hear other people's point of view. It gives all of us adifferent perspective on what we are watching. Bring it up all you want. That is why we are all here:)

I have now watched it twice and I can tell you this:

Don't give up!! There are some very tender looks that Sam gives Daniel throughout the episode. Trust me the everlasting bond of friendship is still there:)

Thanks DJgirl. :) guess I'll continue here in spoilers, even though I'm not sure they're needed... That is good to know. :) I guess the issue for me is whether or not Daniel acknowledges it or reciprocates.... though I guess he didn't have much of an opportunity to do so this time around, huh?

[DJgirl]

Thanks DJgirl. :) guess I'll continue here in spoilers, even though I'm not sure they're needed... That is good to know. :) I guess the issue for me is whether or not Daniel acknowledges it or reciprocates.... though I guess he didn't have much of an opportunity to do so this time around, huh?


Spoilers just to be safe ;)

Well in a way he does reciprocate, the way Daniel knows best, by being selfless and saving her(Sam) and the rest of the team. She doesn't want to leave him.

Isn't that why we love him so much?? Well besides the fact that he is the most gorgeous man in the Universe:D

[Madeleine]

People, please, if you're going to spoil eps that haven't yet aired, please label your spoilers. And label them for the ep they're for, not for "Quest pt II". I thought I'd be safe clicking on a spoiler for Quest II, what with me having seen it and all the preceeding eps, but great, I get an In Your Face reminder of something that some thoughtless person spoiled me for several months ago and that I'd managed to forget; but given what just happenned in the show and the short time frame till the ep gets aired, no way will I be able to forget it again and watch the ep unspoiled. And my word, what a Big Deal it would have been if I'd seen it unspoiled.

:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad:

[/vent]

[JessM]

Spoilers just to be safe ;)

Well in a way he does reciprocate, the way Daniel knows best, by being selfless and saving her(Sam) and the rest of the team. She doesn't want to leave him.

Isn't that why we love him so much?? Well besides the fact that he is the most gorgeous man in the Universe:D

Yeah, I guess you have a point there. :) I was also talking more in general about the season so far... that it seems she shows more care or concern or friendship or whatever for him in certain situations than he does for her... which I guess is one of the things influencing my belief that the friendship is not as strong as it used to be.

I guess that's just crazy talk though.. :o

Certainly can't forget that he's gorgeous :cool:

[JessM]

People, please, if you're going to spoil eps that haven't yet aired, please label your spoilers. And label them for the ep they're for, not for "Quest pt II". I thought I'd be safe clicking on a spoiler for Quest II, what with me having seen it and all the preceeding eps, but great, I get an In Your Face reminder of something that some thoughtless person spoiled me for several months ago and that I'd managed to forget; but given what just happenned in the show and the short time frame till the ep gets aired, no way will I be able to forget it again and watch the ep unspoiled. And my word, what a Big Deal it would have been if I'd seen it unspoiled.

:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad:

[/vent]

Um... *confused* Are you talking about me? I checked back through my posts and I don't think I spoiled for anything else other than Quest II, including the ep that I suspect you're talking about.

If I did I'm sorry.... *feeling really guilty* :(

[DJgirl]

People, please, if you're going to spoil eps that haven't yet aired, please label your spoilers. And label them for the ep they're for, not for "Quest pt II". I thought I'd be safe clicking on a spoiler for Quest II, what with me having seen it and all the preceeding eps, but great, I get an In Your Face reminder of something that some thoughtless person spoiled me for several months ago and that I'd managed to forget; but given what just happenned in the show and the short time frame till the ep gets aired, no way will I be able to forget it again and watch the ep unspoiled. And my word, what a Big Deal it would have been if I'd seen it unspoiled.

:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad:

[/vent]

I don't think it was mine as all my spoilers were about Quest II but I will make sure all spoilers are properly labeled in the future!!

[JessM]

Yeah I'm pretty sure mine were too (at least I really HOPE they were)... but yeah it is a good thing to just keep in mind for the future. :)

[Margaret]

Spoilerbabes,

Go back and look at your posts.

If it says "Last edited by Madeline W." at the bottom . . . well, then you know. :o

[poundpuppy29]

People, please, if you're going to spoil eps that haven't yet aired, please label your spoilers. And label them for the ep they're for, not for "Quest pt II". I thought I'd be safe clicking on a spoiler for Quest II, what with me having seen it and all the preceeding eps, but great, I get an In Your Face reminder of something that some thoughtless person spoiled me for several months ago and that I'd managed to forget; but given what just happenned in the show and the short time frame till the ep gets aired, no way will I be able to forget it again and watch the ep unspoiled. And my word, what a Big Deal it would have been if I'd seen it unspoiled.

:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad:

[/vent]
I am sorry I didn't mean to I thought I did the right thing by putting it in spoilers. My mistake I will try to label them better next time.

[Dani347]

I'm sorry I won't bring it up anymore and I hope no one hates me. It stinks being a fan of an unpopular illegitimate ship...

Why would anyone hate you?

[Madeleine]

I'm over it :)

I was at work today, and I find that composing letters in my head that I know I'm not actually going to send ("Dear Customer, the reason your Mortgage Balance has gone up is because you've neglected to make any payments in two months. What the heck did you *think* would happen, were the Mortgage Faries going to pay the interest off for you?") is remarkably therapeutic.

And who knows, perhaps the shock of seeing it unspoiled would have given me palpitations ;)

[JessM]

Why would anyone hate you?

I guess I am a little self-conscious and think everyone is tired of me harping on these things all the time. I don't think they'd hate me per se, I guess my wording was a little strong 'cause I was in a pretty bad mood that day...

...guess I really meant that I hoped I wasn't bugging everyone too much :o

[JessM]

I'm over it :)

I was at work today, and I find that composing letters in my head that I know I'm not actually going to send ("Dear Customer, the reason your Mortgage Balance has gone up is because you've neglected to make any payments in two months. What the heck did you *think* would happen, were the Mortgage Faries going to pay the interest off for you?") is remarkably therapeutic.

And who knows, perhaps the shock of seeing it unspoiled would have given me palpitations ;)

Glad to hear it! :D I wasn't in such a good mood before when I made my posts (especially the "hope no one hates me" one) because I had a frustrating day dealing with computers constantly being on the fritz. Wish my boss had done something about the one who's drive started failing a year ago, but he just let it sit and now is causing more problems.... wanted to triple zat that sucker. :samanime15: Hopefully everything should be fixed after tomorrow. :)

[Dani347]

I guess I am a little self-conscious and think everyone is tired of me harping on these things all the time. I don't think they'd hate me per se, I guess my wording was a little strong 'cause I was in a pretty bad mood that day...

...guess I really meant that I hoped I wasn't bugging everyone too much :o

Trust me, you don't even make the top 50 of harpers. I've harped on the Jack and Daniel friendship, Daniel being wallpapered, Daniel not wearing his glasses enough, people not being concerned enough about Daniel. You need a dead horse to beat, I'm your woman. And, everyone thinks I'm a big old ray of sunshine, so you have nothing to worry about. (Okay, maybe I'm deluding myself on the ray of sunshine thing)

[JessM]

(((Dani))) Thanks, hon. :D Wow... yeah I thought I was bad... lol ;) Nah you are a bit old ray of sunshine. :)

[poundpuppy29]

Spoilers for Family Ties

I would like see how :daniel: interacts with :vala: 's father. That should be interesting. Deal with girl's father. I am sure :vala: 's father is very different than Sha're's father.


He hasn't had to do that since season 3

[DJgirl]

Spoilers for Family Ties

I would like see how :daniel: interacts with :vala: 's father. That should be interesting. Deal with girl's father. I am sure :vala: 's father is very different than Sha're's father.


He hasn't had to do that since season 3

Spoilers for Family Ties

Especially with her father being portrayed by Fred Willard. He is such a funny actor!!! It should make for a very enjoyable episode.

[discodiva]

Trust me, you don't even make the top 50 of harpers. I've harped on the Jack and Daniel friendship, Daniel being wallpapered, Daniel not wearing his glasses enough, people not being concerned enough about Daniel. You need a dead horse to beat, I'm your woman. And, everyone thinks I'm a big old ray of sunshine, so you have nothing to worry about. (Okay, maybe I'm deluding myself on the ray of sunshine thing)



LOL!...better to be a bunch of harpers than a bunch of harpies....;)


Sadly I'm fresh out of dead horses at the moment....:P


Deeds xx

[Madeleine]

I've got a whole herd of equine zombies that anyone can borrow who wants to.

-Bandanna / boonie
-Lifeboat not being a Daniel ep cos Daniel was only in about two scenes (although MS was there lots)
-Daniel and Teal'c having so few episodes that centre on their relationship
-That Outfit in Summit / Last Stand - unflattering or what?
-Yes I know he's not the same in s10 as in s1, how could he be after death, torture, widowhood and some spectacular disasters?
-Long hair or short hair?

Help yourselves :D

(Or not :D:D)

[Frostfox]

Now that's interesting.
Spoilers for Quest part 2.

Just watched for a second time.
Our Daniel is just a sliver away from being an Ascended again. The TK and calling the lightening from the skies to slaughter Adria's men, as in the episode on Kheb - Maternal Instinct?
The only thing against this are the bruises Adria leaves when she beats the hell out of him before flinging him out of the cave. Somehow, I didn't think the Ascended would be damaged like that by mere physical force?
How interesting, I wonder where they will go with this?

I did enjoy this episode a lot. Particularly snarky!Sam! punching Ba'al. But I wish it had been Sam/Teal'c/Jack clucking over Daniel rather than Cam/Val - nothing against them, I just love the first team most of all.

FF :nox:

[Sprinkles]

I've got a whole herd of equine zombies that anyone can borrow who wants to.

-Bandanna / boonie
-Lifeboat not being a Daniel ep cos Daniel was only in about two scenes (although MS was there lots)
-Daniel and Teal'c having so few episodes that centre on their relationship
-That Outfit in Summit / Last Stand - unflattering or what?
-Yes I know he's not the same in s10 as in s1, how could he be after death, torture, widowhood and some spectacular disasters?
-Long hair or short hair?

Help yourselves :D

(Or not :D:D)

*ponders your list* yes I can see were your coming from here:


I refer you to my sig :D however I'm not a fussy person. push comes to shove I'll take him as I find him :P ;)
I loved this epiosde but just because if I can't have Daniel, Mr Shanks is a pretty good sub :D
Yeah what was that outfit all about :s
I completely agree, It's one of the reasons I like the episode Avartar so much
I miss season 1 Daniel...but he's still my favourite character
Oooohhh now thats a tougie!


I don't have many, I don't normally think that beyond, whoa that was so cool and meh I'll take it or leave it :p


Daniel not having the team and caring moments I would have liked to have seen in seasons 4 through 8 with few exceptions.
Why don't we see him in t-shirts more often!!
What does Daniel do outside work?
He is not steriotype!!

[Madeleine]

Now that's interesting.
Spoilers for Quest part 2.

Just watched for a second time.
Our Daniel is just a sliver away from being an Ascended again. The TK and calling the lightening from the skies to slaughter Adria's men, as in the episode on Kheb - Maternal Instinct?
The only thing against this are the bruises Adria leaves when she beats the hell out of him before flinging him out of the cave. Somehow, I didn't think the Ascended would be damaged like that by mere physical force?
How interesting, I wonder where they will go with this?

We know that there is at least one stage between mortality and ascension - qv Anubis. Maybe there are more than one. Merlin might have been part way there, enough to keep his 'magic' but not enough to be bound by the Ascended Beings Prime Directive. And Daniel could have got there on his own using the knowledge of Merlin, or he could have got there directly from Merlin having seeded the headsuker with a partial ascension upgrade.

I think he's likely lost everything he got from Merlin, but it' not impossible that he's got something up his sleeve that he'll use to thwart Adria when the time is right :)

[Callista]

Daniel not having the team and caring moments I would have liked to have seen in seasons 4 through 8 with few exceptions.
Why don't we see him in t-shirts more often!!
What does Daniel do outside work?
He is not steriotype!!



I agree. T-shirts are important.

I suspect he mows the lawns of any little old ladies that live nearby. In that little house of his, there have got to be tons of little old ladies around. Also, I suspect he wears a T-shirt while he's mowing.

And, HEY! Why didn't I ever know about this LIST thing? That's cool! *goes off to think of lists so she can use shiny new toy*

[Madeleine]

What does Daniel do outside work?
Ooh! Ooh! I know that one, he's a Secret Ninja. MS said so at a con once :)

[Callista]

spoiler for Quest 2We know that there is at least one stage between mortality and ascension - qv Anubis. Maybe there are more than one. Merlin might have been part way there, enough to keep his 'magic' but not enough to be bound by the Ascended Beings Prime Directive. And Daniel could have got there on his own using the knowledge of Merlin, or he could have got there directly from Merlin having seeded the headsuker with a partial ascension upgrade.


Not really a spoiler, but responding to one above:
Actually, someone did say that there were many stages of existance between ascension and mortality when he was in the diner, right? I can't remember if it was Oma or Anubis that said that, though.

[JessM]

Spoilers for Family Ties

Especially with her father being portrayed by Fred Willard. He is such a funny actor!!! It should make for a very enjoyable episode.

And continuing spoilers for Family Ties...

I can't wait to see how everyone interacts with her father and I agree as far as Fred Willard goes... it's gotta be interesting, I'll give you that. :)

[Callista]

Ooh! Ooh! I know that one, he's a Secret Ninja. MS said so at a con once :)

Ahh. Things are becoming clear. I was wondering why there were so many fanfics with "Daniel as a ninja" themes. It seemed rather odd.

[Sprinkles]

Ooh! Ooh! I know that one, he's a Secret Ninja. MS said so at a con once :)

Ah yes I remember someone reporting that...wait...oh oh oh!!...I have an idea for the third series!!! ;)

I'd watch it anyway :P :D

[discodiva]

I agree. T-shirts are important.

I suspect he mows the lawns of any little old ladies that live nearby. In that little house of his, there have got to be tons of little old ladies around. Also, I suspect he wears a T-shirt while he's mowing.

And, HEY! Why didn't I ever know about this LIST thing? That's cool! *goes off to think of lists so she can use shiny new toy*


Well I'm well on the way to becoming a little old lady.....he can come and mow my lawn anytime he wants.....;)

T-shirt = good...:)
Summit jammies = v.bad...:eek:

Deeds xx

[Sprinkles]

I agree. T-shirts are important.

I suspect he mows the lawns of any little old ladies that live nearby. In that little house of his, there have got to be tons of little old ladies around. Also, I suspect he wears a T-shirt while he's mowing.

And, HEY! Why didn't I ever know about this LIST thing? That's cool! *goes off to think of lists so she can use shiny new toy*

Yes, T-shirt's are very underrated :)

Thamks Callista, I'll keep that image for my dullest admin work...Daniel pushing a lawnmower (has to be petrol - don't know why) in a tight t-shirt (sleaves rolled up)...arms glistening with perspiration...err I'll finish that thought in the thunk thread ahem :)

Yeah just discovered the list thing myself :cool:

[Dani347]

I've got a whole herd of equine zombies that anyone can borrow who wants to.

-Bandanna / boonie
-Lifeboat not being a Daniel ep cos Daniel was only in about two scenes (although MS was there lots)
-Daniel and Teal'c having so few episodes that centre on their relationship
-That Outfit in Summit / Last Stand - unflattering or what?
-Yes I know he's not the same in s10 as in s1, how could he be after death, torture, widowhood and some spectacular disasters?
-Long hair or short hair?

Help yourselves :D

(Or not :D:D)


1. Boonie!
2. I actually think Lifeboat is a fantastic Janet episode
3. Yes
4. Ditto
5. True. And, he's not just Action Jackson in season 10.
6. Well, long hair is nice, but the length it is now is okay. But, not too short.

[DJgirl]

I've got a whole herd of equine zombies that anyone can borrow who wants to.

-Bandanna / boonie
-Lifeboat not being a Daniel ep cos Daniel was only in about two scenes (although MS was there lots)
-Daniel and Teal'c having so few episodes that centre on their relationship
-That Outfit in Summit / Last Stand - unflattering or what?
-Yes I know he's not the same in s10 as in s1, how could he be after death, torture, widowhood and some spectacular disasters?
-Long hair or short hair?

Help yourselves :D

(Or not :D:D)

1. Bandanna
2.I have to agree with Dani about this being a great Janet ep
3.It would be nice to have more friendship eps with both Teal'c and Daniel and Sam and Daniel
4.The pajamas...I thought they were funny!!
5. He isn't the same but I still love the character. After everything that has happened to him like you mentioned, how could he not change
6. I like the short hair, especially this season's cut. Very flattering. But I wouldn't say no to him with long hair either :danielanime13:

[Margaret]

I always used to prefer the long hair, but in Season 10 I changed my mind.

Boy, is Daniel ever good-looking in Season 10!

[1DanielForMe]

I just love my Daniel any way.

By the way, does anyone have any idea what's up with the second half of season 10? I heard Daniel comes back as something of a villain. I can't believe he could actually turn bad. I mean, whatever's going on, things must work out at some point and Daniel must go back to being Daniel. Still, this is making me really nervous.

[Daniel's shadow]

I've got a whole herd of equine zombies that anyone can borrow who wants to.

-Bandanna / boonie
-Lifeboat not being a Daniel ep cos Daniel was only in about two scenes (although MS was there lots)
-Daniel and Teal'c having so few episodes that centre on their relationship
-That Outfit in Summit / Last Stand - unflattering or what?
-Yes I know he's not the same in s10 as in s1, how could he be after death, torture, widowhood and some spectacular disasters?
-Long hair or short hair?

Help yourselves :D

(Or not :D:D)


Hmmm after a lengthy introspection I would say I would take the man in any forms he comes in. :D

I mean come on, one look at the guy one and those puppy dog eyes..... combined with that pout.... ;)

Here's another one to add to the list...

-If the sarcophagus can bring Daniel back to life why couldn't/shouldn't it fix his eyesight?

:daniel: :D

[1DanielForMe]

Well, first of all, it can if he uses it more than once or twice, as in "Need", otherwise I suppose there is not enough power or whatever to take away all "shortcomings". Of course, the irony is that the very fact a person ends up losing who they really are by use of the sarcophagus is a far greater shortcoming. I love Daniel with all my heart, not for what he looks like, but for who he is. He is precious to me, and I would never consider his physical appearance of such importance that I would hold it over what truly makes him Daniel: his soul. The sarcophagus takes that away, or at least suppresses it, and is therefore an utterly horrid device. Anyway, I don't see that there is anything wrong with the fact that he wears glasses. I mean, I wear glasses. Even if I didn't, though, there would still be nothing wrong with the fact that Daniel does (not that he wouldn't still be wonderful if he didn't have to wear glasses, I mean, as long as it wasn't because he used the sarcophagus, obviously, that's my whole point).

