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knowles2
December 1st, 2010, 08:54 AM
I was just rewatching resurgence, an one thing I notice that the debri field was made up of more than two races vessels. They even said so in the dialogue.

Now I went back an looked at an the pod in the seeder vessel did not look like they belong there.

Now I had a look at the pods in Awakening an the Urisini pods look tact on an out of place. As expected.

Then I had a look at the Greater Good an to me it look like the pods there are tact on addition an out of place. Which if this really is a Urisini design vessel should not they be more integrated an look like they belong there.

Now in Resurgence they are flying around the seeder vessel liked they own the thing.

What if Urisini are not the good guys as we been led to believe an that they are a species that just steal an lie an cheat there way around the galaxy.

So they steal alien vessels an lie an cheat there way to do it. They manage to take the seeder vessel with out damaging it. I presume it would have the same defences as the destiny.

They use telford to fined the Destiny, they are trying use us to fight there enemy, an will probably try to take the destiny once we are done.

An the Drone people are actually the guys fighting the Ursini by using drone ships to fight the Ursini as they cannot be taken over Ursini which is there main battle tactic.

zmo
December 1st, 2010, 09:33 AM
Dude! U confusing me with your post! Not articulated well enough.

Utitan
December 1st, 2010, 09:51 AM
Yeah, I'm not very clear on what you're saying but I think I got it.. It would make more sense with what you're proposing if the Ursini are the ones that placed the drones. Destiny could have defeated all the drones had they stayed around the sun and baited all the drone to keep following them into the sun, yet the Ursini had them fly out into deep space to a drone field.

thekillman
December 1st, 2010, 11:50 AM
no it would suck if the Browns turn out to be evil. seriously.

J-Whitt Remastered
December 1st, 2010, 12:15 PM
no it would suck if the Browns turn out to be evil. seriously.

Why would that suck? We don't know enough about the reason that they are fighting these other aliens. It's entirely possible that they are the reason the war was started to begin with. Otherwise why wouldn't they have given Telford more information? I don't see any reason to trust what he learned in a strange alien pod that hooks int to your head through high-tech wifi.

Daralundy
December 1st, 2010, 02:17 PM
Debri is spelled Debris. I think it is French or something.

Commander Zelix
December 1st, 2010, 02:51 PM
The way I see it the Ursini are fighting an enemy more advanced than themselves. Hence why they sent a team of Ursini on the seeder ship to try to add it to their space ship fleet to fight the drones aliens. Same as them trapping the Destiny to fight their war against their mother ship. Whether they are victim of a stronger genocidal race or just want to destroy all other indigenous living aliens living in their part of space is another matter.

Ursini good guys: They didn't use any lethal weapon to get the destiny crew off their seeder ship or stop them from draining power. They didn't kill Telford but worked with him and nourished him instead and tried to communicate with him the best they could.

Ursini bad guys: They forced the Destiny crew to fight their war. They want to destroy the drones mother ship (which may be inhabited). The drones may only be defense system. They possibly lied to Telford with those images and only used him and the Destiny crew to repair the seeder ship then attack the drones mother ship, hence why they didn't kill anybody from the Destiny since they knew they could use them somehow to finish their mission (repairing the seeder ship to attack the drones mother ship).

pipi
December 1st, 2010, 04:58 PM
The drones look like Trade Federation and Ursini looks like Jedi. Not. Weird anology.

Python
December 2nd, 2010, 12:02 AM
The approach into the debris field reminded me very much of the SGA episode "Trinity" (Season 2 episode 6) when McKay experiments with a weapon powered by zero-point energy from our own universe. I was really hoping they'd find another one. Try to use it to dial Earth or something and end up with some other risks. But, no.

hart37
December 2nd, 2010, 12:11 AM
What if Urisini are not the good guys as we been led to believe an that they are a species that just steal an lie an cheat there way around the galaxy.


