Now I'm really mad

[k1037]

I went through all of the stages of grief - including anger - after SGU's cancellation was announced, but after watching this episode... wow.

While the first season (especially the first half) was less-than-amazing, the current (awesome) dynamics on the ship would not have been possible without that build-up.

Young's "including you and me?" line wouldn't have packed nearly as much of a punch if it weren't for the build-up. Nor would Greer immediately volunteering to stay with Rush and Young, Rush telling Chloe everyone on the ship is useful/meant to be there (and Chloe truly becoming useful), or any of the other emotional scenes and moments we've had in Season 2.

Even those who prefer an episodic format can't have much to complain about at this point. Twin Destinies was a classic Stargate episode, one of those instant favorites. Not perfect, but it had comedy throughout, awe (coming up on the broken Destiny = epic), several swooshes (gating inside a star, gating leading to time travel, gating to a copy of your own ship to salvage parts, arms held inside gates while team members sprint towards it to a backdrop of explosions), and still had moments of tension and that darker/more mature "feel" that SGU fans love.

This "something for everyone" format is what we could have enjoyed for another three years if more fans (and executives) had been patient. Season 1 was necessary build-up for the awesomeness that we have now. I know the internet forum tendency is to blame "ADD," but I actually have clinically-diagnosed ADHD and it held my attention just fine. So I don't know what's up with folks being impatient nowadays. All I know is that I'm really mad.

[blueray]

after watching that episode i'm too mad at syfy for cancelling it. that was one of the first episodes that i insteatly loved and hope to be able to rewatch (if its hulu).

[Replicator Todd]

Yeah the high quality of Twin Destiny's and last weeks episode has made me all the more upset at SGU's cancellation.

And yes it was definitely classic Stargate, most of season two is IMO! I'm loving it!

[Egle01]

After seeing the ratings, it's really no surprise that Syfy canned it. What the heck is wrong with Americans that 2 million of them can't watch this fantastic show live? [/rant]

Okay, I'm done. Still loving SGU, and damn sad it's coming to an end so soon.

[carmencatalina]

Young's "including you and me?" line wouldn't have packed nearly as much of a punch if it weren't for the build-up.

That, for me, really was an important moment. The look on Rush's face was so . . . it meant something to him, Young saying that. And they really had to go through a lot to get to where they are now.

You are right - last night's episode is really making the cancellation sting. Let's hope they give us 8 more great episodes, and we can really be left miserable!

[General Jumper One]

*Riots on the street!*

[Egle01]

*Riots on the street!**busts a window*

'Cause I'm mad.

[Atlantean2005]

I could go into my usual rant that Syfy had it out for SGU by moving it to a horrible time slot.. but i'm gonna be good. But I agree with EVERYTHING said here. Twin Destinies just goes to show how much POTENTIAL SGU has.. or rather had. And on the subject of "establishment" Even though it wasn't on Sci-Fi/Syfy at the time, didn't it take SG-1 a bit to get going? I really wish that somehow the mistake of cancellation would be rectified and we would be able to see more magnificence that is SGU and Destiny.

Okay... shutting up now..

[The Destiny]

I looked at some of the previews and rumours ( yes, I'm one of those people ) and I could just squeel with excitement after every spoiler.

SGU appears to have a paradoxal awesomeness-ratings relation. The more awesome an episode becomes, the lower the ratings go.. First half of season one was something like.. 1.7 average? Then after the mid-season hiatus ( which for me actually did some good for the atmosphere because it seemed like Rush had been left behind ages ago, and I am a sucker for the feeling of scale in terms of time, age, distance etc.. ) the ratings immediately went down a notch, to about 1.4, while it was just getting more exciting ( space battle, gaterace in 'lost', lucian alliance incursion ). Start of season 2: Bam, ratings down to roughky 1.1 We discover the bridge, the mission, aliens, seedship, the whole Simeon thing, space battles, then we start the second half of season 2 with even more space battle goodness and the character development pays off and whadaya know? Ratings down o 1.0- 0.9

I just had to rant.. I feel better now.


Bloody paradoxes..

[Replicator Todd]

I don't really blame SyFy for the end of SGU, as much as I would like too(I sure blame them for SG1's abrupt end though). Really there wasn't enough people watching(live that is). It doesn't help to have people who doomed the show from the start too. :(

*gets mad*

I don't want SGU to end...