[grasshopper64]

Ooh! Ooh! I know that one, he's a Secret Ninja. MS said so at a con once :)


Now I have visions of Daniel running around graveyards and dark alleys fighting vampires, zombies and ghouls a la Buffy:)

[grasshopper64]

I've got a whole herd of equine zombies that anyone can borrow who wants to.

-Bandanna / boonie
-Lifeboat not being a Daniel ep cos Daniel was only in about two scenes (although MS was there lots)
-Daniel and Teal'c having so few episodes that centre on their relationship
-That Outfit in Summit / Last Stand - unflattering or what?
-Yes I know he's not the same in s10 as in s1, how could he be after death, torture, widowhood and some spectacular disasters?
-Long hair or short hair?

Help yourselves :D

(Or not :D:D)


- Bandana definitely - Daniel just wears it so well
- Life boat - well Daniel was in there somewhere, but I do think MS acted it brilliantly, I think it was a hard thing to pull off but he did a good job.
- Daniel/Teal'c yes but I thought Forever in a Day, The Changeling and Orpheus were good for them both.
- Yes that outfit was a bit odd, the ones in recent times have been much more erm flattering;)
- Yes Daniel has changed, but I think in some S10 eps he has been way OTT snarky which I haven't like IMO, but the old Daniel is still there.
- I prefer the short hair, not too short like it was around S4/5, but I think the best is S8 onwards.

[Dani347]

Hmmm after a lengthy introspection I

Here's another one to add to the list...

-If the sarcophagus can bring Daniel back to life why couldn't/shouldn't it fix his eyesight?

:daniel: :D

Because I'd blow the sucker up! Sucker meaning the sarcophagus, not Daniel.

[Pitry]

I've got a whole herd of equine zombies that anyone can borrow who wants to.

-Bandanna / boonie
-Lifeboat not being a Daniel ep cos Daniel was only in about two scenes (although MS was there lots)
-Daniel and Teal'c having so few episodes that centre on their relationship
-That Outfit in Summit / Last Stand - unflattering or what?
-Yes I know he's not the same in s10 as in s1, how could he be after death, torture, widowhood and some spectacular disasters?
-Long hair or short hair?

Help yourselves :D

(Or not :D:D)

1. Oh, definitely bandana.
2. yup, I'll jump on the bandwagon on it being a lvoely Janet episode... which is all that's lvoely about it, by far not one of my favouriets.
3. Sniff. So so true? (mmm... the Changeling. Love this one. Did they actually have to have Daniel die in order for these two to get a bit of a moment?)
4. Horrid!
5. ;)
6. I dunno. If it's season 1 vs. seaosn 10 than season 1. If it's 2 vs 3 than 3. depends on how bad his hair day was I guess. I actualy really voed his hair on season 3.
Too short now.

[discodiva]

I've got a whole herd of equine zombies that anyone can borrow who wants to.

-Bandanna / boonie
-Lifeboat not being a Daniel ep cos Daniel was only in about two scenes (although MS was there lots)
-Daniel and Teal'c having so few episodes that centre on their relationship
-That Outfit in Summit / Last Stand - unflattering or what?
-Yes I know he's not the same in s10 as in s1, how could he be after death, torture, widowhood and some spectacular disasters?
-Long hair or short hair?

Help yourselves :D

(Or not :D:D)

1. Without doubt the bandana - and green is best I think
2. As much as MS is great in it - and Teryl too - the story did not grab me one bit and it's probably my least fav MS/centric episode
3. Yep very sad at the lack of T/D interaction - although when they do it's verrrry good stuff...:tealc: :daniel:
4. Slave-boy Jammies - well what can you say?.....:confused: ....although they did lead to one very *cough*interesting*cough* picture which crops up on the DJ Thunk Thread from time to time....;)
5. I think he's grown pretty well - and for those who are fed up with the "snark" these past 2 Seasons - well we all get cranky as we get older and on top of what he's had to put up with I don't blame him when certain people get on his nerves....;)
6. He's actually looking pretty darned hot this season I must say....I don't mind the long hair as he was very cute when younger - just as long as THAT haircut from the "Out of Mind"/"Into The Fire" period never resurfaces!....:eek:


Deeds xx

[DJgirl]

5. I think he's grown pretty well - and for those who are fed up with the "snark" these past 2 Seasons - well we all get cranky as we get older and on top of what he's had to put up with I don't blame him when certain people get on his nerves....
6. He's actually looking pretty darned hot this season I must say....I don't mind the long hair as he was very cute when younger - just as long as THAT haircut from the "Out of Mind"/"Into The Fire" period never resurfaces!....:eek:


Deeds xx

I totally agree with you Deeds. I would think after countless times of saving the world and everything that he has gone through, it would change him and make him cranky from time to time.

I think that was his worst cut. Made him look like a child:lol:

[Dani347]

It appears I'm the only person with a fondness for the boonie. Of course Daniel can't be the same as he was 10 years ago, but it brings to mind pleasant memories of plant boy, and See! See! See!, and shouting into empty rooms just in case someone might be listening.

[discodiva]

It appears I'm the only person with a fondness for the boonie. Of course Daniel can't be the same as he was 10 years ago, but it brings to mind pleasant memories of plant boy, and See! See! See!, and shouting into empty rooms just in case someone might be listening.


Actually I do agree......I think Plant Boy was the boonie's finest hour.....I know a lot of people really hate that episode.....well I'm making no apologies but I loved it......it seemed so quintessentially early Daniel.....it's one episode that reminded me of the James Spader Daniel for some reason....why I have no idea...:confused: .......but it just did....:)


Deeds xx *all ears* ;)

[DJgirl]

Actually I do agree......I think Plant Boy was the boonie's finest hour.....I know a lot of people really hate that episode.....well I'm making no apologies but I loved it......it seemed so quintessentially early Daniel.....it's one episode that reminded me of the James Spader Daniel for some reason....why I have no idea...:confused: .......but it just did....:)


Deeds xx *all ears* ;)

Just watched that episode last week. I enjoy it very much and my friend did too as a first time watcher. I like Bandaniel better, but I have to agree that Plant Boy was the boonie's best ep!

[JessM]

I've got a whole herd of equine zombies that anyone can borrow who wants to.

-Bandanna / boonie
-Lifeboat not being a Daniel ep cos Daniel was only in about two scenes (although MS was there lots)
-Daniel and Teal'c having so few episodes that centre on their relationship
-That Outfit in Summit / Last Stand - unflattering or what?
-Yes I know he's not the same in s10 as in s1, how could he be after death, torture, widowhood and some spectacular disasters?
-Long hair or short hair?

Help yourselves :D

(Or not :D:D)

Ooh can't believe I missed this :D

-As most people from the Pond know I'm a boonie girl so you're not the only one, Dani :D Of course don't really mind bandana either...
-I always saw Lifeboat as a Daniel ep, thought MS did a great job, but it's not really one of my faves
-I regret that there haven't been many episodes featuring the Daniel/Teal'c friendship, especially lately. Would love to see some more of that, as well as Daniel and Sam (though I've beat that dead horse once too many I think ;))
-Slave Boy... um... the arm things were a bit odd I thought...meh...
-I know Daniel had to change, it was inevitable... I don't hate the snark or anything but I think there have been times when it was a bit too OTT for my tastes, especially this season.
-Again most people from the Pond know I love the S1-2 long hair and always will :D Short hair doesn't bother me though I wasn't crazy about it in S4/5. I do like S7-8 hair. His hair is okay now but sometimes a tad too short for my tastes...

[grasshopper64]

Actually I do agree......I think Plant Boy was the boonie's finest hour.....I know a lot of people really hate that episode.....well I'm making no apologies but I loved it......it seemed so quintessentially early Daniel.....it's one episode that reminded me of the James Spader Daniel for some reason....why I have no idea...:confused: .......but it just did....:)


Deeds xx *all ears* ;)


I loved One False Step it cracks me up every time, I don't know how they managed to film it and keep a straight face:)

Daniel's aeroplane impression was hilarious, not to mention the early Jack/Daniel banter (Jack calling him flaky, Daniel calling him ignorant and condescending, not to mention the infirmary apologies scene;) )
sorry am reminiscing now.....

[JessM]

I totally agree with you Deeds. I would think after countless times of saving the world and everything that he has gone through, it would change him and make him cranky from time to time.

I think that was his worst cut. Made him look like a child:lol:

Same here... on some other site someone once said they thought he looked a bit like the kid in the movie A Christmas Story, lol ;) Whenever someone posts pics from Out of Mind I have to try hard to ignore the hair and focus on something a lot better like that chest :cool:

Shame it was never mentioned how and why Daniel cut it (I know why MS did). Another thing I thought was interesting was how his hair got blonder towards the end of S2. It always appeared like a light brown w/blondish highlights and then suddenly around The Fifth Race it looked like he spent a lot of time in the sun or had it lightened/bleached some other way. :confused:

[Pitry]

Miew, Quest part 2 comments.

Other than MS' lovely somehwat unhinged Daniel in this episode, I really loved the place where this one ended for Daniel.
I suspect I'm going back to my strong belief Daniel's optimism has died - adn if it hadnt til now, it's bound to with the ending of Quest 2. Can Daniel actually remain optimist with the situation he's in? Merlin's weapon is gone - for all purposes, I think the war with the Orii is lost (barring the somewhat obvious interfering from the Ancients I'm now sure will happen at the end of season 10.).
So I'm definitely interested, from those who think Daniel maanged to keep on his hope - where's that light? Cos I don't see it. (that was a question, not a challenge;)) It doesn't seem as if they have any way out - and Daniel certainly doesn't.

Another questino I'm interested in - I'm not sure how Daniel is going to come out of this entire mess - but when he does, will he be able to regain his optimism - or even a sense of optimism? Or is that gone forever?

[JessM]

It appears I'm the only person with a fondness for the boonie. Of course Daniel can't be the same as he was 10 years ago, but it brings to mind pleasant memories of plant boy, and See! See! See!, and shouting into empty rooms just in case someone might be listening.

You're not alone! :) (see my second to last post)


Actually I do agree......I think Plant Boy was the boonie's finest hour.....I know a lot of people really hate that episode.....well I'm making no apologies but I loved it......it seemed so quintessentially early Daniel.....it's one episode that reminded me of the James Spader Daniel for some reason....why I have no idea...:confused: .......but it just did....:)


Deeds xx *all ears* ;)

I loved Plant Boy... best boonie ep imho. That was one of the first early season eps I ever saw when I became a fan. My mom never liked it - said it was boring. I loved it though... loved the Jack/Daniel banter, loved that cute smile of Daniel's when he told them all to smile for the aliens, the imitation of the UAV... he did seem reminiscent of the Spader Daniel, maybe because of how he tries to communicate and reach out to the aliens? It almost reminded me of how Daniel from the film tried to talk to the Abydonians... or something like that, anyway. :)

[DJgirl]

Same here... on some other site someone once said they thought he looked a bit like the kid in the movie A Christmas Story, lol ;) Whenever someone posts pics from Out of Mind I have to try hard to ignore the hair and focus on something a lot better like that chest :cool:

Shame it was never mentioned how and why Daniel cut it (I know why MS did). Another thing I thought was interesting was how his hair got blonder towards the end of S2. It always appeared like a light brown w/blondish highlights and then suddenly around The Fifth Race it looked like he spent a lot of time in the sun or had it lightened/bleached some other way. :confused:


You know I just noticed the lightening of the hair as I was watching those episodes the past few weeks. My friend even made a comment to me about it and I started paying attention. So why did MS cut it if I might ask??


I loved Plant Boy... best boonie ep imho. That was one of the first early season eps I ever saw when I became a fan. My mom never liked it - said it was boring. I loved it though... loved the Jack/Daniel banter, loved that cute smile of Daniel's when he told them all to smile for the aliens, the imitation of the UAV... he did seem reminiscent of the Spader Daniel, maybe because of how he tries to communicate and reach out to the aliens? It almost reminded me of how Daniel from the film tried to talk to the Abydonians... or something like that, anyway.

The Daniel/Jack banter doesn't get much better then in this episode. The first time I saw this episode made me really appreciate Daniel as the liason if you will of the team. Doesn't matter the alien, he is the first to introduce himself and try to make contact.

[strider6]

You know I just noticed the lightening of the hair as I was watching those episodes the past few weeks. My friend even made a comment to me about it and I started paying attention. So why did MS cut it if I might ask??

The Daniel/Jack banter doesn't get much better then in this episode. The first time I saw this episode made me really appreciate Daniel as the liason if you will of the team. Doesn't matter the alien, he is the first to introduce himself and try to make contact.

He cut his hair cuz he was in a production of Hamlet. That's the reason it was cut in that style. I agree with everyone else who thought it was very unflattering.

I also enjoyed Plant Boy episode. Ep had some terrific Jack/Daniel interaction, combined with some very humorous moments.

[DJgirl]

He cut his hair cuz he was in a production of Hamlet. That's the reason it was cut in that style. I agree with everyone else who thought it was very unflattering.

That does explain alot....thanks!

[strider6]

Ooh can't believe I missed this :D

-As most people from the Pond know I'm a boonie girl so you're not the only one, Dani :D Of course don't really mind bandana either...
-I always saw Lifeboat as a Daniel ep, thought MS did a great job, but it's not really one of my faves
-I regret that there haven't been many episodes featuring the Daniel/Teal'c friendship, especially lately. Would love to see some more of that, as well as Daniel and Sam (though I've beat that dead horse once too many I think ;))
-Slave Boy... um... the arm things were a bit odd I thought...meh...
-I know Daniel had to change, it was inevitable... I don't hate the snark or anything but I think there have been times when it was a bit too OTT for my tastes, especially this season.
-Again most people from the Pond know I love the S1-2 long hair and always will :D Short hair doesn't bother me though I wasn't crazy about it in S4/5. I do like S7-8 hair. His hair is okay now but sometimes a tad too short for my tastes...

-I like Daniel in the bandana, boonie, and no headgear. I'm not picky. MS is just HOT, no matter what he wears, (or even better, what he doesn't wear-lol)
-I agree that there could have been more Teal'c/Daniel scenes. There have been many over the years, but they have been brief ones. Changeling is one of my favorites for that.
-Slave boy outfit is a bit weird, but there have been some strange costumes over the years. Hathor's comes to mind at the moment. Slave boy outfit at least allows for nice arm porn.
-After 10 years, I would expect Daniel to change. I must admit there are times I miss his earlier sense of wonder. I thought, at times, he was way too snarky with Vala.
-I like both styles of his hair. Many guys cut their hair as they get older. My preference is the short hair style.

[JessM]

You know I just noticed the lightening of the hair as I was watching those episodes the past few weeks. My friend even made a comment to me about it and I started paying attention. So why did MS cut it if I might ask??

I agree with Strider - he cut it because of Hamlet. He was doing that during the hiatus - Jan. I think, and he knew the hair would still be short when they started production on S3, so to keep continuity I guess he had it cut for the last ep of S2. The style was pretty unflattering. I think maybe it should have been cut more gradually, or more layered or something. That said, I kinda liked the S3 hair. :)

There's a funny fic that tries to explain how Daniel's hair got like that: Daniel's Haircut (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2429445/1/)

Still clueless on the lightening of the hair color though. I know he was asked in an interview during S2 if his hair is blonde or brown... he said it used to be blonde but now he's brunette 'cause his hair doesn't get the sun like it used to. So either he was in the sun a lot or had it frosted/lightened for some reason.


The Daniel/Jack banter doesn't get much better then in this episode. The first time I saw this episode made me really appreciate Daniel as the liason if you will of the team. Doesn't matter the alien, he is the first to introduce himself and try to make contact.

Exactly :D And you could tell how he cared for them, how much it bothered them that they were dying, from that scene with him and Jack in his lab where he had that sort of tantrum (I know part of his behavior was due to that noise from the plants but I think the feelings were genuine).

[DJgirl]

I agree with Strider - he cut it because of Hamlet. He was doing that during the hiatus - Jan. I think, and he knew the hair would still be short when they started production on S3, so to keep continuity I guess he had it cut for the last ep of S2. The style was pretty unflattering. I think maybe it should have been cut more gradually, or more layered or something. That said, I kinda liked the S3 hair. :)

Still clueless on the lightening of the hair color though. I know he was asked in an interview during S2 if his hair is blonde or brown... he said it used to be blonde but now he's brunette 'cause his hair doesn't get the sun like it used to. So either he was in the sun a lot or had it frosted/lightened for some reason.



Season 3(after the first ep of the season) and season 10 are my favorite cuts. The length in 3 was looked great on him! But this season, Woah Baby!!

[Dani347]

Hee! People picked a best boonie episode. I agree. One False Step just wouldn't be the same without the boonie. It added that extra something.

[JessM]

Yeah, S3 was a nice length. :) Short but still had some length and body in the back (omg, can't believe I'm actually talking about this stuff, lol :o). Hair isn't too bad this season (though I like it a bit better in S7 and 8). Have to admit it's kind of funny when it seems to stick straight up, like, oh, here...

(don't think it needs spoilers, but just in case... spoilers for MM)


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/jessmac/Stargate/Daniel/bod/SG10-08-0001a.jpg

I feel so tempted to just comb it down, lol!

[JessM]

Hee! People picked a best boonie episode. I agree. One False Step just wouldn't be the same without the boonie. It added that extra something.

Just a bit of boonie magic. ;)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/jessmac/Stargate/falsestep106.jpg

[Callista]

Miew, Quest part 2 comments.

Other than MS' lovely somehwat unhinged Daniel in this episode, I really loved the place where this one ended for Daniel.
I suspect I'm going back to my strong belief Daniel's optimism has died - adn if it hadnt til now, it's bound to with the ending of Quest 2. Can Daniel actually remain optimist with the situation he's in? Merlin's weapon is gone - for all purposes, I think the war with the Orii is lost (barring the somewhat obvious interfering from the Ancients I'm now sure will happen at the end of season 10.).
So I'm definitely interested, from those who think Daniel maanged to keep on his hope - where's that light? Cos I don't see it. (that was a question, not a challenge;)) It doesn't seem as if they have any way out - and Daniel certainly doesn't.

Another questino I'm interested in - I'm not sure how Daniel is going to come out of this entire mess - but when he does, will he be able to regain his optimism - or even a sense of optimism? Or is that gone forever?
Spoilers for "Bad Guys" (or whatever they decide to call that episode, I think it's "Villains" in Britain) and also "The Shroud"
I think your point is going to come up in this episode. Apparently, Daniel is going to have to act like the leader of a group of kidnappers or terrorists or something and he is going to have a problem with it. There was an interview right around the time SG-1 got cancelled that showed them filming this episode and MS was yelling at the extras (during the rehearsal...he wasn't being mean to them or anything, he was just rehearsing) and they all seemed really uncomfortable and PDL was telling them that he was really going to do that during filming. I got the impression that Daniel will have to deal with acting mean and maybe that would make him think back to being a prior. What they showed was pretty intense. I'm really looking forward to "Bad Guys" as the episode that shows the emotional fallout from what he experienced in "The Shroud". (Of course, this could just be my optimism showing!)

