Are Earth'sTechnological advantage against LA eroding?

[ckwongau]

The Lucian Alliance is believe to be planning an attack against Earth soon.
What happen to all the Asgard ,Ancient technologies acquire over the years.

The Lucian Alliance are using Goa'uld technologies.
They may have a lot more Goa'uld technologies than Earth.
But Earth has the entire knowledge of the Asgard, a copy of Ancient database.The control of the Ancient City starship Atlantis.

We even have access to Wraith Technologies , a few capture Wraith Dart could give SGC the advantage of off world troop deployment. Using beaming buffer to store weapon , ammo , and troops .Easily travel through star gate , Earth troops can quickly secure offworld air space.

Earh also has leaning device can download a person's memories and experience into other people 's brain. They could train new pilot and scientist quickly .


The Lucian Alliance seems to be trainning new scientist as well. Children are send to their school and taught with the up to date Goa'uld technologies.
Their education system can train competent scientist like Ginn.Gunn even manage to studies Ancient system for her mission to invade Destiny.
Somehow the Lucian ALiiance also has access to some Ancient technologies. Like the device the LA force use to open Destiny's door

[Wayston]

Yes I think it's quite safe to say that the LA is trying its best to also pick up equipment and technologies from the ancients and they already have loads of the good stuff from the goa'uld.

People who don't consider the LA to be a credible threat are simply too short sighted.

[garhkal]

Slight correction. YES we have the asgard database.. BUT that does not mean we have all their knowledge. Like with any database it takes time to go through it. See Unending (Sg1 s10) see how long it took carter to go though to test what.. 4 theories out?

[General Jumper One]

and Atlantis is like out of drones and so is the chair, so we can't use that

[Gurluas]

The chair still has drones, the chair was merely destroyed.

[Aewon]

No, it isn't. It was refilled in "The Tower" and has hardly been used since. But I'd bet a part of the LA plan for the attack on Earth is taking over Atlantis during the opening phases of the attack. As for our weapons and shield technologies, it has to be pointed out that it's based on Asgard technology, which is far inferior to Ancient and, yes, Ori technology. There is no way the Asgard could have invented a beam weapon that could penetrate Ori shields through sheer strength. Chances are they scanned the Ori Cruisers during the Battle of the Supergate and learned that they used shield frequencies similar to that of the Ancients, and thus found a way past the shields.

That said, I don't think the Asgard beam weapons are anywhere near as powerful as people think, whereas the Lucian Alliance might have developed shield and weapons technology beyond what Earth is currently capable of. I mean, Anubis was able to upgrade a few Ha'tak to be more powerful than Beliskner-class warships. I don't think all of those ships were destroyed over Earth. And that's not counting what Ancient technology the LA might have gotten their hands on.

[thekillman]

i don't think it's technology per se but rather understanding and comprehension. the LA is clearly catching up in the physics department, developing and gathering technologies to counter earth technologies, rather than matching them in raw power.

[webxro]

As for our weapons and shield technologies, it has to be pointed out that it's based on Asgard technology, which is far inferior to Ancient and, yes, Ori technology. There is no way the Asgard could have invented a beam weapon that could penetrate Ori shields through sheer strength. Chances are they scanned the Ori Cruisers during the Battle of the Supergate and learned that they used shield frequencies similar to that of the Ancients, and thus found a way past the shields.


Did you see how many hits did the shields take on AoT , or how efficient is the weapon against the hives and the Aurora

And comparing Tau'ri with the Lucian , well all can i say is that you can tell much about the evacuation method , let's compare the evacuation of Phoenix in 4x20 with the , oh i forgot the LA don't really escape ;

[General Jumper One]

No, it isn't. It was refilled in "The Tower" and has hardly been used since.

Did you see the finale of Atlantis, we used them all on the super hive ship

[morbosfist]

Did you see the finale of Atlantis, we used them all on the super hive shipNowhere in the episode is that said to be true. They never even suggest that ammo is an issue. Even if they did, the drones at the Antarctic outpost could be transplanted.

[The Swarm]

Yep, even if Atlantis ran out of drones they could just add the ones from the destoryed chair in Area 51.

