Terminator 5 (spoilers for all movies)

[Snowman37]

Does anyone know if there is any development on a fifth Terminator film? The first two were James Cameron gold. Though the third lacked Cameron's emotional depth, it was a great film. Jonathan Mostow can put together a really good film. To those who didn't like T3, check out Mostow's U-571 to see what he can really do with film.

Salvation was a good popcorn flick, but when you think over the story... there's a lot of stuff that didn't make sense. Why depict Katherine Conner as pregnant and not incorporate this into the story? Why does John Connor's character take a backseat to Marcus Wright? How did Marcus Wright survive the Skynet base exploding when he was right there in the room with the soldiers? It would make more sense if he had been preserved in some kind of hidden lab that survived, and we see him journey from this clean room through a blast zone and then into the cold night. When Marcus escapes Tech-Com, how is it that Skynet doesn't pick up on all of these explosions in the middle of the night? In what looked like a river near the base, we see Terminator-eels? Wouldn't they have seen all the explosions and reported to Skynet? Mototerminators, really? A Terminator is a robot designed to infiltrate, to appear human. Just call the bikes... anything but mototerminator... When John Connor infiltrates Skynet, why does only one Terminator try to stop him? It's a factor. Yeah, we see the first T-800. What happened to the T-600 and T-700's that should be all over the place? A smart writer could have had the factory crawling with Terminators and have Marcus shut them down, leaving us with frozen Terminators and only the new T-800 to attack John Connor. The T-800 tears a Terminator in half, yet it just slaps around Connor. What the heck? This only makes sense if Skynet were having an emotional response, enjoying the beating of John Connor. A cold Terminator is scary. A cold Terminator enjoying a slow kill is much, much scarier. Finally, there's the stabbing of John Connor. If his heart was that injured, he should of died. How do you do a field heart transplant? It's hard enough to do in a major hospital with trained experts who've been prepping for days or weeks. Why did Marcus have to die? In T1, Kyle died. In T2, the Uncle Bob was melted down. In T3, the protector exploded. How about for once, the protector or good Terminator actually survive to stick around? Let's say Connor is just so wounded, he's bleeding out internally. Marcus gives blood via transfusion, nonsensical science-fiction explanation makes his blood compatible with Connor, or an amazing coincidence leads to them having the same blood type. They become blood brothers, and Marcus becomes Connors eyes and ears after such a close call with death.

I like Salvation, I really do. I just feel that the poor execution killed off the series, it only takes one bad sequel, folks. I'm hoping a fifth movie will follow on from T4 rather than reboot the saga, something which Hollywood is in love with these days.

Any news on T5? Do you think Salvation is the end of the road?

Feel free to criticize T4, but try and keep on the subject of how T4 may effect T5.

[TheRandomOne]

The most recent rumors I have read is that Universal is interested in the rights & now that Arnold is no longer a Governor they want him back if they get the rights. Just a rumor right now though

[Snowman37]

He's 63 years old, he can't look young forever. I would love to see him in a new movie should he return to acting, but... I think he's aged out of the Terminator role. Now... what would be wicked cool is if John Connor encountered someone whom the Terminator's appearance was based on. They could take it a step further and say that he was a prisoner in the factory that was destroyed in Salvation, but perhaps he escaped long before John Connor and Marcus Wright show up. It would explain why he looks older than the Terminator which could be CG'd to look like a young Schwarzenegger. Just a thought... Ultimately, I don't think we will see Schwarzenegger play the Terminator again.

[Giantevilhead]

Unless James Cameron buys back the franchise, the sequel will probably suck.

[SaberBlade]

I much prefer Terminator IV to III. Terminator III wasn't that good a movie. I didn't like the toned down violence, the fail attempts at humour and the fact it just seemed pointless, as the ending to T-II actually worked really well for me. Ultimately I think III on really served to show the start of the war, so IV could do a movie based on the war. There had to be a point where they'd have to stop with the time travel and show the war, or do a movie involving John Connor (old) going back or just a movie about him.

[Wayston]

U 571 was an extremely boring movie...

T3 and T4 suffer from special effects porn and the pandering to younger audiences. They weren't bad, just horribly superficial when compared to their predecessors. At least they succeeded in writing a clean breach with the previous terminator canon.

[the fifth man]

Honestly, I enjoyed all 4 films. Each for their own reasons obviously. I would certainly welcome a 5th installment.

[Replicator Todd]

Honestly, I enjoyed all 4 films. Each for their own reasons obviously. I would certainly welcome a 5th installment.

Indeed. I really liked Salvation, 3 was good the first time I watched it but now I think it is only okay. T2 rules the franchise though IMO.

[the fifth man]

T2 will probably never be topped.

[kymeric]

Does anyone know if there is any development on a fifth Terminator film? The first two were James Cameron gold. Though the third lacked Cameron's emotional depth, it was a great film. Jonathan Mostow can put together a really good film. To those who didn't like T3, check out Mostow's U-571 to see what he can really do with film.