[blackluster]

I went through all of the stages of grief - including anger - after SGU's cancellation was announced, but after watching this episode... wow.

Sounds like you need a unicorn bro ...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/blacklusterseph004/AngryUnicorn.png

[dacooker]

After seeing the ratings, it's really no surprise that Syfy canned it. What the heck is wrong with Americans that 2 million of them can't watch this fantastic show live? [/rant]

Okay, I'm done. Still loving SGU, and damn sad it's coming to an end so soon.

Simple, Syfy failed at marketing it to them.

[Stargater276]

I don't really blame SyFy for the end of SGU, as much as I would like too(I sure blame them for SG1's abrupt end though).


I've been thinking that if it wasn't for SG1's cancellation in the tenth season, perhaps all of this would have never happened like it did. We may have even have had a Atlantis season six, and SGU season three. :(

[Replicator Todd]

I've been thinking that if it wasn't for SG1's cancellation in the tenth season, perhaps all of this would have never happened like it did. We may have even have had a Atlantis season six, and SGU season three. :(

Perhaps! :( I will always be sadden by the fact we never got a eleventh and even a twelfth season of SG1. A season 6 and 7 of SGA. A season 3 of SGU. It might be ridiculous but maybe SG1's cancellation has a negative effect of the Stargate franchise on SyFy, dooming SGA and SGU? I dunno, the period between SGA ending and SGU starting may of allowed time for people to forget about Stargate as a whole or something.

Crazy theories I know.

[GateroomGuard]

Well there is still hope, extremely small, remote, and in all probability will never happen hope, but still there is hope. Some other network might pick it up.

[Blistna]

I went through all of the stages of grief - including anger - after SGU's cancellation was announced, but after watching this episode... wow.

While the first season (especially the first half) was less-than-amazing, the current (awesome) dynamics on the ship would not have been possible without that build-up.

Young's "including you and me?" line wouldn't have packed nearly as much of a punch if it weren't for the build-up. Nor would Greer immediately volunteering to stay with Rush and Young, Rush telling Chloe everyone on the ship is useful/meant to be there (and Chloe truly becoming useful), or any of the other emotional scenes and moments we've had in Season 2.

Even those who prefer an episodic format can't have much to complain about at this point. Twin Destinies was a classic Stargate episode, one of those instant favorites. Not perfect, but it had comedy throughout, awe (coming up on the broken Destiny = epic), several swooshes (gating inside a star, gating leading to time travel, gating to a copy of your own ship to salvage parts, arms held inside gates while team members sprint towards it to a backdrop of explosions), and still had moments of tension and that darker/more mature "feel" that SGU fans love.

This "something for everyone" format is what we could have enjoyed for another three years if more fans (and executives) had been patient. Season 1 was necessary build-up for the awesomeness that we have now. I know the internet forum tendency is to blame "ADD," but I actually have clinically-diagnosed ADHD and it held my attention just fine. So I don't know what's up with folks being impatient nowadays. All I know is that I'm really mad.

My favorite part was when Rush said it would have more weight if Young stood up there with Rush, and he did. And when Greer went straight up and volunteered to be with Rush and Young, that was amazing. And it would have meant nothing to me if I didn't see the relationship with Rush and Greer and Rush and Young. This is the type of TV i have wished to see for a long time.


I could go into my usual rant that Syfy had it out for SGU by moving it to a horrible time slot.. but i'm gonna be good. But I agree with EVERYTHING said here. Twin Destinies just goes to show how much POTENTIAL SGU has.. or rather had. And on the subject of "establishment" Even though it wasn't on Sci-Fi/Syfy at the time, didn't it take SG-1 a bit to get going? I really wish that somehow the mistake of cancellation would be rectified and we would be able to see more magnificence that is SGU and Destiny.

Okay... shutting up now..

I just hope the movies happen and are good. SGU would make a good series of DVD movies.

[eidos]

If my heart wasn't breaking so much after this episode, I'd be posting more... :( Im okay, I just need a little more time...

[SupremeLegate]

I went through all of the stages of grief - including anger - after SGU's cancellation was announced, but after watching this episode... wow.