Anyway, I agree that he has lost his optimism and faith that most people or entities or whatever you want to call them are basically good. And I don't blame him. After what he's been through, how could you still see things in such a positive manner. He gave his life for a planet full of people who chose to destroy his name rather than thanking him. Then, the very people he thought were maybe the ultimate in good and advancement allowed Abydos to be totally destroyed and then threw him naked and without his memories on some strange planet. He certainly lost his admiration of the ancients after that, considering that he didn't really even consider taking ascension over death in "Threads". Since then he's been cynical and snarky and verbally critical of the Ancients or the Others. Maybe his friends could restore his optimism and hope, but I think, on his own, he's lost his hope.

[grasshopper64]

Miew, Quest part 2 comments.

Other than MS' lovely somehwat unhinged Daniel in this episode, I really loved the place where this one ended for Daniel.
I suspect I'm going back to my strong belief Daniel's optimism has died - adn if it hadnt til now, it's bound to with the ending of Quest 2. Can Daniel actually remain optimist with the situation he's in? Merlin's weapon is gone - for all purposes, I think the war with the Orii is lost (barring the somewhat obvious interfering from the Ancients I'm now sure will happen at the end of season 10.).
So I'm definitely interested, from those who think Daniel maanged to keep on his hope - where's that light? Cos I don't see it. (that was a question, not a challenge;)) It doesn't seem as if they have any way out - and Daniel certainly doesn't.

Another questino I'm interested in - I'm not sure how Daniel is going to come out of this entire mess - but when he does, will he be able to regain his optimism - or even a sense of optimism? Or is that gone forever?



More Quest 2 spoilers

I agree about Daniel's optimism, he's stuck on a ship with Adria with seemingly no way out. It's actually a little similar, I think, to when he was captured by Replicarter in Reckoning/Threads, but of course this time Oma is not around to bring him back, and he's seen for himself that the Ancients won't help. (I'm thinking back to how frustrated he got in the Pegasus project).
He probably thinks Adria will do the mind probe thing and then kill him, I don't know.



Spoilers for The Shroud

It will be interesting to see exactly how and why he becomes a Prior, plus how they actually get him back to his "normal" self and what the consequences are.
I'm not sure that dealing with it all in one ep will do it justice but maybe there'll be some flashbacks.
Yes I agree about Bad Guys - it would be good to see Daniel dealing with what he's done and not just have him going back to work the next week like nothing happened - but most of that will probably be dealt with in The Shroud.

[poundpuppy29]

I have been having SG-1 marathons since New Years and I am almost done with 4 and I saw the Ep with Sara and I saw No Chemistry there 0 with :daniel:. When do we see her again and is that when we hear about how they broke up?

[Rachel500]

I have been having SG-1 marathons since New Years and I am almost done with 4 and I saw the Ep with Sara and I saw No Chemistry there 0 with :daniel:. When do we see her again and is that when we hear about how they broke up?

Sara or rather Osiris crops up again in The Summit/Last Stand in S5 but no real examination of her relationship with Daniel...that doesn't happen until Chimera in S7.

[DJgirl]

Sara or rather Osiris crops up again in The Summit/Last Stand in S5 but no real examination of her relationship with Daniel...that doesn't happen until Chimera in S7.

There really wasn't any chemistry between them come to think of it....

[JessM]

I didn't see a whole lot myself, but I think there were hints of some in Chimera. It gives us some clues as to how they were together when Daniel was at the U of Chicago.

I also liked the comforting hug he gave her at the end when she was (spoilers for sake of those who have not see yet) degoa'ulded. Even if there wasn't really any romantic chemistry between them, he really cared for her as a friend.

Shame we didn't find out what happened to her after that.

[strider6]

I agree with Strider - he cut it because of Hamlet. He was doing that during the hiatus - Jan. I think, and he knew the hair would still be short when they started production on S3, so to keep continuity I guess he had it cut for the last ep of S2. The style was pretty unflattering. I think maybe it should have been cut more gradually, or more layered or something. That said, I kinda liked the S3 hair. :)

There's a funny fic that tries to explain how Daniel's hair got like that: Daniel's Haircut (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2429445/1/)

Still clueless on the lightening of the hair color though. I know he was asked in an interview during S2 if his hair is blonde or brown... he said it used to be blonde but now he's brunette 'cause his hair doesn't get the sun like it used to. So either he was in the sun a lot or had it frosted/lightened for some reason.



Exactly :D And you could tell how he cared for them, how much it bothered them that they were dying, from that scene with him and Jack in his lab where he had that sort of tantrum (I know part of his behavior was due to that noise from the plants but I think the feelings were genuine).

Very cute story Jess. Thanks for the link.

[DJgirl]

There's a funny fic that tries to explain how Daniel's hair got like that: Daniel's Haircut (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2429445/1/)



I just got a chance to read that story. OMG that was cute. Thanks for the link. I am going to print that one off for my sister to read. She will get a kick out of it!!!

[Margaret]

Miew, Quest part 2 comments.

Other than MS' lovely somehwat unhinged Daniel in this episode, I really loved the place where this one ended for Daniel.
I suspect I'm going back to my strong belief Daniel's optimism has died - adn if it hadnt til now, it's bound to with the ending of Quest 2. Can Daniel actually remain optimist with the situation he's in? Merlin's weapon is gone - for all purposes, I think the war with the Orii is lost (barring the somewhat obvious interfering from the Ancients I'm now sure will happen at the end of season 10.).
So I'm definitely interested, from those who think Daniel maanged to keep on his hope - where's that light? Cos I don't see it. (that was a question, not a challenge;)) It doesn't seem as if they have any way out - and Daniel certainly doesn't.

Another questino I'm interested in - I'm not sure how Daniel is going to come out of this entire mess - but when he does, will he be able to regain his optimism - or even a sense of optimism? Or is that gone forever?

I think that the seriousness of the Ori threat gave Daniel good reason to be scared, as he told Jack in Avalon. I can believe that it looks really dark now. But then, the war with the goa'uld often looked hopeless as well. Think about Within the Serpent's Lair, when SG-1 was blinded and held captive by the goa'uld who were racing toward Earth for it's final destruction. Daniel was in despair, then; and Jack talked him down.

Since then, I've never seen Daniel give up. From what he told Morgan LeFay in the Pegasus Project, I think he intends to fight the Ori until he dies. (And after that -- who knows? :D ) Remember in Ethon when his cellmate asked him, "Don't you ever give up?"

Daniel's answer was, "Not 'til I'm dead. And sometimes, not even then."

Spoilers for the second half of Season 9:

When SG-1 first discovered the Ori, they had nothing to fight with. Since then they've discovered one useful device on their own and found one left behind by Merlin. And that's not counting the Sangraal. SG-1 has made important advances already. This is not the time to give up.

Thirdly, there's the team. Part of being a member of a team is that when you're down, your teammates lift you up. Mitchell and Sam and Teal'c are not going to let Daniel quit. They'll get him through this, somehow. Even if they have to drag him along until he gets back on his feet again.

And there's one more thing, Daniel's "light" or his "ace in the hole" so to speak -- Vala.

Vala will kick his ass if he gives up. :D

Besides, lovers are always optimists. It's in the nature of things. ;)

[JessM]

Very cute story Jess. Thanks for the link.


I just got a chance to read that story. OMG that was cute. Thanks for the link. I am going to print that one off for my sister to read. She will get a kick out of it!!!

You're both welcome. :) I actually found it in my S/D C2 community on fanfiction.net... totally forgot that it was there. It is really cute though... I feel bad for poor Siler at the end, lol ;)

For another hair story, here's a cute one involving a drunk Sam winning a bet and braiding Daniel's hair (it's only friendship so it is safe for 'ship phobics ;)): Hair (http://www.livejournal.com/users/lunatic_z/6667.html)

It's a nice read and shows some nice early team bonding. :)

[Pitry]

I think that the seriousness of the Ori threat gave Daniel good reason to be scared, as he told Jack in Avalon. I can believe that it looks really dark now. But then, the war with the goa'uld often looked hopeless as well. Think about Within the Serpent's Lair, when SG-1 was blinded and held captive by the goa'uld who were racing toward Earth for it's final destruction. Daniel was in despair, then; and Jack talked him down.

Since then, I've never seen Daniel give up. From what he told Morgan LeFay in the Pegasus Project, I think he intends to fight the Ori until he dies. (And after that -- who knows? :D ) Remember in Ethon when his cellmate asked him, "Don't you ever give up?"

Daniel's answer was, "Not 'til I'm dead. And sometimes, not even then."

Spoilers for the second half of Season 9:

When SG-1 first discovered the Ori, they had nothing to fight with. Since then they've discovered one useful device on their own and found one left behind by Merlin. And that's not counting the Sangraal. SG-1 has made important advances already. This is not the time to give up.

Thirdly, there's the team. Part of being a member of a team is that when you're down, your teammates lift you up. Mitchell and Sam and Teal'c are not going to let Daniel quit. They'll get him through this, somehow. Even if they have to drag him along until he gets back on his feet again.

And there's one more thing, Daniel's "light" or his "ace in the hole" so to speak -- Vala.

Vala will kick his ass if he gives up. :D

Besides, lovers are always optimists. It's in the nature of things. ;)

Erm, spoilers to Pegasus Project...
His speech to Morgan in Pegasus Project... funny about differnet interpretations :) That's one of the things that convince me the most that Daniel season 10 has no hope. Sure, he'l fight til he'll die, but at the end of the day, his death isn't going to undo any damage by the Orii, will it? He's dedicated to the cause of fighting them, even if it's a lost one, yes - but it's esepcialy this speech that makes me feel he feels it's a lost one.

Whether his team can bring his hope up and convince him everything's gonna be okay.... perhaps. I know there's a lot of love and trust there. But I'm not sure it's going to work. riging up Serpent's Lair... thigns were differnet then - I think they're much, much darker now.

As for Bad Guys discussion..
I would love if there'd be this theme of Daniel having to deal with being the bad guy there. And I would love if they continue dealing with his feeligns about the Orii and being a Prior on that episode... I'm hoping :) I think there's a lot of room in there, not just for the being the bad guy - but on the s[ecial spin there is to being a bad guy - they know they're not going to hurt anyone and that it's all a show. But the hostages don't know it, probably. They'll have to deal withy causing a lot of fear to a lot of people, and jsutifying that for themselves. It's not just acting - because they will be doing some damage, methinks.

[DJgirl]

I think that the seriousness of the Ori threat gave Daniel good reason to be scared, as he told Jack in Avalon. I can believe that it looks really dark now. But then, the war with the goa'uld often looked hopeless as well. Think about Within the Serpent's Lair, when SG-1 was blinded and held captive by the goa'uld who were racing toward Earth for it's final destruction. Daniel was in despair, then; and Jack talked him down.

Since then, I've never seen Daniel give up. From what he told Morgan LeFay in the Pegasus Project, I think he intends to fight the Ori until he dies. (And after that -- who knows? :D ) Remember in Ethon when his cellmate asked him, "Don't you ever give up?"

Daniel's answer was, "Not 'til I'm dead. And sometimes, not even then."

Spoilers for the second half of Season 9:

When SG-1 first discovered the Ori, they had nothing to fight with. Since then they've discovered one useful device on their own and found one left behind by Merlin. And that's not counting the Sangraal. SG-1 has made important advances already. This is not the time to give up.

Thirdly, there's the team. Part of being a member of a team is that when you're down, your teammates lift you up. Mitchell and Sam and Teal'c are not going to let Daniel quit. They'll get him through this, somehow. Even if they have to drag him along until he gets back on his feet again.

And there's one more thing, Daniel's "light" or his "ace in the hole" so to speak -- Vala.

Vala will kick his ass if he gives up. :D

Besides, lovers are always optimists. It's in the nature of things. ;)

Great points Margaret. I also think that Vala will be instrumental in helping Daniel out of this. The rest of the team will also do whatever they need to do. They never leave a man behind or give up on them! That is why I love this show so much!!!


From Jess...

You're both welcome. I actually found it in my S/D C2 community on fanfiction.net... totally forgot that it was there. It is really cute though... I feel bad for poor Siler at the end, lol

For another hair story, here's a cute one involving a drunk Sam winning a bet and braiding Daniel's hair (it's only friendship so it is safe for 'ship phobics ): Hair

It's a nice read and shows some nice early team bonding.

It will give me something to read when I get home from work, Thanks!!

[JessM]

Great points Margaret. I also think that Vala will be instrumental in helping Daniel out of this. The rest of the team will also do whatever they need to do. They never leave a man behind or give up on them! That is why I love this show so much!!!

It's been a running theme of the show since the beginning I think... "We never leave anyone behind"... so true. :)


It will give me something to read when I get home from work, Thanks!!

You're welcome! Heh I hope the shippiness part of it doesn't bother you too much :o (well actually shouldn't as it's really only friendship lol)

[DJgirl]

It's been a running theme of the show since the beginning I think... "We never leave anyone behind"... so true. :)



You're welcome! Heh I hope the shippiness part of it doesn't bother you too much :o (well actually shouldn't as it's really only friendship lol)


Nah it shouldn't. I am open to read and listen to everyone's points of view on the characters. It will give me a different perspective:)

[JessM]

Ah okay, then. Hope you like it... there were some funny moments in it. :)

[poundpuppy29]

I just finished season 4 and I don't know how I am going to get season 5 or 6 but I am not watching 7 until I do. I like Daniel with long hair season 4 was too short I liked his hair in the first season and I like his hair in the 10th season. Not all guys can pull off long hair Daniel can do both long and short.

[DJgirl]

I just finished season 4 and I don't know how I am going to get season 5 or 6 but I am not watching 7 until I do. I like Daniel with long hair season 4 was too short I liked his hair in the first season and I like his hair in the 10th season. Not all guys can pull off long hair Daniel can do both long and short.


CONGRATS ON 200 POSTS!!!!

Just wait until season 5. He has some funky short hair in that one too. Did you try eBay for seasons 5 and 6????

[poundpuppy29]

CONGRATS ON 200 POSTS!!!!


Just wait until season 5. He has some funky short hair in that one too. Did you try eBay for seasons 5 and 6????
Thanks
I don't have a credit card so I will just have to be creative my birthday is in April maybe I will get lucky like I did for Christmas

[JessM]

CONGRATS ON 200 POSTS!!!!

Just wait until season 5. He has some funky short hair in that one too. Did you try eBay for seasons 5 and 6????

I agree, CONGRATS poundpuppy! :D

I agree with you, my fave will always be season 1 for hair as my avatar shows, lol ;) DJgirl is right, he does get some funky short hair in season 5 (in my opinion he looks like someone pinned him down in an alley and attacked him with a razor :lol:) - and those sideburns are just crazy!

I like season 7 and 8 hair a lot better than 4 and 5 ...though again I have a really soft spot for season 1 ;)

[DJgirl]

I agree, CONGRATS poundpuppy! :D

I agree with you, my fave will always be season 1 for hair as my avatar shows, lol ;) DJgirl is right, he does get some funky short hair in season 5 (in my opinion he looks like someone pinned him down in an alley and attacked him with a razor :lol:) - and those sideburns are just crazy!

I like season 7 and 8 hair a lot better than 4 and 5 ...though again I have a really soft spot for season 1 ;)

Too funny Jess!! Here is my example of worst hair
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/DanJackgirl/badhair.jpg

[Margaret]

Season 10 is the best. :)

[JessM]

Too funny Jess!! Here is my example of worst hair
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/DanJackgirl/badhair.jpg

Oh yeah, the funky Beast of Burden hair that just won't lie flat... wonder what the stylists were thinking?!


Another example of odd hair (sorry if this stretches the page a bit :o):

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/jessmac/Stargate/Daniel/eekbadhair/showandtell017.jpg

(little heavy on the blowdrying there?)

[poundpuppy29]

Hey I just finished watching season 8 (that's when I started watching when it was syndication in my local area) Jess I thought of you when I watched Moebius 1 and 2 I thought Jess must of been in seventh heaven when these EPs aired orignally. Geeky Daniel with long hair and sooo much :sam: & :daniel: ship scenes for her. I see them as a close friendship but like I always say ship and let ship anyone can have what ever ship they want in their own AU. Right now season 7 is going to have to sit in my drawer and look pretty because I am not watching it until I see season 5 and 6. The reason I watched season 8 is because I wanted to watch the whole thing saw some of it before but after watching the first 4 seasons it makes more sense to me now the few Ep of 8 I saw and watching the whole thing made more sense. I really liked Daniel in Threads. I also love how he bought the team some time in Reckoning and he tricked Repricator Carter.

[DJgirl]

Hey I just finished watching season 8 (that's when I started watching when it was syndication in my local area) Jess I thought of you when I watched Moebius 1 and 2 I thought Jess must of been in seventh heaven when these EPs aired orignally. Geeky Daniel with long hair and sooo much :sam: & :daniel: ship scenes for her. I see them as a close friendship but like I always say ship and let ship anyone can have what ever ship they want in their own AU. Right now season 7 is going to have to sit in my drawer and look pretty because I am not watching it until I see season 5 and 6. The reason I watched season 8 is because I wanted to watch the whole thing saw some of it before but after watching the first 4 seasons it makes more sense to me now the few Ep of 8 I saw and watching the whole thing made more sense. I really liked Daniel in Threads. I also love how he bought the team some time in Reckoning and he tricked Repricator Carter.

Moebius 1 and 2 are some of my favorite, favorite episodes. Daniel and Sam are great as their alternate selves(with mad props out to AT for her performance. I thought the alternate Sam was so dang funny!!). Their friendship just shines through. Season 8 had some very good Daniel moments.

I thought Reckoning, to a certain extent, brought back the old Daniel in a way. Like you said, he bought time for the team, and all turned out good in the end. Season 8 also had the episode where Tea'c got an apartment. I like how Daniel never gave up on Teal'c even when they thought he commited the murder.

[gravelgerdie]

I agree, CONGRATS poundpuppy! :D

I agree with you, my fave will always be season 1 for hair as my avatar shows, lol ;) DJgirl is right, he does get some funky short hair in season 5 (in my opinion he looks like someone pinned him down in an alley and attacked him with a razor :lol:) - and those sideburns are just crazy!

I like season 7 and 8 hair a lot better than 4 and 5 ...though again I have a really soft spot for season 1 ;)

Oh I agree... season one is a soft spot for me as well.... I didn't like that season 3 was it???? the bowl kind of cut...
You know the ep. where Hathor makes team think its the future.. and they believe they are the only ones alive out of the team.... well that one is a bowl cut to me and I hated it.

[DJgirl]

Oh yeah, the funky Beast of Burden hair that just won't lie flat... wonder what the stylists were thinking?!