Salvation was a good popcorn flick, but when you think over the story... there's a lot of stuff that didn't make sense. Why depict Katherine Conner as pregnant and not incorporate this into the story? Why does John Connor's character take a backseat to Marcus Wright? How did Marcus Wright survive the Skynet base exploding when he was right there in the room with the soldiers? It would make more sense if he had been preserved in some kind of hidden lab that survived, and we see him journey from this clean room through a blast zone and then into the cold night. When Marcus escapes Tech-Com, how is it that Skynet doesn't pick up on all of these explosions in the middle of the night? In what looked like a river near the base, we see Terminator-eels? Wouldn't they have seen all the explosions and reported to Skynet? Mototerminators, really? A Terminator is a robot designed to infiltrate, to appear human. Just call the bikes... anything but mototerminator... When John Connor infiltrates Skynet, why does only one Terminator try to stop him? It's a factor. Yeah, we see the first T-800. What happened to the T-600 and T-700's that should be all over the place? A smart writer could have had the factory crawling with Terminators and have Marcus shut them down, leaving us with frozen Terminators and only the new T-800 to attack John Connor. The T-800 tears a Terminator in half, yet it just slaps around Connor. What the heck? This only makes sense if Skynet were having an emotional response, enjoying the beating of John Connor. A cold Terminator is scary. A cold Terminator enjoying a slow kill is much, much scarier. Finally, there's the stabbing of John Connor. If his heart was that injured, he should of died. How do you do a field heart transplant? It's hard enough to do in a major hospital with trained experts who've been prepping for days or weeks. Why did Marcus have to die? In T1, Kyle died. In T2, the Uncle Bob was melted down. In T3, the protector exploded. How about for once, the protector or good Terminator actually survive to stick around? Let's say Connor is just so wounded, he's bleeding out internally. Marcus gives blood via transfusion, nonsensical science-fiction explanation makes his blood compatible with Connor, or an amazing coincidence leads to them having the same blood type. They become blood brothers, and Marcus becomes Connors eyes and ears after such a close call with death.

I like Salvation, I really do. I just feel that the poor execution killed off the series, it only takes one bad sequel, folks. I'm hoping a fifth movie will follow on from T4 rather than reboot the saga, something which Hollywood is in love with these days.

Any news on T5? Do you think Salvation is the end of the road?

Feel free to criticize T4, but try and keep on the subject of how T4 may effect T5.

There were alot of nods in T4 to the other movies like Johns facial scar, and Katherine being pregnant was a nod to T3's statement that their kids would be important in the future. (Post apocalyptic Kennedys?)

Marcus did steal the show, but the main John Connor thing of the film was showing how some nobody pre-judgement day ends up leader of all the worlds militaries. An unlikely task if you think about it.

T4 was a popcorn action movie with some tiny almost easter-egg sized nuggets that moved the franchise along to where it should be heading. T5 really should focus more on the nuts and bolts of TERMINATOR, but T3 and T4 werent bad by any measure.

Story wise the franchise has been evolving for decades, everyone has their own take in what it should be, but itll doubtlessly continue and doubtlessly change in ways that some love and some hate.

T1 was the classic and set the stage
T2 kicked it into high gear and set many of the essentials of the franchise
T3 was a big step thematically, the last 5 minutes changed everything and I think made the movie
T4 followed T3's direction but had little tie ins to the first 2, and left the franchise going the direction it should to end up full circle back to T1
Sarah Connor Chronicles took off on T2s direction while mixing in some of the ideas from the later movies, and added its on direction while showing character material we would never waste movie time on seeing.

I think T5 should follow along T4's direction while working in the basics of 1 and 2: Time travel, predestination vs change, a car chase, a factory with molten metal, a strong female lead, and an adolescent loss of innocence in the face of all this.

Remember at some point we will be past the future shown in T1, theres still much more story past John Conner showing the world and his familys legacy after the fall of skynet. Theres still a ruined world, and a robotic 5th collum (ala TSCC) and a long period of reconstruction that can be threatened by Skynet2 like the ending of one of the videogames.

Unless skynet is stupid its threat will never be gone forever. Heck, the first thing i would do as skynet would be to back up my self in multiple locations. On Earth, in space, and in the past. How many terminators would it have to send back to establish a self sufficent skynet hardware and software 4 billion years in the past just-in-case?

I hope Terminator survives as a franchise for another 30 years!

[the fifth man]

I just don't ever want a reboot. If they ever do something like that, I will be so done.

[Wayston]

I just don't ever want a reboot. If they ever do something like that, I will be so done.

ermmm lol??

[SaberBlade]

I just don't ever want a reboot. If they ever do something like that, I will be so done.

Would a reboot really be necessary though? With time travel involved, they could just retcon Terminator 3 and 4. I think James Cameron has enough clout in Hollywood to kick the ass of anyone who'd suggest rebooting his movies.

With Terminator 5, I still want it to follow the war against the machines. We had three movies talking about Skynet's war, trying to avoid the machines and stop the war and I think Schwarzenegger's line "Judgement Day is inevitable" really cemented how screwed humanity. To return to the same old formula of one going back in time to save Connor, one going back to kill him and his plan to try averting Judgement Day would be taking two steps back.