So you're saying they're human or work for wikileaks? ;)

I am not sure who's minefield it is, I don't feel it's the Ursini that put them there though.

garhkal
December 2nd, 2010, 01:57 AM
Like the gou'ald or the travellers.. i could see that.

erotavlas
December 2nd, 2010, 06:12 PM
I was just rewatching resurgence, an one thing I notice that the debri field was made up of more than two races vessels. They even said so in the dialogue.

Now I went back an looked at an the pod in the seeder vessel did not look like they belong there.

Now I had a look at the pods in Awakening an the Urisini pods look tact on an out of place. As expected.

Then I had a look at the Greater Good an to me it look like the pods there are tact on addition an out of place. Which if this really is a Urisini design vessel should not they be more integrated an look like they belong there.

Now in Resurgence they are flying around the seeder vessel liked they own the thing.

What if Urisini are not the good guys as we been led to believe an that they are a species that just steal an lie an cheat there way around the galaxy.

So they steal alien vessels an lie an cheat there way to do it. They manage to take the seeder vessel with out damaging it. I presume it would have the same defences as the destiny.

They use telford to fined the Destiny, they are trying use us to fight there enemy, an will probably try to take the destiny once we are done.

An the Drone people are actually the guys fighting the Ursini by using drone ships to fight the Ursini as they cannot be taken over Ursini which is there main battle tactic.

Interesting theory. I agree, that in the debris field the same ship they also encountered in the previous episode had the pods in them but they looked like they were placed there afterward, as if the Ursini were stowaways. If that debris field ship belonged to the Ursini then the pods should be better integrated into the ships systems. Thus to me it looks like there is a third race involved (i.e. the debris is from ships from a race that is not the Ursini). Notice they did not see any pods in the ship they boarded this time.

Gollumpus
December 2nd, 2010, 06:32 PM
Notice they did not see any pods in the ship they boarded this time.

True enough, however, Brody and Greer didn't have much time on that ship before Destiny was attacked. Perhaps they just hadn't reached the "sleeping" quarters yet.

I suspect the Ursini have their own agenda, and Destiny's well-being isn't necessarily high on their list of goals. Perhaps Telford is what Rush would have come out acting like if he had spent more time with the Blues...

regards,
G.

garhkal
December 4th, 2010, 12:21 AM
It was strange we saw no dead bodies..

hart37
December 4th, 2010, 02:04 AM
It was strange we saw no dead bodies..

The Bodies wouldn't decompose in space either would they, where be my carcasses

Unless the frozen bodies had somehow floated outside and into a celestrial body or planet's atmosphere. ;)

Nth Chevron
December 4th, 2010, 02:25 AM
Considering Greer and Brody entered the ship through a hole in the ships hide, i think its safe to say the compartment they were in suffered explosive decompression :)

N.C

dgh64
December 4th, 2010, 06:40 AM
Maybe the drones went around vaporizing the bodies. "All organics must be eliminated."

J-Whitt Remastered
December 4th, 2010, 05:08 PM
Considering Greer and Brody entered the ship through a hole in the ships hide, i think its safe to say the compartment they were in suffered explosive decompression :)

N.C

Yes, however they did open at least one door. There were no bodies behind it. So unless there was a hull breach there or just no one happened to be in that area when they lost life support there should be at least a few bodies floating around in there.

hart37
December 4th, 2010, 07:48 PM
Maybe the drones went around vaporizing the bodies. "All organics must be eliminated."

It was Daleks. "Exterminate! EXTERMINATE!!!" :P

garhkal
December 6th, 2010, 02:13 AM
The Bodies wouldn't decompose in space either would they, where be my carcasses

Unless the frozen bodies had somehow floated outside and into a celestrial body or planet's atmosphere. ;)

Considering Greer and Brody entered the ship through a hole in the ships hide, i think its safe to say the compartment they were in suffered explosive decompression

But it wouldn't have had any effect on those inside that other compartment they opened up.


It was Daleks. "Exterminate! EXTERMINATE!!!"

Might be where thye get that small one we see screen caps of elsewhere...

xxxevilgrinxxx
December 7th, 2010, 09:14 AM
I was just rewatching resurgence, an one thing I notice that the debri field was made up of more than two races vessels. They even said so in the dialogue.

