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March 13th, 2011, 01:39 PM
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General Jumper One
April 25th, 2011, 05:51 PM
really loved this episode! really nice scenes and visual effects

morbosfist
April 25th, 2011, 05:54 PM
This was a fun episode. They mess with your head, dangle hope then yank it away, act like they're going to kill a guy... Good times all around.

Orion Antreas
April 25th, 2011, 05:55 PM
I wasn't going to post to these forums again, but I have to say that was the most beautiful, and awesome ending to an episode in all of the Stargate franchise. My humble opinion of course. It is such a shame this show is going to end and the Stargate franchise in general. My favorite episode of SGU.

Carl Binder has redeemed himself, in my eyes.

themeatcleaver
April 25th, 2011, 05:56 PM
I wasn't going to post to these forums again, but I have to say that was the most beautiful, and awesome ending to an episode in all of the Stargate franchise. My humble opinion of course. It is such a shame this show is going to end and the Stargate franchise in general. My favorite episode of SGU.

agree entirely. i really hope some executive or in general rich guy is watching somewhere and feels the same way! the evolution of the city over 2000 years was just gorgeous!

Greenfire32
April 25th, 2011, 05:56 PM
It's episodes like this one that make you go "why?"

Why is the ride over? This is so good!

That being said, I think this episode should have been the end of the Franchise. Not only does it have this feeling of completness, but it leaves you knowing that we survived. Against all odds, we survived. And we kept alive not only ourselves, but the hope that one day we may return home to Milky way--to re-establish ourselves.

I really like this episode!

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 25th, 2011, 05:58 PM
i got to admit this episode made me teary-eyed.

jelgate
April 25th, 2011, 05:58 PM
It's episodes like this one that make you go "why?"

Why is the ride over? This is so good!

Lack of viewers:P

SG-17
April 25th, 2011, 06:00 PM
It was a very moving episode. I loved the ending scene so much. We can only hope that the generational ships aren't found by the drones.

Starsaber
April 25th, 2011, 06:00 PM
Styrofoam air filters?

Awesome episode, but that kind of came out of left field. I figured they'd have to put the colonists in stasis.

sgc
April 25th, 2011, 06:03 PM
These episodes make you remember how great the franchise is, and the story of Destiny in general. I'd hate to see that it's the end, but nothing's ever definite, and nothing is ever permanent. I disagree that the ride's over, or that Destiny's story won't be told, or that the franchise is over. Anyways, back to this episode (pretending that it's just another episode):

The story is very interesting. The way the story was told was certainly a great addition. The very hard work that was obviously put into the set most definitely paid off, as the culmination of sets from Destiny, Atlantis, and the SGC/Icarus definitely demonstrated how the architecture would develop if they were to progress 2000 years. I hope they got raises for that set. The special effects were great as well, and I'll make mention specifically to the ship at the end. Nice little inside joke, and a great work of art. All of the special effects, however, were stellar, including the magma, shuttle, city, and Destiny. All around great episode, and a great addition to the story.

morrismike
April 25th, 2011, 06:03 PM
A very solid episode. Too bad they didn't start out that way.

Spidey3121
April 25th, 2011, 06:03 PM
Fantastic episode... this is Stargate, and science fiction, at it's finest.

s09119
April 25th, 2011, 06:06 PM
A very solid episode. Too bad they didn't start out that way.

But they did.

General Jumper One
April 25th, 2011, 06:06 PM
It was a very moving episode. I loved the ending scene so much. We can only hope that the generational ships aren't found by the drones.

yeah, I really hope the drones didn't get them and if they haven't that they don't

Pharaoh Atem
April 25th, 2011, 06:07 PM
But they did.

indeed since air

Starsaber
April 25th, 2011, 06:09 PM
A very solid episode. Too bad they didn't start out that way.

I should probably rewatch Season 1.0. At the time, it felt like too much of a change from SGA and SG-1. It might seem better now that I'm used to the new style.

Vanek26
April 25th, 2011, 06:09 PM
I loved Brody's flashbacks.

Grumpy old guy ftw.

Pharaoh Atem
April 25th, 2011, 06:10 PM
I loved Brody's flashbacks.

Grumpy old guy ftw.

i was about to bring that up i loved it :D

General Jumper One
April 25th, 2011, 06:10 PM
indeed since air

:indeed:

Pharaoh Atem
April 25th, 2011, 06:11 PM
damn kids on tearing up my yard.

sgc
April 25th, 2011, 06:14 PM
I'm kind of waiting to see who created the drones. Perhaps the people of Novus have something to do with it.. I'm NOT saying they intentionally or even unintentionally created them, but that they may have had something to do with it, and erased it from their history.. Maybe a rogue group? Or maybe they woke the drones up? IDK. Just wondering..

morrismike
April 25th, 2011, 06:14 PM
But they did.
right

morrismike
April 25th, 2011, 06:16 PM
Brody will never hear the end of it. Volker telling Rush they did fine without him was classic SG, Jack couldn't have done it any better.

Zatnikitelman
April 25th, 2011, 06:31 PM
That was undeniably one of the best episodes of Stargate Universe and possibly the Stargate Franchise. But I think I've said that (if not on here) about most of season 2 of SGU...
I think the Writers did this episode as a sort of throwback to SG-1's Unending. The characters were able to continue going forward without having the influence of knowing what became of them. But this time, they know what happened.

m626
April 25th, 2011, 06:42 PM
Nice episode.

I had a strange feeling: with Eli's luck with women, the writers will find a way to kill off Barnes in one of the next two episodes.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 25th, 2011, 07:03 PM
did they ever find any weapons on Novus?

Shan Bruce Lee
April 25th, 2011, 07:03 PM
I loved the way they portrayed the idea of being on the frontier. Then they threw in a line about making tools quickly which instantly reminded me of people asking about that after last week's episode. It shows how much thought they've put into this.

I was a little shocked that they killed off Varro, until they didn't. It was kinda cool that Young went back to save him. It felt like the final step in Varro going from an enemy that tried to take over the ship to a part of the team.

When Chloe said something to Young about this being their home I thought this would make a pretty good ending for the series if it had been written as one. Having them found a civilization on the other side of the galaxy was a brilliant storyline reminiscent of the Ancients starting new life in new galaxies.

Pharaoh Atem
April 25th, 2011, 07:04 PM
did they ever find any weapons on Novus?
i haven't heard the word weapon spoken at all

Wolf O'Donnell
April 25th, 2011, 07:04 PM
Great episode. They could have ended the series on this if they had to and I would call it the best ending of the three shows because it embodied whats beautiful about this show.

Greenfire32
April 25th, 2011, 07:04 PM
That was undeniably one of the best episodes of Stargate Universe and possibly the Stargate Franchise. But I think I've said that (if not on here) about most of season 2 of SGU...
I think the Writers did this episode as a sort of throwback to SG-1's Unending. The characters were able to continue going forward without having the influence of knowing what became of them. But this time, they know what happened.:indeed:

Vanek26
April 25th, 2011, 07:13 PM
Interesting Volker died first.

And Corporal Barnes?

Chloe: "Maybe you should pursue that?"

Dilithium
April 25th, 2011, 07:18 PM
i got to admit this episode made me teary-eyed.

Same here especially the scenes portraying a popular character sick or dying.

Destiny42
April 25th, 2011, 07:36 PM
This episode was incredible.

Knowing that SGU won't get a movie to finish the story, this episode actually brings a lot of closure. We get to see what might have been. I'm actually surprised we see so much, considering the writers didn't know the series was canceled when they wrote it.

Under the circumstances, this kind of is the finale of SGU. I won't spoil it for anyone, but the last line of the episode is actually very appropriate given the fate of the series. It really did bring some closure.

boyd22
April 25th, 2011, 07:37 PM
Gotta say this was probably one of the best episodes of stargate yet. I was never to crazy about SGU, not in the same way i was with SGA and SG1. But when the second half of this season started, that changed and after tonight's episode its really quite sad this show wont be back.

sholva1
April 25th, 2011, 07:46 PM
i enjoyed it

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 25th, 2011, 07:50 PM
so watching the city in its various stages reminded me of the BSG Series Finale.

dvdrts
April 25th, 2011, 08:01 PM
i got to admit this episode made me teary-eyed.

2nd

Pharaoh Atem
April 25th, 2011, 08:03 PM
so watching the city in its various stages reminded me of the BSG Series Finale.

i thought the same thing

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 25th, 2011, 08:03 PM
i agree when i say this could've made an excellent series finale but im still wondering about how gauntlet will end.

Jump237
April 25th, 2011, 08:09 PM
I laughed. I cried like a biatch when Young had to feed TJ (been there, done that).

It's really too bad that this show has been cut down in its prime...

Pharaoh Atem
April 25th, 2011, 08:10 PM
i agree when i say this could've made an excellent series finale but im still wondering about how gauntlet will end.

i've said in the past that i could live with destiny failing the mission and crash landing on a planet and the cast doing what happen in these two eps.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 25th, 2011, 08:19 PM
i've said in the past that i could live with destiny failing the mission and crash landing on a planet and the cast doing what happen in these two eps.

i think they can do without the whole blackhole destroying their Novus planet thing, maybe actually landing the destiny, uploading kino footage when they can.

Pharaoh Atem
April 25th, 2011, 08:21 PM
i think they can do without the whole blackhole destroying their Novus planet thing, maybe actually landing the destiny, uploading kino footage when they can.

mope i want a epic crash. there haven't been a epic crash landing since enterprise D

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 25th, 2011, 08:26 PM
mope i want a epic crash. there haven't been a epic crash landing since enterprise D

what about the crash of the shuttle in aftermath?

senilegreen
April 25th, 2011, 08:26 PM
SGA has on the whole good production, a cast of decent to very good actors, a fair mix of characters with which to build story lines... however, this episode demonstrates once again that SGA suffers from targeting mixed audiences and thus is unlikely to please enough people.

As has been so common throughout SGA, too much interpersonal dialogue and stories are projections of what is thought the young target audience expects and thus the adult characters too often come up a bit shallow.


Anyway, onto some specific thoughts of this episode:

"The tidal forces are ripping this planet apart" - well, if a black hole is so close to the planet that the differences in gravity from one side of the planet to the opposite are causing destruction of the crust/mantle of the planet, why is the planet still in orbit around its sun? It should have been flung into a weird path by now, something they could have easily detected while on board Destiny.

Regarding the last scene (in which, btw, it seemed appropriate that Wray would live the longest) - to think the third generation would have built that quaint little town that looks like a cross between a 20th century Swiss villa and an 18th century English estate is, well, silly. Pane glass windows, white paint - seriously? After 50 years of manual labor by around 100 or 200 people? So disconnected from reality.

Like SG-1's last episode, the time-traveled crew's survival story allows the characters' interactions to play out as one possibility. Some touching moments, and this episode probably could have served as the ending of the whole series. In some ways if the next 3 episodes never air I think s2e18 could serve as a capstone episode.

Unfortunately over the next 3 episodes I expect the stories to open up lots of unresolved issues and loose ends which, because of the cancellation, will never be solved.

Pharaoh Atem
April 25th, 2011, 08:29 PM
what about the crash of the shuttle in aftermath?

we hardly saw it.

KEK
April 25th, 2011, 08:29 PM
O.o

LeonK
April 25th, 2011, 08:32 PM
When Chloe said something to Young about this being their home I thought this would make a pretty good ending for the series if it had been written as one. Having them found a civilization on the other side of the galaxy was a brilliant storyline reminiscent of the Ancients starting new life in new galaxies.

Yeah it had the making of a good ending episode, perhaps we'll look back on sgu when it's all over and think of this episode as being more of a finale than the actual last episode?


I laughed. I cried like a biatch when Young had to feed TJ (been there, done that).


I knew I'd tear up as soon as I saw where they were going with it, and yeah, I cried like a baby at it. It was well done, really well done, imo.

..

could have done with a couple less flashbacks maybe, but overall, I really enjoyed that episode.

major davis
April 25th, 2011, 08:33 PM
I think this would have made a better series finale than gauntlet.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 25th, 2011, 08:35 PM
i think this episode was properly titled correctly cause an epilogue is defined as "a piece of writing at the end of a work of literature or drama, usually used to bring closure to the work. The writer or the person can deliver a speech, speaking directly to the reader, when bringing the piece to a close, or the narration may continue normally to a closing scene." and this is what we saw. we saw the destiny expedition settling down and starting a new life for themselves, creating a new civilization and we got to see the whole speech thing at the end with camile wray at the dedication of the Eli Wallace Elementary School.

Pharaoh Atem
April 25th, 2011, 08:36 PM
i think this episode was probably titled correctly.

maybe we should all stop watching :D a ending we're happy with

senilegreen
April 25th, 2011, 08:37 PM
I wrote my summary comments posted above while watching the episode. Now that I've read the comments here I see that many of us had similar thoughts - about how this episode really could serve as the finale.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 25th, 2011, 08:40 PM
I wrote my summary comments posted above while watching the episode. Now that I've read the comments here I see that many of us had similar thoughts - about how this episode really could serve as the finale.

i remember when SG-1 in season 8 they did the reckoning and threads story arc that could've served as a 3-part series finale cause i thought that was a perfect ending for them considering that they defeated the goa'uld and the replicators and the jaffa were finally free and the epilogue for that story would've been when jack, sam, daniel and teal'c decide to go fishing.