While the first season (especially the first half) was less-than-amazing, the current (awesome) dynamics on the ship would not have been possible without that build-up.

Young's "including you and me?" line wouldn't have packed nearly as much of a punch if it weren't for the build-up. Nor would Greer immediately volunteering to stay with Rush and Young, Rush telling Chloe everyone on the ship is useful/meant to be there (and Chloe truly becoming useful), or any of the other emotional scenes and moments we've had in Season 2.

Even those who prefer an episodic format can't have much to complain about at this point. Twin Destinies was a classic Stargate episode, one of those instant favorites. Not perfect, but it had comedy throughout, awe (coming up on the broken Destiny = epic), several swooshes (gating inside a star, gating leading to time travel, gating to a copy of your own ship to salvage parts, arms held inside gates while team members sprint towards it to a backdrop of explosions), and still had moments of tension and that darker/more mature "feel" that SGU fans love.

This "something for everyone" format is what we could have enjoyed for another three years if more fans (and executives) had been patient. Season 1 was necessary build-up for the awesomeness that we have now. I know the internet forum tendency is to blame "ADD," but I actually have clinically-diagnosed ADHD and it held my attention just fine. So I don't know what's up with folks being impatient nowadays. All I know is that I'm really mad.

I completely agree with all of this. It seems like all that "people" want are for people to be immediately awesome. "They" don't consider that the reason something is awesome is because of build up, of what came before. Though I do find it funny when "people" comment how something was unrealistic because the character did not act according to their preconceptions.

As for the ADD/ADHD thing, that's do to a misunderstanding of the condition.

[The Swarm]

If my heart wasn't breaking so much after this episode, I'd be posting more... :( Im okay, I just need a little more time...

Same here..im haveing a hard time thinking what to say.

[Perelandra]

I'm sorry I can't talke about the "C" word right now-I'm in total denial.
In my Universe there's a season three.

[carmencatalina]

In my Universe there's a season three.

Can I move there?

[Egle01]

Can I move there?I'm coming with.

[carmencatalina]

I'm coming with.

Not a problem - I'm sure there is room, right Perelandra? We will bring supplies, if you like. Food, wine, beer, champagne, whatever you need.

[Egle01]

Not a problem - I'm sure there is room, right Perelandra? We will bring supplies, if you like. Food, wine, beer, champagne, whatever you need.Some basic hygiene products and I'll be fine.

[myhelix]

Can I move there?

book a room for three. ;)
After seeing how awesome the last episodes look I am really pissed about the whole cancellation thing, even more than at the beginning. :( We can still dream about a few movies, right?

[Atlantean2005]

Can I come? I'm a fairly decent cook.. and I can bake? And we're gonna be living on Destiny, right? lol

[Egle01]

Looks like we'll get our minimum of 10 or 12 volunteers in no time. :P

[Atlantean2005]

Looks like we'll get our minimum of 10 or 12 volunteers in no time. :P

No doubt! :lol: Someones gonna have to come up with some kind of duty roster... anybody on here know any medical training? we're gonna need a medic. And what other specialties are we gonna need?

[Sp!der]

yes.. In my dream there is a season 3 as well.. -.-

[Egle01]

No doubt! :lol: Someones gonna have to come up with some kind of duty roster... anybody on here know any medical training? we're gonna need a medic. And what other specialties are we gonna need?I'll be like Chloe! Fish out of water with no really useful skills. But maybe without the alien pathogen.

[myhelix]

Can I come? I'm a fairly decent cook.. and I can bake? And we're gonna be living on Destiny, right? lol

People who can cook are always welcome in my universe, and than we can all weep together for SGU with a big bottle of some alcoholic something.

[myhelix]

yes.. In my dream there is a season 3 as well.. -.-

In my dream ten Seasons! ;) :D

[Sp!der]

In my dream ten Seasons! ;) :D

ten seasons...
and a spin-off only dedicated to RUSH....!!!

[blackluster]

Sounds like you guys will be renting a cabin on the 'Faith' planet...

[Dregun]

What I seemed to love about the show so many others seemed to hate. I liked that they created these characters who had such conflicting personalities. I liked that at some point you realized you had the complete misconception of who someone really was because all you saw was what was on the surface. I liked the fact that the first half of the first season had them trying to get certain aspects of the ship working/fixed (air scrubber, water, food etc etc).