Another example of odd hair (sorry if this stretches the page a bit :o):

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/jessmac/Stargate/Daniel/eekbadhair/showandtell017.jpg

(little heavy on the blowdrying there?)


OMGosh that hair is funny!!!!

[poundpuppy29]

Spoilers for future Ep


I can't wait for Daniel to comeback we just have to wait 1 Ep more until he does. I wonder what Adria is doing to him how does she turn him?

I am going Crazy waiting for my baby.

[JessM]

Hey I just finished watching season 8 (that's when I started watching when it was syndication in my local area) Jess I thought of you when I watched Moebius 1 and 2 I thought Jess must of been in seventh heaven when these EPs aired orignally. Geeky Daniel with long hair and sooo much :sam: & :daniel: ship scenes for her. I see them as a close friendship but like I always say ship and let ship anyone can have what ever ship they want in their own AU. Right now season 7 is going to have to sit in my drawer and look pretty because I am not watching it until I see season 5 and 6. The reason I watched season 8 is because I wanted to watch the whole thing saw some of it before but after watching the first 4 seasons it makes more sense to me now the few Ep of 8 I saw and watching the whole thing made more sense. I really liked Daniel in Threads. I also love how he bought the team some time in Reckoning and he tricked Repricator Carter.

Cool! LOL yep you guessed it! ;) I was squeeing nearly through the whole ep... I even wrote a missing scene fic where Geeky Daniel confronts McKay over the way he treats Geeky Sam (just a friendship fic really, no romance or anything). I loved it but was sad about what happened to Geeky Daniel in part 2. *sigh* In my AU he was never killed and the Tok'ra were able to remove the goa'uld spy :D

Daniel was really great in Threads and Reckoning (loved his "a little more time in Danny's world" line to RepliCarter) - and the way he bought the team more time was so like him.

And of course can't go wrong with the "flag scene" in Threads! ;)

[JessM]

Oh I agree... season one is a soft spot for me as well.... I didn't like that season 3 was it???? the bowl kind of cut...
You know the ep. where Hathor makes team think its the future.. and they believe they are the only ones alive out of the team.... well that one is a bowl cut to me and I hated it.

Yep I know what you mean. When I first saw that ep (Out of Mind) it was like a shock... I mean I knew he was getting shorter hair since I'd seen pics of it, but that haircut... WHOA... bad bad bad!

Wish they'd explained it or even had Sam or Jack do a double take or make some comment (like Jack's "Teal'c, what's with the hair?" in New Order, lol). MS said at a con some years back that "those nasty aliens cut it". It's interesting how fics try to explain it. There was a funny one where Jack decides Daniel needs a haircut and just keeps making mistakes as he cuts it... it's called "Oops" (should see if I can find it...I think I know where it is). And there's another where Daniel got this mutant alien lice that he couldn't get rid of... funny stuff.

[JessM]

OMGosh that hair is funny!!!!

Isn't it? I don't know what they did there. I was hanging out on SciFi's Stargate forum once and they had this thread where they were ratomg Daniel's early season hair - think it was called the "Floof-o-meter" LOL... anyway the person said that it looks like they had the same hairdresser from Beast of Burden (the S5 ep that that cap you posted was from).

Another piccie from that ep... hair still looks funny, lol

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/jessmac/Stargate/Daniel/weapons/showandtell074.jpg

[DJgirl]

Isn't it? I don't know what they did there. I was hanging out on SciFi's Stargate forum once and they had this thread where they were ratomg Daniel's early season hair - think it was called the "Floof-o-meter" LOL... anyway the person said that it looks like they had the same hairdresser from Beast of Burden (the S5 ep that that cap you posted was from).

Another piccie from that ep... hair still looks funny, lol

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/jessmac/Stargate/Daniel/weapons/showandtell074.jpg

I think they went a little crazy with the mousse(sp?):lol:

[Margaret]

Spoilers for future Ep


I can't wait for Daniel to comeback we just have to wait 1 Ep more until he does. I wonder what Adria is doing to him how does she turn him?

I am going Crazy waiting for my baby.

SPOILERS FOR SHROUD
This is what Adria is doing to "our boy."

It's pretty shocking, so don't open the box if you're eating or drinking something.

http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=6218817&postcount=920

This is a make-up test for The Shroud.

[1DanielForMe]

You know, I don't know why I didn't just read the synopses for the new season 10 episodes before asking that last question. Right, though. I am so not looking forward to "The Shroud" All I can say is some serious brainwashing must be going on or something. Damn, though, man, I was hoping I could end the series with at least one season where nothing really messed up happens to Daniel. *sighs* I suppose that was rather a silly hope. Well, perhaps it's not as bad as it seems. I mean, he's fine in the next episode. I have all these ideas about what's actually going on, and the outcome, but one thing I am fairly certain of: This is yet another SG-1 episode I will watch only one time.

[JessM]

I think they went a little crazy with the mousse(sp?):lol:

I think you're right! Heh heh poor Daniel... the hair was a little better in the next ep but not by much.

[JessM]

You know, I don't know why I didn't just read the synopses for the new season 10 episodes before asking that last question. Right, though. I am so not looking forward to "The Shroud" All I can say is some serious brainwashing must be going on or something. Damn, though, man, I was hoping I could end the series with at least one season where nothing really messed up happens to Daniel. *sighs* I suppose that was rather a silly hope. Well, perhaps it's not as bad as it seems. I mean, he's fine in the next episode. I have all these ideas about what's actually going on, and the outcome, but one thing I am fairly certain of: This is yet another SG-1 episode I will watch only one time.

I know how a lot of people feel and I guess I'm not really looking forward to it either... hate to see Daniel messed up or evil or anything like that. I think more than anything, though (and I apologize if this sounds wrong) I'm interested in seeing how it plays out. I read an interview RDA gave and he said that Jack just walks around PriorDaniel giving this long speech that gets more drawn out, but then he shortens it, or something to that effect. It sounds as if Jack will have a big part in getting Daniel "back", as it were. I'm looking forward to this, because it gives an opportunity for some sorely missed - at least IMHO - Daniel/Jack friendship.

Guess you guys know now that TPTB like to mess with our boy quite a bit. ;) Not that I'm happy about it or anything... but I am still interested to see how it plays out. Maybe it won't be as bad as we're thinking.

[Callista]

Holy cow, Margaret! That picture is shocking! I would think SG-1 would walk right past him without even recognizing him. He must be talking really fast in "Daniel-speak" when they meet up.

[DJgirl]

I know how a lot of people feel and I guess I'm not really looking forward to it either... hate to see Daniel messed up or evil or anything like that. I think more than anything, though (and I apologize if this sounds wrong) I'm interested in seeing how it plays out. I read an interview RDA gave and he said that Jack just walks around PriorDaniel giving this long speech that gets more drawn out, but then he shortens it, or something to that effect. It sounds as if Jack will have a big part in getting Daniel "back", as it were. I'm looking forward to this, because it gives an opportunity for some sorely missed - at least IMHO - Daniel/Jack friendship.

Guess you guys know now that TPTB like to mess with our boy quite a bit. ;) Not that I'm happy about it or anything... but I am still interested to see how it plays out. Maybe it won't be as bad as we're thinking.

I agree Jess
Spoilers for Shroud:

Daniel helped save Jack in Abyss. It is only fitting that he help him in this. I am looking forward to that part of the episode.


Holy cow, Margaret! That picture is shocking! I would think SG-1 would walk right past him without even recognizing him. He must be talking really fast in "Daniel-speak" when they meet up.

Spoiler for Shroud:

OMGosh. If I hadn't read any spoilers or looked at the pic, I don't even think I would recognize that that was our boy. He is so freaky looking. I am almost sorry that I ruined it for myself....boy would that have been a SHOCK!!!

[poundpuppy29]

OMG Margret
My Baby what did she do to my baby??????

I just wanted to add something from Threads I loved Daniel's line when he was ordering I think he said I would like a slice of truth with clarity on the side. That was too funny.

[JessM]

I agree Jess
Spoilers for Shroud:

Daniel helped save Jack in Abyss. It is only fitting that he help him in this. I am looking forward to that part of the episode.

That's a very good point, I almost forgot about that. I wonder if Jack will ever bring that up, about Daniel helping to save him in Abyss. Sounds like the IOA will want to kill Daniel and maybe Jack could offer this up in defense of Daniel (of course it won't be the only thing, but it could be one of them). Anyway I am looking forward to it.


Spoiler for Shroud:

OMGosh. If I hadn't read any spoilers or looked at the pic, I don't even think I would recognize that that was our boy. He is so freaky looking. I am almost sorry that I ruined it for myself....boy would that have been a SHOCK!!!

That's what I said - when I saw that pic I went, "WHOA, that is freaky!!" I can't wait to see how they turn him back.

[JessM]

OMG Margret
My Baby what did she do to my baby??????

I just wanted to add something from Threads I loved Daniel's line when he was ordering I think he said I would like a slice of truth with clarity on the side. That was too funny.

I know! Evil spawn that she is... grrrrr :samanime15:

I loved that line from Threads too... Daniel was great in that one, when he was trying to talk to all the people in there and they kept ignoring him...

[Margaret]

Holy cow, Margaret! That picture is shocking! I would think SG-1 would walk right past him without even recognizing him. He must be talking really fast in "Daniel-speak" when they meet up.

That brings to mind another connotation of "the shroud." It often refers to the Shroud of Turin.

It's the image of suffering. The scars on Daniel's face are as heart-wringing as they are shocking. For me, it underlines the idea that Daniel has been through a very rough experience.

[Margaret]

Holy cow, Margaret! That picture is shocking! I would think SG-1 would walk right past him without even recognizing him. He must be talking really fast in "Daniel-speak" when they meet up.

Yeah, I didn't recognize him, myself.

[Margaret]

You know, I don't know why I didn't just read the synopses for the new season 10 episodes before asking that last question. Right, though. I am so not looking forward to "The Shroud" All I can say is some serious brainwashing must be going on or something. Damn, though, man, I was hoping I could end the series with at least one season where nothing really messed up happens to Daniel. *sighs* I suppose that was rather a silly hope. Well, perhaps it's not as bad as it seems. I mean, he's fine in the next episode. I have all these ideas about what's actually going on, and the outcome, but one thing I am fairly certain of: This is yet another SG-1 episode I will watch only one time.

Well, I'm glad you're going to at least give it a try.

The Shroud is written by Rob Cooper, and he usually does pretty good characterization, not least with Daniel. :)

[poundpuppy29]

I really can't wait for the Shroud. I miss my baby.

[Arctic Goddess]

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p133/Arctic-Goddess/posterLessons.jpg

[Frostfox]

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p133/Arctic-Goddess/posterLessons.jpg

Ride'em, cowboy.

Thanks, Arctic Goddess, for that delicious image.


FF :nox:

[DJgirl]

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p133/Arctic-Goddess/posterLessons.jpg

That is great Arctic!!!!

[poundpuppy29]

What is your favorite Daniel Ep? Mine is Crystal Skull followed by Promethous Unbound, Maternal Instinct, Icon, Torment of Tantulus (sp) off the top of my head. Now I have seen seasons 1-4 and 8,9 and what they have shown of 10.

[DJgirl]

What is your favorite Daniel Ep? Mine is Crystal Skull followed by Promethous Unbound, Maternal Instinct, Icon, Torment of Tantulus (sp) off the top of my head. Now I have seen seasons 1-4 and 8,9 and what they have shown of 10.


I love Prometheus Unbound. That just might be my all time fav. I also love Forever In A Day(s 3), Crystal Skull(s 3), Chimera(s 7), and Beneath the Surface(s 4). The Quest Part II is quickly rising on my list. I don't know how many times I have watched it already...LOL I know that there are more that I am forgetting and will probably remember as soon as I post this:)

[discodiva]

My top 5 are: Legacy, Absolute Power, The First Ones, Reckoning 2 and Abyss.....RDA and MS were both outstanding in their scenes together in that one...:jack: :daniel:


Need was great but......that sarcophagus addiction played havoc with the hair.....*snickers*....;) :D


Deeds xx

[JessM]

Good choices! :)

My top 5 are Torment of Tantalus, There But for the Grace of God, Need (even though I agree with you about the hair, Deeds... LOL :D), Crystal Skull, and Reckoning Part 2.

I do love Abyss, too... he and Jack were great in that one - I love the Jack/Daniel friendship. :) I also love Singularity, even though it was more of a Sam episode because I loved how Daniel was such a good friend to Sam (though I think I've beaten that dead horse a bit too much here, lol :o) and he was cute with Cassandra at the end too. :)

[DJgirl]

My top 5 are: Legacy, Absolute Power, The First Ones, Reckoning 2 and Abyss.....RDA and MS were both outstanding in their scenes together in that one...:jack: :daniel:


Need was great but......that sarcophagus addiction played havoc with the hair.....*snickers*....;) :D


Deeds xx

Absolute Power....how could I forget that one(especially after tomorrow when I introduce my new clone)!! Thanks Deeds for reminding me:)

*feels stupid for forgetting that one*

Need is also a great episode. That is my friends favorite one so far.

[Madeleine]

My top five are Legacy, the First Ones, Abyss, Changeling and Reckoning ptII.

There was a poll (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=13180) that we did after a few qualifying heats to get the finalists. If anyone never saw it, it's still open :)

[discodiva]

My top five are Legacy, the First Ones, Abyss, Changeling and Reckoning ptII.

There was a poll (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=13180) that we did after a few qualifying heats to get the finalists. If anyone never saw it, it's still open :)



Ooooo.....great minds think alike Madeleine....bar one eppy!......:D


I have to admit it's so hard to choose a fav episode for Daniel...there are so many where MS has so excellently interpreted my understanding of him .......I think I've sort of gone for the ones where it's not just focussed on him but encompasses another character or characters per se......ones where they seem to draw strength from or interact with Daniel so well.....:)

And he did look damned good in those white pants in Absolute Power....*sneaks a quick piccie in for good measure*.....;) :P


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/dancingwallnut/Daniel_Absolute12.jpg

Deeds xx *off to look at poll*

[JessM]

Voted! I never vote for the popular ones... Oh, well... :D

[mckaychick]

I never vote for the popular ones either

[Pitry]

Mmm. I'd go with Torment of Tantalus, There but for the Grace of God, Crystal Skull, Meridian and... I'm having a ahrd time choosing a 5th. Abyss or Legacy most liekly.

[Dani347]

Preferences subject to change on a whim. Right now, my list is Secrets, Enemy Mine (edged out The First Ones because EM has more Daniel speaking Unas and pantomining), Legacy, Crystal Skull, and Menace.


But-but- what about Avalon 1? Or The Gamekeeper? Or Reckoning II? Or Moebius 1? Any of these could have made my top 5.

[Callista]

I think my top 5 are:
Forever in a Day (that's my favorite episode all-around...it deals with his love and loss of Sha're, his commitment to her, his strong friendships, and his amazing ability to forgive)
Meridian (because it still makes me bawl! The tears in his eyes when he says he's going to miss them. WAAHHH! His self-doubt and integrity come through. He's so honest he won't even lie to himself to save his life/soul.)
Menace (Because it's just so much what his soul is all about. He wants so badly to save Reese and be her friend. He may have lost sight of the big picture, but his heart is absolutely in the right place.)
The First Ones (Because it's just so much what his mind and calling are all about. He's afraid of Chaka and what's going to happen to him, but he's such a scientist and intellect and diplomat that he keeps his head and finds the solution.)
Legacy (Because he tries so hard to think and be strong despite what must be the most terrifying experience a person can go through).

Honorable mentions go to: Absolute Power, Fire and Water, Crystal Skull, Secrets, the Fifth Race, Lifeboat, Reckoning, Evolution, Origin, and I'm really liking several in season 10.

[poundpuppy29]

How could I forget Forever in a Day? What is wrong with me? I loved that one too.

[Pitry]

I dunno. I never got Forever in a Day. It's not a bad episode, but...

In one way, having seen the Cahngeling, I know osme of the places where they got it wrong - because they got it all right in Changeling. You know, all the insane interjections, all the weird cuts - Forever In a Day should feel like Changeling, shoudl keep you on your feet and you don't know what's going on and what you're seeing and go WTF for 40 minutes til everything becomes clear. It's probably due to that that Forever in a Day doesn't come out the way it should for me.

I love Daniel in it, I think it was a wondefrful episode and achieved wonderful things, and with the exception of the "you should have waited longer" line delivery which always bugs me I also think it's a great performance/... but I dunno, I always end up with a "but" there :)

[JessM]

So many great episodes... it's hard to choose! :weiranime22:

FIAD confused me quite a bit the first time I saw it... after the second viewing or so I figured it out. Actually it's weird because I thought I had 1969 figured out the first time, but after watching it again it made me think twice and go, "huh???" (the whole thing with Hammond and mentioning the cut on Sam's hand, etc.)

[DJgirl]

So many great episodes... it's hard to choose! :weiranime22:

FIAD confused me quite a bit the first time I saw it... after the second viewing or so I figured it out. Actually it's weird because I thought I had 1969 figured out the first time, but after watching it again it made me think twice and go, "huh???" (the whole thing with Hammond and mentioning the cut on Sam's hand, etc.)


When I was watching FIAD at my friends over the weekend, she was just as confused by it. I had to explain it to her once it was over. I told her that it took me two times to fully understand the episode. She still really liked it though.

[poundpuppy29]

I just have to wait one more week until I see my baby. Spoilers for future Ep What did Adria do to him how did she turn him with his strong mind

[JessM]

When I was watching FIAD at my friends over the weekend, she was just as confused by it. I had to explain it to her once it was over. I told her that it took me two times to fully understand the episode. She still really liked it though.

Glad that she liked it. :) It can be confusing at first, and even later it's easy to slip up. One of my betas was talking to me about one of my current fics... I have Sha're getting killed during Secrets instead of FIAD, so there's a lot more angst for our poor Danny :danielanime07: But anyway she told me that she thought Daniel wouldn't hesitate to quit SG-1 and get himself reassigned to another team, because that's what happened in FIAD. I had to remind her that this was all through Sha're's "visions" that she shared with Daniel via the hand device - it didn't actually happen.

[JessM]

I just have to wait one more week until I see my baby. Spoilers for future Ep What did Adria do to him how did she turn him with his strong mind

Yep looking forward to it... well, not about what happens to him but in finding out how he got that way.

[DJgirl]

Glad that she liked it. :) It can be confusing at first, and even later it's easy to slip up. One of my betas was talking to me about one of my current fics... I have Sha're getting killed during Secrets instead of FIAD, so there's a lot more angst for our poor Danny :danielanime07: But anyway she told me that she thought Daniel wouldn't hesitate to quit SG-1 and get himself reassigned to another team, because that's what happened in FIAD. I had to remind her that this was all through Sha're's "visions" that she shared with Daniel via the hand device - it didn't actually happen.


Killing Sha're in Secrets...what an interesting idea. That has to be a very emotional story. Poor Daniel!

