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BadOnion
April 26th, 2011, 02:32 AM
Since TJ was the most medically knowledgeable person on board and she was not a trained doctor, it seems like this is one area in which the society would have started off with a serious lack of knowledge. Given that, its a little surprising that they would have ended up having cured diseases which we or even the ancients could not cure.

knowles2
April 26th, 2011, 02:40 AM
I have not seen the episode.

But from what I have read, the disease was genetic. Given there small size of the gene pool, I can easily imagine that the civilisation focus its energy on genetic manipulation and removing and or repairing genetic flaws as and when they prop up. An given I am sure these people were pretty advance Mathmatics and engineering, way more advance than anything they could actually build, I could imagine many people focus there talents on developing one area where they were not quite as advance. An area where they could easily experiment and play around, Medicine.

I would not be surprise that by the time Destiny have launch than the Ancients have already removed many genetic diseases from there genome and simply did not upload this knowledge onto the Destiny databanks.

Trinary
April 26th, 2011, 02:52 AM
Is there a doctor within the Novusians colony on destiny?

knowles2
April 26th, 2011, 04:09 AM
For plot convenience, and the great drama that following TJ decline over the next 3 planned seasons, no there will not be a doctor amongst the survivors we picked up that knows the cure of by heart. Sadly we will never see those seasons written and filmed.

thekillman
April 26th, 2011, 04:17 AM
Since TJ was the most medically knowledgeable person on board and she was not a trained doctor, it seems like this is one area in which the society would have started off with a serious lack of knowledge

given she has the most valuable knowledge and the key to a continued future, i think Eli would have a Kino on her at all times.

morrismike
April 26th, 2011, 04:18 AM
Since TJ was the most medically knowledgeable person on board and she was not a trained doctor, it seems like this is one area in which the society would have started off with a serious lack of knowledge. Given that, its a little surprising that they would have ended up having cured diseases which we or even the ancients could not cure.
There is a very limited pool of people really smart enough to make medical advancement anyway. At the present, most of those people are in engineering, science, law and a few of them are in medical school. The Novus society will be teaching kids actual stuff instead of schools being a babysitting service. I'm not so sure starting from scratch would be such a bad thing as our existing "knowledge" is no doubt holding back a lot of needing advancements.

Trinary
April 26th, 2011, 04:19 AM
How the colony survive for 30 years to dealt with sickness and diseases without a doctor?

Any medical practitioners or nurses will do to understand symptoms and know where to look in the database to help finding a cure.

icsteffi
April 26th, 2011, 04:22 AM
For plot convenience, and the great drama that following TJ decline over the next 3 planned seasons, no there will not be a doctor amongst the survivors we picked that knows the cure of by heart. Sadly we will never see those seasons written and filmed.

Do you think those three seasons would have jumped ahead in time? She wouldn't show any symptoms for 5 years...so wonder if the writers would have skipped ahead/moved SGU time faster than our time.

Starsaber
April 26th, 2011, 04:49 AM
Do you think those three seasons would have jumped ahead in time? She wouldn't show any symptoms for 5 years...so wonder if the writers would have skipped ahead/moved SGU time faster than our time.

And worse case scenario, there are always the stasis pods.

knowles2
April 26th, 2011, 04:54 AM
Do you think those three seasons would have jumped ahead in time? She wouldn't show any symptoms for 5 years...so wonder if the writers would have skipped ahead/moved SGU time faster than our time.

For spoiler stake. My answer is in the tags.


I think there are many possibilities and roads the writers could go down. For instant something on Novas slowed down the disease for instant.
But we know they are also going to be using the status pods found by Rush, Brody, and Eli in the next 2 episodes, so it possible that they spends years in those chambers but the statis chambers does not slow down or prevent TJ disease from progressing.
But the writers would be stupid to ignore such a great story telling device.

jelgate
April 26th, 2011, 08:14 AM
How the colony survive for 30 years to dealt with sickness and diseases without a doctor?

Any medical practitioners or nurses will do to understand symptoms and know where to look in the database to help finding a cure.

The same way our ancestors did. Experimentation and observation. The present medical knowledge gave the Novians an advantage that say the ancient Greeks didn't have

Razor One
April 26th, 2011, 08:36 AM
Another advantage in favour of the Novans is that they didn't inherit certain superstitious beliefs that held back medical knowledge in the real world. They knew right off the bat that diseases were not caused by demons, magic or any other hocus pocus, nor would they have considered certain things such as basic hygiene to be unnecessary if one was of high status.

While new superstitions probably did grow to fill in the vacuum, the fact that they had written and visual records soon after they got established would have curtailed the loss of too much knowledge and would have spurred development.

spaceship
April 26th, 2011, 03:44 PM
Since TJ was the most medically knowledgeable person on board and she was not a trained doctor, it seems like this is one area in which the society would have started off with a serious lack of knowledge. Given that, its a little surprising that they would have ended up having cured diseases which we or even the ancients could not cure.

Yeah makes sense. Maybe she did an Eli and wrote a book or two before she got worse.