KEK
April 25th, 2011, 09:14 PM
I think this would have made a better series finale than gauntlet.

How can you tell?

DigiFluid
April 25th, 2011, 09:19 PM
Two little things that kind of bugged me:

There were repeated earthquakes on the planet while the 'away team' (including Park) were down there....and they never addressed that this is one of Park's big phobias (as we learned back in Darkness). That was a pretty big missed opportunity IMO.

The other thing was that TJ, who is a medic and not a doctor, was able to identify ALS just by a couple of symptoms? Um....how? Combat medics aren't exactly trained in genetic disorders/diseases, are they? I suspect this was to do with the TJ background subplot that got cut out of the previous episode, but without that background it seems a bit....unlikely here.

Icarus
April 25th, 2011, 09:20 PM
The bit at the start when the old leader guy says he ran around those corridors as a kid... how could that be when the previous episode he said that they (the settlers) had been cut off from the main planet for generations?

Greenfire32
April 25th, 2011, 09:21 PM
Regarding the last scene (in which, btw, it seemed appropriate that Wray would live the longest) - to think the third generation would have built that quaint little town that looks like a cross between a 20th century Swiss villa and an 18th century English estate is, well, silly. Pane glass windows, white paint - seriously? After 50 years of manual labor by around 100 or 200 people? So disconnected from reality.
But remember, these people had a head start. They didn't have to learn everything we did the hard way. They had advanced knowledge from the get go. I think it's entirely possible to have advanced so far in such short time.

The bit at the start when the old leader guy says he ran around those corridors as a kid... how could that be when the previous episode he said that they (the settlers) had been cut off from the main planet for generations?I believe it was 30 years. Not generations.

Pharaoh Atem
April 25th, 2011, 09:21 PM
The bit at the start when the old leader guy says he ran around those corridors as a kid... how could that be when the previous episode he said that they (the settlers) had been cut off from the main planet for generations?
30 years

DigiFluid
April 25th, 2011, 09:21 PM
The bit at the start when the old leader guy says he ran around those corridors as a kid... how could that be when the previous episode he said that they (the settlers) had been cut off from the main planet for generations?
Because they didn't say that, they said they'd been cut off for 30 years.

Replicator Todd
April 25th, 2011, 09:31 PM
I liked the episode, but I didn't find it as good as "Common Descent" maybe I need a rewatch. But I find this episode to be only okay. Very cool seeing how things turned out on Novus.

RJLCyberPunk
April 25th, 2011, 09:57 PM
I wasn't going to post to these forums again, but I have to say that was the most beautiful, and awesome ending to an episode in all of the Stargate franchise. My humble opinion of course. It is such a shame this show is going to end and the Stargate franchise in general. My favorite episode of SGU.

Carl Binder has redeemed himself, in my eyes.

Agree entirely, it was a very moving episode. Except with the franchise being at an end i that's what you meant, this chapter in the franchise however is sadly over. The ending was indeed magnificent.

MattSilver 3k
April 25th, 2011, 09:59 PM
Brilliant episode, very epilogue-y, appropriately sad in places and just as funny in others. A whole lot of ensemble fun, and it feels all the more bittersweet given that there's only two episodes left, so yeesh.

Pharaoh Atem
April 25th, 2011, 10:09 PM
'Epic-logue'

ns2
April 25th, 2011, 10:32 PM
'Epic-logue'

agreed

The_Asgard_live
April 25th, 2011, 10:52 PM
Likes...

The settlers advanced technologically the way I hoped/figured they would (located iron and what? right away) The writers didn't disappoint. Recording everything (like a culture born of scientists likely would), advanced medical knowledge, ships etc... good stuff.

Some pretty good humor. (elevator music was funny, get off my lawn was hackish)

Completely glossing over the relationship stuff in a SG1/SGA kind of way (which I consider a compliment).

Varro snagging TJ, the woman of his dreams only to be repaid by falling to his almost death. That sounds about right. Kudos for the realism from the writers, thats pretty much how relationships work. Except the part where her ex that still pines for her saves you. Little far fetched.

Dislikes...

Okay, so... Novan's city survives for 2,000 years intact. In the 36? hour window needed to download the database it falls apart? REALLY?! Ugh, its like Atlantis and the disappearing recovered ZPM/Hive ship of the week. They totally could have uploaded it then said its going to take years to get through it or something...

Novan society is based on a series of predictable and random genetic pairings? No multiple partners? No detailed planning? Wray doesn't even contribute? I don't think so...

On the one hand, I liked that they glossed over the dark/gritty emotional stuff... On the other hand, they opened the door to it. Its the point of SGU. Made it the big part of the show. So... everyone just pairs off and lives happily ever after (save for TJ, Brody). Don't deal with the problems of multiple pairings for breeding purposes? Don't explore the controversies/difficulties on Wray with regards to contributing to the gene pool? Magically there are now enough lesbians on the crew for her to have "dates" and be selective as to which is the most compatible, but chooses no one because she found her soul mate? Complete cop out.

Space Gate12
April 25th, 2011, 10:55 PM
I really liked the score in this episode. Especially towards the end.

mamasue9
April 25th, 2011, 11:01 PM
such a sad episode....I could only watch it once...

Shan Bruce Lee
April 25th, 2011, 11:10 PM
Yeah it had the making of a good ending episode, perhaps we'll look back on sgu when it's all over and think of this episode as being more of a finale than the actual last episode?



I knew I'd tear up as soon as I saw where they were going with it, and yeah, I cried like a baby at it. It was well done, really well done, imo.

..

could have done with a couple less flashbacks maybe, but overall, I really enjoyed that episode.

A lot of fans seem to be having that reaction (here and a few other boards/sites)


maybe we should all stop watching :D a ending we're happy with

Well I won't stop watching, but everything from here on - to me - will just be a sort of metaphor for life carrying on even when the story is over. Maybe more for the stargate universe than just for SGU.

Shan Bruce Lee
April 25th, 2011, 11:17 PM
Likes...

The settlers advanced technologically the way I hoped/figured they would (located iron and what? right away) The writers didn't disappoint. Recording everything (like a culture born of scientists likely would), advanced medical knowledge, ships etc... good stuff.

Some pretty good humor. (elevator music was funny, get off my lawn was hackish)

Completely glossing over the relationship stuff in a SG1/SGA kind of way (which I consider a compliment).

Varro snagging TJ, the woman of his dreams only to be repaid by falling to his almost death. That sounds about right. Kudos for the realism from the writers, thats pretty much how relationships work. Except the part where her ex that still pines for her saves you. Little far fetched.

Dislikes...

Okay, so... Novan's city survives for 2,000 years intact. In the 36? hour window needed to download the database it falls apart? REALLY?! Ugh, its like Atlantis and the disappearing recovered ZPM/Hive ship of the week. They totally could have uploaded it then said its going to take years to get through it or something...

Novan society is based on a series of predictable and random genetic pairings? No multiple partners? No detailed planning? Wray doesn't even contribute? I don't think so...

On the one hand, I liked that they glossed over the dark/gritty emotional stuff... On the other hand, they opened the door to it. Its the point of SGU. Made it the big part of the show. So... everyone just pairs off and lives happily ever after (save for TJ, Brody). Don't deal with the problems of multiple pairings for breeding purposes? Don't explore the controversies/difficulties on Wray with regards to contributing to the gene pool? Magically there are now enough lesbians on the crew for her to have "dates" and be selective as to which is the most compatible, but chooses no one because she found her soul mate? Complete cop out.

The planet didn't just fall apart in 36 hours. It had been at least 30 years since they lost contact with the planet. Plus the old man talked about running around the halls of the bunker since he was a kid, so they'd more than likely been preparing for, and finding a way to survive the catastrophe for a lot longer.

The_Asgard_live
April 25th, 2011, 11:26 PM
The planet didn't just fall apart in 36 hours. It had been at least 30 years since they lost contact with the planet. Plus the old man talked about running around the halls of the bunker since he was a kid, so they'd more than likely been preparing for, and finding a way to survive the catastrophe for a lot longer.

I didn't say planet, I said City. Their cities and all the retained knowledge survives for 2,000 years. At anytime in the last 2,000 years Destiny could have shown up and gotten whatever knowledge they had until that point, book form, kino form, whatever. However, Destiny shows up, needs only 36 hours? to "upload". And it is during that 36 hour window that the data and that part of the city finally becomes unavailable after sitting there god knows how long. Man, that is some bad luck. Silly bad luck.

ussrelativity
April 25th, 2011, 11:35 PM
The ending brought tears to my eyes.

I give it a full four-star rating.

Uncle Tobias
April 25th, 2011, 11:58 PM
Such a great episode, especially the ending, as others have said.

Corona
April 26th, 2011, 12:10 AM
At the end I saw Destiny fly into FTL.

Then they showed a Destiny look alike flying out of the city. The city was whole so it seems they left before the volcanos. Obviously a flashback.

I'll need to watch the end again. Did anyone else see this?

DigiFluid
April 26th, 2011, 12:12 AM
At the end I saw Destiny fly into FTL.

Then they showed a Destiny look alike flying out of the city. The city was whole so it seems they left before the volcanos. Obviously a flashback.

I'll need to watch the end again. Did anyone else see this?

Yes. We saw Destiny leave, then we saw when the locals left. What about it?

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 26th, 2011, 12:28 AM
I was listening to camile's speech at the end and i really thought about her words and i was wondering if they could be a meaning here in the real world. anybody got any theories?

Commander Zelix
April 26th, 2011, 12:29 AM
Great episode again this week. It's fun to finally have off world episodes like in the previous Stargate series. The crew's bickering can only get you going for so long with little or no episode plots.

The elevator music scene was really funny. TJ learning about her genetic disease was also very dramatic. It was fun to see the Destiny crew settling in on a planet and start a little society. Seeing how things turns out for those characters.

As people have said this episode would have made a great series ending (considering the circumstances).

Great scene at the end with Wray giving her school inauguration speech:
As we discovered, our mission is and always will be the journey itself.

8/10

Lahela
April 26th, 2011, 12:29 AM
Heartbreaking, beautiful, scary, funny, hopeful. Awesome.

escyos
April 26th, 2011, 12:29 AM
Does anyone else kind of want to colonise another planet now?

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 26th, 2011, 12:31 AM
Does anyone else kind of want to colonise another planet now?

makes ya wonder what kinda civilization we had if we didn't suffer the dark ages.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 26th, 2011, 12:32 AM
you know what really amazed me was that 80+ people could create a civilization like novus.

Commander Zelix
April 26th, 2011, 12:40 AM
Does anyone else kind of want to colonise another planet now?
Sure as long as you work a little bit on that boy/girl ratio and that I can bring my cell. ;)

Lahela
April 26th, 2011, 12:57 AM
Loved the fact that TJ's daughter is played by an actress whose surname is Johannesen :D

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 26th, 2011, 12:58 AM
Loved the fact that TJ's daughter is played by an actress whose surname is Johannesen :D

that's pretty cool.

DigiFluid
April 26th, 2011, 01:06 AM
you know what really amazed me was that 80+ people could create a civilization like novus.
Even more amazing: it was probably closer to 50.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 26th, 2011, 01:17 AM
Even more amazing: it was probably closer to 50.

just goes to show you, that we, Humans, can literally do anything we can if we work together towards a common goal.

DigiFluid
April 26th, 2011, 01:30 AM
just goes to show you, that we, Humans, can literally do anything we can if we work together towards a common goal.

WINcest!

escyos
April 26th, 2011, 01:42 AM
Sure as long as you work a little bit on that boy/girl ratio and that I can bring my cell. ;)

you want to bring a cell to a planet with no commuications network and no way to recharge the battery?

Commander Zelix
April 26th, 2011, 02:02 AM
you want to bring a cell to a planet with no commuications network and no way to recharge the battery?
It was meant as a joke obviously. I tried to wink it. :)

Pecisk
April 26th, 2011, 02:02 AM
I know that saying goodbye to SGU and all Stargate franchise will be heartbreaking expierence, but this is too much. Too much good stuff :)

It has very "we are Ancients now" feel and it echoes back to SG-1 and SGA series. If there is a proper way to say goodbye to franchise (at least in TV/Movie format for awhile), this is it.

traylormatt
April 26th, 2011, 02:26 AM
I agree with what pretty much everyone has said. I loved this episode. Re work the tiniest bits and it would have made a fantastic ending. If it had been the ending, I would have liked something to happen to Destiny so their mission can't continue, otherwise I just wanna keep knowing what is going on on destiny.

Tj parts were so sad, felt so bad for Young. Loved the look on Eli's face when he found out who he was hooking up with. Camile went on lots of dates since she has been there? Out of everyone, I wonder who she went on the dates with.

I liked how they did address making tools and building homes but didn't linger on it. There will be a lot of debate on what is realistic, but I liked that they addressed it.