[JessM]

Oh, yeah, it was interesting to explore. One reason I made it during Secrets was because I wanted a big part of the story to take place after Holiday since I involve Ma'chello, sorta. I have three chapters done so far and it eventually becomes S/D 'ship but right now it's more gen and friendship. I have some S/D friendship and Jack/Daniel friendship scenes in it. Another big part will be Teal'c and Daniel's relationship. Since Daniel doesn't have Sha're's "visions" or whatever asking him to forgive Teal'c, he doesn't right away. He just sort of learns to get past his anger at Teal'c but still doesn't forgive him completely. That will happen at the end when... well, don't want to give it away (mostly because I haven't written it out yet, lol ;)).

I have the first 3 chapters up if anyone's interested. Again, it's not really ship now - mostly Jack/Daniel and Sam/Daniel friendship, and Daniel angst over Sha're. :)

Link to Story (http://thesciencetwins.com/fanfic/ofg/index.html)

[DJgirl]

Oh, yeah, it was interesting to explore. One reason I made it during Secrets was because I wanted a big part of the story to take place after Holiday since I involve Ma'chello, sorta. I have three chapters done so far and it eventually becomes S/D 'ship but right now it's more gen and friendship. I have some S/D friendship and Jack/Daniel friendship scenes in it. Another big part will be Teal'c and Daniel's relationship. Since Daniel doesn't have Sha're's "visions" or whatever asking him to forgive Teal'c, he doesn't right away. He just sort of learns to get past his anger at Teal'c but still doesn't forgive him completely. That will happen at the end when... well, don't want to give it away (mostly because I haven't written it out yet, lol ;)).

I have the first 3 chapters up if anyone's interested. Again, it's not really ship now - mostly Jack/Daniel and Sam/Daniel friendship, and Daniel angst over Sha're. :)

Link to Story (http://thesciencetwins.com/fanfic/ofg/index.html)

Oh cool!!! This will give me something to do tomorrow afternoon. Boss won't be at work tomorrow;)

[poundpuppy29]

I can't wait for my baby just one more week!!!!! Spoilers for future Ep

Adria better no have hurt Daniel permantly by making him a prior I wonder how they turn him back?
/

[JessM]

Oh cool!!! This will give me something to do tomorrow afternoon. Boss won't be at work tomorrow;)

LOL.. then I'm happy to provide ;) Hope you like it. I'm all alone here at work today too. Need to do some catching up on fanfic reading big time, lol

[JessM]

I can't wait for my baby just one more week!!!!! Spoilers for future Ep

Adria better no have hurt Daniel permantly by making him a prior I wonder how they turn him back?
/


Spoilers for The Shroud and Bounty

I hope not either. That will be interesting to see, how he gets turned back. I read that Daniel is supposed to be in the infirmary during the last scene... hopefully he'll be okay. I'd think so though, since he's supposed to be busy at the museum of antiquities in the next ep :D Just bouncin' right back!

[Pitry]

Oy. JessM, this is for you, Road not Taken spoilers.
When Sam's in the AU, the first person she asks for in order to talk some sense into him (cough, not workign so well with Lorne) is Daniel.
I thought it was a lvoely touch on their friendship. How she trusts hm to udnerstand and sympathise - makes you wonder whether it's ebcause he's been through a similar experience or because they're jsut that good friends, she knows he'll listen.

[JessM]

Thanks Pitry :D I haven't seen the entire episode just yet but

that does sound great. It seemed similar to what he went through in TBFTGOG. I did notice at the end that she wasn't happy that they hadn't heard anything about Daniel in the two weeks that passed.

[poundpuppy29]

I just watched Meridian. Soo Sad I was crying. I know he comes back but I didn't like to see him go.

[JessM]

Oh I know, I can't watch Meridian without tearing up... it's so hard. And it's hard to see him wrapped up in the bandages like that - you just know what he must look like underneath them and it makes you feel worse. :(

Last time I watched it I immediately had to watch Fallen right after it just to be assured that he was all right. ;)

[Madeleine]

Meridian gave us Abyss and Changeling. Every cloud...

:D

[Frostfox]

Meridian gave us Abyss and Changeling. Every cloud...

:D

Two of my favourite episodes, it was worth it.

FF :nox:

[Pitry]

Two of my favourite episodes, it was worth it.

FF :nox:

Huh. Three of my favourites. Three of my top favourite episodes, actually ;)

[JessM]

Two of my favourite episodes, it was worth it.

FF :nox:

Yep don't think I can argue with that. :)

[poundpuppy29]

I just watched the Abyss I was soo happy to see my baby again. I am just curious at the time of this Ep did MS agree to come back? I read that he comes back another time in season 6 on here. I mean for season 7 and beyond.

[JessM]

I think he just agreed to do guest appearances then. He made 3 that season - first was Abyss, then The Changeling (cool ep!) and Full Circle was the last. I think they were already thinking about getting him to come back for season 7 by that point. That was one reason why they had him ascend and not just totally kill him off - so that if he wanted to come back (and/or they wanted him to come back) the door was open.

Oops, forgot to mention that he also did Thor's voice that season as well, so I guess technically it was more than 3 "appearances". :)

[Madeleine]

IIRC we found out that s7 was happenning three days before Full Circle aired in the UK, and that MS would be a regular two days before FC. Watching Abyss we knew only that MS had agreed to be in 'up to six' episodes of s6 (and he was; three as Daniel and three as Thor). Watching Changeling we knew nothing further.

[poundpuppy29]

I just watched Changling and I loved it I like that Daniel was there for :tealc:. That was awesome.

[Pitry]

I just watched Changling and I loved it I like that Daniel was there for :tealc:. That was awesome.

Hmmm.. as much as Changeling is one of my favouriet episode,s I have to say that I'm not too fond of Daniel's "guardian angel act" - he was reat in the episode, I manily mean the tag scene.

[JessM]

I agree, I loved it, especially the scene at the end where Daniel told Teal'c he was there for him (can't remember the direct quote atm).

Not only that, he looked pretty hot in the ep, lol ;)

[Rachel500]

So I guess we're all eagerly awaiting The Shroud? Tuesday 8pm UK time.

Not that I'm obsessed and clock-watching

*sneaks another glance at watch*

No...not at all...

[Pitry]

So I guess we're all eagerly awaiting The Shroud? Tuesday 8pm UK time.

Not that I'm obsessed and clock-watching

*sneaks another glance at watch*

No...not at all...

Me? jumping up and down since I accidentily read the spoilers in June or so? NEVER!
whistles innocently*

[Frostfox]

So I guess we're all eagerly awaiting The Shroud? Tuesday 8pm UK time.

Not that I'm obsessed and clock-watching

*sneaks another glance at watch*

No...not at all...

Oooh you could say that!
Not much of a spoiler - I really, really, REALLY want Abyss redux. But in reverse, of course, with Jack being there for Daniel.
Much as I liked Evolution, there just wasn't quite the level of H/C I needed in those episodes.
It's payback time for Daniel putting it all on the line to get the information to the team as to where Jack was in Abyss. That was a fabulous moment - Teal'c in meditation, Daniel bending the rules and finding a way to help. I wasn't even a 'Fan' with a capital F but that episode got to me.
In truth, it was Changling and Abyss which changed me from a casual watcher into a Fan. And of course, the acting in Abyss was top notch too, there's nothing like a bottle show, which much of Abyss was, to bring out the best in actors (I'm thinking K'gar and Londo stuck in a lift or any number of Bashir/O'Brien scenes).
I really want a Jack/Daniel/Sam/Teal'c moment, if RDA isn't in the movies, it might be the last one. I know we had the lovely Jack/Daniel scene at the start of season 9, quintessial J/D interaction 'I'm scared/I'm hungry' but I'm allowed to be greedy, I want just one more.

FF :nox: on tenterhooks till Tuesday

[Pitry]

Oooh you could say that!
Not much of a spoiler - I really, really, REALLY want Abyss redux. But in reverse, of course, with Jack being there for Daniel.
Much as I liked Evolution, there just wasn't quite the level of H/C I needed in those episodes.
It's payback time for Daniel putting it all on the line to get the information to the team as to where Jack was in Abyss. That was a fabulous moment - Teal'c in meditation, Daniel bending the rules and finding a way to help. I wasn't even a 'Fan' with a capital F but that episode got to me.
In truth, it was Changling and Abyss which changed me from a casual watcher into a Fan. And of course, the acting in Abyss was top notch too, there's nothing like a bottle show, which much of Abyss was, to bring out the best in actors (I'm thinking K'gar and Londo stuck in a lift or any number of Bashir/O'Brien scenes).
I really want a Jack/Daniel/Sam/Teal'c moment, if RDA isn't in the movies, it might be the last one. I know we had the lovely Jack/Daniel scene at the start of season 9, quintessial J/D interaction 'I'm scared/I'm hungry' but I'm allowed to be greedy, I want just one more.

FF :nox: on tenterhooks till Tuesday

ach, agreed.
This actually does have Shroud spoilers.
I'd love to see them refer to Abyss, try to parallel Abyss, ro something like that. They often try adn do that, and it would not only highlight the similarities, it would highlight the differnces, too.
Daniel was there for Jack in the critical moment, he was there to help Jack when Jack needed him the most, it was largely due to Daniel that Jack made it through that experience in one piece.
Shroud seems to be a differnet case - Jack wasn't there for Daniel in the critical moment, and whichever way it went, it doesn't seem as if Daniel makes it in one piece - of coruse, it's all speculation til the episode aired, but whatever reason he agreed to become a Prior, it doesn't seem encouraging.
Highlightling that - in addition to Jack hopefully being the one to pull Daniel back when its all over - would just make the analogy all the more stnoger.
Speaking of which, I realised Daniel spends most of the episode beign a Prior... but I really really hope they're going to have some serious scenes between the two once Daniel has been de-Priorised.
(And here comes the non-comfort part of me.... I hope the "happy ending" of this ends with Daniel de-priorising. I'm really really hoping hey don't do an "all's well that end's well" scene at the end of the episode....)

[Frostfox]

ach, agreed.
This actually does have Shroud spoilers.
I'd love to see them refer to Abyss, try to parallel Abyss, ro something like that. They often try adn do that, and it would not only highlight the similarities, it would highlight the differnces, too.
Daniel was there for Jack in the critical moment, he was there to help Jack when Jack needed him the most, it was largely due to Daniel that Jack made it through that experience in one piece.
Shroud seems to be a differnet case - Jack wasn't there for Daniel in the critical moment, and whichever way it went, it doesn't seem as if Daniel makes it in one piece - of coruse, it's all speculation til the episode aired, but whatever reason he agreed to become a Prior, it doesn't seem encouraging.
Highlightling that - in addition to Jack hopefully being the one to pull Daniel back when its all over - would just make the analogy all the more stnoger.
Speaking of which, I realised Daniel spends most of the episode beign a Prior... but I really really hope they're going to have some serious scenes between the two once Daniel has been de-Priorised.
(And here comes the non-comfort part of me.... I hope the "happy ending" of this ends with Daniel de-priorising. I'm really really hoping hey don't do an "all's well that end's well" scene at the end of the episode....)

MS has said that there was a lot of changing between the Prior make up and Daniel's usual make up throughout the episode so I'm hoping for flash backs or something like that.

FF :nox:

[Dani347]

MS has said that there was a lot of changing between the Prior make up and Daniel's usual make up throughout the episode so I'm hoping for flash backs or something like that.

FF :nox:


Good. I don't think I can take Daniel looking the way he did in the picture I saw for a whole episode. And, I really hope that at least some point in the episode when he's with Jack he looks like Daniel. I mean, Daniel looks like Daniel.

[Pitry]

Good. I don't think I can take Daniel looking the way he did in the picture I saw for a whole episode. And, I really hope that at least some point in the episode when he's with Jack he looks like Daniel. I mean, Daniel looks like Daniel.

Shroud
Well, Jack looking like Daniel would be a new one... they haven't done that since Holiday :D
As forf the flashbacks, I'm glad for a differnet reason - I'm really hopiong the solution doesn't include Adria in any way, and when I've seen Morena Baccarin isin this episode....but since there are flashbacks, she's prolly in them, not in the "real time".

[JessM]

Oooh you could say that!
Not much of a spoiler - I really, really, REALLY want Abyss redux. But in reverse, of course, with Jack being there for Daniel.
Much as I liked Evolution, there just wasn't quite the level of H/C I needed in those episodes.
It's payback time for Daniel putting it all on the line to get the information to the team as to where Jack was in Abyss. That was a fabulous moment - Teal'c in meditation, Daniel bending the rules and finding a way to help. I wasn't even a 'Fan' with a capital F but that episode got to me.
In truth, it was Changling and Abyss which changed me from a casual watcher into a Fan. And of course, the acting in Abyss was top notch too, there's nothing like a bottle show, which much of Abyss was, to bring out the best in actors (I'm thinking K'gar and Londo stuck in a lift or any number of Bashir/O'Brien scenes).
I really want a Jack/Daniel/Sam/Teal'c moment, if RDA isn't in the movies, it might be the last one. I know we had the lovely Jack/Daniel scene at the start of season 9, quintessial J/D interaction 'I'm scared/I'm hungry' but I'm allowed to be greedy, I want just one more.

FF :nox: on tenterhooks till Tuesday

Not sure if this is much of a spoiler either...but still, just in case...

I would really love to see a sort of Abyss redux. I read an interview with RDA and he said he makes this really long-winded speech to Daniel walking around him, and it just gets longer and more drawn out until he finally cuts it down ... or some words to that effect. I've really been missing the Jack/Daniel friendship. We need SOMEthing.

I also would like a Jack/Daniel/Sam/Teal'c moment. Daniel being missing, and then turning up as a Prior (okay so this is a spoiler...heh, oops) had to have really affected these guys. I read there's a scene at the end where Daniel is in the infirmary. I would really like to see Jack, Sam, and Teal'c get to tell him they missed him and are glad he's back. Yeah I know, they're used to Daniel going missing/being killed/corrupted, whatever... but at the end of the day, they're still his friends and they care a great deal for him. It would be nice to see onscreen that this is still the case.

Okay, I'll stop with the rant now. :o It's just that there is so much that's been missing from the show lately and I think we may have a chance to see it again... so I'm really hoping for it (although not trying to get my hopes up much so I'm not setting myself up for a big fall or anything of course).

[Rachel500]

I think I echo pretty much what everyone else has said.

My hopes...(mild spoilers for The Shroud)



I am really hoping we get something of the quality of Abyss even if we don't get a complete Abyss redux.

While I hope there is a lot of Jack/Daniel with Jack's friendship and belief in Daniel helping to bring Daniel back from the dark side, I also hope the episode showcases the team's concern for Daniel just as in Abyss the main thread followed Jack and Daniel but the rest of the SG1 team's search for Jack formed the other sub-plot.

I also quite greedily want this to be mainly original SG1 with Vala and Cam restricted to cameo roles - harsh, I know, and I like both characters normally but I want this to be something that showcases the original SG1 dynamic. Unfortunately I don't think I'll get this given the Daniel/Vala pairing they keep using...



I'm trying not to get too hopeful and trying to keep my expectations to a minimum because then whatever I do get will be a bonus and I won't be too disappointed if the whole thing is terrible....

[Pitry]

I think I echo pretty much what everyone else has said.

My hopes...(mild spoilers for The Shroud)



I am really hoping we get something of the quality of Abyss even if we don't get a complete Abyss redux.

While I hope there is a lot of Jack/Daniel with Jack's friendship and belief in Daniel helping to bring Daniel back from the dark side, I also hope the episode showcases the team's concern for Daniel just as in Abyss the main thread followed Jack and Daniel but the rest of the SG1 team's search for Jack formed the other sub-plot.

I also quite greedily want this to be mainly original SG1 with Vala and Cam restricted to cameo roles - harsh, I know, and I like both characters normally but I want this to be something that showcases the original SG1 dynamic. Unfortunately I don't think I'll get this given the Daniel/Vala pairing they keep using...



I'm trying not to get too hopeful and trying to keep my expectations to a minimum because then whatever I do get will be a bonus and I won't be too disappointed if the whole thing is terrible....

I might be over optimistic but...
I don't think there will be too much of an emphasis on Daniel/ Vala in this episode. Or at least, I hope. Yes, RCC likes playing with the Daniel/ Vala dynamic, but also with the Jack/ Daniel one. And I think withj the history between teh characters, and all the different directions this could go between them, that the episode would be Jack/ Daniel heavy with a lighter appearances from all the rest of the hcaracters.
Which would in some way be a shame because it'd be nice to have this very strong chance for hte team to bond used.
I just don't think it will be that Daniel/ Vala heavy.
Or hope? :)

[poundpuppy29]

I finally got to see Full Circle and I did love it but I was having computer issues so that was the only ep I had left before I could watch my DVDs and it drove me crazy. I watched Fallen and Homecoming and I hope season 7 has lots of Daniel eps. I really can't wait for the Shroud those who watch first I want spoilers lots of them. I am looking forward to a Daniel ep with lots of moments that will keep everyone happy no matter what their ship or preference.

[Franklyn Blaze]

How many times has daniel died? I'm just curious. Counting all Daniels in all time lines and AU's.

[JessM]

I think I echo pretty much what everyone else has said.

My hopes...(mild spoilers for The Shroud)



I am really hoping we get something of the quality of Abyss even if we don't get a complete Abyss redux.

While I hope there is a lot of Jack/Daniel with Jack's friendship and belief in Daniel helping to bring Daniel back from the dark side, I also hope the episode showcases the team's concern for Daniel just as in Abyss the main thread followed Jack and Daniel but the rest of the SG1 team's search for Jack formed the other sub-plot.

I also quite greedily want this to be mainly original SG1 with Vala and Cam restricted to cameo roles - harsh, I know, and I like both characters normally but I want this to be something that showcases the original SG1 dynamic. Unfortunately I don't think I'll get this given the Daniel/Vala pairing they keep using...



I'm trying not to get too hopeful and trying to keep my expectations to a minimum because then whatever I do get will be a bonus and I won't be too disappointed if the whole thing is terrible....

I don't think you're too greedy Rachel... I feel the same way about it. I would love for there to be an emphasis on the Jack/Daniel friendship and it being one of the main factors (if not THE main factor) for bringing Daniel back to our side. I'm pretty cynical by nature and I'm also trying not to get my hopes up, though. I really don't want them to emphasize to us that Vala is the only one who cares about Daniel. We got to see how Daniel's disappearance affected everyone, and we should get to see how his being a Prior will affect them, especially Jack. So I'd hope that they do this well and not just have the emphasis on Daniel/Vala. But again like you i'm not getting my hopes up and trying to keep my expectations low.


