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GateWorld
September 18th, 2009, 01:27 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 321</FONT>
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With Peter unconscious and a freak lightning storm plaguing the Northeast, Olivia teams up with Sam Weiss in the hopes of fixing the machine before it tears the universe apart.

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MattSilver 3k
April 29th, 2011, 10:58 PM
FRINGE YOU TEASING LITTLE-!

Dammit I love this show. Awesome episode.

DigiFluid
April 29th, 2011, 11:16 PM
Not as good as last week but still excellent. Loved it!

I'm as excited for next week as I am dreading it. Season finale! I don't want to have to wait months for new Fringe! :S

MattSilver 3k
April 29th, 2011, 11:18 PM
Hey man, at least we're getting a new season in the first place. There's always that. That'll make the wait worth it.

DigiFluid
April 29th, 2011, 11:31 PM
Absolutely, so thank goodness for that!

I can't wait to see where things go after the conclusion of tonight's episode :eek: I wonder how much it has to do with the timing of the machine's activation not being right.

Sp!der
April 30th, 2011, 06:05 AM
Yes. Very good episode, indeedy. I really like this Sam Weiss character, and I hope we are gonna see more of him in the future.. hehe.... future. I loved this episode! I think this three season final parter ( I guess you can call it that!) is much more awesome than season two finale...

Ukko
April 30th, 2011, 11:04 AM
Absolutely, so thank goodness for that!

I can't wait to see where things go after the conclusion of tonight's episode :eek: I wonder how much it has to do with the timing of the machine's activation not being right.
Great episode:D
Perhaps 2021 is when it was meant to be activated.

Still want to know more of the first people!!

Commander Zelix
April 30th, 2011, 11:53 AM
For some reason, I didn't like this episode very much compared to other Fringe episodes. A lot of plots were not interesting and led to nowhere all while the dialogue felt a bit forced during the whole episode. That's my personal opinion.

While the episode was called Sam Weiss. The character seems to be a different character than in previous episodes. The acting was not the best either (but I understand the actor confusion about his character). We used to respect him for his knowledge and his wisdom (and mystery surrounding him). In that episode, he was almost the comic relief. The hunt for the artifact storyline was pretty bare. Al thought the bowling in the museum scene was funny (even if he didn't have to say that he's own a bowling allay. Olivia and we know).

Same thing for Peter. The Peter amnesia storyline led to nowhere. He arrived in New York then is catch up by the Fringe colleges. There was no meat or action in that storyline.

But I did love the ending and what it promise for next season.

I think in they should have concentrated on only one storyline in this episode (the episode plot) and grow from there. For example the Peter rehabilitation storyline or the Oliva hunt for artifact with Weiss storyline. And I would have hope Weiss has still more knowledge and wisdom to give.

Still it's Fringe, I had fun. 7/10 (enjoyable nothing special)

jmoz
April 30th, 2011, 12:39 PM
Yeah, I was hoping something more interesting with Sam, have him be something more than someone who had an ancestor that discovered something. But who knows, maybe there's something more to him. He does seem unusually perceptive.

But I did enjoy this episode. Bit too much build-up involved though. The lightning thing was good stuff. Waiting for the observers to show up, they can't miss this. They might have been there though. I don't know, did anyone see one pop up anywhere?

DigiFluid
April 30th, 2011, 02:07 PM
They might have been there though. I don't know, did anyone see one pop up anywhere?
He hasn't missed an episode yet! (http://fringepedia.net/wiki/Observer_Appearance)

LtColCarter
April 30th, 2011, 02:15 PM
Yet another excellent episode. I can't wait for next week's episode! :D

Ian-S
April 30th, 2011, 03:06 PM
So erm has Peter been transported to the future, or another alternative reality that's 10 years ahead of us?

oh so confused :lol:

the fifth man
April 30th, 2011, 05:34 PM
I personally thought this episode was excellent. So did my wife. One of the best of the season IMO. I can't wait for next weeks finale, especially knowing we have another season to look forward to.

DigiFluid
April 30th, 2011, 05:43 PM
So erm has Peter been transported to the future, or another alternative reality that's 10 years ahead of us?

oh so confused :lol:
Seems to be just the future.

We know it's not Over There, because of the plaque memorial to 9/11. And the show-runners have said recently that they have no plans to involve a third universe. So it looks to be the future!

Unless it ends up being a bit of a cheat and the machine is just showing Peter a vision, or something like that.

KEK
April 30th, 2011, 06:02 PM
I bet season 4 will be about stopping a possible invasion from the other side.

the fifth man
April 30th, 2011, 06:36 PM
I bet season 4 will be about stopping a possible invasion from the other side.

We should know more after the season finale next week.