I really did not like what Volker said to Rush at the end. Rush has seemed to be trying to help and getting better lately, then he goes and says something like that, but maybe it is just because im such a Rush fan but I just found it unnecessary. But maybe it was just because he saw he would have died etc and that shook him a little. Funny that he was the first to die yet said everyone was fine without him. I know rush would not have been able to help in that instance, but still.

gaguhan.galore
April 26th, 2011, 02:35 AM
1. volker didn't get to pass on his genes. epic fail.
1.5. wray and brody -apparently- also didn't get to pass on their genes, only external accomplishments. another epic fail.
2. greer and park certainly did more than enough to ensure the survival of humanity. epic win.
3. novus spaceships. two fates for em: a) blasted by drones into oblivion, or b) a plot device in a season 3 that could have been ("hello this is the destiny, we've just been screwed over by drones and we would liek to cannibalize what you have going there").
4. exabytes? really? the amount of currently available HD porn alone would likely take up a considerable bulk of the transfer. just a mental exercise...
5. in months to come this would likely be considered SGU's makeshift ending; the last two episodes would set up too many subplots that we'll never see resolved.
6. one of the subplots? the search for "new" novus or encountering other offworld remnants (should the novus ships be proven destroyed later)

knowles2
April 26th, 2011, 02:42 AM
I loved the episode. There not many times I say that about any episode from any TV programme. But this was put together perfectly.

I love the way we see all the crew partnering up. Seeing the city evolve and grow, see the school opening. Even the launch of the spaceship. Park and Geer did there duty.

Volker being the first one to die on the planet was sad and seeing the funeral. Loved seeing Young determination and drive to build a new home and despite all he as built and achieve he still went to his grave blaming himself for not getting them home.
It was sad seeing such proud and strong person such as TJ deterioration. It was funny seeing Brody moaning about the kids and his lawn. An I like Volker and Rush little conversation at the end. An I also like how Rush sole focus was on keeping the crew alive and breathing. It the one thing he has in common with Young, single minded focus on keeping the crew and the ship alive and intact above all else.

I am sad that we will not see season 3, I would especially love to see how Volker character was going going to evolve, especially when TJ starts to show symptoms of her disease. I could imagine him becoming singly mind and completely focus on finding a cure for her condition.

This would have been a good episode to end the show but I am happy we still go two more left.

spinny magee
April 26th, 2011, 02:45 AM
I had to LOL at Brody.

But Damn STFU syfy! The series is going to end with us knowing TJ is going to die because the series couldn't continue :(

Trinary
April 26th, 2011, 02:53 AM
It felt wrong when not even one Kino feed to show a Stargate and it's jaw dropping event horizon. Else, this episode is a near perfect if not great. The humanity story in it is a thumbs up.

morrismike
April 26th, 2011, 03:03 AM
Likes...

The settlers advanced technologically the way I hoped/figured they would (located iron and what? right away) The writers didn't disappoint. Recording everything (like a culture born of scientists likely would), advanced medical knowledge, ships etc... good stuff.

Some pretty good humor. (elevator music was funny, get off my lawn was hackish)

Completely glossing over the relationship stuff in a SG1/SGA kind of way (which I consider a compliment).

Varro snagging TJ, the woman of his dreams only to be repaid by falling to his almost death. That sounds about right. Kudos for the realism from the writers, thats pretty much how relationships work. Except the part where her ex that still pines for her saves you. Little far fetched.

Dislikes...

Okay, so... Novan's city survives for 2,000 years intact. In the 36? hour window needed to download the database it falls apart? REALLY?! Ugh, its like Atlantis and the disappearing recovered ZPM/Hive ship of the week. They totally could have uploaded it then said its going to take years to get through it or something...

Novan society is based on a series of predictable and random genetic pairings? No multiple partners? No detailed planning? Wray doesn't even contribute? I don't think so...

On the one hand, I liked that they glossed over the dark/gritty emotional stuff... On the other hand, they opened the door to it. Its the point of SGU. Made it the big part of the show. So... everyone just pairs off and lives happily ever after (save for TJ, Brody). Don't deal with the problems of multiple pairings for breeding purposes? Don't explore the controversies/difficulties on Wray with regards to contributing to the gene pool? Magically there are now enough lesbians on the crew for her to have "dates" and be selective as to which is the most compatible, but chooses no one because she found her soul mate? Complete cop out.

angry much? We've been waiting a long time for this level of writing and drama.

Multiple partners are not necessary if you avoid direct relations (2nd cousins or closer). If the first batch of kids have a lot of girls, they'll still be plenty of fellas around from the first batch. If they keep track of that sort of thing they can avoid marriages between people with any level of relation for at least 3 or 4 generations. In truth Wray is like 45 so she'd only have 1 and she may not be able to carry one anyway (after 10 months of malnutrition and being that close to a "change of life").

morrismike
April 26th, 2011, 03:08 AM
I agree with what pretty much everyone has said. I loved this episode. Re work the tiniest bits and it would have made a fantastic ending. If it had been the ending, I would have liked something to happen to Destiny so their mission can't continue, otherwise I just wanna keep knowing what is going on on destiny.

Tj parts were so sad, felt so bad for Young. Loved the look on Eli's face when he found out who he was hooking up with. Camile went on lots of dates since she has been there? Out of everyone, I wonder who she went on the dates with.

I liked how they did address making tools and building homes but didn't linger on it. There will be a lot of debate on what is realistic, but I liked that they addressed it.

I really did not like what Volker said to Rush at the end. Rush has seemed to be trying to help and getting better lately, then he goes and says something like that, but maybe it is just because im such a Rush fan but I just found it unnecessary. But maybe it was just because he saw he would have died etc and that shook him a little. Funny that he was the first to die yet said everyone was fine without him. I know rush would not have been able to help in that instance, but still.

Seriously they found Iron Ore within days of landing on Novas. Not a big stretch to manufacture coke and start making iron. I would focus on Bronze myself because Iron is a pain. They would have been casting axe heads, wedges, mauls, etc. within weeks.

senilegreen
April 26th, 2011, 03:09 AM
Park and Geer did there duty.

More than their duty - one thing that I found charming about this episode is how two of the more likable and decent (straight shooting) people of the crew ended up being among the most "blessed" - long lives with plenty of children and grandchildren. The good guys did finish first here.

Another nice touch was having Wray being the one who lived the longest and basically had the final say, the combination eulogy/lesson of the whole story. She was the outsider in many ways and sometimes it takes a person on the outside to see the big picture.


Volker being the first one to die on the planet was sad and seeing the funeral.

Accurate though, being that those with kidney failure do not live as long.



It was sad seeing such around and strong person such as TJ deteriation.

Nicely carried off, by the actress and the production. Very touching indeed.



It was funny seeing Brody moaning about the kids and his lawn.
Campily funny, but didn't make much sense. The idea of having "lawns" is part of the Anglo home-ownership ideal, and in America is associated with suburbs, etc. Out in the wilderness one doesn't worry about these sort of things.



An I like Volker and Rush little conversation at the end.

I liked that part. It's as if Volker, now knowing how short life truly is, loses some of his fear and inhibition and tells Rush the truth.

morrismike
April 26th, 2011, 03:10 AM
you know what really amazed me was that 80+ people could create a civilization like novus.

Everything we have now is basically a result of Romus and Remulus founding Rome or before that the 100 some people fleeing Troy and landing at Italy.

DigiFluid
April 26th, 2011, 03:13 AM
I know I couldn't get through the day without being able to speak conversational Latin.

morrismike
April 26th, 2011, 03:13 AM
makes ya wonder what kinda civilization we had if we didn't suffer the dark ages.

Sounds like the next SG show. Make stargates big enough for semi's and start colonization.

senilegreen
April 26th, 2011, 03:19 AM
Seriously they found Iron Ore within days of landing on Novas. Not a big stretch to manufacture coke and start making iron. I would focus on Bronze myself because Iron is a pain. They would have been casting axe heads, wedges, mauls, etc. within weeks.

It sounded like what they found was some sort of sediment from effluent (from a hot spring?) with iron compounds.

It's a long way from that to casting axes.

For example, they have no coal. Using charcoal...? I seriously doubt any of them have built anything to smelt any metal ore. But again, my contention is that what they lack is not theoretical knowledge (given all the physical scientists in the group) but worker bees. Most of the people would spend most of their time dealing with food, and water, and thus not have the time necessary for industrialization, which occurred in human history only when populations got large enough to support the division of labor necessary.

knowles2
April 26th, 2011, 03:34 AM
But I think the lack of workers was explain by Young and many other crew doing nothing but working. TJ even mention them becoming over work.

Young was out busy building a irrigation canal why his wife was in Labour, which shows his dedication to building a civilisation. Even Scott spent all his time building a house for Chloe and her baby.

Also I am presuming what ever Brody found was perfect for quickly making and building tools with little effort.

An we saw that in the first few weeks that they have made some hammers and other tools.

icsteffi
April 26th, 2011, 03:51 AM
I really liked the music in this episode. Like the very epic music that was playing as old Wray was giving her speech.

By the way, I'm worried that now that Varro saved T.J.'s life, she will go back to being interested in him. But that's so sad, because they all know about the life and children T.J. and Young could have had.

Ah, and saying that made me remember that none of the kids would be the same. No way the same sperm would get through on the same cycle. Hope no one got attached to their future kids on the kinovision!

Great episode.

DarkandBright
April 26th, 2011, 04:40 AM
I wonder nobody discussed yet what Rush found in the archives at the very end, something of 'outstanding importance'. Another secret that he can carry along for some days. Perhaps he found something about the drones? In the preview teaser
he seemed quite relaxed about the drone attack.

LtColCarter
April 26th, 2011, 05:18 AM
Wow...SGU has really been impressing me with the past few episodes. I can honestly say that I'm going to be sad to see this show leave us. I really liked the insight into the characters. I really felt bad for TJ...

Starsaber
April 26th, 2011, 05:20 AM
I wonder nobody discussed yet what Rush found in the archives at the very end, something of 'outstanding importance'. Another secret that he can carry along for some days. Perhaps he found something about the drones? In the preview teaser
he seemed quite relaxed about the drone attack.

I thought that was the thing about using the styrofoam in the air scrubbers.

LtColCarter
April 26th, 2011, 05:27 AM
I thought that was the thing about using the styrofoam in the air scrubbers.

I did too...

The_Asgard_live
April 26th, 2011, 05:29 AM
angry much? We've been waiting a long time for this level of writing and drama.

Goosfraba. You mean I just should have said OMG a 10, never been a better episode eva? For what its worth the last 2 episodes have been my favorite of this series.


Multiple partners are not necessary if you avoid direct relations (2nd cousins or closer). If the first batch of kids have a lot of girls, they'll still be plenty of fellas around from the first batch.

First batch? Original 80 you mean? As in Brody tries to have relations with one of Greer's kids when she is no longer jail bait? That is probably more controversial than Wray I think.


If they keep track of that sort of thing they can avoid marriages between people with any level of relation for at least 3 or 4 generations.

That was my point. It didn't appear they were keeping track/planning anything. They were just pairing off predictably/randomly. Volker died, some didn't contribute etc...


In truth Wray is like 45 so she'd only have 1 and she may not be able to carry one anyway (after 10 months of malnutrition and being that close to a "change of life").

Hmmmm, I didn't put her at that old, but if that is so, good point.

The_Asgard_live
April 26th, 2011, 05:39 AM
It sounded like what they found was some sort of sediment from effluent (from a hot spring?) with iron compounds.

I heard 'ferric hydroxide', but I couldn't make out the other thing. Anyone catch that?

mere earthling
April 26th, 2011, 05:40 AM
I loved this episode. It felt like I had been through a "journey" watching it and I was quite sad at the end. What a shame we will never see what could have come of SGU.

Kaiphantom
April 26th, 2011, 06:02 AM
Interesting episode, and I can see why a lot of people would like it, and why it would be suitable enough for a series finale (well, a finale when the series has been canceled). I wasn't as interested in seeing the planet develop with all the flashback scenes, so it didn't do anything for me. Not my type of episode, but it had no real issues, so it was decent.

Silly enough, I was more interested in seeing what they found as far as supplies and stuff. With the new air scrubber stuff, they can expanded the living areas of Destiny and thus crew, which means they can accommodate the Novus settlers. Interesting way to expand the crew complement of Destiny.

Not much to really comment on character-wise, since it all happened in an alternate setting. I will say this much: I get the feeling that every pairing in that past setting won't come to be. It's like those alternate realities where you can kill off all your characters; a chance to do something that won't be done in the main timeline. Obviously, we won't see what happens to our characters in that respect, but then again, I'm not a real big fan of shipping or watching a ton of romantic entanglements in my sci fi.

I will say I was a bit amused at Park's open fear at the Earthquakes, although I kinda expected her to want to go back to the ship.

I could say I kinda agree with another poster about the chance of probability they hit where they arrive on the planet within a few hours of the city being torn apart. The chance that they would arrive in that narrow window is a bit convenient, but it was for story purposes, and it is possible. The greater chance would have been to arrive long enough before that they had plenty of time, or long enough after that nothing was there (in which case, no story).

At any rate, the last two episodes seem to be something more up my alley, so I'm looking forward to them. I really get the feeling that in the season finale, they feel they are going to have to coast a long time to a star, and thus will end up freezing themselves in the pods.

RedXian
April 26th, 2011, 06:25 AM
Awesome Awesome episode.

Had me sitting on the edge of my seat in parts. I really thougth they killed off Varro until Young went back to save him.

I was sad about Volker's fate. More so that TJ's. She has 5 years until she starts showing symtoms, Volker may have month if not weeks before he dies. Volker's plight is more dire.

Once last thing. I find it interesting that Novis was founded without a major religious influence. The most religious left Destiny to live on the Faith planet.

Demoniser
April 26th, 2011, 06:56 AM
I really liked this episode overall.