Now I went back an looked at an the pod in the seeder vessel did not look like they belong there.

Now I had a look at the pods in Awakening an the Urisini pods look tact on an out of place. As expected.

Then I had a look at the Greater Good an to me it look like the pods there are tact on addition an out of place. Which if this really is a Urisini design vessel should not they be more integrated an look like they belong there.

Now in Resurgence they are flying around the seeder vessel liked they own the thing.

What if Urisini are not the good guys as we been led to believe an that they are a species that just steal an lie an cheat there way around the galaxy.

So they steal alien vessels an lie an cheat there way to do it. They manage to take the seeder vessel with out damaging it. I presume it would have the same defences as the destiny.

They use telford to fined the Destiny, they are trying use us to fight there enemy, an will probably try to take the destiny once we are done.

An the Drone people are actually the guys fighting the Ursini by using drone ships to fight the Ursini as they cannot be taken over Ursini which is there main battle tactic.

What we've come to think of as the Ursini vessels do seem to have the same sort of linework that we see in the pods but yes, they do seem to be just tacked on in the seeder vessel and yeah, I can see the Ursini taking ownership of things they come across like that. I don't think the Ursini are the good guys either, I tend to think that in their own way, they're after the Destiny as well. I'm not completely sure where the drones fit in but the existence of damaged Ursini ships doesn't mean the drones were the ones that damaged them and given that it was an Ursini signal that lured in the Destiny, and that the Ursini proceeded to hand deliver the Destiny to the command ship, I'd be thinking that the Ursini might be in control of the drones in some way. Or are at least using them to weaken the Destiny enough to take it.
No way to know for sure until the part two coming up.

mondy
December 7th, 2010, 10:46 AM
Debri is spelled Debris. I think it is French or something.

Yea, "That's what's wrong with the French, they don't have a word for entrepreneur"

- G.W. Bush

Wayston
December 7th, 2010, 12:57 PM
The Ursini look rather neutral at present. Perhaps even human in their behaviour compared to how one sided aliens are usually depicted in sci fi (focusing on a particular trait like jealousy, cold analysis, agression then putting it under a huge magnifying glass, like the major star trek races).

In any case, they have a very deep insight into game theory as evidenced by their strategy concerning the Destiny :)

hart37
December 7th, 2010, 02:55 PM
Debri is spelled Debris. I think it is French or something.

Or we could say americans can't spell because they are the only country to use the archaic form of English, that they do. Although yourself being canadian means you use the mother tongue like the rest of us. :P

I am still waiting to see how the Ursini play out. I hope they end up having a larger role.

jelgate
December 7th, 2010, 02:58 PM
Or we could say americans can't spell because they are the only country to use the archaic form of English, that they do. Although yourself being canadian means you use the mother tongue like the rest of us. :P

I am still waiting to see how the Ursini play out. I hope they end up having a larger role.

All languages all like that. As your culture moves and spread out from another language changes. That doesn't make one form more right or correct then the other.

hart37
December 7th, 2010, 03:03 PM
All languages all like that. As your culture moves and spread out from another language changes. That doesn't make one form more right or correct then the other.

I agree but good luck explaining that to someone from the languages origin country :P

jelgate
December 7th, 2010, 03:06 PM
I agree but good luck explaining that to someone from the languages origin country :P

Contrary to popular belief ignorance is not bliss.:P To think a language orginates from your country is crazy. That language came in another form from somewhere else.

sgc
December 7th, 2010, 06:51 PM
The Tau'ri, Ancients, Asgard, Nox, and Furlings CAN NOT be the only good or even decent races in the universe. We have to meet some good guys out there every once in a while.

hart37
December 7th, 2010, 07:07 PM
The Tau'ri, Ancients, Asgard, Nox, and Furlings CAN NOT be the only good or even decent races in the universe. We have to meet some good guys out there every once in a while.