I might be over optimistic but...
I don't think there will be too much of an emphasis on Daniel/ Vala in this episode. Or at least, I hope. Yes, RCC likes playing with the Daniel/ Vala dynamic, but also with the Jack/ Daniel one. And I think withj the history between teh characters, and all the different directions this could go between them, that the episode would be Jack/ Daniel heavy with a lighter appearances from all the rest of the hcaracters.
Which would in some way be a shame because it'd be nice to have this very strong chance for hte team to bond used.
I just don't think it will be that Daniel/ Vala heavy.
Or hope? :)

I'd hope that you're right. At the most I'd like to see some Jack/Daniel friendship and ideally would love to see some good team stuff - but again, I'm trying not to get my hopes up. I find that it works better for me personally so that I'm not setting myself up for a big disappointment.

[JessM]

I finally got to see Full Circle and I did love it but I was having computer issues so that was the only ep I had left before I could watch my DVDs and it drove me crazy. I watched Fallen and Homecoming and I hope season 7 has lots of Daniel eps.

Season 7 has quite a few Daniel-centric eps... or mostly Daniel-centric eps. Orpheus is a good one even though it's more of a Teal'c ep, Daniel has an important role in it. Lifeboat is... well, what can I say, you'll see for yourself! :) Enemy Mine is Daniel and Chaka (the Unas)... Evolution Part 1 and 2 has lots of Danny whumping. Um... Chimera of course has Daniel with Sarah/Osiris... So yeah, lots of Daniel-centric eps.


I really can't wait for the Shroud those who watch first I want spoilers lots of them. I am looking forward to a Daniel ep with lots of moments that will keep everyone happy no matter what their ship or preference.

Hear, hear :)

[JessM]

How many times has daniel died? I'm just curious. Counting all Daniels in all time lines and AU's.

Oh, boy... well, let's see :D

1. Shot and killed in Stargate movie (revived with sarcophagus)
2. The Nox (killed along with the rest of SG-1; revived by Nox)
3. Fire and Water (believed to be dead by rest of SG-1... not sure if this one counts)
4. There but for the Grace of God (his AU self was presumed killed in goa'uld attack)
5. 2010 (his "future self" was killed trying to get the message back through the 'gate)
6. The Light (not sure if this counts... didn't his heart stop beating at one point?)
7. Double Jeopardy (Robot Daniel "killed")
8. Meridian (*sniffle sniffle*)
9. Gemini Shot in simulation by RepliCarter (not sure if it counts)
10. Reckoning Part 2 (by RepliCarter)
11. Moebius Part 2 (GeekDaniel killed by AU Teal'c)

That's about all I can think of for now. I'm sure I either missed one or two, or mentioned several that don't count. ;)

[poundpuppy29]

Originally Posted by Franklyn Blaze http://forum.gateworld.net/images/gw_buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?p=6261279#post6261279)
How many times has daniel died? I'm just curious. Counting all Daniels in all time lines and AU's.

Oh, boy... well, let's see :D

1. Shot and killed in Stargate movie (revived with sarcophagus)
2. The Nox (killed along with the rest of SG-1; revived by Nox)
3. Fire and Water (believed to be dead by rest of SG-1... not sure if this one counts)
4. There but for the Grace of God (his AU self was presumed killed in goa'uld attack)
5. 2010 (his "future self" was killed trying to get the message back through the 'gate)
6. The Light (not sure if this counts... didn't his heart stop beating at one point?)
7. Double Jeopardy (Robot Daniel "killed")
8. Meridian (*sniffle sniffle*)
9. Gemini Shot in simulation by RepliCarter (not sure if it counts)
10. Reckoning Part 2 (by RepliCarter)
11. Moebius Part 2 (GeekDaniel killed by AU Teal'c)

That's about all I can think of for now. I'm sure I either missed one or two, or mentioned several that don't count. ;)
How many cats is he lol.

[Callista]

How many cats is he lol.

1 and 2 ninths so far according to this list.

[MaeveBran]

Oh, boy... well, let's see :D

1. Shot and killed in Stargate movie (revived with sarcophagus)
2. The Nox (killed along with the rest of SG-1; revived by Nox)
3. Fire and Water (believed to be dead by rest of SG-1... not sure if this one counts)
4. There but for the Grace of God (his AU self was presumed killed in goa'uld attack)
5. 2010 (his "future self" was killed trying to get the message back through the 'gate)
6. The Light (not sure if this counts... didn't his heart stop beating at one point?)
7. Double Jeopardy (Robot Daniel "killed")
8. Meridian (*sniffle sniffle*)
9. Gemini Shot in simulation by RepliCarter (not sure if it counts)
10. Reckoning Part 2 (by RepliCarter)
11. Moebius Part 2 (GeekDaniel killed by AU Teal'c)

That's about all I can think of for now. I'm sure I either missed one or two, or mentioned several that don't count. ;)


Here's my count:
The Stargate Daniel Jackson Score Card

*Dead- 8 times (the movie and the episodes "The Nox" and "Holiday" [the body Daniel's conscieousness is in flatlines], "2010", and "The Light" and "Meridian" and "The Reckoning Part2", "Mobius Part 2")
*Mortally Wounded- 2 times ("The Serpant's Lair" and "Need")
*Presummed Dead-4 times ("Fire and Water" and "The Serpant's Lair", "Enemies" and "Fail Safe")
*Seduced by Alien Women- 2 times ("Hathor" and "Past and Present")
*Ribbon Device-7 times ("Within The Serpant's Grasp","Forever in a Day", "Chimeria"[Osiris ribbons him twice], "The Curse", "Mobius Part2"[Apophis ribbons him twice])
*Mind Messed With-5 times ("Urgo","Fallen","Lifboat", "Beneath the Surface", "The Fifth Man")
*Taken Prisoner(in an actual prison)- 5times ( "Serpant's Lair", "Prisoners", "Jolinar's Memories", and "Beneath the Surface" and "Ethon")
*Taken Hostage/Prisoner- 5 times ("Foothold", "Affinity", "Evolution", "In the Line of Duty","The First Ones")

I kept track as I was watching.=)

[Madeleine]

Here's my count:
The Stargate Daniel Jackson Score Card

*Dead- 8 times (the movie and the episodes "The Nox" and "Holiday" [the body Daniel's conscieousness is in flatlines], "2010", and "The Light" and "Meridian" and "The Reckoning Part2", "Mobius Part 2")
*Mortally Wounded- 2 times ("The Serpant's Lair" and "Need")
*Presummed Dead-4 times ("Fire and Water" and "The Serpant's Lair", "Enemies" and "Fail Safe")
*Seduced by Alien Women- 2 times ("Hathor" and "Past and Present")
*Ribbon Device-7 times ("Within The Serpant's Grasp","Forever in a Day", "Chimeria"[Osiris ribbons him twice], "The Curse", "Mobius Part2"[Apophis ribbons him twice])
*Mind Messed With-5 times ("Urgo","Fallen","Lifboat", "Beneath the Surface", "The Fifth Man")
*Taken Prisoner(in an actual prison)- 5times ( "Serpant's Lair", "Prisoners", "Jolinar's Memories", and "Beneath the Surface" and "Ethon")
*Taken Hostage/Prisoner- 5 times ("Foothold", "Affinity", "Evolution", "In the Line of Duty","The First Ones")

I kept track as I was watching.=)

Also Mind Messed With in Holiday and in Legacy

Prisoner in New Ground, in Beast of Burden and in Demons (how could you forget the chains!)

Does he die in a simulation in Avatar?

[MaeveBran]

Also Mind Messed With in Holiday and in Legacy

Prisoner in New Ground, in Beast of Burden and in Demons (how could you forget the chains!)

Does he die in a simulation in Avatar?

Doh! I think I really started said list after season 4 and some categories were late additions.


Yes Daniel dies several times in Avatar both before and after he joins the game. (He even was a Goa'uld a coupke times)

[JessM]

Oh that's right! I was thinking of including that one too (Avatar) but I couldn't remember if he'd actually died or not. But you are right about that one...

[DJgirl]

Here's my count:
The Stargate Daniel Jackson Score Card

*Dead- 8 times (the movie and the episodes "The Nox" and "Holiday" [the body Daniel's conscieousness is in flatlines], "2010", and "The Light" and "Meridian" and "The Reckoning Part2", "Mobius Part 2")
*Mortally Wounded- 2 times ("The Serpant's Lair" and "Need")
*Presummed Dead-4 times ("Fire and Water" and "The Serpant's Lair", "Enemies" and "Fail Safe")
*Seduced by Alien Women- 2 times ("Hathor" and "Past and Present")
*Ribbon Device-7 times ("Within The Serpant's Grasp","Forever in a Day", "Chimeria"[Osiris ribbons him twice], "The Curse", "Mobius Part2"[Apophis ribbons him twice])
*Mind Messed With-5 times ("Urgo","Fallen","Lifboat", "Beneath the Surface", "The Fifth Man")
*Taken Prisoner(in an actual prison)- 5times ( "Serpant's Lair", "Prisoners", "Jolinar's Memories", and "Beneath the Surface" and "Ethon")
*Taken Hostage/Prisoner- 5 times ("Foothold", "Affinity", "Evolution", "In the Line of Duty","The First Ones")

I kept track as I was watching.=)

Very nice Maeve:D That is impressive!!!

[MaeveBran]

Very nice Maeve:D That is impressive!!!

Thanks. I think it just proves I have way too much time on my hands to fixate on my favorite character.*grins*

[poundpuppy29]

Thanks. I think it just proves I have way too much time on my hands to fixate on my favorite character.*grins*
lol that's ok you are just focused like the rest of us Daniel lovers:danielanime13: Daniel is well looked after;)

[Madeleine]

Shroud It was good. Daniel looked really creepy and reptilian, you weren't entirely sure it was really him or if he was evil. He's good though, Hurrah!

[DJgirl]

Thanks. I think it just proves I have way too much time on my hands to fixate on my favorite character.*grins*

A little OT...
Nahhhh...I have done similar stuff with my Star Wars obsession. Actually that wasn't just me either. My best friend in high school and I were so obsessed with the trilogy that we catagorized lots and lots of things. We used to get together almost every weekend and watch the Trilogy straight through. This was before the new movies came out, or else we probably would have done the same thing with those too!!!

[DJgirl]

Ok...I did it this time. I told myself I wasn't going to look at any spoilers today and just wait until I can watch The Shroud tomorrow, but I looked anyways. I thought, one spoiler can't be that bad right? WRONG!!!!! OMGosh, I went spoiler crazy the second I finished reading the first one. I can't get enough now!!!!

Is it tomorrow yet so I can watch it??????????? I am dying here:lol:

[poundpuppy29]

Ok...I did it this time. I told myself I wasn't going to look at any spoilers today and just wait until I can watch The Shroud tomorrow, but I looked anyways. I thought, one spoiler can't be that bad right? WRONG!!!!! OMGosh, I went spoiler crazy the second I finished reading the first one. I can't get enough now!!!!

Is it tomorrow yet so I can watch it??????????? I am dying here:lol:
join the club I am a spoiler fiend. I can't wait to see it I've read good things.

[DJgirl]

join the club I am a spoiler fiend. I can't wait to see it I've read good things.

I am a huge spoiler person. Somethings though I try to stay away from, but it never ends up working:) They need SP(Spoiler-holics Annonymous)!!!

Hi my name is Wendy and I am a Spoiler-holic...hehehehe

[JessM]

LOL... I am the same way. :)

[Pitry]

Shroud...
I dunno, I was really hoping we'd get to see a side of Daniel we've never seen yet. On this front, I feel it was kind of a wasted opportunity. I think they could have kepted him a good guy and yet see other, soemwhat darker sides of him. We knew he's got the capability to think he's the only one who can save the day through an insane plan that's bound to fail miserably... well, fairly early on. ;0

That been said... his conversations with Jack were priceless :)

[poundpuppy29]

I just watched the Shroud and I loved it. Daniel's brain must tired having Merlin in his head, having to keep up the act to fool Adria, convincing SGC to believe him

[DJgirl]

I just watched the Shroud and I loved it. Daniel's brain must tired having Merlin in his head, having to keep up the act to fool Adria, convincing SGC to believe him

The episode was so worth the wait!! I have already watched it twice...LOL

The Shroud
Daniel and Jack were so good, it almost made me sad to know this was Jack's last episode. They have something that can't be duplicated.

[Kales]

My god MS did such a good job in The Shroud.


'Shipper or not the scene with Vala was amazing - one of the best to come out of the show in the last season.

And the return of jack-banter *swoons*

Can I just say ... "Hellooooo! Merlin!" That kind of line delivery is a gift from the gods lol.



Loved it loved it loved it...

kay x

[JessM]

I haven't seen it yet but I have heard some good things and

the Jack/Daniel scenes sound great. I've really been missing the interaction, banter, etc. between them. I can't wait to see this ep.

I don't know what to make of the D/V scene, I've heard it was pretty good but I'm not a shipper of them and I really hope you all won't crucify me for that :(

I was so disappointed that they kept Sam away from Daniel. I guess she isn't his friend anymore and vice versa.

Sorry for harping on this... you must all think i'm nuts to even ship this pair when they don't even interact anymore... sorry :danielanime07:

[DJgirl]

I haven't seen it yet but I have heard some good things and

the Jack/Daniel scenes sound great. I've really been missing the interaction, banter, etc. between them. I can't wait to see this ep.

I don't know what to make of the D/V scene, I've heard it was pretty good but I'm not a shipper of them and I really hope you all won't crucify me for that :(

I was so disappointed that they kept Sam away from Daniel. I guess she isn't his friend anymore and vice versa.

Sorry for harping on this... you must all think i'm nuts to even ship this pair when they don't even interact anymore... sorry :danielanime07:

Spoiler for The Shroud

They don't keep Sam away from Daniel in this episode. She is right there when they first talk to him, actually I think she is the closest one to him. There is also one point where she has her hand on the back of his head.

[Kales]

[QUOTE]
I don't know what to make of the D/V scene, I've heard it was pretty good but I'm not a shipper of them and I really hope you all won't crucify me for that
[QUOTE]

:daniel: I'd never crucify anyone for 'shipping or not lol. hate it when people do that.
:vala: The scene can be taken a 'shippy way (like me) or in a friendship way. It's a friends/comfort scene or a DV scene. They don't make a decision on it. It's pretty clear that they mean a lot to each other, but other than a line by Adria - oh so reliable - there's no out and out 'shippy.

It's brilliant either way -CB does such a good job in it. And well, MS is MS. The man acts it perfectly.



You can't help who you love or who you 'ship ... :)

kay x

[JessM]

Spoiler for The Shroud

They don't keep Sam away from Daniel in this episode. She is right there when they first talk to him, actually I think she is the closest one to him. There is also one point where she has her hand on the back of his head.

Really? Well I guess that's good then, but if he doesn't interact with her then it's almost moot to me.

I must sound like one of those people whom no one can ever please - and that's not really it... it just bugs me so much that tptb haven't given us (us meaning me and that couple of other people who ship S/D) anything this season, like i have no reason to even ship them anymore.

sorry...I'm not always this nutty sounding... I'm just not in a good mood and I've had some S/J and D/V shippers chewing me out (at other sites) the past two days explaining to me why I have no reasons to ship these two. I know I need to stop taking things so personally...

Sorry again and I hope no one reds me for this. :( I really will shut up about it now.

[JessM]

:daniel: I'd never crucify anyone for 'shipping or not lol. hate it when people do that.
:vala: The scene can be taken a 'shippy way (like me) or in a friendship way. It's a friends/comfort scene or a DV scene. They don't make a decision on it. It's pretty clear that they mean a lot to each other, but other than a line by Adria - oh so reliable - there's no out and out 'shippy.

It's brilliant either way -CB does such a good job in it. And well, MS is MS. The man acts it perfectly.



You can't help who you love or who you 'ship ... :)

kay x

Thanks kay, I appreciate that. :) If only all shippers could be that understanding.

[Kales]

I must sound like one of those people whom no one can ever please - and that's not really it... it just bugs me so much that tptb haven't given us (us meaning me and that couple of other people who ship S/D) anything this season, like i have no reason to even ship them anymore.

sorry...I'm not always this nutty sounding... I'm just not in a good mood and I've had some S/J and D/V shippers chewing me out (at other sites) the past two days explaining to me why I have no reasons to ship these two. I know I need to stop taking things so personally...



meh people can be mean on boards a lot. it says more about them than you. Hmmmph. I love Daniel/Vala - when she's being a bit more serious and grown up, DV wasn't my thing while she was all young and silly (although the chemistry was great in Prometheus Unbound), but I'd never chew another 'ship down. What's the point? I could be discussing how much I love Daniel hehe - MS is painfully good in the Shroud. It's been suggested that he overplayed it a little, but i think it fits with the fact


that he's running out of time and desperate.



I did a review of the shroud for the Fan Reviews thread and the big flaw I flagged up was criminal underuse of Sam. She gets some nice moments but still. And then had a minor rant on how it's been the same all blimin' season. Grrr.... I'm not a SD 'shipper but I love the dynamic between them so much ... I mean we got Morpheus, which was good. But then what? Grr. It's just such a waste of a well-developed great relationship.


kay x

[JessM]

meh people can be mean on boards a lot. it says more about them than you. Hmmmph. I love Daniel/Vala - when she's being a bit more serious and grown up, DV wasn't my thing while she was all young and silly (although the chemistry was great in Prometheus Unbound), but I'd never chew another 'ship down. What's the point? I could be discussing how much I love Daniel hehe - MS is painfully good in the Shroud. It's been suggested that he overplayed it a little, but i think it fits with the fact


that he's running out of time and desperate.


Yeah I think you're right about that. People can be so silly and mean and obsessive on boards sometimes. Luckily I find those people to be in the minority (though some times it bothers me more than others, lol). I'm a fan of MS' acting, so I am interesting in seeing this... so, thanks for your take on it! I'll keep that in mind as I'm watching :)



I did a review of the shroud for the Fan Reviews thread and the big flaw I flagged up was criminal underuse of Sam. She gets some nice moments but still. And then had a minor rant on how it's been the same all blimin' season. Grrr.... I'm not a SD 'shipper but I love the dynamic between them so much ... I mean we got Morpheus, which was good. But then what? Grr. It's just such a waste of a well-developed great relationship.


kay x

I should check that out... yeah it's what I've noticed. And I agree, even if you don't ship them the friendship/dynamic was always nice and it's a shame to not see much of it. I'm hoping there will be a bit more in the rest of the season and if not, then in the DVD movies.

[poundpuppy29]

MS was awesome. The Jack and Daniel scenes were great.

[Rachel500]

I haven't seen it yet but I have heard some good things and

the Jack/Daniel scenes sound great. I've really been missing the interaction, banter, etc. between them. I can't wait to see this ep.

I don't know what to make of the D/V scene, I've heard it was pretty good but I'm not a shipper of them and I really hope you all won't crucify me for that :(

I was so disappointed that they kept Sam away from Daniel. I guess she isn't his friend anymore and vice versa.