[garhkal]

The chair still has drones, the chair was merely destroyed.

BUt without the chair to control it, those are useless... since at this timme there is NO indication chairs can be moved from one site to another/control drones at a diff site.. Otherwise when Atlantis was here, they could have used IT to activate the drones from antartica (unless they need a physical connection)..




i don't think it's technology per se but rather understanding and comprehension. the LA is clearly catching up in the physics department, developing and gathering technologies to counter earth technologies, rather than matching them in raw power.



Agreed. They have our Lust for knowledge and power.. Plus with telford being a spy, whos to say tehy don't have others feeding them info from other aspects of our society..
Like 1 or two people in each company the SGC 'farms tech' out to for research.

[Steelbox]

BUT without the chair to control it, those are useless... since at this timme there is NO indication chairs can be moved from one site to another/control drones at a diff site.. [brake, BRAKE! Wait what?]

You must be having a mind block or a stroke. The Chair was moved from the Antarctica outpost to Area 51. Carter said so to Sheppard in EATG. And Atlantis controled the drones that where exchanged from the Tower otherwise she woudn't have near enough drones to fight the super-hive.

[Nth Chevron]

As i see it, the LA arent caught up with us just yet, i'd say the LA are to us, what we were to the Goa'uld in season 7/8, far behind but learning fast.

I have a feeling the LA are training scientists and troops and copying our methods, small teams to infiltrate and neutralize/secure (like Kiva's group heading to Destiny) the scientists are probably perfecting and boosting what they already know, although i doubt they will frontal assault Earth, it would be a massacre for them. I would say they are pumping out ships and forces to secure more of the galaxy to improve their collective power, which unfortunately they would wield against us only because we are their common threat.

I see the coming war as a galaxy wide cold war between us and the LA, continual build-up and development, covert strikes and intelligence gathering (as seen with the LA on Earth and having a hold over Telford) but that said, who knows what other technical specs Telford passed to the LA during his tenure as their inside man. That more than what the LA can do now, scares me.

There is also the old argument of quantity over quality and vice versa.

N.C

[g.o.d]

all they need are few cloaked cargo ships full of naquadah and bombs. Only an idiot would would use a frontal attack followed by a full scale invasion. Earth is very vulnerable against any kind of sneak attacks. Earth's technological advancements are uselless against LA

[greenguywithlasereye]

what earth needs is something else discovered from the asgard core that can detect cloaked ships w/o the ships knowing theyre being scanned [or very difficult to know].

merlins out of phase tech is like cloaking but we havent done that w/our 304s yet have we? i forget...anyway yeah some sort of cloak-intercepting radar would help in the short term.

long term advantages might only come w/convincing LA worker bees who theyre supporting and think twice about it which of course not going to be easy.

[webxro]

There could be a few things that could stop a sneak attack

1.Planetary shield , composed by many small shields bundled together ( not working if the jump out of hyperspace in the shield )
2.Nanobotic minefield ( the same problem as the shield )
3.Hyperspace jamming a device that would force any ship to drop out of hyperspace on a certain range around earth (aka a tiny Attero device that emits on a much larger band stopping all hyperspace windows ) that would require to move the gate to the moon and travel there with rings or asgard beaming , combine that with a planetary wide shield and you have a anti-clocked ships planet

[Gala]

Asgard laser defense satelites??

[blazingfire]

There could be a few things that could stop a sneak attack

1.Planetary shield , composed by many small shields bundled together ( not working if the jump out of hyperspace in the shield )
2.Nanobotic minefield ( the same problem as the shield )
3.Hyperspace jamming a device that would force any ship to drop out of hyperspace on a certain range around earth (aka a tiny Attero device that emits on a much larger band stopping all hyperspace windows ) that would require to move the gate to the moon and travel there with rings or asgard beaming , combine that with a planetary wide shield and you have a anti-clocked ships planet

I think everyone would be suspicious to see sudden flares in the sky when the planetary shield gets impacted, although they could pass it off as auroras....