DigiFluid
April 30th, 2011, 08:10 PM
We should know more after the season finale next week.
Really? We'll know more after seeing another episode? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say :p

Stormtrooper
May 1st, 2011, 04:30 AM
The writers should be careful or the show will end up all over the place. Oh, wait! ;)

Homer 120
May 1st, 2011, 07:22 AM
LOVED this ep! Epic ending! Methinks we'll see a future style opening title sequence next week :D

Ian-S
May 1st, 2011, 11:47 AM
Seems to be just the future.

We know it's not Over There, because of the plaque memorial to 9/11. And the show-runners have said recently that they have no plans to involve a third universe. So it looks to be the future!

Unless it ends up being a bit of a cheat and the machine is just showing Peter a vision, or something like that.

Ah ha, yes of course the clue could have been all the flashbacks before he properly got into the machine, perhaps the machine was showing the flashbacks to him, and we got to see it from his perspective etc. and now it's showing him a vision, or possible version, of the future.

When he got there, the Army guy who pushed him out the way, knew who he was, I think he called him Doctor Bishop didn't he? (time for a third rewatch I think).

Was my mind playing tricks on me or have we seen the guy who was driving the car in the lightening storm at the beginning before?

starg8fans
May 1st, 2011, 01:14 PM
Got to watch last week's and this week's ep back to back. Man, what a ride!


While the episode was called Sam Weiss. The character seems to be a different character than in previous episodes. The acting was not the best either (but I understand the actor confusion about his character). We used to respect him for his knowledge and his wisdom (and mystery surrounding him). In that episode, he was almost the comic relief. The hunt for the artifact storyline was pretty bare. Al thought the bowling in the museum scene was funny (even if he didn't have to say that he's own a bowling allay. Olivia and we know).

IMO he still had plenty of wisdom to share about the machine and his family history, and it was not surprising to me that he's acting differently. Sam said himself that things are not happening the way he had expected them to, so he's a bit out of his depth here.


Same thing for Peter. The Peter amnesia storyline led to nowhere. He arrived in New York then is catch up by the Fringe colleges. There was no meat or action in that storyline.

Well, when Peter asked to see his father the Secretary, I had an OMG moment. Since the machine reacts to Peter's mind set, that would have meant it would work in the Other Side's favor. Actually, that is my biggest complaint about the amnesia storyline, that Peter just switched back out of the blue.


Seems to be just the future.

We know it's not Over There, because of the plaque memorial to 9/11. And the show-runners have said recently that they have no plans to involve a third universe. So it looks to be the future!

9/11 also happened Over There, it's just that other targets were hit.


Unless it ends up being a bit of a cheat and the machine is just showing Peter a vision, or something like that.

I hope it is a vision, because it looks pretty apocalyptic, and if this is the future it's already determined and there's really no way around it. My guess is that this is one possible outcome, and Peter will have to figure out what he has to change in the present for it not to happen.


Ah ha, yes of course the clue could have been all the flashbacks before he properly got into the machine, perhaps the machine was showing the flashbacks to him, and we got to see it from his perspective etc. and now it's showing him a vision, or possible version, of the future.

When he got there, the Army guy who pushed him out the way, knew who he was, I think he called him Doctor Bishop didn't he? (time for a third rewatch I think).

He called him Agent Bishop. And the soldier was from Fringe division. So if this the future of our universe, it seems they formed an official Fringe division at some point and Peter joined it. If this is what will happen Over There, Peter must have returned to his native universe, and became part of that Fringe team.

DigiFluid
May 1st, 2011, 02:37 PM
When he got there, the Army guy who pushed him out the way, knew who he was, I think he called him Doctor Bishop didn't he? (time for a third rewatch I think).
I had to recheck this myself, but no, the Fringe Division guy called him Agent Bishop.


9/11 also happened Over There, it's just that other targets were hit.
I don't believe that was ever said; IMO the implication has been that they didn't happen Over There. Proof to the contrary?

starg8fans
May 1st, 2011, 04:09 PM
I don't believe that was ever said; IMO the implication has been that they didn't happen Over There. Proof to the contrary?

The first time it was mentioned was in the newspaper in William Bell's office when Olivia met him the first time. They said that the Obamas had just moved into the 'new White House' after the original one had been destroyed in the 9/11 attacks. It's mentioned again in the episode Jacksonville when the discover the two-in-one guy:

WALTER: (to Pratchet) I'm sorry about this, but it is very important. On September the eleventh, when the terrorists struck, which buildings did they attack?
TED PRATCHET: The Pentagon.
WALTER: Uh-huh. And...
TED PRATCHET: (dying words) The White House.

DigiFluid
May 2nd, 2011, 03:09 AM
Right you are! Good reminders, I'd totally forgotten about those!

However--Peter was in Manhattan at the end of this episode. There'd be no reason for a 9/11 memorial plaque at Ground Zero while he was looking up at the currently-planned Freedom Tower if he were Over There. As you've so ably proved, the WTC wasn't a target of attack in Over There's 9/11 attacks.

starg8fans
May 2nd, 2011, 04:30 AM
Right you are! Good reminders, I'd totally forgotten about those!

