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Hagazussa
March 6th, 2011, 11:36 PM
Have anyone here read the Stargate Atlantis comic series? It is called Wraithfall and it was a four issue series produced a few years ago. I am not going to spoil anything about the story in it but I think the series was fun and also well drawn. One thing I did not like however is that wraith is presented as evil and malicious who like torturing people just for the fun of it. One of the things which is so nice about wraiths is that they are dangerous, they are monsters but they are not evil, they just do what they have to to survive, the ones in the comics however acts like if they got a bump on the head, forgot who they where, looked at their hair styles and concluded they had to be drow so it was time to get their evil on and that can be a bit annoying.

I am wondering however, do this comic series exist in a single volume also? I have the individual comics but it would be nice to have it in a single volume visual novel style binding as well.

WraithTech
March 7th, 2011, 06:55 AM
Have anyone here read the Stargate Atlantis comic series? It is called Wraithfall and it was a four issue series produced a few years ago. I am not going to spoil anything about the story in it but I think the series was fun and also well drawn. One thing I did not like however is that wraith is presented as evil and malicious who like torturing people just for the fun of it. One of the things which is so nice about wraiths is that they are dangerous, they are monsters but they are not evil, they just do what they have to to survive, the ones in the comics however acts like if they got a bump on the head, forgot who they where, looked at their hair styles and concluded they had to be drow so it was time to get their evil on and that can be a bit annoying.

I am wondering however, do this comic series exist in a single volume also? I have the individual comics but it would be nice to have it in a single volume visual novel style binding as well.

I have the individual comics too. Mine came in 3 separate comic books.

Drow-like is a good way to describe how most of the Wraith are drawn, especially in the first comic, and act. It was like the artist was getting the feel for drawing the Wraith. Some of the Wraith drawings are modeled after screen caps of the show. The Wraith drawings got more accurate as the story went on.

The Wraith in this story are two-dimensional, comic book bad guys, more interested in Tau'ri style Spanish Inquisition tactics than doing what they had to do to survive. With rampant food shortages, the other Wraith would not be happy with the wastefulness of the group of Wraith in this story.

For the whumpers out there, there is a lot of Sheppard whumping in this story, both physical and emotional. :P

Hagazussa
March 7th, 2011, 03:03 PM
Well wraith do have many similarities to drow, both in appearance and in how their societies are based, however the big difference is that drow is directly evil while wraith is not. I agree that other wraith would not be pleased at the group in the comic's waste of food.

I also have the individual comics in different versions with different covers and the like. They should make more Stargate Atlantis comics and get the wraith right.

WraithTech
March 7th, 2011, 04:59 PM
Well wraith do have many similarities to drow, both in appearance and in how their societies are based, however the big difference is that drow is directly evil while wraith is not. I agree that other wraith would not be pleased at the group in the comic's waste of food.

I also have the individual comics in different versions with different covers and the like. They should make more Stargate Atlantis comics and get the wraith right.

More comics with accurate Wraith stories would be welcomed, especially with Todd. :)

The cover with The Defiant One is a well-done painting, but makes no sense because he isn't in the comics. :P

Hyndara71
March 7th, 2011, 05:54 PM
Who published this comics? Any infos will be welcome. Never heard about this series before.

WraithTech
March 7th, 2011, 06:06 PM
Who published this comics? Any infos will be welcome. Never heard about this series before.

Avatar Press:
http://www.avatarpress.com/stargate/

4 or 5 sample drawings are on the artist's deviantArt page:
http://m-sweeney.deviantart.com/gallery/#/dqcvvh

There is a preview comic and also the regular comic book parts 1, 2, and 3.
http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Avatar_Press

escyos
March 7th, 2011, 06:23 PM
Basically they paid MGM and were allowed to use the stargate franchise. the writers have no say in it and despite what they say MGM does not "approve" each one.


Thusly it is not canon and therefore pays no mention in a sane persons mind.

Hagazussa
March 7th, 2011, 10:37 PM
The cover with The Defiant One is a well-done painting, but makes no sense because he isn't in the comics.