The entire episode reminded me of 'Before I Sleep' from Atlantis Season 1, which isn't really surprising considering they were both written by Carl Binder.

- I liked the flashbacks as the present day cast sifted through the archives.

- I thought the TJ having ALS was a bit pointless tbh, and took up to much time that could have been spent doing other things.

- Convenient that they arrive just before it's going to be destroyed, convenient plot points strike again.

- Not allot of Rush this episode, they kind of put him to one side which i thought was a shame.

- The speach that Camile gave at the end of the episode about the 'journey' was very similar to the one Harry Kim gives in the final episode of Voyager, right before they try to get home.

- I liked the montage at the end of the city changing over time, i love a good montage.

Shylodog
April 26th, 2011, 07:01 AM
... In truth Wray is like 45 so she'd only have 1 and she may not be able to carry one anyway (after 10 months of malnutrition and being that close to a "change of life").

My understanding (and yes, I could be wrong) is that Wray's character is in her late 30's. Although Ming-Na is 48 this year, she easily pulls off portraying someone 10 years younger. Hell, I'm 10 years younger than her and I look older! :(

Anyway, I found it kind of sad that she didn't end up having any children, but found it quite compelling that her legacy lived on regardless. She was a powerful woman until the end.

knowles2
April 26th, 2011, 07:14 AM
I was sad about Volker's fate. More so that TJ's. She has 5 years until she starts showing symtoms, Volker may have month if not weeks before he dies. Volker's plight is more dire.

That Volker kidney disease that killed him. They have now given him a new kidney from Geer. Which happens in a previous episode.

jelgate
April 26th, 2011, 07:25 AM
The other thing was that TJ, who is a medic and not a doctor, was able to identify ALS just by a couple of symptoms? Um....how? Combat medics aren't exactly trained in genetic disorders/diseases, are they? I suspect this was to do with the TJ background subplot that got cut out of the previous episode, but without that background it seems a bit....unlikely here.

It wasn't a definite just a guess based on the symptoms. No one can properly identify Lou Gerwig's disease without advanced medical equipment


makes ya wonder what kinda civilization we had if we didn't suffer the dark ages.

Unchanged. Only Europe suffered the Middle Ages

knowles2
April 26th, 2011, 07:32 AM
I heard 'ferric hydroxide', but I couldn't make out the other thing. Anyone catch that?
That is Iron (iii).
and he said something about
birnide deposits.

Which is use in organic chemistry.

Pharaoh Atem
April 26th, 2011, 07:34 AM
Does anyone else kind of want to colonise another planet now?

I do just stay off my lawn :D

knowles2
April 26th, 2011, 07:39 AM
It wasn't a definite just a guess based on the symptoms. No one can properly identify Lou Gerwig's disease without advanced medical equipment



Unchanged. Only Europe suffered the Middle Ages
But it seems it was only the European that tended to have the drive to continually to expand and gain knowledge and technology and put them into practice. But such as the Plague, the church and probably other stuff held us back.

To me it seem India and China, and middle East cultures had individuals or small groups which made break through but those were never taught outside of those small groups and never applied to everyday living. It does seem like it was European culture which, once the Brits decide the Pope was not worth having around as leader deciding who can and cant get divorce, that made the push to use that knowledge in society and everyday and to continually expand it.

Or may be that just my west centred mind set.

SerpentGuard
April 26th, 2011, 07:41 AM
was that a Daedalus class ship taking off at the end of the episode? it sure looked like it.

I think if they were able to construct huge spacecraft capable of just lifting off the surface much like the 304s can then you'd think they'd have hyperdrives and other cool technology figured out.

Also I'm amazed they didnt find any Novan weapons + ammo, idnno, the writers could just say there was a lot of stuff in the supplies they gathered from Novus, weapons, medical supplies, clothing etc.. you'd think the Destiny crew would have run out of bullets and that magical C4 by now

derrickh
April 26th, 2011, 07:41 AM
Volker: This video says that I get sick and die like a month from now.

Everyone: Aw, thats too bad. Nice knowing you.

Volker: Maybe we can check on my kidney situation

Everyone: Um..yeah..we're kinda busy now watching home movies. Kthx, bye.

---------
TJ: In five years, I start showing symptoms of a disease!

Everyone: OMG! Drop everything, we have to save TJ!

D

jsunski
April 26th, 2011, 07:50 AM
Volker: This video says that I get sick and die like a month from now.

Everyone: Aw, thats too bad. Nice knowing you.

Volker: Maybe we can check on my kidney situation

Everyone: Um..yeah..we're kinda busy now watching home movies. Kthx, bye.

---------
TJ: In five years, I start showing symptoms of a disease!

Everyone: OMG! Drop everything, we have to save TJ!

D

Volker already had a kidney transplant in our timeline.

LtColCarter
April 26th, 2011, 08:25 AM
Volker already had a kidney transplant in our timeline.

I think the poster knows that...its just that Volker wasn't shown any compassion...and it was like drop everything for TJ

The_Asgard_live
April 26th, 2011, 08:26 AM
That is Iron (iii).
and he said something about
birnide deposits.

Which is use in organic chemistry.
Thanks! I got the iron part, just couldn't make out what he was saying for the second part. Are you sure about the birnide(?) deposit?

Organic chem... 5 hour long labs! I would think a good number of the science crew took organic chem.


was that a Daedalus class ship taking off at the end of the episode? it sure looked like it.

I thought the same...

Kaiphantom
April 26th, 2011, 08:51 AM
I think if they were able to construct huge spacecraft capable of just lifting off the surface much like the 304s can then you'd think they'd have hyperdrives and other cool technology figured out.

Yeah, if they have that level of tech, FTL travel shouldn't be that big of an issue. There has to be at least some knowledge handed down on hyperdrives, unless Rush is the only one who really knows anything about them. At the least, they should know FTL travel is possible.


Also I'm amazed they didnt find any Novan weapons + ammo, idnno, the writers could just say there was a lot of stuff in the supplies they gathered from Novus, weapons, medical supplies, clothing etc.. you'd think the Destiny crew would have run out of bullets and that magical C4 by now

Yeah, same reason we didn't get an exact list of what they initially brought from Icarus. It makes it convenient so they can have what they need if the plot demands it (or not have something if the plot says they shouldn't and thus have to go get it). But no mention of weapons (which I thought there should be), and I'm guessing they would have mentioned it if there were. At this point, I think they they only got food and Rush's scrubbers.

derrickh
April 26th, 2011, 08:56 AM
Volker already had a kidney transplant in our timeline.

But they should've at least taken a look to make sure there weren't any complications or if it was an unrelated illness. In the video, TJ said she 'thinks' its his kidney. On top of that, she made a point of saying that without any medical equipment, she didn't now. What if it was something else? No one even seemed to care about Volker's impending death.

20 minutes later, TJ finds out that after marriage and 2 kids , she gets sick, and people are falling over themselves (literally) to help her.

D

g.o.d
April 26th, 2011, 08:57 AM
damn, amazing episode. Reminded me the very ending of BSG :(

morbosfist
April 26th, 2011, 09:02 AM
But they should've at least taken a look to make sure there weren't any complications or if it was an unrelated illness. In the video, TJ said she 'thinks' its his kidney. On top of that, she made a point of saying that without any medical equipment, she didn't now. What if it was something else? No one even seemed to care about Volker's impending death.

20 minutes later, TJ finds out that after marriage and 2 kids , she gets sick, and people are falling over themselves (literally) to help her.

DBecause, by that equivalent point in time in the video, Volker's problem had already manifested itself and was dealt with. It wasn't a surprise what he died from. They knew. They had already experienced it.

Sairnath
April 26th, 2011, 09:07 AM
I so would have been raiding the nearest Department Store for several changes of clothes, razor blades and books.

The Destiny
April 26th, 2011, 09:27 AM
I was momentarily confused about Volker and his Kidneys as well and that people payed attention to T.J. who would show symptons after 5 years, while Volker would die quikly.

But only now did I realise that in "our" timeline they discovered and dealt with Volker's kidneys in episode 14, "Hope", but that this still needed to happen to the alternate crew who left the Destiny in episode 12. On Novus they had no equipment for a diagnosis so Volker died by the time he'd have been treated if still on the Destiny.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 26th, 2011, 09:42 AM
why didn't they build like an SGC Type building around the novus stargate when it was active?

The Destiny
April 26th, 2011, 09:44 AM
maybe they did, but it was flooded by lava, or swallowed by the ground in an earthquake?

I doubt cheyenne mountain would be off much better in similar circumstances. Either the base gets destroyed or is inaccesable because of the lava.

Egle01
April 26th, 2011, 10:21 AM
Such a wonderful episode. Wasn't sure how others feel about it, but looks like it was positively received. "Epilogue" sent me through rollercoaster of emotions - from laughing to crying to squeeing to shocked to laughing and so on.

2 to go. :danielanime08: So damn unfair. :(

LtColCarter
April 26th, 2011, 10:23 AM
*shudder* someone just compared SGU to BSG...in the beginning...I would've agreed. But its grown to so much more than BSG could've even dreamed of being.

carmencatalina
April 26th, 2011, 11:14 AM
*shudder* someone just compared SGU to BSG...in the beginning...I would've agreed. But its grown to so much more than BSG could've even dreamed of being.

Despite its "darker tone", I think SGU is a much more hopeful show than BSG (I liked BSG, just to be clear). It makes me feel good about being a human being, whereas sometimes, with BSG, I really didn't feel that.

Kilgharrah
April 26th, 2011, 11:14 AM
Why would they do that to us???!!!!
I'm starting to change my view of SGU now. Too bad it's too late.
It was a very emotional episode. I like these. All those possibilities are what SG is all about.
Finally we are back to the origin but not for long.
MY only problem was that the couples seemed forced. Some of them were not convincing. Just coupling them for the sake of coupling.
This episode can show us the possibilities and what we can do one day.
You see how blessed we are to have Earth. It has been living for millions of years and still is. Not all planets are.
I was thinking, can they detect signals in space to find the lost ships???
I can't believe T.J. is gonna die. Well, she was supposed to die if the series wasn't cancelled.
Wray lived the longest??? How can there be asian descendants when Wray didn't have kids??!!!!
IMO, that would have made the best series finale coz after this episode, I'm not so sure I'll like the next one.

carmencatalina
April 26th, 2011, 11:17 AM
Wray lived the longest??? How can there be asian descendants when Wray didn't have kids??!!!!


Both Park and Eli's partner are Asian. I'm sure there are others.

Paladine
April 26th, 2011, 11:20 AM
Good lord this episode was a mess. You really have to suspend any realism to watch it. Overrall it was enjoyable, but the constant bad writing killed it.

Destiny is sitting there in orbit over this planet while a black hole ravages it. No effect to the ship though. A black hole is a massive spacial event. Destiny just parked in orbit is completly unaffected the whole time.

Kino footage of alt timeline survivors. Scissors to cut the umbilical cord. Seriously?

The underground bunker when they arrive is completely undamaged. The moment they arrive the black hole makes its presence felt. Seriously? The moment they arrive? Not years before?

I honestly know why this show has been cancelled now. The writers.

LtColCarter
April 26th, 2011, 11:26 AM
Good lord this episode was a mess. You really have to suspend any realism to watch it. Overrall it was enjoyable, but the constant bad writing killed it.

Destiny is sitting there in orbit over this planet while a black hole ravages it. No effect to the ship though. A black hole is a massive spacial event. Destiny just parked in orbit is completly unaffected the whole time.

Kino footage of alt timeline survivors. Scissors to cut the umbilical cord. Seriously?

The underground bunker when they arrive is completely undamaged. The moment they arrive the black hole makes its presence felt. Seriously? The moment they arrive? Not years before?

I honestly know why this show has been cancelled now. The writers.

Get thee to the k'woosh! ;)

carmencatalina
April 26th, 2011, 11:33 AM
Get thee to the k'woosh! ;)

Now, now, everyone has the right to their opinion!

(Even if it is totally wrong, since it disagrees with mine!)

LtColCarter
April 26th, 2011, 11:37 AM
Now, now, everyone has the right to their opinion!

(Even if it is totally wrong, since it disagrees with mine!)

:lol:

DJsGirl
April 26th, 2011, 12:30 PM
...The other thing was that TJ, who is a medic and not a doctor, was able to identify ALS just by a couple of symptoms? Um....how? Combat medics aren't exactly trained in genetic disorders/diseases, are they? I suspect this was to do with the TJ background subplot that got cut out of the previous episode, but without that background it seems a bit....unlikely here.

I think we missed out on this explanation from TJ's back story in the Hunt. When TJ was trapped, Varro and Greer went o get her. They cut the scenes from TJ's past with her dad. They said TJ's father gave her the money to go to college but then he became ill. She used the money to hire care for her dad, and joined the military to pay for college. :daniel:

Dilithium
April 26th, 2011, 12:37 PM
I laughed. I cried like a biatch when Young had to feed TJ (been there, done that).

It's really too bad that this show has been cut down in its prime...