Sorry for harping on this... you must all think i'm nuts to even ship this pair when they don't even interact anymore... sorry :danielanime07:

((((JessM))))

Sorry to hear other shippers have been giving you a hard time. Everyone is entitled to their own idea about who should and shouldn't be together...I say quite often shippiness is very much in the eye of the beholder...

On The Shroud and Sam/Daniel's relationship....



I actually think all the relationships between the original team were shown in some way - although some more immediately obvious than others.

Even when Sam was not present she asked about Daniel - when they first beamed him up and when she was on the bridge and the others were in the infirmary.

She was in a couple of scenes with him with the rest of the team when they are questioning Daniel. Sam and Teal'c both stand close to Daniel whereas Cameron and Vala stand at the back. Body language is very closed on the latter two (crossed arms); very open on the older team-mates (open arms).

Later, when Daniel beams onto the Ori ship, it is Sam who questions his words and who helps him into the chair; she is very reluctant to leave him but goes on his urgent plea to save Cam and Vala and activate the device. When they run back onto the bridge, it is Sam who immediately runs up to the chair and checks on Daniel (interestingly Vala hangs back to check on the unconscious Adria).

As you know, I don't ship S/D but I did think they did show her relationship with Daniel. Sure, Teal'c did get a one-to-one scene and obviously there were lots of Jack and Daniel but I didn't feel like the Sam/Daniel dynamic had been forgotten. And don't forget, that in RNT, both at the start and end, Sam asked for any word on Daniel. I think there's lots of positives to derive from the last two episodes depending on your level of shippy interpretation of what is shown on screen. (Can't believe I just said that - checks credentials as an S/J shipper...)

As for Daniel/Adria; Adria kisses him not the other way around and given 'Merlin' notes that he protected Daniel to fool Adria, I think there is probably a question mark over whether it was Daniel who was present at the kiss, or the latent personality of Merlin...

As for Daniel/Vala; I don't ship for them either as you know. TPTB are obviously suggesting the ship as they have her sitting on Daniel's lap at the beginning of the scene but Vala's a very tactile person and as he is completely restrained there's very little else she can do in terms of physical contact...as the discussion turns serious so does she and she gets off him. It's actually a great scene because they both drop their fencing acts for a second and get honest with each other. Again, the scene is ambiguous - if you're D/V inclined and wanted to see ship, you probably would...if you're not, you can write the scene off to two friends confiding in each other. Quite honestly, I personally saw more sparkage between Cam/Vala in the bantering exchanges the two of them had together over the assembling of the Sangraal than between Daniel/Vala...


Just have to say that I thought MS was very good in The Shroud and...


loved the Jack/Daniel stuff and really liked the episode. I thought it was very good but where was the controversial arc for Daniel???

Sure, Daniel having had Merlin in his head is a little whacky but his head resets once Merlin leaves and he seems to have little memory of Merlin's actions given his complete blank on cloaking the ship...

The tease of whether Daniel had gone to the dark side was good if not pushed far enough but anyone else feeling a little - is that it?

[JessM]

MS was awesome. The Jack and Daniel scenes were great.

I read the transcript and saw the pics from it and it looks like those scenes were great. Yay! I can't wait to see this one. :)

[JessM]

((((JessM))))

Sorry to hear other shippers have been giving you a hard time. Everyone is entitled to their own idea about who should and shouldn't be together...I say quite often shippiness is very much in the eye of the beholder...

(((Rachel))) Thanks for the hugs :) Wish I could green ya but they tell me I need to spread the love around a bit more first. I agree - that's how I've always seen it myself, and it bugs me when I run into people of the "I'm right and you're wrong and that's all there is to it" persuasion. Luckily they've been in the minority of the fans I have met.


On The Shroud and Sam/Daniel's relationship....



I actually think all the relationships between the original team were shown in some way - although some more immediately obvious than others.

Even when Sam was not present she asked about Daniel - when they first beamed him up and when she was on the bridge and the others were in the infirmary.

She was in a couple of scenes with him with the rest of the team when they are questioning Daniel. Sam and Teal'c both stand close to Daniel whereas Cameron and Vala stand at the back. Body language is very closed on the latter two (crossed arms); very open on the older team-mates (open arms).

Later, when Daniel beams onto the Ori ship, it is Sam who questions his words and who helps him into the chair; she is very reluctant to leave him but goes on his urgent plea to save Cam and Vala and activate the device. When they run back onto the bridge, it is Sam who immediately runs up to the chair and checks on Daniel (interestingly Vala hangs back to check on the unconscious Adria).

As you know, I don't ship S/D but I did think they did show her relationship with Daniel. Sure, Teal'c did get a one-to-one scene and obviously there were lots of Jack and Daniel but I didn't feel like the Sam/Daniel dynamic had been forgotten. And don't forget, that in RNT, both at the start and end, Sam asked for any word on Daniel. I think there's lots of positives to derive from the last two episodes depending on your level of shippy interpretation of what is shown on screen. (Can't believe I just said that - checks credentials as an S/J shipper...)

As for Daniel/Adria; Adria kisses him not the other way around and given 'Merlin' notes that he protected Daniel to fool Adria, I think there is probably a question mark over whether it was Daniel who was present at the kiss, or the latent personality of Merlin...

As for Daniel/Vala; I don't ship for them either as you know. TPTB are obviously suggesting the ship as they have her sitting on Daniel's lap at the beginning of the scene but Vala's a very tactile person and as he is completely restrained there's very little else she can do in terms of physical contact...as the discussion turns serious so does she and she gets off him. It's actually a great scene because they both drop their fencing acts for a second and get honest with each other. Again, the scene is ambiguous - if you're D/V inclined and wanted to see ship, you probably would...if you're not, you can write the scene off to two friends confiding in each other. Quite honestly, I personally saw more sparkage between Cam/Vala in the bantering exchanges the two of them had together over the assembling of the Sangraal than between Daniel/Vala...


I have to say that when you put it that way, I agree and it does make sense. Thanks for outlining it for me like that. :) I found a transcript and image gallery online, and I was pleased that Sam did get to exchange some dialogue with Daniel here and there. And I did see some nice screen caps with them, so i was pleased for that. I should probably keep in mind though that I still haven't *watched* it, so there are things that I can miss just from reading the transcript and looking at caps.

I was told there was shippy music in that scene where Vala sits on Daniel's lap - is that what you noticed?

lol - personally, just from reading the transcript, it does seem like there was more sparkage between Cam and Vala in spots...but again just my opinion. :)


Just have to say that I thought MS was very good in The Shroud and...


loved the Jack/Daniel stuff and really liked the episode. I thought it was very good but where was the controversial arc for Daniel???

Sure, Daniel having had Merlin in his head is a little whacky but his head resets once Merlin leaves and he seems to have little memory of Merlin's actions given his complete blank on cloaking the ship...

The tease of whether Daniel had gone to the dark side was good if not pushed far enough but anyone else feeling a little - is that it?

Again just from what I've read of the transcript and seen of the pics, it does look like there's some great Jack/Daniel stuff ... really looking forward to that. Loved how Jack said something like, "Well, this is new" when he first saw Daniel, lol. And loved how Daniel reminded Jack of how he was there for him in Abyss... and the ruffling of the hair at the end. Nice to see their friendship is still intact after all this time. :daniel:

I agree. Hmm this may be a record for the "shortest controversial arc" ever ;)

[poundpuppy29]

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I loved when Daniel reminded Jack that he was there for him when Baal was torturing him he needed Jack to help him

This was a great Daniel Ep

[JessM]

Yes, I loved that moment too! And I loved when Jack was arguing with the IOA guys (Woolsey etc.) and said they would kill Daniel "over my dead body!!"

Some very good things in this eppy :D

[Anuna]

Heaven't seen all of SG - 1 yet, but I'm pretty much up to date with spoilers :D I hate the fact that Daniel is always the one to die, come back, get crazy, get back to normal, become evil and the normal again... but MS does such a great job at that! "Lifeboat" and "Legacy" are definitely some of my favourite episodes. IMO Michael is the best actor in SG - 1 cast.

[poundpuppy29]

Heaven't seen all of SG - 1 yet, but I'm pretty much up to date with spoilers :D I hate the fact that Daniel is always the one to die, come back, get crazy, get back to normal, become evil and the normal again... but MS does such a great job at that! "Lifeboat" and "Legacy" are definitely some of my favourite episodes. IMO Michael is the best actor in SG - 1 cast.
ITA 100%

[DJgirl]

Heaven't seen all of SG - 1 yet, but I'm pretty much up to date with spoilers :D I hate the fact that Daniel is always the one to die, come back, get crazy, get back to normal, become evil and the normal again... but MS does such a great job at that! "Lifeboat" and "Legacy" are definitely some of my favourite episodes. IMO Michael is the best actor in SG - 1 cast.

It is like you said, MS is the best actor on SG-1 so that is why they give him all those storylines. He can totally handle them all:) But maybe it is just me being biased...LOL

[poundpuppy29]

I recently saw Life Boat and MS was awesome. I am in the middle of season 7 and it seems like that it was a Daniel friendly season.

[DJgirl]

I recently saw Life Boat and MS was awesome. I am in the middle of season 7 and it seems like that it was a Daniel friendly season.

Evolution and Chimera come are the first things that come to mind when someone says season 7. Both are pretty good eps!!!

[JessM]

Yes, lots of good Daniel eps that season. Evolution, Chimera, Enemy Mine... and even in the eps where he's not the focus he can almost steal the show in some of the scenes.

He had some good lines in Fragile Balance ("Sounds like him, at least the loud, grating parts."; "There's no easy way to say this, so.... Sam's just gonna come out and say it."; "What do we do if Thor doesn't show up? ... (Thor shows up) ... "Never mind.") ... and I thought he looked pretty hot in it - IMHO of course ;)

Um... He was good in Grace, even if that was supposed to be Sam's subconscious. He was just so bubbly and I loved the way he batted his eyelashes at her... I even made an icon out of it, hehheh.

Even though he didn't have tons of screen time in Death Knell, MS' acting was great, portraying his frustration over the Jaffa and Tok'ra not being able to agree, as well as Sam being missing (also loved his scenes with Jacob... very nice :)).

So even in the eps that weren't Daniel-centric, he's done a great job :cool:

[Pitry]

Concerning the "controversy" in Shroud.
JM said in his blog it was supposed to be three episodes when they first worked on the idea. I woudln't've been surprised if in the original layout there was more dark/ controversial stuff, perhaps Daniel's motives were different or perhaps all the team interaction was a little bit differnet - think of it. What I've noticed about both the scene betweren Vala dn Daniel and the scene between Daniel and Woolsey... the way they shot it. At the end of the Vala and Daniel scene, after she tells him she can't trust him compeltely and then walks away, adn the camera backs off as well... if there's one moment in this episode when it feels Daniel is alone, it's then.If there's one time you feel his friends migth asbandno him after all, that's where they get it. Same with Woolsey, teh way they shot the ebginning of that scene.. and the entire interaction between them - the one moment when I started wonder if Daniel was faking it or not, it was that moment, when he messes around with the SFs and Woolsey.
- they could have turned it a lot darker, even if they kept Daniel's motivations the same in the original layout. I still feel there was a miss there, concerning why he did what he did adn the whole "merli" bit feels way too much liek a deus ex machina, sop from that angle I did come out a bit disappointed. I udnerstand why they woudln't want to screw up team interaction the way making it a true decision of Daniel to work with the Orii potentially can, but I think they coudl haev pulled it off, so in that respect, a shame.

Daniel's sense of urgency, I have to admit I mainly got that impression frmo his scene with Teal'c. Which was so loveyl, BTW :)

[poundpuppy29]

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I liked it when Daniel fooled Adria remember in I think Counterstrike when Adria said that Daniel had a strong mind well she should've known she couldn't brain wash him but I guess that was her "plans" for him make him a prior so he would convert Vala and the others. Daniel was protected by Merlin I don't think Adria planned for that.

[Madeleine]

Concerning the "controversy" in Shroud.
JM said in his blog it was supposed to be three episodes when they first worked on the idea. I woudln't've been surprised if in the original layout there was more dark/ controversial stuff, perhaps Daniel's motives were different or perhaps all the team interaction was a little bit differnet - think of it.

I like the sound of that. I loved what we got, but that sounds like it had the potential to be really good. I would have liked the Team to have more, and more serious doubts. Me, I wasn't entirely sure of Daniel at times, especially when he met Adria. And yes, I know that the Team weren't rushing to follow his requests and I know they used the device and restraints... it's just that they seemed 98% convinced of his veracity and their precautions were very much 'just in case'.

I'd have liked a longer arc to give the option of them *not* believing Daniel. It was heartwarming that they all trust him so deeply and implicitly that they will believe in him even after he spends a few weeks in the posession of a powerful enemy with brainwashing tendencies and then appears as an agent of said enemy, but it might have been exciting to see them disbelieve him. I'm not sure what it would have taken for them to actually disbelieve him rather than just not fully trust him, but in three episodes I'm sure it could have been managed.

If they'd been 50:50 as to whether it was really him in there, and had worried around the briefing room table - is it him? is he posessed? is the old Daniel there underneath? is the old Daniel retrievable? OMG how terrible it would be if we've lost our Daniel for ever! what can we do for him? poor Daniel! what made him submit to evil? - we could have had a meatier arc with more substance to it.

I feel quite bad whenever I criticise the really good eps. If any PTBs are lurking (in this thread? I doubt it, but still...) please don't think I'm bashing your Shroud; it's a great episode, but like all the really great episodes it inspires flights of fancy in the viewers; and we wonder how things could have gone if more than 42 minutes was available, or if certain nuances were different. :)

[Pitry]

I like the sound of that. I loved what we got, but that sounds like it had the potential to be really good. I would have liked the Team to have more, and more serious doubts. Me, I wasn't entirely sure of Daniel at times, especially when he met Adria. And yes, I know that the Team weren't rushing to follow his requests and I know they used the device and restraints... it's just that they seemed 98% convinced of his veracity and their precautions were very much 'just in case'.

I'd have liked a longer arc to give the option of them *not* believing Daniel. It was heartwarming that they all trust him so deeply and implicitly that they will believe in him even after he spends a few weeks in the posession of a powerful enemy with brainwashing tendencies and then appears as an agent of said enemy, but it might have been exciting to see them disbelieve him. I'm not sure what it would have taken for them to actually disbelieve him rather than just not fully trust him, but in three episodes I'm sure it could have been managed.

If they'd been 50:50 as to whether it was really him in there, and had worried around the briefing room table - is it him? is he posessed? is the old Daniel there underneath? is the old Daniel retrievable? OMG how terrible it would be if we've lost our Daniel for ever! what can we do for him? poor Daniel! what made him submit to evil? - we could have had a meatier arc with more substance to it.

I feel quite bad whenever I criticise the really good eps. If any PTBs are lurking (in this thread? I doubt it, but still...) please don't think I'm bashing your Shroud; it's a great episode, but like all the really great episodes it inspires flights of fancy in the viewers; and we wonder how things could have gone if more than 42 minutes was available, or if certain nuances were different. :)

mmmm... yup. :)
Shroud...
I think that's what made the Vala and Daniel scene perhaops the strongest, for me at least, in the episode. It wasn't a question of ship - I'm not a shipper - but because that was the one scene there was a real discussion of whether they believe Daniel or not.
Again. I understand why they didn't go that way - especially in the scope of 42 minutes. It kind of begs to have a residue for Daniel, his coming to them and them not trusting in him, even if it's that 2%. I dunno if Woolsey makes another appearance in the show or not, but after the scene between these two I woudl have liked to see another. Had they gone for more, in 42-plot-packed minutes, it's bound to screw up the team dynamics and they prolly didn't want that.
But you can't help but wonder.. ;)

[JessM]

I have to agree with you guys.

That was a real discussion of whether they believed Daniel or not. I mean, the Jack with Daniel scenes were great too, but I guess they weren't quite as effective as that one.

We had Teal'c say he believed Daniel, though I don't remember hearing Cam say much, and it *sounded* like Sam believed him, but she didn't come out and say anything to Daniel. I mean, she did defend him quite a bit, but it left me wondering whether or not Daniel himself thought she believed him.

[poundpuppy29]

I am soo glad spoilers for the shroud

that my baby returned to his normal gorgeous self. I don't accept that Daniel kissed Adria I think Merlin took over at that point to protect Daniel and fool Adria Merlin was a magician master of illusion.

[Callista]

Shroud spoiler: So, when Daniel asks Jack "Have I ever let you down?" and then immediately says "Don't answer that. Have I ever let you down when it really mattered?" what do you think he was getting at. I can't recall any time Daniel ever let Jack down whether it "really mattered" or not. In fact, it seems to me that Jack has let Daniel down several times, but never the other way around.....unless you count dying as letting someone down. It reminded me of "Past and Present" when he asks Jack "Who do you trust more than anyone else....don't worry I won't be offended if you don't say me. Could it be Teal'c?" To which Jack says "Yeah, OK." Has Daniel ever given Jack any reason not to trust him?

[poundpuppy29]

Shroud spoiler: So, when Daniel asks Jack "Have I ever let you down?" and then immediately says "Don't answer that. Have I ever let you down when it really mattered?" what do you think he was getting at. I can't recall any time Daniel ever let Jack down whether it "really mattered" or not. In fact, it seems to me that Jack has let Daniel down several times, but never the other way around.....unless you count dying as letting someone down. It reminded me of "Past and Present" when he asks Jack "Who do you trust more than anyone else....don't worry I won't be offended if you don't say me. Could it be Teal'c?" To which Jack says "Yeah, OK." Has Daniel ever given Jack any reason not to trust him?
The only time I can think of is Need but he didn't let him down but he did have the whole team work very hard while he was under the influance of that thing but he did get their freedom just took a little while.

[Madeleine]

Shroud spoiler: So, when Daniel asks Jack "Have I ever let you down?" and then immediately says "Don't answer that. Have I ever let you down when it really mattered?" what do you think he was getting at.

Beast of Burden: Daniel took the lead in that and he and Jack ended up imprisoned.

Need, of course - although he came through for them eventually.

Movie, when he was overconfident about being able to dial home... but when it really mattered he got the right gate address.

Basically, Daniel knows he's made his share of minor blunders but he hasn't ever let Jack down in the big things.

[Rachel500]

I have to agree with you guys.

That was a real discussion of whether they believed Daniel or not. I mean, the Jack with Daniel scenes were great too, but I guess they weren't quite as effective as that one.