However--Peter was in Manhattan at the end of this episode. There'd be no reason for a 9/11 memorial plaque at Ground Zero while he was looking up at the currently-planned Freedom Tower if he were Over There. As you've so ably proved, the WTC wasn't a target of attack in Over There's 9/11 attacks.

I don't know Manhattan that well, so I wouldn't know where that tower was standing. Could have been built anywhere to commemorate the attack, it doesn't have to be Ground Zero.

The main reason why I think Peter is Over There was the Fringe Division logo on the soldier's arm. Even if they started an official Fringe Division in our universe, don't you think they would have picked a different logo, given that the other group is more or less the enemy?

Of course this could be the result of something quite a few people believe might happen, namely a merging of both universes. If that's the case, I must say I'm glad to see that it went spectacularly wrong, and I hope they'll reverse it. Such a reality would be a mix of everything, so we get Astrid as an empathic autist? And Lincoln as a nerdy bad@ss? And don't even get me started on Walter. It would make no sense at all.

DigiFluid
May 2nd, 2011, 04:36 AM
It was most definitely the as-yet unconstructed Freedom Tower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_World_Trade_Center) that Peter was looking up at.

As to why a future Fringe Division agency's logo Over Here would look the same--well, why wouldn't it? Everything else on both sides looks identical or very nearly.

starg8fans
May 2nd, 2011, 08:52 AM
It was most definitely the as-yet unconstructed Freedom Tower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_World_Trade_Center) that Peter was looking up at.

I'm not American so I wasn't even aware of that project. In any case, we'll find out later this week where Peter ended up.


As to why a future Fringe Division agency's logo Over Here would look the same--well, why wouldn't it? Everything else on both sides looks identical or very nearly.

But this is one of the major differences - there is no Fringe Division in our universe (and no FBI Over There), it would have to be formed between our time and the future we've seen at the end of the last ep, probably due to what's been happening after the machine turned on. I doubt they'd use the logo of their adversaries, they would surely create their own - if only to avoid confusion should the other side find a way to invade our universe.

tomstone
May 2nd, 2011, 03:13 PM
I'm not American so I wasn't even aware of that project. In any case, we'll find out later this week where Peter ended up.



But this is one of the major differences - there is no Fringe Division in our universe (and no FBI Over There), it would have to be formed between our time and the future we've seen at the end of the last ep, probably due to what's been happening after the machine turned on. I doubt they'd use the logo of their adversaries, they would surely create their own - if only to avoid confusion should the other side find a way to invade our universe.

This kind of reminds me of one Episode from the last Season of Sliders. Some mad Scientist wanted to merge 2 Dimensions to make a home for him and they stated that People could simply be replaced and not mixed.

So the percentage of People making it to the new Universe would be 50/50, that could explain why there are People fighting like that in the middle of NY, but a Tower appeared that was in neither Universe. It cant be so hard to create a Fringe Division and give it the Logo he already had in his mind if he merged the Universes.

Cant wait to see the next Ep!

the fifth man
May 2nd, 2011, 04:23 PM
This season finale is going to definitely be a game changer.

LtColCarter
May 2nd, 2011, 04:46 PM
I concur

Ian-S
May 3rd, 2011, 06:38 PM
I do too.

Peter is not an Agent in present time is he? he's still just a consultant?

starg8fans
May 4th, 2011, 12:03 AM
I do too.

Peter is not an Agent in present time is he? he's still just a consultant?

No he isn't, and yes he is. ;)

Two more days - this week seems endless.

LtColCarter
May 4th, 2011, 03:47 AM
It was most definitely the as-yet unconstructed Freedom Tower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_World_Trade_Center) that Peter was looking up at.

As to why a future Fringe Division agency's logo Over Here would look the same--well, why wouldn't it? Everything else on both sides looks identical or very nearly.

Maybe we should say the "currently under construction" Freedom Tower. ;)

DigiFluid
May 4th, 2011, 03:41 PM
Maybe we should say the "currently under construction" Freedom Tower. ;)

Yep. I didn't realize that till recently; had a look at Google Earth yesterday. I can't believe how much of it was built already! When I was there in 2003 and 2005 it was still just a hole in the ground!

LtColCarter
May 4th, 2011, 07:35 PM
Yep. I didn't realize that till recently; had a look at Google Earth yesterday. I can't believe how much of it was built already! When I was there in 2003 and 2005 it was still just a hole in the ground!

According to the website about the tower...its supposed to be complete in 2013.

tomstone
May 5th, 2011, 11:33 AM
According to the website about the tower...its supposed to be complete in 2013.

Really? Cool! Last thing I heard about the Tower was when it was suspended for a peroid of time till all the Paperwork was worked through.

I cant wait for the Finale! I read one spoiler and that one just made me way more confused. 1 Day to Go!