Same here. I’m there now but not yet at the feeding point. Watching beautiful TJ slowly degenerate and becoming increasingly helpless and unable to care for herself was absolutely heart wrenching. The scene at the end of TJ’s empty chair at the dinner table while the saddened children with lost appetites stirred their food was almost too much to take.

morbosfist
April 26th, 2011, 12:38 PM
Destiny is sitting there in orbit over this planet while a black hole ravages it. No effect to the ship though. A black hole is a massive spacial event. Destiny just parked in orbit is completly unaffected the whole time.You might want to pay closer attention. It was a rogue black hole, i.e. one that moves. It wasn't next to the planet. The reason Destiny is not affected is because it's a spaceship designed to deal with such things. Planets don't like having their orbits thrown off or being subject to outside gravitational forces all of a sudden. It causes bad things like the apocalypse.


Kino footage of alt timeline survivors. Scissors to cut the umbilical cord. Seriously?As opposed to?


The underground bunker when they arrive is completely undamaged. The moment they arrive the black hole makes its presence felt. Seriously? The moment they arrive? Not years before?It's narrative convenience. By this token all of fiction must annoy you. But, to name examples:

You must hate the episode of SG1 where they found that dude send through the gate in the 1940s. Place survived just fine until SG1 showed up, then went to hell. The old Tollan homeworld happens to have its gate buried within hours of SG1's arrival. SG1 just happens to show up during a cataclysmic meteor shower. Need I go on?

Unless you're willing to admit that all of Stargate sucked on these merits, this is flat-out double standards.

FrodoFraggins
April 26th, 2011, 12:38 PM
I'm in the absolute minority on this one. I really thought it was a waste of time and simply catered to the shippers. The two parter played out as a fan fiction story, complete with reset at the end so not to mess with canon. The time traveling characters were not ours, they were copies and thus anything that happened to them had no effect on our crew.

LtColCarter
April 26th, 2011, 12:39 PM
Looks like it'll be a k'woosh for two! :D

morbosfist
April 26th, 2011, 12:40 PM
How exactly was it reset? They still have hundreds of extra people, still have to find them a new home, and still have drones chasing them. The only thing solved was life support, and that simply had to happen.

rien
April 26th, 2011, 12:58 PM
I just this moment finished watching this episode. Cant really think of anything else that i could possibly say that would sum up how great i thought the episode was better than the simple fact that the ending had me in tears.

Chulaksaviour
April 26th, 2011, 02:50 PM
I have to say I am pretty impressed with this episode, damn shame its ending :/

Id have to agree this probably be a fitting end to the character development, though it wasn't intended to be

derrickh
April 26th, 2011, 02:54 PM
Looks like it'll be a k'woosh for two! :D

Make that 3.

Chloe is true to her mean-spirited self in taunting Eli. 'Hey look, 10 years after everyone else gets together and there are no more choices, the last eligible heterosexual women around decided to give you a shot. And you both almost look happy about it. Maybe you should pursue that.'

Ian-S
April 26th, 2011, 03:53 PM
Amazing episode if you suspend belief of the Grandfather Paradox.

I'm not dissing it, because I'm one of these that'll do that, but the descendents should not exist, ok let me explain: Destiny tried dialling the gate in a star, 99% of the crew got sent back in time, one went to Earth, the rest went to Novus via that other planet, Rush stayed on Destiny and waited for Destiny to re-enter the star system, he then stops the crew from dialling the gate, which means they never go back in time, so the descendents were never born.

Even so, I loved it and it will probably end up serving as a great series finale, I suspect I know where they are going to end up in the closing scene of Gauntlet:

Wild rampant speculation:They all end up going into the stasis pods

which could either serve as a speculative series finale or easily be undone in the Season 3 opener had there ever been one.

morbosfist
April 26th, 2011, 03:56 PM
The Grandfather paradox assumes a single timeline, rather than divergent ones. In Stargate, time simply forks when people mess with it. That's why the cure for the water plague in "Time" was possible, and why this alternate crew can exist here.

Ian-S
April 26th, 2011, 04:02 PM
I see what you mean but diverts still have a pivotal event that causes them, in Twin Destinies (I apologise for my spelling if it's off, it's late), that event was prevented from happening, so they never actually went back in time - depending on how you follow that story - either that or they did go back in time and the crew we present see on Destiny is the AltCrew and our real, original crew we've followed from Episode 1 were the settlers on the planet, and this episode itself is the ending of their story.

Either way, it's still good :)

Edit: so basically what you're saying is there are alternative timelines, running parallel to the original timeline, which can also interact with each other? a bit of a stretch (but then isn't the whole Destiny story that LOL), but I can live with that.

morbosfist
April 26th, 2011, 04:10 PM
I see what you mean but diverts still have a pivotal event that causes them, in Twin Destinies (I apologise for my spelling if it's off, it's late), that event was prevented from happening, so they never actually went back in time - depending on how you follow that story - either that or they did go back in time and the crew we present see on Destiny is the AltCrew and our real, original crew we've followed from Episode 1 were the settlers on the planet, and this episode itself is the ending of their story.

Either way, it's still good :)

Edit: so basically what you're saying is there are alternative timelines, running parallel to the original timeline, which can also interact with each other? a bit of a stretch (but then isn't the whole Destiny story that LOL), but I can live with that.Yes, you basically have it. The event that created Novus did happen, just not in this timeline. It came from a different timeline, and the result ended up in this new one.

jelgate
April 26th, 2011, 04:17 PM
Make that 3.

Chloe is true to her mean-spirited self in taunting Eli. 'Hey look, 10 years after everyone else gets together and there are no more choices, the last eligible heterosexual women around decided to give you a shot. And you both almost look happy about it. Maybe you should pursue that.'

Taunting? Are you out of your mind? I don't see the mocking. It was just seeing how the current Eli feels abou Cpl. Barnes

Phenom
April 26th, 2011, 04:27 PM
I'm in the absolute minority on this one. I really thought it was a waste of time and simply catered to the shippers. The two parter played out as a fan fiction story, complete with reset at the end so not to mess with canon. The time traveling characters were not ours, they were copies and thus anything that happened to them had no effect on our crew.

Funny I thought at the end that the ep had been written by a fan with everything they wanted to see happen shown on screen (i.e Babies, marriages, future of characters etc).

I enjoyed the ep though. But it would have been confusing as hell for a casual fan tuning in after missing a few weeks of episodes.

Shadow_7
April 26th, 2011, 04:44 PM
In the stargate mythology, crossing of parallel universes is common and only a dilema if two of the same person exist at the same time for a duration. i.e. dual McKays. dual Carters. 50+ SG1 teams, bizarro world, and others. The current rendition of Dr. Who keeps with this canon as well. It may not be the accepted fiction up until stargate. But it's nothing out of the norm IMO.

But I still think that it's mostly a reset as well. Had failing life support, found descendants, now have good life support and should be rid of the descendants soon. Business as usual. Even more data that no one will probably look at, other than TJ or Rush.

I'm just surprised that they didn't go running around looking for fancy weapons or ammo, versus dirt (err... special compound). It's all about the data (that no one is actually going to study). Except for the home movies of lives that never were. I mean that's what I do, travel halfway across my universe to visit relatives, just to sit there and watch TV. Isn't it?

the fifth man
April 26th, 2011, 04:46 PM
I thought this episode was a great continuation of last weeks episode. It was great to see how the alternate Destiny crew survived and flourished. I really am very sad that we only have two episodes left in this very good show.

LtColCarter
April 26th, 2011, 04:57 PM
I thought this episode was a great continuation of last weeks episode. It was great to see how the alternate Destiny crew survived and flourished. I really am very sad that we only have two episodes left in this very good show.

:indeed:

garhkal
April 26th, 2011, 06:35 PM
This was a fun episode. They mess with your head, dangle hope then yank it away, act like they're going to kill a guy... Good times all around.

With the chatter last week about Varro dying, i felt he was a gonner!.
As to TJ, i loved the drama. More so than with most every other "near death" issue..


It's episodes like this one that make you go "why?"

Why is the ride over? This is so good!

That being said, I think this episode should have been the end of the Franchise. Not only does it have this feeling of completness, but it leaves you knowing that we survived. Against all odds, we survived. And we kept alive not only ourselves, but the hope that one day we may return home to Milky way--to re-establish ourselves.

I really like this episode!

And it once again, shows that the Human Spirit is the strongest of our traits..


Styrofoam air filters?


Something Similar to foam is used in some air filters here on earth..


yeah, I really hope the drones didn't get them and if they haven't that they don't

Being the Drones seemed to not have gotten this far until they started chasing us, i doubt seriously they chased the evacuees.. And if they had found this area sooner, why was there no mass destruction?



I think the Writers did this episode as a sort of throwback to SG-1's Unending. The characters were able to continue going forward without having the influence of knowing what became of them. But this time, they know what happened.

It did have that feel, hoplessness being turned around.. But i loved how this may actually change how we do things (in the 2 remaining eps).



When Chloe said something to Young about this being their home I thought this would make a pretty good ending for the series if it had been written as one. Having them found a civilization on the other side of the galaxy was a brilliant storyline reminiscent of the Ancients starting new life in new galaxies.

To me, that is exactly WHY they did this.. Showed once and for all we ARE the ancients decendants. Not just in tech, or genes.. BUT in outlook.


Great episode. They could have ended the series on this if they had to and I would call it the best ending of the three shows because it embodied whats beautiful about this show.

If the whole ALS thing had not been brought up for TJ, i agree. It would have made for an Awesome ending... Especially how the ep finished with Wrays speech.



"The tidal forces are ripping this planet apart" - well, if a black hole is so close to the planet that the differences in gravity from one side of the planet to the opposite are causing destruction of the crust/mantle of the planet, why is the planet still in orbit around its sun? It should have been flung into a weird path by now, something they could have easily detected while on board Destiny.

Plus how do we know those tidal/gravitational forces didn't doom the ships that left.
Also wouldn't they have had an affect on destinies ability to go into FTL?


I think this would have made a better series finale than gauntlet.

Until i see Gauntlet, i will hold judgement.



The other thing was that TJ, who is a medic and not a doctor, was able to identify ALS just by a couple of symptoms? Um....how? Combat medics aren't exactly trained in genetic disorders/diseases, are they? I suspect this was to do with the TJ background subplot that got cut out of the previous episode, but without that background it seems a bit....unlikely here.

Maybe cause it IS genetic, she remembered seeing those symptoms in someone else in her family.. such as her mother, sister, grandmother etc..


The ending brought tears to my eyes.


The ending to me was close to the tear jerker that Heroes, Meridian and Daniel's funeral in "Fire and water" were..


Does anyone else kind of want to colonise another planet now?

YES!!!



I really did not like what Volker said to Rush at the end. Rush has seemed to be trying to help and getting better lately, then he goes and says something like thatd , but maybe it is just because im such a Rush fan but I just found it unnecessary..

I agree it was unnecessary. BUT i do feel that rush was more concerened with everyone on the ship (getting the air scrubbers working properly), should have tempered Volkar's snip at him (for not reporting in)...



Volker being the first one to die on the planet was sad and seeing the funeral. Loved seeing Young determination and drive to build a new home and despite all he as built and achieve he still went to his grave blaming himself for not getting them home. \

That was actually surprising to me, seeing young, after all they had acomplished, still thinking of returning the crew home to Earth..



An I also like how Rush sole focus was on keeping the crew alive and breathing. It the one thing he has in common with Young, single minded focus on keeping the crew and the ship alive and intact above all else.

It kinda Irks me no one on the ship complimented him for it.



Another nice touch was having Wray being the one who lived the longest and basically had the final say, the combination eulogy/lesson of the whole story. She was the outsider in many ways and sometimes it takes a person on the outside to see the big picture.


it was not just interesting, but poetic to me that it was HER who made up their constitution..



I liked that part. It's as if Volker, now knowing how short life truly is, loses some of his fear and inhibition and tells Rush the truth.

I wonder if when he finds out what rush DID for them (the air filters), whether he will feel some guilt at his snap, and apologize.

Cont next post

garhkal
April 26th, 2011, 06:51 PM
I wonder nobody discussed yet what Rush found in the archives at the very end, something of 'outstanding importance'. Another secret that he can carry along for some days. Perhaps he found something about the drones? In the preview teaser
he seemed quite relaxed about the drone attack.

I'll have to rewatch it, bt i don't remember seeing him looking through the archives..



Silly enough, I was more interested in seeing what they found as far as supplies and stuff. With the new air scrubber stuff, they can expanded the living areas of Destiny and thus crew, which means they can accommodate the Novus settlers. Interesting way to expand the crew complement of Destiny.

That is a good possibility. Especially if we track down their ships that left.



I get the feeling that every pairing in that past setting won't come to be. It's like those alternate realities where you can kill off all your characters; a chance to do something that won't be done in the main timeline. Obviously, we won't see what happens to our characters in that respect, but then again, I'm not a real big fan of shipping or watching a ton of romantic entanglements in my sci fi.

I am actually hoping some of them DO come to be. Such as James and Varro. Eli and Barnes..



I was sad about Volker's fate. More so that TJ's. She has 5 years until she starts showing symtoms, Volker may have month if not weeks before he dies. Volker's plight is more dire.

He already had his transplant. So he is in the clear for now..


My understanding (and yes, I could be wrong) is that Wray's character is in her late 30's. Although Ming-Na is 48 this year, she easily pulls off portraying someone 10 years younger. Hell, I'm 10 years younger than her and I look older! :(

Anyway, I found it kind of sad that she didn't end up having any children, but found it quite compelling that her legacy lived on regardless. She was a powerful woman until the end.

I too thought it strange she didn't have any kids.. BUT heart warming she was the last survivor and maker of their laws (constitution)..