Another advantage in favour of the Novans is that they didn't inherit certain superstitious beliefs that held back medical knowledge in the real world. They knew right off the bat that diseases were not caused by demons, magic or any other hocus pocus, nor would they have considered certain things such as basic hygiene to be unnecessary if one was of high status.

While new superstitions probably did grow to fill in the vacuum, the fact that they had written and visual records soon after they got established would have curtailed the loss of too much knowledge and would have spurred development.

On the contrary they believed Rush was a demon who could suck the life out of them. Superstition was alive and kicking on Nova.

Ekras
April 26th, 2011, 05:54 PM
On the contrary they believed Rush was a demon who could suck the life out of them. Superstition was alive and kicking on Nova.

Wait..... he's not?

Nth Chevron
April 26th, 2011, 05:56 PM
Actually, i believe the words spoken were "The less enlightened amongst us believe he was a demon who could suck souls out of peoples bodies

I think this phrase was intended to show that, the story of Rush being a demon was used to frighten kids into doing their chores and homework, where as once you grew out of them, you begin to understand that Rush was a Destiny crew member whose actions placed concern on his rather dubious moral fibre, but definitely not anything magical :)

N.C

morrismike
April 26th, 2011, 06:27 PM
How the colony survive for 30 years to dealt with sickness and diseases without a doctor?

Any medical practitioners or nurses will do to understand symptoms and know where to look in the database to help finding a cure.
People did fine without doctors for years. Up until the mid 40s doctors probably cost more lives than they saved anyway. There are times I think this is still true. It was the availability of carbohydrates that allows for population booms.

garhkal
April 26th, 2011, 06:49 PM
Actually, i believe the words spoken were "The less enlightened amongst us believe he was a demon who could suck souls out of peoples bodies

I think this phrase was intended to show that, the story of Rush being a demon was used to frighten kids into doing their chores and homework, where as once you grew out of them, you begin to understand that Rush was a Destiny crew member whose actions placed concern on his rather dubious moral fibre, but definitely not anything magical :)

N.C

Using rush as a Boogyman!

Gollumpus
April 26th, 2011, 07:04 PM
On the contrary they believed Rush was a demon who could suck the life out of them. Superstition was alive and kicking on Nova.

Well that or a form of reverse hero worship.

regards,
G.

tinerin
April 26th, 2011, 07:22 PM
Given that, its a little surprising that they would have ended up having cured diseases which we or even the ancients could not cure.

What makes you think the ancients would have even had the same genetic diseases that we have?

Puddle-Jumper
April 26th, 2011, 08:04 PM
Funny I just posted about this in another thread before seeing this one.. I kinda had a problem with this in that TJ is an army medic and should not have been able to diagnose ALS, then again an army medic really shouldn't be able to do a lot of the things that she has been able to do since boarding Destiny.

Gollumpus
April 26th, 2011, 08:08 PM
Funny I just posted about this in another thread before seeing this one.. I kinda had a problem with this in that TJ is an army medic and should not have been able to diagnose ALS, then again an army medic really shouldn't be able to do a lot of the things that she has been able to do since boarding Destiny.

I believe she still had that scanner thing she was using on Destiny, and she was planning on becoming a doctor...

regards,
G.

tinerin
April 26th, 2011, 08:11 PM
Funny I just posted about this in another thread before seeing this one.. I kinda had a problem with this in that TJ is an army medic and should not have been able to diagnose ALS, then again an army medic really shouldn't be able to do a lot of the things that she has been able to do since boarding Destiny.

It's possible that a family member had been previously diagnosed with ALS or maybe a genetic test taken before she went to Destiny had shown a high risk for developing ALS.

Razor One
April 27th, 2011, 12:42 AM
On the contrary they believed Rush was a demon who could suck the life out of them. Superstition was alive and kicking on Nova.

Bolding the relevant portion.


While new superstitions probably did grow to fill in the vacuum, the fact that they had written and visual records soon after they got established would have curtailed the loss of too much knowledge and would have spurred development.

I never said they didn't have superstitions, just that they didn't inherit ours specifically to the medical field, such as #5 on This List (http://www.cracked.com/article_18501_7-incredible-scientific-innovations-held-back-by-petty-feuds.html).

That being said I love how Rush was demonised by one side and deified by the other. It speaks to how the fandom views him at times and it shows how minor disputes can be blown out of all proportion given time.

Nth Chevron
April 27th, 2011, 05:54 AM
We never heard about T.J's mother, her father she told us about in 'Faith' - nothing of her mother, did her mother have ALS and die as a result?

N.C

Meshakhad
April 27th, 2011, 12:29 PM
There is probably a cure in the Ancient database, but the Ancients didn't call it ALS or Lou Gehrig's. That's why Eli can't find it.

The Novans would have started off deficient in medicine, but they had 2000 years and the general knowledge of everyone on board. Knowledge of the germ theory and DNA alone gives them an amazing advantage.

Incidentally, I imagine that the Novans had their own name for it: TJ's Disease.