I liked all of that because it allowed me as a viewer to not only connect with the crew but the ship as well. It has shown that both the crew and ship are incredibly resilient and when push comes to shove "earth" isn't as important as that ship is. We learn things about the ship at the same pace the crew does..slowly. It keeps it a mystery and allows for a real sense of emergency when something does go wrong.

STNG had a ship that wasn't very special, granted it was the pride of the fleet but nothing about it wasn't something most engineers and the like had to deal with before. When something didn't work it wasn't a question of "how do we fix it" but more of "who can fix it".

I just don't think a lot of the viewers who tuned out of the show really understood what they were watching. If everything about Destiny was made to be "easy" and the characters didn't struggle with what they were going through the only thing left to watch for is substandard plots tied together by mindless action sequences. I want to be challenged when I watch a scifi show, once I feel I'm smarter then the writers I lose interest.

[Atlantean2005]

Sounds like you guys will be renting a cabin on the 'Faith' planet...

Nah, we've found a way to access one of the Alternate Timeline Destinies from "Time" where everyone died... now we just need to clean out the bodies... Um.. guess we need to add Undertaker/Mortician to the list of jobs!


What I seemed to love about the show so many others seemed to hate. I liked that they created these characters who had such conflicting personalities. I liked that at some point you realized you had the complete misconception of who someone really was because all you saw was what was on the surface. I liked the fact that the first half of the first season had them trying to get certain aspects of the ship working/fixed (air scrubber, water, food etc etc).

I liked all of that because it allowed me as a viewer to not only connect with the crew but the ship as well. It has shown that both the crew and ship are incredibly resilient and when push comes to shove "earth" isn't as important as that ship is. We learn things about the ship at the same pace the crew does..slowly. It keeps it a mystery and allows for a real sense of emergency when something does go wrong.

STNG had a ship that wasn't very special, granted it was the pride of the fleet but nothing about it wasn't something most engineers and the like had to deal with before. When something didn't work it wasn't a question of "how do we fix it" but more of "who can fix it".

I just don't think a lot of the viewers who tuned out of the show really understood what they were watching. If everything about Destiny was made to be "easy" and the characters didn't struggle with what they were going through the only thing left to watch for is substandard plots tied together by mindless action sequences. I want to be challenged when I watch a scifi show, once I feel I'm smarter then the writers I lose interest.

Very well said. And oh so very true! :D

[Cairistiona]

No doubt! :lol: Someones gonna have to come up with some kind of duty roster... anybody on here know any medical training? we're gonna need a medic. And what other specialties are we gonna need?

*raises hand*

I've studied agriculture, maybe I can grow something better-tasting than their 'tomatos' :)

[Atlantean2005]

*raises hand*

I've studied agriculture, maybe I can grow something better-tasting than their 'tomatos' :)

Awesome!! So we've got Cook (me) and Hydroponics covered. Oh, but we ALL get to take turns sitting in the big chair :lol:


BTW, Cairistiona, I REALLY love your sig. I saw it a while back in another thread and wanted to comment on it but.. it kinda slipped my mind! :lol:

[Cairistiona]

Awesome!! So we've got Cook (me) and Hydroponics covered. Oh, but we ALL get to take turns sitting in the big chair :lol:


BTW, Cairistiona, I REALLY love your sig. I saw it a while back in another thread and wanted to comment on it but.. it kinda slipped my mind! :lol:

Thanks! :)

[General Jumper One]

"I'm going to go mad, and I'm taking you with me" - Vala Mal Doran - "Unending"

[Atlantean2005]

"I'm going to go mad, and I'm taking you with me" - Vala Mal Doran - "Unending"

HAHA! I *LOVED* that line! :lol:

[garhkal]

after watching that episode i'm too mad at syfy for cancelling it. that was one of the first episodes that i insteatly loved and hope to be able to rewatch (if its hulu).

It is.. i watched it around 2 hrs ago)..


That, for me, really was an important moment. The look on Rush's face was so . . . it meant something to him, Young saying that. And they really had to go through a lot to get to where they are now.