I think if they were able to construct huge spacecraft capable of just lifting off the surface much like the 304s can then you'd think they'd have hyperdrives and other cool technology figured out.

Perhaps the Novans figured out a way to make better thrusters (for liftoff), but had no capacity to come up with FTL/Hyperdrives. remember all the times we have had to do something with ours, we got someone else to work it (perry).


Yeah, if they have that level of tech, FTL travel shouldn't be that big of an issue. There has to be at least some knowledge handed down on hyperdrives, unless Rush is the only one who really knows anything about them. At the least, they should know FTL travel is possible.


See above post. if others knew more on FTL tech, why was Perry needed?


I so would have been raiding the nearest Department Store for several changes of clothes, razor blades and books.

I wouldn't be surprised if they did!..


Make that 3.

Chloe is true to her mean-spirited self in taunting Eli. 'Hey look, 10 years after everyone else gets together and there are no more choices, the last eligible heterosexual women around decided to give you a shot. And you both almost look happy about it. Maybe you should pursue that.'

We didn;t see all the females hook up... only the core ones.
BUT i do agree, it did seem like his hook up with barnes was 'all that was left'..

FrodoFraggins
April 26th, 2011, 07:04 PM
How exactly was it reset? They still have hundreds of extra people, still have to find them a new home, and still have drones chasing them. The only thing solved was life support, and that simply had to happen.

Who is to say they can't just start the next episode with all of the Novus people already dropped off?

RedXian
April 26th, 2011, 07:18 PM
Edit: so basically what you're saying is there are alternative timelines, running parallel to the original timeline, which can also interact with each other? a bit of a stretch (but then isn't the whole Destiny story that LOL), but I can live with that.

Here's one to break the brain.

I think the most confusing thing about Hope is when the time travelled occured.

There is actually 2 Time Travel events in Hope. First the entire Destiny to go back 12 hours and the second the crew to go back 2000 years.

When they travelled back in time 12 hours there were two Destiny's in existence. Then the crew of Future Destiny when through the gate to travel back 2000 years.

The alternative timeslines don't interact with each other per se. But each time travel event into the past creates an duplicate timeline. The new time line deviates from the first one just from the existence of the time traveller.

RedXian
April 26th, 2011, 08:59 PM
He already had his transplant. So he is in the clear for now..


I should have realised this. I had forgotten that Volker had a transplant AFTER Hope.

I just wish Volker or someone said "Lucky you had that transplant" or at least something reassuring when he was looking at the logs/footage. Something to remind us that Novus Volker hadn't had a transplant. When I saw it I thought that Volker was going to have complication the transplant he had recently.

Shylodog
April 26th, 2011, 09:19 PM
We didn;t see all the females hook up... only the core ones.
BUT i do agree, it did seem like his hook up with barnes was 'all that was left'..

I was slightly disturbed by Eli's look of EPIC FAIL when he realized he and Barnes ended up together that continued up until the commercial break. :hammond04:

Phenom
April 26th, 2011, 09:56 PM
I was slightly disturbed by Eli's look of EPIC FAIL when he realized he and Barnes ended up together that continued up until the commercial break. :hammond04:

Well if I saw that I ended up with Barnes, when I had been aiming for Chloe and Ginn, then I would have been slightly shocked too.

Shylodog
April 26th, 2011, 10:03 PM
Well if I saw that I ended up with Barnes, when I had been aiming for Chloe and Ginn, then I would have been slightly shocked too.

He looked less shocked and more morbidly distressed.

morbosfist
April 26th, 2011, 10:08 PM
Who is to say they can't just start the next episode with all of the Novus people already dropped off?Then that would be a reset button, but since they haven't done it yet, it's not.

Shan Bruce Lee
April 26th, 2011, 10:52 PM
I'm in the absolute minority on this one. I really thought it was a waste of time and simply catered to the shippers. The two parter played out as a fan fiction story, complete with reset at the end so not to mess with canon. The time traveling characters were not ours, they were copies and thus anything that happened to them had no effect on our crew.

I'm pretty sure what happened to TJ would have an affect on her.


Taunting? Are you out of your mind? I don't see the mocking. It was just seeing how the current Eli feels abou Cpl. Barnes

Yeah, there's really no reason to keep bashing Chloe for stuff she doesn't, and never has, done.

spinny magee
April 27th, 2011, 02:12 AM
I thought this episode was a great continuation of last weeks episode. It was great to see how the alternate Destiny crew survived and flourished. I really am very sad that we only have two episodes left in this very good show.

At the end of this episode, I quite literally yelled "DAMN YOU GOD"

I'd like to kick Syfy in the proverbial nuts right now

Ian-S
April 27th, 2011, 03:38 AM
He looked less shocked and more morbidly distressed.

:lol: poor Maths boy.

derrickh
April 27th, 2011, 07:28 AM
Why should Volker feel bad for letting Rush know that they would get along just fine without him. Rush's entire deal is that everyone else is stupid and he's always right and without him, they'd all be dead. But thats not true. Rush causes just as many problems as he solves.

And no, Volker won't feel guilty after finding out that Rush stuffed styrofoam into the air scrubbers. Fixing problems like that is Rush's job. You don't get a parade for doing your job. And lets not get the impression that Rush split the atom. He cut up some material and stuffed it in a tube. The Destiny is filled with mega geniuses, and there's no doubt that someone would've found the new filter.

Lets not forget that Rush spends most of his time belittling, ridiculing, and cockwalking all over the rest of the scientists on the ship. So no one should feel a single second of guilt when one of them reminds him that he's not the end all, be all of brains brigade.

D

Shylodog
April 27th, 2011, 07:58 AM
Does anyone else get the impression that even IF Alt Rush had gone to Novus with everyone else, that once he (our Rush) went to the planet, he STILL would have gone directly for the filters instead of checking up on what his alt self had done in the past?

I mean, as it stands, he could care less how everyone fared as it wasn't HIS crew and such that went back in time. But he's more than happy to reap the fruits of their labor.

Lahela
April 27th, 2011, 08:43 AM
Does anyone else get the impression that even IF Alt Rush had gone to Novus with everyone else, that once he (our Rush) went to the planet, he STILL would have gone directly for the filters instead of checking up on what his alt self had done in the past?

Yes...


I mean, as it stands, he could care less how everyone fared as it wasn't HIS crew and such that went back in time. But he's more than happy to reap the fruits of their labor.

But that's not why. He's a pragmatist. Romantic meanderings into the past of alternate selves is utterly irrelevant to him, because his focus is keeping these people alive, now.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 27th, 2011, 09:28 AM
this episode makes me wonder that if they ever get to whereever it is that they're going and the possibility of earth is potentially null and void if they would start up this little Novus colony.

Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble
April 27th, 2011, 09:29 AM
Loved this ep it was fantastic.

I think they over did it with the birthing seances, I imagine it is fun to film though. They must have broke the record of most births in one ep :p.

The Varro-James thing was cheesey, he just looked at her differently one day and that was it.

And how an earth did Wray out live Chloe, Matt and Eli, she must have had a very good diet :p.

That ship at the end reminded me of the one you see at the start of Star Wars.

I think this ep was the best of franchise.

LtColCarter
April 27th, 2011, 09:48 AM
Does anyone else get the impression that even IF Alt Rush had gone to Novus with everyone else, that once he (our Rush) went to the planet, he STILL would have gone directly for the filters instead of checking up on what his alt self had done in the past?

Nope...

Kilgharrah
April 27th, 2011, 10:09 AM
I think this ep was the best of franchise.
It was awesome, but not THAT awesome. SGU is still the worse than SGA and SG1 even after this 2 part episode. It raised SGU a bit, but not enough to surpass SG1 and SGA.
IMO of course.

Sp!der
April 27th, 2011, 10:12 AM
I loved the first part much much more than "Epilogue" .... it was kinda let down for me guys! Sorry, I am not sure whats all the fuzz is about that episode, but maybe thats because I am in bad mood these days.. maybe later on dvd Ill have a click and see how fantastic this episode was!

LtColCarter
April 27th, 2011, 10:13 AM
It was awesome, but not THAT awesome. SGU is still the worse than SGA and SG1 even after this 2 part episode. It raised SGU a bit, but not enough to surpass SG1 and SGA.
IMO of course.

I concur

Stony
April 27th, 2011, 10:27 AM
Hello Everybody
It's my first post here
I found this episode very good :
- The flashbacks are very very good.
- Very good visual effects and beautiful play of light
- The emotions are very well managed

t's really unfortunate the good episodes come at the end !
In their trailer Syfy said:
"Every year has destiny ending"... So, why they don't make an ending for SGU!!!
http://img90.imageshack.us/i/sgu1110001.jpg/

PS: sorry if it's bad writting but I'm not english...

Meshakhad
April 27th, 2011, 11:18 AM
I think that this should have been the finale. SGU's own version of "Unending".

My mom called it the best piece of science fiction she had ever seen.

carmencatalina
April 27th, 2011, 11:19 AM
My mom called it the best piece of science fiction she had ever seen.

Good taste, mom!

LtColCarter
April 27th, 2011, 11:19 AM
I think that this should have been the finale. SGU's own version of "Unending".

My mom called it the best piece of science fiction she had ever seen.

Honestly, even though I'm more of an SG-1 fan...I liked this episode much more than Unending.

Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble
April 27th, 2011, 11:36 AM
I loved the first part much much more than "Epilogue" .... it was kinda let down for me guys! Sorry, I am not sure whats all the fuzz is about that episode, but maybe thats because I am in bad mood these days.. maybe later on dvd Ill have a click and see how fantastic this episode was!

Fuzz? I didn't know there was fuzz.

Do you mean cold fuzz?

Fuzz would have been good though.


:p

LtColCarter
April 27th, 2011, 11:59 AM
Fuzz? I didn't know there was fuzz.

Do you mean cold fuzz?

Fuzz would have been good though.


:p

buzz...as in...http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z374/BeesRuleBoysDrool/BlinkingBee.gif

Skiznot
April 27th, 2011, 11:59 AM
It reminded me of Unending also. I was so surprised by that episode, it was probably the best SG-1 episode I ever saw. Epilogue was quite brilliant also, the difference is I have come to expect this kind of quality from the beginning of SGU. Seeing peoples reactions to watching there alt lives play out was very powerful. I'm wondering if allowed to go on, this episode would be one of those moments that depend the bonds between the characters as they all witness what they can accomplish. Also I find the crew of destiny such compelling and interesting characters that I'm instantly interested in everything about the Novis people. They could have grown this in a lot of ways in further seasons.

Shylodog
April 27th, 2011, 12:01 PM
buzz...as in...http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z374/BeesRuleBoysDrool/BlinkingBee.gif

Or fuss?

Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble
April 27th, 2011, 12:02 PM
buzz...as in...http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z374/BeesRuleBoysDrool/BlinkingBee.gif

No fuzz is better. Buzz is soooooooo old hat.

:p

LtColCarter
April 27th, 2011, 12:02 PM
Or fuss?

Pretty sure it was buzz...as in...http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z374/BeesRuleBoysDrool/BlinkingBee.gif

LtColCarter
April 27th, 2011, 12:04 PM
It reminded me of Unending also. I was so surprised by that episode, it was probably the best SG-1 episode I ever saw. Epilogue was quite brilliant also, the difference is I have come to expect this kind of quality from the beginning of SGU. Seeing peoples reactions to watching there alt lives play out was very powerful. I'm wondering if allowed to go on, this episode would be one of those moments that depend the bonds between the characters as they all witness what they can accomplish. Also I find the crew of destiny such compelling and interesting characters that I'm instantly interested in everything about the Novis people. They could have grown this in a lot of ways in further seasons.

While I disagree about SGU being awesome from episode 1 on (you must be a BSG fan), I will concur that this episode was the best of the bunch...and better than Unending.

Shylodog
April 27th, 2011, 12:36 PM
Pretty sure it was buzz...as in...http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z374/BeesRuleBoysDrool/BlinkingBee.gif

You just like posting your busy little bee. :P

LtColCarter
April 27th, 2011, 12:37 PM
You just like posting your busy little bee. :P

Shhhhhh....don't tell anyone! ;)

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 27th, 2011, 12:44 PM
can i ask how this episode is like unending? i'm a little confused.

LtColCarter
April 27th, 2011, 12:47 PM
can i ask how this episode is like unending? i'm a little confused.

Yeah...I don't see it either...so I'd enjoy the enlightenment.

Egle01
April 27th, 2011, 12:54 PM
And how an earth did Wray out live Chloe, Matt and Eli, she must have had a very good diet :p.While Wray definitely wasn't the youngest, it's not that hard to believe that younger persons died due to different reasons - accidents or diseases. Or that tea of hers is one powerful stuff.


It was awesome, but not THAT awesome. SGU is still the worse than SGA and SG1 even after this 2 part episode. It raised SGU a bit, but not enough to surpass SG1 and SGA.
IMO of course.Just like your opinion is that it's not THAT awesome, Ben's opinion can be that it was THAT awesome.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 27th, 2011, 12:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DdIBp2Taqc

the ending scene.

mjwalshe
April 27th, 2011, 01:32 PM
Two little things that kind of bugged me:

There were repeated earthquakes on the planet while the 'away team' (including Park) were down there....and they never addressed that this is one of Park's big phobias (as we learned back in Darkness). That was a pretty big missed opportunity IMO.