[webxro]

I think everyone would be suspicious to see sudden flares in the sky when the planetary shield gets impacted, although they could pass it off as auroras....

if you go for option 3 the altitude is to big to see something , if people didn't see the superhive exploding you won't see the shield hit

[garhkal]

You must be having a mind block or a stroke. The Chair was moved from the Antarctica outpost to Area 51. Carter said so to Sheppard in EATG. And Atlantis controled the drones that where exchanged from the Tower otherwise she woudn't have near enough drones to fight the super-hive.

BUT that was th same chair that was used.. not a diferent one. I was more on about do we know if chair X from pllace Y could be alternated in for chair B..


3.Hyperspace jamming a device that would force any ship to drop out of hyperspace on a certain range around earth (aka a tiny Attero device that emits on a much larger band stopping all hyperspace windows ) that would require to move the gate to the moon and travel there with rings or asgard beaming , combine that with a planetary wide shield and you have a anti-clocked ships planet

Being the Attero device that was made for that purpose was destoyed, and we had not much of a chance to go over it, i doubt we could recreate it. PLUS you do remember the side effect of it.

[webxro]

Being the Attero device that was made for that purpose was destoyed, and we had not much of a chance to go over it, i doubt we could recreate it. PLUS you do remember the side effect of it.


that's why it has a limited range ( Earth ) and the SG is on the moon , the transport is made with a asgard beam , and the Attero was complicated and designed to jam a specific frequency galaxy-wide this is all the subspace frequencies and a very small range

[Retro_Invasion]

That's always been an issue with these shows. There is no way to hide giant spacecraft in earth orbit (except with cloaks).

IMO, earth has to do something about cloaked LA Al-Kesh ships coming and going as they please. That is a worse threat than any big ships.

[garhkal]

that's why it has a limited range ( Earth ) and the SG is on the moon , the transport is made with a asgard beam , and the Attero was complicated and designed to jam a specific frequency galaxy-wide this is all the subspace frequencies and a very small range

You still don't suggest how they even go about making it..

[webxro]

Is it that hard to make something that jams every frequency, this means creating a device that transmits on all frequencies but on a limited range?If yes then jam only the goa'uld frequencies

[morbosfist]

The Attero device didn't jam frequencies. What it did was broadcast energy into subspace on the same frequency as Wraith hyperdrives, thereby destabilizing the window that forms during the jump. It'd be monumentally difficult to design something to transmit on every conceivable frequency, though admittedly getting the Goa'uld frequency would not be difficult, not to mention limiting its effective range to such a small area.

[garhkal]

Is it that hard to make something that jams every frequency, this means creating a device that transmits on all frequencies but on a limited range?If yes then jam only the goa'uld frequencies

As an electronics technician who deals wih comms, radars, freqs and such Yes it is. Think of it like this.
For me to jam radio station XYZ, i have to A) match their freq, and B) match or exceed the power output they are on.
For me to jam all freqs in say a specific band at the same time, i not only have to meet A) but B) all at the same time. Which is why one of our Counter measures we use against jamming is called freq hopping/.

And do we know that the Gou'ald hyperdrives all operate on the same freq? Or that there IS a freq?


It'd be monumentally difficult to design something to transmit on every conceivable frequency, though admittedly getting the Goa'uld frequency would not be difficult, not to mention limiting its effective range to such a small area.

Plus it would also hurt the Tok'ra and the free Jaffa nation

[webxro]

Only around Earth at a range 120.000 km maximum so no harm is done unless it goes into the atmosphere , and what allies would want to sneak want to sneak around ?

[robbo006]

Perhaps an alliance with the Ori would do the job. Between their ships, troops and their satellite technology which destroyed the Prometheus there would be a solid defense there. Not counting any new technology that them may be able to provide.

[thekillman]

how about a radically different way: we provide help to the people of the galaxy.

[SG-17]

First, the Lucian Alliance doesn't know about Atlantis. Second, while the chair was moved to Area 51 the drone platform itself is still in Antarctica. Third, Atlantis has three near-fully charged ZPMs, its shield will be impenetrable to simple Goa'uld weapons fire. Fourth, we have 5 BC-304s with Asgard shields and weapons, plus one with a ZPM, more are probably already nearing completion as well. Fifth, Sam has already adapted our Arthur's Mantle to bring the entire planet out of phase and we have ZPMs to power it.