Looks like they both are really meaning the "Do this together", that they promised each other in greater good.


My favorite part was when Rush said it would have more weight if Young stood up there with Rush, and he did. And when Greer went straight up and volunteered to be with Rush and Young, that was amazing. And it would have meant nothing to me if I didn't see the relationship with Rush and Greer and Rush and Young. This is the type of TV i have wished to see for a long time.

The only reason i felt greer stayed is cause he still doesn't trust Rush.. and felt someone needed to be there to keep him in check. Heck to me the telling part was when brody went up but not volkar..

[KlaxxonBlue]

I have to say.. This episode was more like the Stargate I know.

Sad, it took a whole 1.5 seasons to get here.

Klaxxon

[xxxevilgrinxxx]

What I seemed to love about the show so many others seemed to hate. I liked that they created these characters who had such conflicting personalities. I liked that at some point you realized you had the complete misconception of who someone really was because all you saw was what was on the surface. I liked the fact that the first half of the first season had them trying to get certain aspects of the ship working/fixed (air scrubber, water, food etc etc).

I liked all of that because it allowed me as a viewer to not only connect with the crew but the ship as well. It has shown that both the crew and ship are incredibly resilient and when push comes to shove "earth" isn't as important as that ship is. We learn things about the ship at the same pace the crew does..slowly. It keeps it a mystery and allows for a real sense of emergency when something does go wrong.

STNG had a ship that wasn't very special, granted it was the pride of the fleet but nothing about it wasn't something most engineers and the like had to deal with before. When something didn't work it wasn't a question of "how do we fix it" but more of "who can fix it".

I just don't think a lot of the viewers who tuned out of the show really understood what they were watching. If everything about Destiny was made to be "easy" and the characters didn't struggle with what they were going through the only thing left to watch for is substandard plots tied together by mindless action sequences. I want to be challenged when I watch a scifi show, once I feel I'm smarter then the writers I lose interest.

really well said, those are the things I liked as well
a shame I can't green you!

[Artemis-Neith]

Looks like we'll get our minimum of 10 or 12 volunteers in no time. :P

+1.

Don't know, whether I have any interesting abilities, I can cook (as long as no animals are includet), and I know to make tools out of stones (well, don't think, it's something important ;), doubt that, tbh)


really well said, those are the things I liked as well
a shame I can't green you!

I'm with you here. Done!:D

[GateroomGuard]

No doubt! :lol: Someones gonna have to come up with some kind of duty roster... anybody on here know any medical training? we're gonna need a medic. And what other specialties are we gonna need?

Put me in one of those ancient space suits and give me an assault rifle and I'll have your supercommando position filled. I also can provide your dry comic relief position. And I am willing to provide your heroic sacrifice quota so long as I also get the resurrected next season position. :P

[Phenom]

I know I can't expect gold like this ep every week, but man after watching most of Season 2 I just get more upset when I think of the tripe they dished out in the first half of Season 1. It really did seem like a marathon runner misjudging when to make the break and coming up short.

TPTB really only have themselves to blame unfortunately.

[SupremeLegate]

"I'm going to go mad, and I'm taking you with me" - Vala Mal Doran - "Unending"

Love that line. Course I am already mad.

[eidos]

Same here..im haveing a hard time thinking what to say.

Happy to know we’re on the same page, thank you… It bothers me that SGU was not given more time. Shakespeare wrote some unlikeable characters (Julius Caesar), yet everyone respects Shakespeare. I think that Brad Wright and Co. gave us “human” characters to whom we can relate. Scott was raised as a Christian. Greer thought that nothing compared to “going out” into God’s most powerful creation, a star. Young struggled with the consequences of an affair. Rush lost the love of his life, his wife. Destiny lost track of time on its journey to find mankind’s most important discovery. Our characters must find peace of mind before they are worthy of finding Destiny’s final mission. Hence my previous allusion to the place of a “philosopher-king” on Destiny. When flawed characters discover courage, wisdom, moderation and justice within themselves, they become worthy of the mission. The moment one questions one’s upbringing/foundation a new chapter to one’s life begins. I see this as an opportunity for the “philosopher-king” to emerge and to lead..

[Perelandra]

Not a problem - I'm sure there is room, right Perelandra? We will bring supplies, if you like. Food, wine, beer, champagne, whatever you need.