Maybe this is the Australia of the Universe and is a massive penal colony :P

sgc
December 7th, 2010, 07:11 PM
Maybe this is the Australia of the Universe and is a massive penal colony :P

Haha excellent. That would be epic: The intergalactic Hadante :P Help me! I'm the destroyer of galaxies. Get me out of here and I won't give you nuclear cold fusion!

garhkal
December 8th, 2010, 02:06 AM
Maybe this is the Australia of the Universe and is a massive penal colony :P

Doubt it... the gou'ald were made when snake things inhabited humans.. same with bugs for the wraith.. they weren't transplanted here.

pipi
December 8th, 2010, 02:20 AM
The Ursini look rather neutral at present. Perhaps even human in their behaviour compared to how one sided aliens are usually depicted in sci fi (focusing on a particular trait like jealousy, cold analysis, agression then putting it under a huge magnifying glass, like the major star trek races).

In any case, they have a very deep insight into game theory as evidenced by their strategy concerning the Destiny :)

The aliens Destiny found were the 'geeks' scientists, their soldiers could look completely different, maybe even amoured who knows. They look like ants, and if that is anything to go by, then the soldier ants would be distinctively larger. Just a pot guess. :)

knowles2
December 13th, 2010, 12:38 PM
The Tau'ri, Ancients, Asgard, Nox, and Furlings CAN NOT be the only good or even decent races in the universe. We have to meet some good guys out there every once in a while.

We have, the Re'tu, The Reol, Those methane breeding terrafomers,

sgc
December 13th, 2010, 06:32 PM
We have, the Re'tu, The Reol, Those methane breeding terrafomers,

The Gadmeer. Well, then. You win. Still, I can't think of any additional decent advanced races in the entire universe. Well, the Tok'ra (I can't believe I forgot that) count as one.

garhkal
December 14th, 2010, 02:12 AM
What of the Tolan

sgc
December 14th, 2010, 02:37 PM
What of the Tolan

Yes, the Tollan were a decent advanced race. Good eye!

Also in the nice list (from SG-1):

Harlan (P3X-989/Juna) [Tin Man]
Mirror Collectors (P3R-233) [There But For the Grace of God]
Nanite creators [Learning Curve]
The Giant Aliens [Crystal Skull]
Serrakin [Space Race]
**Spoilers SG-1 Season 9+**The Free Jaffa

garhkal
December 15th, 2010, 03:19 AM
I am not sure the mirro makers were NOT the ancients.. unless it has been explained elsewhere.

sgc
December 15th, 2010, 04:12 PM
I am not sure the mirro makers were NOT the ancients.. unless it has been explained elsewhere.

Honestly, we don't know who made the mirror, but I was referring to the ones that collected the artifacts that the mirror was found with; the ones that sent the warning: "Beware the destroyers. They come from ..."

EDIT: Also, the mirror doesn't exactly fit with other Ancient technology, so I would think it seems unlikely that they made it.

garhkal
December 16th, 2010, 02:42 AM
We never found out wo they were either.. but from the look of the tech the place had it reminded me of harlan..

greenguywithlasereye
December 16th, 2010, 09:33 AM
http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Quantum_mirror

there but for the grace of god - awesome episode

that control device btw, looks like the fir/fur/fer-ling door control from paradise lost. just saying. ; p

hart37
December 16th, 2010, 12:40 PM
http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Quantum_mirror

there but for the grace of god - awesome episode

that control device btw, looks like the fir/fur/fer-ling door control from paradise lost. just saying. ; p

We were told that the end of Universe would explain something left from the other series. I don't think I am alone in wanting it to be the Furlings, not that I expect it to be. :P

garhkal
December 17th, 2010, 02:52 AM
And with the cancellation, the likely hood of that happening now, is about as likely as me having every playboy bunny currently at the playboy mansion showing up tonight to give me a BJ....

hart37
December 17th, 2010, 04:49 AM
And with the cancellation, the likely hood of that happening now, is about as likely as me having every playboy bunny currently at the playboy mansion showing up tonight to give me a BJ....

We can both fantasise though :P

J-Whitt Remastered
December 17th, 2010, 06:03 AM
We can both fantasise though :P

Lol. Nice.