Shylodog
April 27th, 2011, 12:58 PM
We never heard about T.J's mother, her father she told us about in 'Faith' - nothing of her mother, did her mother have ALS and die as a result?

N.C

In the cut scenes in Hunt, what was her father supposed to have died from? He was bedridden at home, right?

Ser Scot A Ellison
April 27th, 2011, 01:09 PM
PJ,


Funny I just posted about this in another thread before seeing this one.. I kinda had a problem with this in that TJ is an army medic and should not have been able to diagnose ALS, then again an army medic really shouldn't be able to do a lot of the things that she has been able to do since boarding Destiny.

She's getting ready to go to med school. She's obviously better than a mere paramedic.

Shylodog
April 27th, 2011, 01:34 PM
PJ,



She's getting ready to go to med school. She's obviously better than a mere paramedic.

I work at a med school. You should see some of the kids that get past the selection process. One sometimes wonders why they have a selection process. Of course, once they're found out, they certainly don't graduate.

Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble
April 27th, 2011, 02:06 PM
You know they had 2000 years to come up with one.

Ser Scot A Ellison
April 27th, 2011, 02:09 PM
Shylodog,


I work at a med school. You should see some of the kids that get past the selection process. One sometimes wonders why they have a selection process. Of course, once they're found out, they certainly don't graduate.

She's in the Stargate program I imagine the training for a Paramedic for an SG Team is a bit more involved than those for a simple medic. Further, she's interested in medicine. She could have been learning on her own as best she could.

Blistna
April 27th, 2011, 02:58 PM
Since TJ was the most medically knowledgeable person on board and she was not a trained doctor, it seems like this is one area in which the society would have started off with a serious lack of knowledge. Given that, its a little surprising that they would have ended up having cured diseases which we or even the ancients could not cure.

The ancients could have a cure for it, we just don't know it yet. And look what humans have done on Earth with 2000+ years starting from scratch. They didn't start from scratch. And when one of your "founding fathers" (or mother in her case) died of a desease (and I am sure every one in their society at some point watched this video) you generally would want to find a cure for that said desease.

So it's not surprising at all.

garhkal
April 27th, 2011, 05:31 PM
She's in the Stargate program I imagine the training for a Paramedic for an SG Team is a bit more involved than those for a simple medic. Further, she's interested in medicine. She could have been learning on her own as best she could.

That is true, nothing is saying she wasn';t learning on the side.. or taking courses when off duty. Heck she was trying to go back to school.. so whats to say that was not med school and she was trying to get ahead of the game?

Shylodog
April 27th, 2011, 10:23 PM
Shylodog,

She's in the Stargate program I imagine the training for a Paramedic for an SG Team is a bit more involved than those for a simple medic. Further, she's interested in medicine. She could have been learning on her own as best she could.

Generally no, there would be little difference in the training she received as a field medic (or Corpsman as they are called in the Navy and Marine Corps). She is NOT a doctor, but she is several steps up from a nurse as well. BUT, her prior/ongoing training and studying to become a doctor would probably have helped her in getting the billet.

Now, when I said I work at a med school (in case my post was misunderstood) we don't train medics or paramedics or nurses. We are a full post-graduate collage where we train and produce some of the most qualified doctors in the US. Just wanted to be clear for my previous post.

Nth Chevron
April 28th, 2011, 04:34 AM
In the cut scenes in Hunt, what was her father supposed to have died from? He was bedridden at home, right?

No from what i remember they were talking about T.J and her Father hiking for miles, her dad teaching her how to sow because he used to a tailor.

I dont remember anything about bedridden, and there was definitely NO mention of her Mother.

N.C

Ser Scot A Ellison
April 28th, 2011, 06:19 AM
Shylo,


Generally no, there would be little difference in the training she received as a field medic (or Corpsman as they are called in the Navy and Marine Corps). She is NOT a doctor, but she is several steps up from a nurse as well. BUT, her prior/ongoing training and studying to become a doctor would probably have helped her in getting the billet.

Now, when I said I work at a med school (in case my post was misunderstood) we don't train medics or paramedics or nurses. We are a full post-graduate collage where we train and produce some of the most qualified doctors in the US. Just wanted to be clear for my previous post.

Just an FYI. My mother's an RN just short of her Nurse practioner's license. She's quite good at diagnosis.

garhkal
April 28th, 2011, 07:32 PM
And i am good buds with several HMs in the navy.. 1 is real good with diagnosing issues..

pleed
May 2nd, 2011, 06:18 PM
Since TJ was the most medically knowledgeable person on board and she was not a trained doctor, it seems like this is one area in which the society would have started off with a serious lack of knowledge. Given that, its a little surprising that they would have ended up having cured diseases which we or even the ancients could not cure.

They were not saying that the Ancient's couldn't cure it, but saying that finding it would be very difficult. The symptoms probably match heaps of diseases, and all the naming/terminology is different.

garhkal
May 3rd, 2011, 07:12 PM
Which makes me wonder would they even have called the Symptoms the same?