You betcha- there's plenty of room, you and Egle and anyone else who wants to come, can come !

[Perelandra]

Can I come? I'm a fairly decent cook.. and I can bake? And we're gonna be living on Destiny, right? lol

Right !
Your all invited!

[Phenom]

Happy to know we’re on the same page, thank you… It bothers me that SGU was not given more time. Shakespeare wrote some unlikeable characters (Julius Caesar), yet everyone respects Shakespeare. I think that Brad Wright and Co. gave us “human” characters to whom we can relate. Scott was raised as a Christian. Greer thought that nothing compared to “going out” into God’s most powerful creation, a star. Young struggled with the consequences of an affair. Rush lost the love of his life, his wife. Destiny lost track of time on its journey to find mankind’s most important discovery. Our characters must find peace of mind before they are worthy of finding Destiny’s final mission. Hence my previous allusion to the place of a “philosopher-king” on Destiny. When flawed characters discover courage, wisdom, moderation and justice within themselves, they become worthy of the mission. The moment one questions one’s upbringing/foundation a new chapter to one’s life begins. I see this as an opportunity for the “philosopher-king” to emerge and to lead..

You didn't just compare Brad Wright to Shakespeare?

[Laxian of Earth]

I have to say.. This episode was more like the Stargate I know.

Sad, it took a whole 1.5 seasons to get here.

Klaxxon

right you are (some episodes in first season were not that bad, (say 5 or so - rest? boring rubish IMHO)


I know I can't expect gold like this ep every week, but man after watching most of Season 2 I just get more upset when I think of the tripe they dished out in the first half of Season 1. It really did seem like a marathon runner misjudging when to make the break and coming up short.

TPTB really only have themselves to blame unfortunately.

yeah, right :) - first season was a load of dung mostly (even worse then SG-1 season one and no one can tell me season one of SG-1 was good (yes, it had some nice episodes, but on the whole it was not good))

well about "being mad" - well i am mad that they "destroyed" SGA for this trash and now that they have done that (unforgivable IMHO) they trash this, too, just when it starts getting better, sorry but the bosses of Scifi (will never call it by that "new" and silly looking name they coined) should get what is coming to them (scifi should go bankrupt, with them being blamed and maybe incarcerated for it)

so yeah, i am pretty mad, see :(

greetings the unhappy LAX

[Macpye]

What I seemed to love about the show so many others seemed to hate. I liked that they created these characters who had such conflicting personalities. I liked that at some point you realized you had the complete misconception of who someone really was because all you saw was what was on the surface. I liked the fact that the first half of the first season had them trying to get certain aspects of the ship working/fixed (air scrubber, water, food etc etc).

I liked all of that because it allowed me as a viewer to not only connect with the crew but the ship as well. It has shown that both the crew and ship are incredibly resilient and when push comes to shove "earth" isn't as important as that ship is. We learn things about the ship at the same pace the crew does..slowly. It keeps it a mystery and allows for a real sense of emergency when something does go wrong.

STNG had a ship that wasn't very special, granted it was the pride of the fleet but nothing about it wasn't something most engineers and the like had to deal with before. When something didn't work it wasn't a question of "how do we fix it" but more of "who can fix it".

I just don't think a lot of the viewers who tuned out of the show really understood what they were watching. If everything about Destiny was made to be "easy" and the characters didn't struggle with what they were going through the only thing left to watch for is substandard plots tied together by mindless action sequences. I want to be challenged when I watch a scifi show, once I feel I'm smarter then the writers I lose interest.

AMEN to that.

What I like about the show is that as a viewer, you've got to work as hard as the crew to keep up. It's intelligent and demanding. The characters interact as any group of randomly thrown together bunch of people would. It's real people we can relate to with human reactions, only put into not so average situations.

This episode as just amazingly clever and cleaned up all threads it left for itself. You can't have two of the same people; no two Telfords, no two Rushes (although that was FUN), and sure enough, that paradox got solved.

[Smooth]

I'm down for the technician role. Hydraulics/pneumatics, mechanical, electrical - I can fix anything. Plus, I've got a bit of a dark side.

Peace out real world. My denial and I are taking a one-way ticket to fantasyville.