He was there in spirit. After all the Defiant One can spend 10 000 years isolated on a far away planet but still manages to speak perfect English. Nothing is impossible for super wraith. :P

But yes it was a very nice cover.

The comics might not be cannon, but it is still a Stargate product, and it would have been nice to see them give the wraith proper treatment, far to many treat any villain as just evil, evil, evil instead of appreciating villains who have more dimensions than that.

Hyndara71
March 8th, 2011, 02:32 AM
Basically they paid MGM and were allowed to use the stargate franchise. the writers have no say in it and despite what they say MGM does not "approve" each one.


Thusly it is not canon and therefore pays no mention in a sane persons mind.

Oh, I know. Everything a special person said it's not canon isn't canon and no one should spend a single look at it *shakes head in disbelief*.
Canon or not, it's awesome art. And I think MGM should take the decision about what SG-canon is and what not. When Avatarpress spend money to use the franchise they may not be canon but they are something for interest. And I think this counts also for the novels and the audio-books.

Hagazussa
March 8th, 2011, 02:48 AM
I agree that they should make up their minds as to what is canon, and perhaps make some guidelines so that future comics, audio books and novels can actually be canon. That is a problem with the novels actually that some of them have glaring mistakes when it comes to how the Stargate universe works, gates go every which way, in one book for example. If they made some guidelines then books and comics could expand the Stargate universe just as the Star Wars books and games do for that setting.

WraithTech
March 8th, 2011, 04:30 AM
Thusly it is not canon and therefore pays no mention in a sane persons mind.

Many Wiki writers consider the printed material as quasi-canon that should still be documented. With MGM in financial trouble, there is even more interest in Stargate- related products. These documentations help to find and keep track of those products.


He was there in spirit. After all the Defiant One can spend 10 000 years isolated on a far away planet but still manages to speak perfect English. Nothing is impossible for super wraith. :P


You said you have all 4 comics. What all is in the preview issue? Is any of the material different from the 3 storyline comics?

WraithTech
March 8th, 2011, 05:11 AM
I agree that they should make up their minds as to what is canon, and perhaps make some guidelines so that future comics, audio books and novels can actually be canon. That is a problem with the novels actually that some of them have glaring mistakes when it comes to how the Stargate universe works, gates go every which way, in one book for example. If they made some guidelines then books and comics could expand the Stargate universe just as the Star Wars books and games do for that setting.

Even the television series has minor omissions and contradictions. With more than one writer and scripts that are written over the span of years, it is inevitable. Still, the SG universe is a rich and enjoyable one. :D

Bajka20
March 8th, 2011, 07:40 AM
dA page is not active. :o

WraithTech
March 8th, 2011, 07:48 AM
dA page is not active. :o

The whole account was deactivated. That is no fun.

Bajka20
March 8th, 2011, 08:09 AM
The whole account was deactivated. That is no fun.

Too bad. :(

WraithTech
March 8th, 2011, 08:13 AM
Too bad. :(

Yeah, the best picture in the whole series, the double page spread of the Wraith group in the city, was on the account and was the one that made me buy the comics in the first place.

Hagazussa
March 8th, 2011, 04:32 PM
The preview issue have some very nice artwork pages, also there are some notes from the editor, other than that there is nothing different. I would not say it is worth getting unless one is either a completist or you get it cheap. I got it because I got the comics as a lot. That being said the artwork inside is nice. Also I think some of the comic sections are in black and white but I might remember that wrong and are thinking of another comic series.

Almost all settings and series, even with one writer have small mistakes and inconsistencies, and many are enjoyable, however there is inconsistencies and there is inconsistencies, some are more serious than others. I however like to think of the novels as part of the Stargate setting even if it is not completely cannon.

escyos
March 10th, 2011, 07:46 PM
Many Wiki writers consider the printed material as quasi-canon that should still be documented. With MGM in financial trouble, there is even more interest in Stargate- related products. These documentations help to find and keep track of those products.

by "wiki writers" i assume you mean "Jaymach" on the wikia site. He can demote admins so no one else questions him, and he is some "inclusionist" who believes everything is canon. Thus he is the reason why people say that wiki is unreliable, which it is.