The other thing was that TJ, who is a medic and not a doctor, was able to identify ALS just by a couple of symptoms? Um....how? Combat medics aren't exactly trained in genetic disorders/diseases, are they? I suspect this was to do with the TJ background subplot that got cut out of the previous episode, but without that background it seems a bit....unlikely here.

well maybe she new that some one else in her family had suffered from it.

major davis
April 27th, 2011, 01:43 PM
I concur

Not I. :D

Egle01
April 27th, 2011, 02:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DdIBp2Taqc

the ending scene.Beautiful, moving, thoughtful. (((SGU)))

garhkal
April 27th, 2011, 05:00 PM
Who is to say they can't just start the next episode with all of the Novus people already dropped off?

Dropped off where?


I was slightly disturbed by Eli's look of EPIC FAIL when he realized he and Barnes ended up together that continued up until the commercial break. :hammond04:

Maybe its cause he just couldn't imagine seeing himself hook up with her?


At the end of this episode, I quite literally yelled "DAMN YOU GOD"

I'd like to kick Syfy in the proverbial nuts right now

I'd like to do worse.. but am too afraid of going to jail for it.



And no, Volker won't feel guilty after finding out that Rush stuffed styrofoam into the air scrubbers. Fixing problems like that is Rush's job. You don't get a parade for doing your job. And lets not get the impression that Rush split the atom. He cut up some material and stuffed it in a tube. The Destiny is filled with mega geniuses, and there's no doubt that someone would've found the new filter.

It is also the other scientists job to be thinking like that. BUT whom else besides rush was working on it? NO ONE!.
As to someone else figuring out the foam thing.. Since we had to leave due to the planet getting massively unstable, where would we have gotten it from, IF and when someone else thought of it?



Lets not forget that Rush spends most of his time belittling, ridiculing, and cockwalking all over the rest of the scientists on the ship. So no one should feel a single second of guilt when one of them reminds him that he's not the end all, be all of brains brigade.
D

How many times did Mccay belittle/ridicule others on Atlantis? How many of them praised him when he saved their butts?


Good taste, mom!

agreed. Other than some trek (orig series), and the occasional film, my mother can't stand scifi.


Beautiful, moving, thoughtful. (((SGU)))

And to me, the best Episode ending i have ever seen next to meridian and heroes!

Krisz
April 27th, 2011, 06:17 PM
I had mixed feelings about this episode. At first I wondered why so much time is being spent on what went on with the 'descendants' when we could see more of Destiny and unraveling the mystery of its mission.

On thinking about it I realised how brilliant this episode was. SGU was always about the people, how they fared in triumph and adversity. It is truly a wonderful epilogue in every way to the series, it sums up the experiences of those mismatched unprepared people by showing us the monumental achievements they made, and how by working together, each realizing their potential they created an astounding civilisation.

What I also found fascinating is the fact that they only uploaded a 'third' of Novus' archive, it will only give them a glimpse of what they could achieve, the rest is up to them and their future is going to be different. It's sad that we won't see how they would add their experiences and knowledge gained to that archive. The moment with Rush and Volker was interesting, here was a man who never had a chance to be part of the creation of a brave new world, just as Rush wasn't. None of what they may do in the future could have any impact on the outcome of things, for once Volker was on an equal footing with Rush and could say what he did.

Rush's total indifference to the history created by the other Destiny crew only reinforces his obsession with Destiny and its mission. That 'past' is irrelevant to their situation, they still have to live on Destiny, not join the 'past'. Repairing the Destiny's life support system with salvaged parts from the doomed technology he found on Novus was an apt reinforcement of his views of concentrating on the present and the 'mission', but it could be said that the crew of the Destiny reached through time to help those of this timeline’s Destiny to survive. Sci Fi at its best!!!

This episode summed up the people part of SGU and gave a satisfying end, in that it gives all those of Destiny renewed hope and a sense of closure to the series. The remaining episodes could now, after this episode, set up the possibility of great things to come when the Stargate saga continues, as I'm sure it will, there are too many stories left to tell. :)

FrodoFraggins
April 27th, 2011, 06:30 PM
Dropped off where?


The planet that Destiny can get to quickly that will take 200 years for the evacuees to reach.

the fifth man
April 27th, 2011, 07:47 PM
Beautiful, moving, thoughtful. (((SGU)))

Yes, the ending of this episode certainly was all those things.

caribsci
April 27th, 2011, 08:44 PM
Originally Posted by Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble
And how an earth did Wray out live Chloe, Matt and Eli, she must have had a very good diet


How about she didn't have any kids.Kids do stress ppl out a lot and will definately wear you down.

Lahela
April 27th, 2011, 09:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DdIBp2Taqc

the ending scene.

*cries*

Every time.

themeatcleaver
April 27th, 2011, 10:18 PM
hey i haven't read all 11 pages here but did anyone happen to notice if they took any clothing/uniforms from that bunker? i dont recall seeing it but maybe someone else did?

Egle01
April 27th, 2011, 10:23 PM
hey i haven't read all 11 pages here but did anyone happen to notice if they took any clothing/uniforms from that bunker? i dont recall seeing it but maybe someone else did?Didn't notice, sorry. Only things that were shown was that thing Greer ate and air filter stuff. If they did get clothing, then hopefully we get to see 'em or at least hear a mention in the next two episodes.

Perelandra
April 28th, 2011, 07:14 AM
How about she didn't have any kids.Kids do stress ppl out a lot and will definately wear you down.
I wondered that too but:
Women generally tend to live longer than men.
In a society without modern medicine or antibiotics it wasn't uncommon for women to die in childbirth.(Wray apparently didn't have children)
Camille's character is probably about 40's with Eli, Chloe Scott Ect in their mid-20's
so if they died at 70-Wray could be about 90 in that last scene.

LtColCarter
April 28th, 2011, 07:24 AM
I wondered that too but:
Women generally tend to live longer than men.
In a society without modern medicine or antibiotics it wasn't uncommon for women to die in childbirth.(Wray apparently didn't have children)
Camille's character is probably about 40's with Eli, Chloe Scott Ect in their mid-20's
so if they died at 70-Wray could be about 90 in that last scene.

Sounds about right.

Shokada
April 28th, 2011, 10:40 AM
Does anybody else know about the ALS awareness campaign taking place in May? I believe that the writers decided to have TJ die from ALS as opposed to any other diseases in order to contribute to raising awareness about the disease. I hope that if this is what the writers intended to do that at least a few people, such as myself, learn more about it.

LtColCarter
April 28th, 2011, 11:04 AM
Does anybody else know about the ALS awareness campaign taking place in May? I believe that the writers decided to have TJ die from ALS as opposed to any other diseases in order to contribute to raising awareness about the disease. I hope that if this is what the writers intended to do that at least a few people, such as myself, learn more about it.

Didn't know about it. Thanks for posting the info. Do you have a link or anything on the campaign?

Shokada
April 28th, 2011, 12:42 PM
There are bits and pieces all over the internet about it. I came across the awareness month by chance after watching Epilogue whilst looking at what fantastic holidays there are in April and May on some website I found on Google relating to the various different holidays in each month.

I'm interested to see if anybody else knows anything else about it. I might check to see if Carl Binder has a blog, as the writer of the episode he probably would have written an entry on it.

SciFiRick
April 28th, 2011, 12:46 PM
This season of SGU has been absolutely great. This back half has really trended to what Stargate is all we are accustomed to seeing. Epilogue was magnificently written and played out wonderfully on the screen. The special effects was turned up a notch these last 8 and soon to be 10 episodes.

It is sad that SyFy felt they had to judge this franchise so quickly. Especially when you consider the money they made with the Stargate Franchise over these many years. Someone should consider doing a 5 to 7 episode to put finality to this series. It was done with "Jericho". But they wouldn't do it with the NBC series "Surface".

Enough people spoke out and NBC renewed "Chuck" one additional season and SGU is a much better series than Chuck. Don't get me wrong, I really like Chuck but come on there is no comparison other than one is mainstream and the other is not.

Maybe if the writers included WWE into the SGU storyline there would have been a better chance of adding a third season on SyFy.

Keeper
April 28th, 2011, 12:52 PM
Maybe if the writers included WWE into the SGU storyline there would have been a better chance of adding a third season on SyFy.

please please no :(

if the show can't stand on its own two feet, then there's no point writing gimmicks in to catch an audience. i don't mind the odd wrestler popping out to do films and suchlike, but not to draw ratings to a show so far removed :(

SciFiRick
April 28th, 2011, 12:59 PM
If it were not for "Caprica" failing I would have suggested "Stargate Novus" as a possible spin off series. I don't think Sci Fi Fans find being on the ground as entertaining as space, beam weapons, subspace, aliens, space ships etc. They would have to do it like SG-1 in that the series starts when gate travel is up, running and traveling to other planets from Novus Command. But, "Done That" comes to mind.

SciFiRick
April 28th, 2011, 01:00 PM
please please no :(

if the show can't stand on its own two feet, then there's no point writing gimmicks in to catch an audience. i don't mind the odd wrestler popping out to do films and suchlike, but not to draw ratings to a show so far removed :(

Lol. I was just being sarcastic.

Keeper
April 28th, 2011, 01:04 PM
yet i can think of one or two people i know who would probably START watching it if WWE was brought in :p


as for stargate novus - you're right, been there done that. but with the added factor of, as far as we know there's no other humanoid life forms in this galaxy, and the only other intelligent life we've found was the predator in the hunt. i'm not really sure what they'd be exploring :p

xxxevilgrinxxx
April 28th, 2011, 02:01 PM
Fantastic episode... this is Stargate, and science fiction, at it's finest.

This :)

SciFiRick
April 28th, 2011, 03:32 PM
Did anyone notice the statue of Young at the beginning when you see the shuttle come to a landing? Look at the statues right breast pocket and you will see the name "Young".

Shan Bruce Lee
April 28th, 2011, 04:30 PM
Did anyone notice the statue of Young at the beginning when you see the shuttle come to a landing? Look at the statues right breast pocket and you will see the name "Young".

I didn't notice the name, I just assumed it was Young because it kinda looked like him. (and who else would it be, really)

garhkal
April 28th, 2011, 07:04 PM
Didn't notice, sorry. Only things that were shown was that thing Greer ate and air filter stuff. If they did get clothing, then hopefully we get to see 'em or at least hear a mention in the next two episodes.

Not specifically, but from prior experience in Jacksonville as a comrel project, we had to set up 3 hurricane shelters.. each had food, water, medical supplies AND clothes in.
So since that bunker was set up as a shelter, it would not surprise me in the least to see some of those crates having clothing in.

caribsci
April 28th, 2011, 08:37 PM
I'm curious;if that planet the expedition was found on was only a week away why didn't the novusians(yeah i made it up) try and get to that planet in their ships.I know with no ftl it would take them much longer than a week but surely not 200 years.

General Jumper One
April 28th, 2011, 09:13 PM
I'm curious;if that planet the expedition was found on was only a week away why didn't the novusians(yeah i made it up) try and get to that planet in their ships.I know with no ftl it would take them much longer than a week but surely not 200 years.

200 years is reasonable when your NOT going faster than light.

Gurluas
April 29th, 2011, 01:49 AM
It would take a week using Destiny.
Destiny could reach the planned planet in 10 days.

Elite Anubis Guard
April 29th, 2011, 03:31 AM
Wow. As with most of Season 2, absolutely loved this episode. It's a story I feel only SGU can do. Loved the progression of the Novus people and seeing all the relationships. Felt really bad for Varro and I was like

"Noooo!!!!" when he fell. Hope we find out if he survives before the end of series.

The Destiny
April 29th, 2011, 05:28 AM
200 years is reasonable when your NOT going faster than light.

In fact 200 years is quite optimistic. Does anyone know how long it'd take to get to the nearest planet from Earth, using a rocket? Several hundred years I'm guessing, and Alpha Centauri is like 4-5 lightyears away?

pastence
April 29th, 2011, 05:53 AM
This really was a superb episode and a fantastic continuation to the previous episode. I really loved it and can't wait to watch it again. It makes me sad to know that the show got cancelled, however, there were just too many bad story lines / episodes compared to the really good once and that brought the whole thing down.

Even though the stone communication was a good idea to stay in contact with earth, I really did not like any of those episodes that made use of it. Yes it provided a lot of new story line ideas, but those once just didn't captivate my attention as much as the once where the crew were left on their own and had to survive by themselves.

Epilogue was brilliant and it did not even feature the stones or a Stargate for that matter! The episode was beautifully filmed with a fantastic story line and superb CGI. That last bid with the village changing into a town, changing into a city was the best ever.

dvdrts
April 29th, 2011, 08:04 AM
Wow. As with most of Season 2, absolutely loved this episode. It's a story I feel only SGU can do. Loved the progression of the Novus people and seeing all the relationships. Felt really bad for Varro and I was like

"Noooo!!!!" when he fell. Hope we find out if he survives before the end of series.

promos for the next episode 'Blockade' show us he's walking again and joins everone going offworld.

LordRush
April 29th, 2011, 10:37 AM
Did anyone notice the statue of Young at the beginning when you see the shuttle come to a landing? Look at the statues right breast pocket and you will see the name "Young".
Yea I was like look theres a statue of Young. It reminded me a statue of Jayne from firefly.

