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erotavlas
December 2nd, 2010, 07:47 PM
I'm referring to Rush's talk with Eli on the bridge when he reiterates how talented Eli is. I think that this can put too much pressure on him. It can also provide later on an inflated sense of self that he will feel like he does not have to try hard to accomplish anything (i.e. he is so smart that all the solutions to everything in life will be easy to come by and require minimal effort)

Or do you think Eli is able to handle it and that on Destiny he will learn that hard work is required to achieve greatness?

Pharaoh Atem
December 2nd, 2010, 07:48 PM
maybe rush wants Eli to him to follow in his footsteps. in a none murdering way of course :P

sgc
December 2nd, 2010, 08:20 PM
maybe rush wants Eli to him to follow in his footsteps. in a none murdering way of course :P

When i saw that i went "eeee..... :yuanime01:".. I think Rush doesn't want Eli to get him killed :]

Vn70072
December 2nd, 2010, 10:20 PM
Eli is brilliant but unaccomplished, and he has no formal training for normal SGC stuff, let alone the situation the Icarus personnel found themselves in. I think being reminded from time to time is good, particularly with what he's going through with some of the recent casualties. I wouldn't rate it impossible for Eli's ego to overinflate, but I'd consider it unlikely, because it's a bit underinflated at the moment.

pipi
December 3rd, 2010, 12:25 AM
That statement makes him appear disabled, oh wait I meant specially gifted.

thekillman
December 3rd, 2010, 12:43 AM
Eli has talent and potential but never used it. while on Destiny, he is using it but now that he's lost Gynn he has become a slacker again.


Eli also has potential because he's learning both from Young AND Rush, both talented, good people who made mistakes

Galileo_Galilee
December 3rd, 2010, 07:20 AM
Used sparingly it is a good thing. But if it's used too much the danger is a person can become an egomaniac and very self centered. Because it's the same thing as spoiling your child. What happens when a child is spoiled?

And yes, I'd like to see where this leads to myself. Hopefully we'll see Eli mature and go even farther than Rush or Young and fulfill his true destiny.

sgc
December 3rd, 2010, 02:27 PM
Used sparingly it is a good thing. But if it's used too much the danger is a person can become an egomaniac and very self centered. Because it's the same thing as spoiling your child. What happens when a child is spoiled?

And yes, I'd like to see where this leads to myself. Hopefully we'll see Eli mature and go even farther than Rush or Young and fulfill his true destiny.

I agree, but I highly doubt that Eli could become a self-centered egomaniac.

Galileo_Galilee
December 3rd, 2010, 04:02 PM
I don't think so either, but that is always the risk one takes when they're being told they're a god among men all the time.

Sometimes regardless of age and experience in the field.

erotavlas
December 3rd, 2010, 04:22 PM
I agree, but I highly doubt that Eli could become a self-centered egomaniac.

he's still young, there's plenty of time to develop the egomaniac inside .....mwahahaha:D

sgc
December 3rd, 2010, 04:30 PM
he's still young, there's plenty of time to develop the egomaniac inside .....mwahahaha:D

LOL I guess, but still he should have more of a resistance to it because he wasn't like that as a child. He's the one who genuinely cares about others and sadly he doesn't have high self-esteem, which is why the others were conversing with him about it in "Resurgence". If he starts becoming an egomaniac, they will know when to stop.

Aurora24
December 3rd, 2010, 06:51 PM
I got the feeling that it was Rush's attempt to try to relate to Eli. They both just lost the woman they loved, so Rush empathized with him. I got the feeling that Rush wasn't sure, or perhaps not very good at talking about what Eli was feeling, so he was trying to tell Eli that even though he lost someone he loved, that Eli should not let the pain he was feeling overwhelm him.

smart
December 3rd, 2010, 08:58 PM
I believe Rush was trying to draw Eli to a path which was more like his- in that he should not develop a great deal of emotional attachments and instead focus on the mission of Destiny , by using all of his extraordinary abilities. Essentially, I thought Rush was suggesting that success can always bring Eli great reward as oppossed to the difficulties of having personal relationships.

mjwalshe
December 4th, 2010, 02:00 PM
maybe rush wants Eli to him to follow in his footsteps. in a none murdering way of course :P

that was the way I took it Rush wants to mould Eli in his image.

sgc
December 5th, 2010, 01:18 AM
that was the way I took it Rush wants to mould Eli in his image.

I'm pretty sure that even Rush knows that not everything he's done was the right thing. I'm thinking that he just didn't want Eli to kill them all by making a preventable mistake.

Wayston
December 5th, 2010, 02:11 AM
I had the impression that Rush was talking to Eli as if he were talking to himself. Rush considers himself to be special. A lot of people in crucial positions consider themselves special and privileged, always warranting special treatment when there's sacrifices to be made. He wants to make Eli a disciple of this line of thought. Although he may have went well, it had a tone of a dark jedi speech in it. I wonder where he would have gone if Young hadn't interrupted them.

Eli being torn between his scientific curiosity with Rush as his mentor and his loyalty towards the crew and Young would be a very interesting storyline to explore in a third season.

jsonitsac
December 7th, 2010, 08:19 PM
Its pretty clear that with his mom's HIV progressing (although not yet AIDS), the death of his girlfriend, the transformation of Chloe, and being stranded millions of light years from home that his morale is sagging. The truth is, this guy needs a pep talk. While they don't need to lay a burden on him, he does need to get fired up since he's proven to be a vital member of the crew.

sgc
December 7th, 2010, 08:25 PM
Its pretty clear that with his mom's HIV progressing (although not yet AIDS), the death of his girlfriend, the transformation of Chloe, and being stranded millions of light years from home that his morale is sagging. The truth is, this guy needs a pep talk. While they don't need to lay a burden on him, he does need to get fired up since he's proven to be a vital member of the crew.

Yes, and Eli has shown in more ways than one that he responds best to positive influence and usually requires some nudging to keep going forward.

kweerone
December 7th, 2010, 09:46 PM
Maybe it is just to keep us reminded about how special Eli is so that we don't freak when his greatness starts showing...

Artemis-Neith
December 7th, 2010, 11:46 PM
I think it's not a bad thing to tell Eli, that he's special, and, that he has skills, only a very few people have. But I don't think, it's a good idea either, just to pat him on the back, and say how fine he's doing everything, cos he's never used his skills properly, other than to play video games.

If Rush would have used his skills the same way Eli did, and in a way still does, he would be a worker on the Glasgow shipyards like his father was, and would never made it through university, or even get any kind of graduation.

It's right, Eli had a lot of traumatic experiences lately, but he also needs to understand that he has to do some hard work, using all his abilities, for himself, and for all the people on board Destiny. To use his special skills is the best way helping his friends, not to sit in the corner and mourn his losses.

stevilevi
December 7th, 2010, 11:48 PM
Considering he figured out the ninth chevron, given his slacker background, Eli is special. So to see him so down as he is, why wouldn't you want to encourage him?

stargatetravler
January 3rd, 2011, 07:11 PM
I agree that he will learn that hard work is required to achieve greatness. He was living a pretty bum life with doing nothing but playing video games and living with his mom. He's been thrown into a life or death situation being on Destiny and many lives are in his hands sometimes. Its a lot of pressure. I think eventually he will learn.

lt1superman
January 4th, 2011, 02:19 PM
its like me everyone tells me I'm special all the time... I hate it sometimes but I am seeing more and more that I am and its motivation to me