We had Teal'c say he believed Daniel, though I don't remember hearing Cam say much, and it *sounded* like Sam believed him, but she didn't come out and say anything to Daniel. I mean, she did defend him quite a bit, but it left me wondering whether or not Daniel himself thought she believed him.


mmmm... yup. :)
Shroud...
I think that's what made the Vala and Daniel scene perhaops the strongest, for me at least, in the episode. It wasn't a question of ship - I'm not a shipper - but because that was the one scene there was a real discussion of whether they believe Daniel or not.
Again. I understand why they didn't go that way - especially in the scope of 42 minutes. It kind of begs to have a residue for Daniel, his coming to them and them not trusting in him, even if it's that 2%. I dunno if Woolsey makes another appearance in the show or not, but after the scene between these two I woudl have liked to see another. Had they gone for more, in 42-plot-packed minutes, it's bound to screw up the team dynamics and they prolly didn't want that.
But you can't help but wonder.. ;)


I like the sound of that. I loved what we got, but that sounds like it had the potential to be really good. I would have liked the Team to have more, and more serious doubts. Me, I wasn't entirely sure of Daniel at times, especially when he met Adria. And yes, I know that the Team weren't rushing to follow his requests and I know they used the device and restraints... it's just that they seemed 98% convinced of his veracity and their precautions were very much 'just in case'.

I'd have liked a longer arc to give the option of them *not* believing Daniel. It was heartwarming that they all trust him so deeply and implicitly that they will believe in him even after he spends a few weeks in the posession of a powerful enemy with brainwashing tendencies and then appears as an agent of said enemy, but it might have been exciting to see them disbelieve him. I'm not sure what it would have taken for them to actually disbelieve him rather than just not fully trust him, but in three episodes I'm sure it could have been managed.

If they'd been 50:50 as to whether it was really him in there, and had worried around the briefing room table - is it him? is he posessed? is the old Daniel there underneath? is the old Daniel retrievable? OMG how terrible it would be if we've lost our Daniel for ever! what can we do for him? poor Daniel! what made him submit to evil? - we could have had a meatier arc with more substance to it.

I feel quite bad whenever I criticise the really good eps. If any PTBs are lurking (in this thread? I doubt it, but still...) please don't think I'm bashing your Shroud; it's a great episode, but like all the really great episodes it inspires flights of fancy in the viewers; and we wonder how things could have gone if more than 42 minutes was available, or if certain nuances were different. :)


I'm going to agree with all of you :D

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I loved the episode but I wished it had been longer so they could have properly explored the issue of whether Daniel could be trusted or not. There was so much to explore - Daniel's potential seduction to the dark side by Adria playing to his own feelings of frustration about the Ancients or whether Merlin had taken over Daniel and had his own agenda not necessarily in synch with the team's and what Daniel himself would have done...there are so many ways they could have played it...but they just didn't have enough time so the question of whether they could trust him ended up as nothing more than a tease...

I agree with Madelaine that it quickly became apparent that the majority of the team DID trust him but were doing the 'just in case he isn't...' measures just in case...I actually think this was OK...I think the original three being quick to move past his appearance and trust Daniel when his plan makes sense to some degree is probably right...their opinion is clouded now to a large degree by their emotions and history together.

I did expect the newer members - Landry, Mitchell and Vala to some degree to be more sceptical and try to be the voice of caution and Mitchell looks very sceptical in the initial interrogation scenes as does Vala. I really enjoyed the Daniel/Vala scene because it was a real examination of whether they should trust him even if he was Daniel...he was asking them to risk the galaxy just on his say so...and even if it was him that was still a big ask...that whole new versus old dynamic could have been played up more though...

The Jack/Daniel scenes were played more for the banter than any meaningful discussion of trust. The initial scene between them is probably the best for this when Daniel brings up Ba'al and Jack reminds him that just because he knows stuff about them and their relationship doesn't mean he's actually Daniel. Teal'c/Daniel is really more a standard interrogation scene with Teal'c pressing Daniel on the weak points of his story and finding reasonable responses in reply...plus presumably doing the whole Jaffa I-can-see-to-the-truth-of-your-soul thing which is why I think Jack sends him in - although this isn't played up in the scene as much as I thought it would be. Sam, although leading the initial interrogations, only really questions his intent at the end when he is pretending to Adria he did it for her...although there really isn't another opportunity for her to demonstrate her disbelief/mistrust.

I also think the issue of whether to trust him or not is quickly overshadowed by the issue of whether to kill him or not presented by Woolsey in the middle of the episode which while likely to happen means the team is automatically put in the corner of trusting Daniel because they don't like Woolsey or his suggestion to kill Daniel.

I have to admit my only moment of doubt was when Daniel had Woolsey hostage but as he beams Jack up any doubt I had went away...and I didn't have any during the whole Adria scene at the end.

It's a shame - it's still a great episode - it just needed more time for the story to be told.

[Rachel500]

<snipped> In fact, it seems to me that Jack has let Daniel down several times, but never the other way around.....unless you count dying as letting someone down. It reminded me of "Past and Present" when he asks Jack "Who do you trust more than anyone else....don't worry I won't be offended if you don't say me. Could it be Teal'c?" To which Jack says "Yeah, OK." Has Daniel ever given Jack any reason not to trust him?

I tend to think its less to do with trust and more to do with the dynamic between Jack and Daniel. Both men come at situations in very different ways with very different viewpoints and that can lead to conflict between them. Jack and Teal'c on the other hand come from very similar places in viewing a problem and how to solve it. Entity's probably the best example of that; Sam and Daniel want to talk to it; Jack and Teal'c want to blow it up.

In the end, Jack and Daniel trust each other, and both have come through for each other when it really mattered, but both have equally occasionally seemed to let the other down in their belief over whether the other's approach to a situation is the right one.

I also think Daniel's comment to Jack in The Shroud is not so much to do with whether Jack does trust Daniel or not, but Daniel's own insecurity and guilt about the times when he himself has perceived he did not justify Jack's trust in him.

[Madeleine]

I think someone in the official episode thread expressed really well in one line what I tried to say with about twelve: :o
that she had hoped that the team would need to engage more in a 'battle for Daniel's soul'

[Pitry]

I think someone in the official episode thread expressed really well in one line what I tried to say with about twelve: :o
that she had hoped that the team would need to engage more in a 'battle for Daniel's soul'

And to quote our favourite Jaffa, indeed. (well, except for die hard Bra'tac fan, I assume ;))
They tend to have their two parters divided into a character-based and then action-based part. A shame that didn't happen here, because I was hoping the Shroud would be a character-based episode...ah, well, can't have 'em all. ;)

[poundpuppy29]

I can't wait for Bounty. On a side note I finished season 7 so now I have watched all of SG-1 that can be seen ATM. I am no longer a newbie I have seen it all and my brain in a little fried now lol. I really hope there is some truth to the rumor that Daniel might be in the third series even though MS shot it down. I love my baby I don't want to lose him. I know they have plans for movies but that would be once a year after the first 2 I need Daniel more than that.

[JessM]

I'm going to agree with all of you :D

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The Jack/Daniel scenes were played more for the banter than any meaningful discussion of trust. The initial scene between them is probably the best for this when Daniel brings up Ba'al and Jack reminds him that just because he knows stuff about them and their relationship doesn't mean he's actually Daniel. Teal'c/Daniel is really more a standard interrogation scene with Teal'c pressing Daniel on the weak points of his story and finding reasonable responses in reply...plus presumably doing the whole Jaffa I-can-see-to-the-truth-of-your-soul thing which is why I think Jack sends him in - although this isn't played up in the scene as much as I thought it would be. Sam, although leading the initial interrogations, only really questions his intent at the end when he is pretending to Adria he did it for her...although there really isn't another opportunity for her to demonstrate her disbelief/mistrust.

I also think the issue of whether to trust him or not is quickly overshadowed by the issue of whether to kill him or not presented by Woolsey in the middle of the episode which while likely to happen means the team is automatically put in the corner of trusting Daniel because they don't like Woolsey or his suggestion to kill Daniel.

I have to admit my only moment of doubt was when Daniel had Woolsey hostage but as he beams Jack up any doubt I had went away...and I didn't have any during the whole Adria scene at the end.

It's a shame - it's still a great episode - it just needed more time for the story to be told.

I have a bad headache right now so I'm probably not thinking clearly - but I had a question about the stuff in bold anyway... please bear with me :o

When you say Sam questions Daniel's intent in the end and when he is pretending to Adria he did it for her. By "her" are you talking about Sam or Adria? Sorry, not usually this clueless, just not thinking as clearly as usual now, lol

I agree though, it seemed that the issue of whether or not to kill him as presented by Woolsey overshadowed the trust issue. It's a shame they didn't make this a two-parter, or in the least, 90 min. long like they did with Threads.

[JessM]

I can't wait for Bounty. On a side note I finished season 7 so now I have watched all of SG-1 that can be seen ATM. I am no longer a newbie I have seen it all and my brain in a little fried now lol. I really hope there is some truth to the rumor that Daniel might be in the third series even though MS shot it down. I love my baby I don't want to lose him. I know they have plans for movies but that would be once a year after the first 2 I need Daniel more than that.

I like your sig banner, poundpuppy :D Those baby blues are magic aren't they? ;)

LOL, congrats on finishing the series! Sadly I read a quote from MS' publicist on his fan site that it is a rumor and is totally unfounded. *sigh* Oh well! We'll see what the movies have in store for us. :)

[Callista]

When you say Sam questions Daniel's intent in the end and when he is pretending to Adria he did it for her. By "her" are you talking about Sam or Adria? Sorry, not usually this clueless, just not thinking as clearly as usual now, lol

Shroud:
Daniel starts acting like he did everything for Adria and Sam says "Daniel, what are you doing?" and looks a little worried that he is evil after all.

[poundpuppy29]

Thanks Jess I didn't make it though I just found it and snagged it.
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[JessM]

Shroud:
Daniel starts acting like he did everything for Adria and Sam says "Daniel, what are you doing?" and looks a little worried that he is evil after all.

Thanks for the explanation Callista :) Wasn't feeling well last night and not thinking too clearly lol

[Kales]

Hey Jess, hope you're feeling well today...

Just popped into say that I was rewatching some S1 eps and was reminded of how much I love Sam/Daniel scenes ...

kay x

[JessM]

Hi Kales, thanks, I'm not doing too bad. :) My moods have been up and down as I'm dealing with PMS/PMT now :mckay: but thanks for asking :daniel:

Aww... yeah some of the S1 eps were what drove me to that side, as it were. I absolutely loved Singularity.

[Kales]

Hi Kales, thanks, I'm not doing too bad. :) My moods have been up and down as I'm dealing with PMS/PMT now :mckay: but thanks for asking :daniel:

Aww... yeah some of the S1 eps were what drove me to that side, as it were. I absolutely loved Singularity.


Ugh, I feel your pain. I can't feel the exact pain, but if it helps I'm posting this at 0237 GMT because my stomach is doing crampy/flip flop things from an infection I'm getting over and hunger pains, because I can keep burnt toast down and that's it.... *hugs*

Oh MS did such a good job in Singularity - he and AT have such natural chemistry. And that is such a good ep - I loved in the elevator bit at the end, it's (spoilers for singularity)

Daniel who's watching the numbers and notices that Sam is heading back down to Cassie, the look on his face when he realises and tells Jack is perfect. Tiny little moment but it was good enough line delivery that I remember it now, so that says something...

And when Sam says - "I have to do this," Daniel - "You don't have to do it alone" ... I was a Sam/Daniel 'shipper early on hehe.


kay x

[JessM]

Ugh, I feel your pain. I can't feel the exact pain, but if it helps I'm posting this at 0237 GMT because my stomach is doing crampy/flip flop things from an infection I'm getting over and hunger pains, because I can keep burnt toast down and that's it.... *hugs*

Awww... *hugs* to you too. :( Those things are the worst. I hope you start feeling better soon! I haven't been getting much sleep myself - sleeplessness is one of my PMS/PMT symptoms. Can drive me insane when I get it. Thinking of taking off from work early so I can go home and take a nap or something. :S


Oh MS did such a good job in Singularity - he and AT have such natural chemistry. And that is such a good ep - I loved in the elevator bit at the end, it's (spoilers for singularity)

Daniel who's watching the numbers and notices that Sam is heading back down to Cassie, the look on his face when he realises and tells Jack is perfect. Tiny little moment but it was good enough line delivery that I remember it now, so that says something...

And when Sam says - "I have to do this," Daniel - "You don't have to do it alone" ... I was a Sam/Daniel 'shipper early on hehe.


kay x

I agree! I also like how he sort of punches Teal'c at the end of that scene. It's as if he's so relieved that she and Cassie are all right. :)

And I loved the final scene in the park where they were swinging Cassie between them. I thought they looked like a cute family or something :D

"You don't have to do it alone" - yep that was the line that did it for me. ;)

[Kales]

Awww... *hugs* to you too. :( Those things are the worst. I hope you start feeling better soon! I haven't been getting much sleep myself - sleeplessness is one of my PMS/PMT symptoms. Can drive me insane when I get it. Thinking of taking off from work early so I can go home and take a nap or something. :S



I agree! I also like how he sort of punches Teal'c at the end of that scene. It's as if he's so relieved that she and Cassie are all right. :)

And I loved the final scene in the park where they were swinging Cassie between them. I thought they looked like a cute family or something :D

"You don't have to do it alone" - yep that was the line that did it for me. ;)


Hehe I'm rewatching loads of earlies because I got a friend into Stargate a few days ago and he's starting at the beginning :D so obv. I have to rewatch too. He's doing marathons instead of sleep- he's on season 2 already :cool:

Bounty/Daniel

Loved the rejection scene soooo much - Daniel was totally oblivious haha, and she had to get so unsubtle and he just looked amused. Nice little character beat - also nice that when a vaguely pretty girl propositions him, he isn't all flustered and stammery like he was in the beginning - nice little indication of him getting more assured and confident over the years.

I.e. He knows how pretty he is now :D


Hehe, thanks Jess. Ugh I spent this morning throwing up. I've never had this delicate a stomach in my life and don't think there's much sleep again tonight...

kay x

[Maj_Cliffhanger]

Popping out of lurker mode here - I have to say I am really looking forward to 'Bounty' more after hearing about the spoilers than I ever was before! - darn SciFi and their screwy schedule. POUT!


Hehe I'm rewatching loads of earlies because I got a friend into Stargate a few days ago and he's starting at the beginning :D so obv. I have to rewatch too. He's doing marathons instead of sleep- he's on season 2 already :cool:

Hahahaha!!! Sounds like loads of fun - yep! Stargate is addictive!



Bounty/Daniel

Loved the rejection scene soooo much - Daniel was totally oblivious haha, and she had to get so unsubtle and he just looked amused. Nice little character beat - also nice that when a vaguely pretty girl propositions him, he isn't all flustered and stammery like he was in the beginning - nice little indication of him getting more assured and confident over the years.

I.e. He knows how pretty he is now :D


It really does nake sense, even if I haven't seen the episode or anything - I mean, look at how Vala has been in his face with the sexual innuendo for the past two years! At first, in PU and later in Avalon pt one and two - he was startled by it and would give her a sharp look or even a glare. (I love the look he gives back to Teal'c in Avalon(I think ?) when she says 'I haven't been this disappointed since Daniel and I had sex!'

So, yeah, I'm sure he's more aware of his own appeal, but he's also used to having to deal with someone who is less than subtle. LOL! Or am I - having not seen the episode in question - totally off base here, you think?


Hehe, thanks Jess. Ugh I spent this morning throwing up. I've never had this delicate a stomach in my life and don't think there's much sleep again tonight...

kay x

I am so sorry to hear this Kales. I hope you're feeling better soon. Be careful not to get dehydrated!

[JessM]

Hey that's cool you're getting a friend into Stargate :D It's always fun to do that. I've never done it myself... well, maybe sort of. A guy I knew kept saying he only liked Battlestar Galactica but I told him to give Stargate a try. He did and he said "Oh this is actually pretty good." Well, I tried - though I don't talk to him anymore, lol

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Haven't watched the whole thing yet but I did read the transcript and see pics. LOL that was priceless. I think he was a bit startled in the beginning but I like how he blew her off... and then of course gets hers later with that bus incident ;)

One thing that disappointed me (probably see this coming a mile away, lol) was that there was little/no interaction between Daniel Sam and Teal'c. Even just something to say "I'm glad you're okay" after each of them had been targetted like that. But I guess they just didn't have time in the episode for it. Oh well, I suppose that's what we have fanfiction for. :)

Awww :( I hope you get better soon! I myself have a very delicate stomach and sometimes have trouble with antibiotics. Had a bad allergic reaction to one for a sinus infection quite a few years back ... couldn't stop throwing up and then had breathing problems :sam43: Definitely not fun at all. Here are more hugs for you :) ((((((kay)))))

[Kales]

Hey that's cool you're getting a friend into Stargate :D It's always fun to do that. I've never done it myself... well, maybe sort of. A guy I knew kept saying he only liked Battlestar Galactica but I told him to give Stargate a try. He did and he said "Oh this is actually pretty good." Well, I tried - though I don't talk to him anymore, lol

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Haven't watched the whole thing yet but I did read the transcript and see pics. LOL that was priceless. I think he was a bit startled in the beginning but I like how he blew her off... and then of course gets hers later with that bus incident ;)

One thing that disappointed me (probably see this coming a mile away, lol) was that there was little/no interaction between Daniel Sam and Teal'c. Even just something to say "I'm glad you're okay" after each of them had been targetted like that. But I guess they just didn't have time in the episode for it. Oh well, I suppose that's what we have fanfiction for. :)

Awww :( I hope you get better soon! I myself have a very delicate stomach and sometimes have trouble with antibiotics. Had a bad allergic reaction to one for a sinus infection quite a few years back ... couldn't stop throwing up and then had breathing problems :sam43: Definitely not fun at all. Here are more hugs for you :) ((((((kay)))))

Yeah, ITA on the interaction point, Jess.
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But then again, there's never any real jeopardy in this ep anyway - I did a review over in the Fan Reviews section on the S10 forum and harped about his - you never feel anyone is danger. In fact they're all ridiculously calm and laid back about the fact that every bounty hunter in the galaxy is after them.

I agree - just a 'you're okay' or something to indicate there was actual danger, either that or some 'best bounty hunter in the galaxy and this is it? so scary' remarks or something to level out that gap between plot and vibe.

Oh Daniel's face when she gets hit by the bus is sooo funny. And the 'pesky kids' line :D


:D thanks guys... hehe i've discovered the cure for insomnia - endless pages of pottery fragments from the Iron Age... Goodnight, and thanks again,

kay x

[poundpuppy29]

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Daniel had a great line "you would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for us nosey kids" too funny as a scooby fan that was so cool. I thought it was interesting that Daniel brushed off that girl I have my own theory on that and it involves Vala surprise surprise I know;) :p

[MaeveBran]

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:D thanks guys... hehe i've discovered the cure for insomnia - endless pages of pottery fragments from the Iron Age... Goodnight, and thanks again,

kay x

Ooh what kind of pottery? and where from? (I'm a potter and interested in historic shapes)

Ok for the topic at hand, I haven't seen the Bounty as I live in the US and am trying to avoid the use of irregular methods of viewing the episodes.

But I love the character of Daniel and his acedemic enthusiasim and if some of that is returning I am all for it.=)