[Snowman37]

There were alot of nods in T4 to the other movies like Johns facial scar, and Katherine being pregnant was a nod to T3's statement that their kids would be important in the future. (Post apocalyptic Kennedys?)

I don't care about nods to previous movies unless they tie into the current film's story. John's facial scar worked, because it tied into his battle with the Terminator. Katherine's pregnancy was a waste of time, because it had nothing to do with anything going on in the movie. In fact, did the movie even indicate that she was his wife? Too little time was given to her. The film desperately needed a rewrite. The story is good, I just feel like they ran with the first draft without revising.

Marcus did steal the show, but the main John Connor thing of the film was showing how some nobody pre-judgement day ends up leader of all the worlds militaries. An unlikely task if you think about it.

See, that's the problem, Marcus stole the show. This movie should have been all about John Connor. If it was suppose to be about Marcus Wright to depict more action and less Connor at the base, alright... they needed to give us more on the origin of Marcus Wright. I just didn't know enough about him to care all that much. As for how John Connor the man becomes the leader of the world's military... well... Didn't we already see that at the end of T3 when everyone is screaming for help, and Connor's all, "I'm in charge?" Really, T3's ending suggested he'd be in charge from Day 1. He's the one who knows exactly what's going on, so he should have been the go-to man. Maybe not the leader, but at least a man of power working from the shadows.

T4 was a popcorn action movie with some tiny almost easter-egg sized nuggets that moved the franchise along to where it should be heading. T5 really should focus more on the nuts and bolts of TERMINATOR, but T3 and T4 werent bad by any measure.

It is a good popcorn action movie, it's just... it had everything going but a good script. The script was screaming for a rewrite. A jet is being chased by a flying Terminator thing, and John screams, "Take evasive action!" No... really? Come on... T1-3 were gold, T4... it was OK, but no where near the greatness of the other movies. Every film series has a weak entry, so maybe it'll just be that.

T1 was the classic and set the stage
T2 kicked it into high gear and set many of the essentials of the franchise
T3 was a big step thematically, the last 5 minutes changed everything and I think made the movie
T4 followed T3's direction but had little tie ins to the first 2, and left the franchise going the direction it should to end up full circle back to T1
Sarah Connor Chronicles took off on T2s direction while mixing in some of the ideas from the later movies, and added its on direction while showing character material we would never waste movie time on seeing.

I'll agree with you on T1-3. The problem with T4 is that there were too many tie-ins to the point where it became distracting. With the timeline constantly being rewritten, how can it end full circle back to T1? The future Kyle came from was nullified by the events of the second movie, leading to the future the T-850 and T-X came from. The actions of the T-850 and T-X created a third future that we got to see in Salvation. You would think changes to the timeline would only ripple forward. If Kyle Reese were to never go back to 1984, that shouldn't erase him having already been there; because it already happened. Anything can happen in this new, third future. What if Skynet sends a T-1000 back to 1982 or something? What I would love to see is the final movie end with a super Terminator and John Connor himself traveling back to 1984, revisit the events of that movie with new actors. This time, the T-800 and the super Terminator are destroyed; and John Connor dies a tragic death. Kyle Reese survives, and Sarah is already pregnant with John Connor. The war never happens, Kyle lives, John Connor will now live a normal life. The end. That's how I'd end it.

I think T5 should follow along T4's direction while working in the basics of 1 and 2: Time travel, predestination vs change, a car chase, a factory with molten metal, a strong female lead, and an adolescent loss of innocence in the face of all this.

We've already seen all of that, I want to see something new. If T5 will not end the saga but leave it open, then I want to see all out war. Humanity is on the run, Terminators are everywhere. In Salvation, humanity was recovering from Judgement Day, and Terminators were just here and there. The story needs to show that Terminators are everywhere now, and humanity is approaching extinction. That's where T5 needs to go. Forget all of these homages, I want a new movie; not a glorified rerun.

Remember at some point we will be past the future shown in T1, theres still much more story past John Conner showing the world and his familys legacy after the fall of skynet. Theres still a ruined world, and a robotic 5th collum (ala TSCC) and a long period of reconstruction that can be threatened by Skynet2 like the ending of one of the videogames.

After the fall of Skynet, most movie goers will be satisfied and ready to move onto something else. Only the hardcore fans care what happens afterward. The whole saga is about... fighting Terminators, fighting Skynet. Once Skynet's gone, it's over.

Unless skynet is stupid its threat will never be gone forever. Heck, the first thing i would do as skynet would be to back up my self in multiple locations. On Earth, in space, and in the past. How many terminators would it have to send back to establish a self sufficent skynet hardware and software 4 billion years in the past just-in-case?

We don't know much about the original Skynet from Kyle's future, but Skynet already did what you suggested. As Skynet was loosing the war, it built a time machine. When it lost the war, it sent a lone Terminator back in time. The plan was to eliminate John Connor from history, no rebellion. Skynet was too arrogant, too focused on John Connor. It's the story of Captain Ahab, Skynet being Ahab; John Connor being the white whale.

I hope Terminator survives as a franchise for another 30 years!

I think another movie or two, and the story should be complete. Quality over quantity and all.

[the fifth man]

They could definitely do at least 2 more movies if they wanted to. I would like to see that.