LtColCarter
April 29th, 2011, 11:04 AM
In fact 200 years is quite optimistic. Does anyone know how long it'd take to get to the nearest planet from Earth, using a rocket? Several hundred years I'm guessing, and Alpha Centauri is like 4-5 lightyears away?

Well, we'd better get on that then! ;)

Captain James
April 29th, 2011, 12:42 PM
Nice episode and i like the ships too.

Sham
April 29th, 2011, 09:29 PM
ok so iv been a big stargate fan for a good number of years and i just had to make a account and say 'Epilogue' was god damn good show. Peace.

Egle01
April 30th, 2011, 03:06 AM
ok so iv been a big stargate fan for a good number of years and i just had to make a account and say 'Epilogue' was god damn good show. Peace.Welcome, hope to see you more often. :P

Shylodog
April 30th, 2011, 12:26 PM
Yea I was like look theres a statue of Young. It reminded me a statue of Jayne from firefly.

[singing] The Hero of Youngstown, the man we call..... Everett.

Stormtrooper
May 1st, 2011, 07:33 AM
Liked the episode until Destiny inexplicably couldn't track down those Novan evacuation ships en route to their new destination.

It would also have been cool if Young & Co. had found a way to integrate their rescued descendants into Destiny's crew. The ship's huge and they definitely could use the help, but no.

6/10

Jacdru
May 1st, 2011, 10:27 AM
What can i say other then typical SGU story arc.

Again they buildup a story that could have gone on for the rest of season 2 and well into season 3 or even last for how long the show was intended to run but again they fail because they turn this into a soap. Why make a whole episode about who ended up with who, seriusly who gives a rat ass about that, they just found out that their counterparts from another destiny had build a entire civiliation and that Young, Rush and Eli was the main fokus.

Why not use this storyline to build on the drones or how they found them, or even better build on the relationship the two cities had and their belifes.

But i guess i should have known better and not have had my hopes up because just look at all the other episodes and what has happend, there is so many things they could have build on and expanded to last more then just one or two eps.

So all in all a very avg. SGU episode and explains why sgu is gone after the last two episodes.

Keeper
May 1st, 2011, 10:48 AM
What can i say other then typical SGU story arc.

Again they buildup a story that could have gone on for the rest of season 2 and well into season 3 or even last for how long the show was intended to run but again they fail because they turn this into a soap.
actually to be fair about it, the novus story couldn't have gone on for so long as you suggest.

destiny has a mission to go forward, young feels he has a mission to get people home if possible, and if not then he's prepared to work with destiny's mission. sooner or later, assuming the they'd have had to make a decision - progress forwards, or settle down. progressing forwards may, potentially, yield a means to go home - while it's unlikely that novus has anything that can help, and settling down would mean giving up.

you've mentioned elsewhere about how they haven't integrated the novus survivors into the crew - well they weren't dumped off anywhere, that i noticed. they couldn't be left on novus, and they didn't know where novus was planning to settle. their own colony world doesn't have a gate any more. they're on board destiny for the moment, and foreseeable future.

how the drones found them was already covered - in common descent, eli and rush both stated the gate was used as a tracking mechanism. there's not much more that can be said than was said - gate = massive power in subspace, easy to track.

building on the relationship of the two sides (we don't know how many cities there were) isn't going to do anything at all for SGU's overarching storyline, nor is it going to develop the characters in the eyes of the viewer. i'll agree that i'm not sure how much of the latter was done anyway, however as it is the viewer gets to see 'what might have been.'

as for who ended up with who - volker died before that could happen, and TJ didn't last long. in volker's case, it shows what he would have suffered, while in TJ's case there's probably a future storyline that was planned down the road that would have taken in her disease. when and how is anyone's guess, or even if, however there's at least one possible story that could be developed - and it's even relevant to the actual crew, rather than their random and numerous descendants.

SGU has, imho, made a good few mistakes along the way - but cutting novus 'short' isn't one of them. even if the crew had been able and willing to stick around for a half-season or so with it, viewers would have become a little restless, wondering why destiny's mission is suddenly non-existent.

rushy
May 1st, 2011, 10:48 AM
The whole Novus thing was awesome. Still, this episode would only be a fitting end to the Novus-SGU series rather than the new timeline we have since S2E11. I just can't wait for Rush to win. And the conversation between Rush and Volker... I bet that a minute later Rush was in his quarters, crying.

rushy
May 1st, 2011, 10:50 AM
Yea I was like look theres a statue of Young. It reminded me a statue of Jayne from firefly.

Is it just me or does that statue really not look like Young? At least he had more hair...

Keeper
May 1st, 2011, 10:53 AM
Is it just me or does that statue really not look like Young? At least he had more hair...

i had to check the nametag too, though i've yet to see a statue - especially one that must be nearly 2000 years old - that looks like a perfect image of the guy it represents :p

morbosfist
May 1st, 2011, 11:00 AM
Hair is hard to sculpt.

Jacdru
May 1st, 2011, 11:19 AM
actually to be fair about it, the novus story couldn't have gone on for so long as you suggest.

destiny has a mission to go forward, young feels he has a mission to get people home if possible, and if not then he's prepared to work with destiny's mission. sooner or later, assuming the they'd have had to make a decision - progress forwards, or settle down. progressing forwards may, potentially, yield a means to go home - while it's unlikely that novus has anything that can help, and settling down would mean giving up.

you've mentioned elsewhere about how they haven't integrated the novus survivors into the crew - well they weren't dumped off anywhere, that i noticed. they couldn't be left on novus, and they didn't know where novus was planning to settle. their own colony world doesn't have a gate any more. they're on board destiny for the moment, and foreseeable future.

how the drones found them was already covered - in common descent, eli and rush both stated the gate was used as a tracking mechanism. there's not much more that can be said than was said - gate = massive power in subspace, easy to track.

building on the relationship of the two sides (we don't know how many cities there were) isn't going to do anything at all for SGU's overarching storyline, nor is it going to develop the characters in the eyes of the viewer. i'll agree that i'm not sure how much of the latter was done anyway, however as it is the viewer gets to see 'what might have been.'

as for who ended up with who - volker died before that could happen, and TJ didn't last long. in volker's case, it shows what he would have suffered, while in TJ's case there's probably a future storyline that was planned down the road that would have taken in her disease. when and how is anyone's guess, or even if, however there's at least one possible story that could be developed - and it's even relevant to the actual crew, rather than their random and numerous descendants.

SGU has, imho, made a good few mistakes along the way - but cutting novus 'short' isn't one of them. even if the crew had been able and willing to stick around for a half-season or so with it, viewers would have become a little restless, wondering why destiny's mission is suddenly non-existent.

Sure the Novus story arc could have been going on for much longer, noone says it had to be a main focus of the series like Destinys mission doesnt need to be the main focus but can be pushed abit into the back for awhile., look at SG-1 look at SG-A, look at BSG and a ton of other shows A good writer uses small things to keep the show interesting also if the main mission should be the main focus they could finish that in 3-4 episodes and then end the show.

Also i didn´t mention the Novus survivers, but i didn´t count them in since they will probaly not be more then a sidenote and if anything they will be forgot the next episode.

Eli and Rush speculated on how they could have found them but they have no idea, also that idea would fit poorly in with the last episode and first of this season so it seems like a cheap trick from the writers to finish that arc quickly.

Anything to do with novus and their cities would have been something to do with Destiny, since they were build by decendents from destiny and thereby leaving a whole arc open, Technology, Faith, Belief, the complex relationship between Rush, Eli and Young or the Military/scientist arc could have been used , in fact they could have made a spinoff show of all that and with so many possibilties it seems like such a let down that they just focused on how many kids and who laid who, and Volker is not that importent imhop.

TJ´s disease is a poor thing to get out of Novus and Common and Epi.

So SGU did fail with this like it did with so many other episodes before that and also its funny how Novus turned into a world with x-number of cities when the people in VISITATION couldn´t even build a shelter to keep out the cold and it was pretty much the same kind of minds and knowledge both places and "visitation" they even had a shuttle.

Also if you have watched SG-1 and BSG you can see that there is one main story arc, and the entire season they have multiple minor and more major story lines which either run side by side with the main for a entire season or for a few episodes.

So conclusion is that SGU again missed the boat and its really a pain because again they showed promise with Common just to burn it all on some sick soap twitch which makes you think about Days of your live or Glamour or Dollars then a SG franchise.

howwow
May 1st, 2011, 11:38 AM
Hi all.

Apologies I did not read all the posts and came right here. Knowing "Common Decent" and "Epilogue" are actually a two-parters. I deliberately waited until I got the two episodes and watch back-to-back. I think you have to, and it actually turn out to be like a mini-movie experience.

I also like the fact they actually explained where the rest of the alternate crew went through the Stargate, or rather, when.

Best SGU episodes, ever!! Yes, all the mix of touching emotions, stories, effects etc. I think what was most interesting and very intriguing and make good scifi stories is seeing people grow old, and passing one generation to another… I also like the last scene where the little village grew into a modern city in 2000 years, and you see a ship taking off.

Agree with a lot of you here that these two episodes could have made as the final two episodes, and leave us there… I don't really mind… it's like you know the decedents actually survive and left the planet.

Remind me a bit, remember in one episode in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, the Defiant fell back in time and a new alternate generation grew up? Only that generation did not really exist when Defiant corrected its mistakes and didn't go back in time.

morbosfist
May 1st, 2011, 01:14 PM
Sure the Novus story arc could have been going on for much longer, noone says it had to be a main focus of the series like Destinys mission doesnt need to be the main focus but can be pushed abit into the back for awhile., look at SG-1 look at SG-A, look at BSG and a ton of other shows A good writer uses small things to keep the show interesting also if the main mission should be the main focus they could finish that in 3-4 episodes and then end the show.This is not how any narrative works. You don't just abandon the main plot to go explore some other aspect of the universe unless it in some way relates to the main plot. Novus has zero importance to the story arc other than its purpose as a device to provide insight into the characters and to provide crucial supplies to keep the narrative going.


Also i didn´t mention the Novus survivers, but i didn´t count them in since they will probaly not be more then a sidenote and if anything they will be forgot the next episode.Which would be ridiculous. They haven't gone anywhere. They still need to be dropped off. SGU has been good about resolving the previous episodes.


Eli and Rush speculated on how they could have found them but they have no idea, also that idea would fit poorly in with the last episode and first of this season so it seems like a cheap trick from the writers to finish that arc quickly.This makes no sense. Eli and Rush drew a logical conclusion based on available data. You're trying to diminish that for no good reason.


Anything to do with novus and their cities would have been something to do with Destiny, since they were build by decendents from destiny and thereby leaving a whole arc open, Technology, Faith, Belief, the complex relationship between Rush, Eli and Young or the Military/scientist arc could have been used , in fact they could have made a spinoff show of all that and with so many possibilties it seems like such a let down that they just focused on how many kids and who laid who, and Volker is not that importent imhop.Not true. Novus had nothing to do with Destiny as it is, only a spinoff crew. Their beliefs, customs, etc. in no way build on the show's story arc and thus do not deserve the kind of focus you want. As you suggest, it would only be appropriate as a spinoff, and that wouldn't happen even if the show were popular enough for another season.


TJ´s disease is a poor thing to get out of Novus and Common and Epi.But it's relevant to the story. Nothing else is.


So SGU did fail with this like it did with so many other episodes before that and also its funny how Novus turned into a world with x-number of cities when the people in VISITATION couldn´t even build a shelter to keep out the cold and it was pretty much the same kind of minds and knowledge both places and "visitation" they even had a shuttle.There were a dozen people on Eden, most of whom were not engineers, and who got screwed by a coming winter. Novus had 80ish people including engineers and a lot of laborers.


Also if you have watched SG-1 and BSG you can see that there is one main story arc, and the entire season they have multiple minor and more major story lines which either run side by side with the main for a entire season or for a few episodes.Which are relevant to the main arc. Novus is not.


So conclusion is that SGU again missed the boat and its really a pain because again they showed promise with Common just to burn it all on some sick soap twitch which makes you think about Days of your live or Glamour or Dollars then a SG franchise.This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what the episode is trying to present. It's a "what could have been" scenario. You're inflating into something it isn't.

garhkal
May 1st, 2011, 01:29 PM
Liked the episode until Destiny inexplicably couldn't track down those Novan evacuation ships en route to their new destination.

It would also have been cool if Young & Co. had found a way to integrate their rescued descendants into Destiny's crew. The ship's huge and they definitely could use the help, but no.

6/10

it kind of ended before we got a chance to see either of these being implemented.

LordRush
May 1st, 2011, 07:17 PM
Liked the episode until Destiny inexplicably couldn't track down those Novan evacuation ships en route to their new destination.

It would also have been cool if Young & Co. had found a way to integrate their rescued descendants into Destiny's crew. The ship's huge and they definitely could use the help, but no.

6/10

It would be the smart thing to do at this point. The ship needs a crew, they have lost quite a few people along the way, this would be the perfect opportunity to gain some needed manpower.

Sham
May 2nd, 2011, 01:10 AM
It would be the smart thing to do at this point. The ship needs a crew, they have lost quite a few people along the way, this would be the perfect opportunity to gain some needed manpower.

Not enough food?

wabbit42
May 2nd, 2011, 01:18 AM
Great episode and one of my favourites. I don't know why I enjoyed it so much but.... I just did. Here's to Blockade!