WraithTech
March 11th, 2011, 06:08 AM
by "wiki writers" i assume you mean "Jaymach" on the wikia site. He can demote admins so no one else questions him, and he is some "inclusionist" who believes everything is canon. Thus he is the reason why people say that wiki is unreliable, which it is.

I can see by your signature that you are passionate about Stargate and Wiki writing and do not consider the comic to be canon. Perhaps Jaymach takes the opposite approach. I am somewhere in the middle, which reflects the variety of different opinions in regards to the books. Some readers say they are, some say they are not, and some consider them quasi-canon. Footnotes for documenting where the information came from is helpful. The readers can use the sources to decide for themselves if the information in the comics and books is canon or not.

escyos
March 11th, 2011, 08:03 AM
I can see by your signature that you are passionate about Stargate and Wiki writing and do not consider the comic to be canon. Perhaps Jaymach takes the opposite approach. I am somewhere in the middle, which reflects the variety of different opinions in regards to the books. Some readers say they are, some say they are not, and some consider them quasi-canon. Footnotes for documenting where the information came from is helpful. The readers can use the sources to decide for themselves if the information in the comics and books is canon or not.

He uses ANYTHING that has Stargate in the name and considers it canon, changing everything around, and by the comments i have seen (which still continue) many people are confused by it. Example - the Wraith "Bonewhite"....who the hell it that! Apparently it is Kenny. Show of hands how many would call him "Bonewhite".............i see no one has raised their hand. He is a dictator on that wiki and will ban people who show any resistance.

Only like 5% of Stargate fans would read the books, comics etc and only like 0.000001% of fans who read them will edit that wiki.

Hagazussa
March 11th, 2011, 11:35 AM
Bonewhite can not be Kenny. In Homecoming Todd is mushing over who will replace him as leader of the alliance and Bonewhite is on the short list of candidates. However Kenny is the one who betrayed him and build the super Hive as if I am not mistaken by the time of Homecoming Kenny is dead.

The way I would prefer it in a Wiki is if all information available is there from the series, novels, audiobooks, computer games, novels anything. However that all information not from the series itself are marked and then it is said that this information comes from the comics and this information come from whatever. That way we get all the information, however it is made clear whatever or not the information is from the TV series itself or some other source.

WraithTech
March 11th, 2011, 12:03 PM
Bonewhite can not be Kenny. In Homecoming Todd is mushing over who will replace him as leader of the alliance and Bonewhite is on the short list of candidates. However Kenny is the one who betrayed him and build the super Hive as if I am not mistaken by the time of Homecoming Kenny is dead.

The way I would prefer it in a Wiki is if all information available is there from the series, novels, audiobooks, computer games, novels anything. However that all information not from the series itself are marked and then it is said that this information comes from the comics and this information come from whatever. That way we get all the information, however it is made clear whatever or not the information is from the TV series itself or some other source.

I like source-marking and knowing what all is available to purchase too.

Kenny didn't take the ZPM-powered hive. That was a different Wraith with different hair and tattoos. Kenny has a forked tattoo under his eye; the other Wraith has a pair of tattoos on his forehead.

Here is the EATG transcript and credits, which never list Kenny:
http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s5/transcripts/520.shtml

Here are photos of the different Wraith that actor portrayed, all of which were different:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_ITtIYCKqljU/THVprwf4nuI/AAAAAAAAADo/1Osakx6wZmQ/s400/Kenny.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_ITtIYCKqljU/THVphKDe8nI/AAAAAAAAADU/guKvJ_ESxzM/s400/Jareth.jpeg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_ITtIYCKqljU/THVsYol_BiI/AAAAAAAAAFw/DGKlK-oK0G8/s800/Tubbs.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_ITtIYCKqljU/THVrva406oI/AAAAAAAAAE8/mqE5AV2mZ6Y/s400/Rhys.JPG


On page 36 of Homecoming, Todd thought Bonewhite would be the most likely candidate for commanding the hive in his absence. Author Melissa Scott posted some of their photos on her LiveJourmal account. Kenny, with his forked tattoo, is Bonewhite.
http://mescott.livejournal.com/4096.html

Hagazussa
March 11th, 2011, 12:53 PM
I thought Kenny where Todd's second in command who made the super hive and took the ZPMs. Did not Todd say his second in command betrayed him?

Hum...is something wrong with the feeding organ of the Wraith on the last picture, it looks very red and half open, or have just make up made it a bit strange this time?

WraithTech
March 11th, 2011, 01:01 PM
I thought Kenny where Todd's second in command who made the super hive and took the ZPMs. Did not Todd say his second in command betrayed him?

Hum...is something wrong with the feeding organ of the Wraith on the last picture, it looks very red and half open, or have just make up made it a bit strange this time?

It is open to get ready to convert Ronon some more in "Broken Ties." :P


Todd refers to the traitorous "EATG" Wraith as an underling and a scientist, but not his Second:

TODD: It wasn't pilot error – I was attacked by one of my underlings.

and

TODD: I put my best scientists to work on this project and recently one of them succeeded.

http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s5/transcripts/520.shtml

Hagazussa
March 11th, 2011, 01:06 PM
It is open to get ready to convert Ronon some more in "Broken Ties."

An yes, that would explain it. :P


Todd refers to the traitorous "EATG" Wraith as an underling and a scientist, but not his Second:

TODD: It wasn't pilot error – I was attacked by one of my underlings.

and

TODD: I put my best scientists to work on this project and recently one of them succeeded.

Yes you are right, he never said it was his second in command who betrayed him. So Kenny the second in command did not betray Todd and is still alive lurking about the Pegasus galaxy?

WraithTech
March 11th, 2011, 01:09 PM
An yes, that would explain it. :P



Yes you are right, he never said it was his second in command who betrayed him. So Kenny the second in command did not betray Todd and is still alive lurking about the Pegasus galaxy?

He also has drones to wipe off his hand. ;)

That is what I am going with. :) I also think he would have warned the Lanteans if it was Kenny, because they would know him.

Leeta
March 11th, 2011, 02:12 PM
I hope I'm not interrupting anything but I thought I'd share this picture from one of the comics that made me laugh.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1434/908539sgawf2bsuper.jpg

Is Greg's brother out to get revenge on Sheppard for Greg's death? :eek:

WraithTech
March 11th, 2011, 02:19 PM
Is Greg's brother out to get revenge on Sheppard for Greg's death? :eek:

*ponders Greg's brother with fluffy hair and single goatee* :)

The Flyattractor
March 11th, 2011, 03:30 PM
I thought it was a pretty good read except for the very end.
Or as in how they "defeated" the Wraith.

escyos
March 11th, 2011, 09:16 PM
Bonewhite can not be Kenny. In Homecoming Todd is mushing over who will replace him as leader of the alliance and Bonewhite is on the short list of candidates. However Kenny is the one who betrayed him and build the super Hive as if I am not mistaken by the time of Homecoming Kenny is dead.

The way I would prefer it in a Wiki is if all information available is there from the series, novels, audiobooks, computer games, novels anything. However that all information not from the series itself are marked and then it is said that this information comes from the comics and this information come from whatever. That way we get all the information, however it is made clear whatever or not the information is from the TV series itself or some other source.

Well the wikia site uses the same citation templates for everything so if you were simply reading you wouldnt notice. Ever notice how when that site is mentioned all people do is complain, its because it is untrustworthy, unlike my site.

Hagazussa
March 11th, 2011, 10:17 PM
He also has drones to wipe off his hand.

Off course, that is what drones is there for. :P


That is what I am going with. I also think he would have warned the Lanteans if it was Kenny, because they would know him.

Yes you are probably right about that.


I hope I'm not interrupting anything but I thought I'd share this picture from one of the comics that made me laugh.

I love Teyla's expression in that on she is like:

Oh, mental retardation happens in Wraith to I guess, perhaps the Queen dropped his pod when he was little, oh well I guess we have to fight them now. :P


Well the wikia site uses the same citation templates for everything so if you were simply reading you wouldnt notice. Ever notice how when that site is mentioned all people do is complain, its because it is untrustworthy, unlike my site.

I agree that there should be some sort of marking that information comes from a non cannon source. And if everyone is complaining about a site then there is probably something wrong with it. That being said, non cannon information can be very useful to.