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GateWorld
September 19th, 2010, 01:26 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 304</FONT>
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A U.S. Senator is discovered to be a shape-shifter after he is rushed to the hospital, and Olivia worries that her secret will be exposed after Thomas Jerome Newton tries to destroy the evidence.

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Sp!der
October 15th, 2010, 12:03 PM
no reply yet? I think this show keeps getting better and better doesnt it?! I love the whole shapeshifter arc, and Olivia is really bad... I hope she will be exposed soon. Walter was crazy again this time but in a good way.. they should really involve Astrid more, I really like her too bad we did not have seen enough of her (maybe in the field someday?) great to see nina sharp again. Broyles did got a good time of screentime again, like his character. Too bad that the bad guy died at the end..loved his character... he was an interesting one. Does that men that next week is an alternate universe episode again?

Commander Zelix
October 15th, 2010, 02:32 PM
I always thought that Fringe was a good show. But now it's incredible how the show has improved since the third season. More serialized each episodes are still memorable by themselves. The plots are now multilayered and the dialogues are pretty solid (may have been helped by new writers). It seems every characters got a story to tell. Even the shapeshifter called into action by Newton. Even the wife of the dead shapeshifter Senator.

The exchange and antagonism between Liv and Newton was well played out. It was so good that I was surprised to see him die. I wanted more!!

Nice to see the relation between Astral and Walter develop.

Each episodes in season 3 got a great story as well as adding to the overall mythology and characters arcs. They really take a lot of chance with their story with a multitude of game changer (a la lost) and it's really fun to see it develop. It will be fun to see Walter heading Massive Dynamic.

I've applied to a rehab center and I'm getting in Thursday this week. Since I know I wont be able to make it without my Fringe fix.

Another great episode this season 9/10.

MattSilver 3k
October 16th, 2010, 04:46 AM
What Zelix said. Digging everything this season and then some. This episode was fantastic, what with Newton being badass, Walter being badass (When he stabbed that guy! :eek:), Peter and Altlivia dancing around each other... Good times all around. Shame about the wait, though.

Ian-S
October 16th, 2010, 06:30 AM
What Zelix said too.

I've changed my mind though, I think Walter is going to be the one to work out Altiva (or whatever she's called), he seem to be testing her early in the episode.

Peter is just blinded by love now, he can see the differences, but can't see the wood for the trees.


Shame to see the bad guy go, or maybe not.... never know with Fringe LOL.

jmoz
October 16th, 2010, 10:41 AM
Is Newton the british guy that went on a killing spree? I wanted more of him, he made a good bad guy especially when he was getting his hands dirty. I was hoping something a little more epic from the cop guy instead of the go up the elevator and shoot the guy. I mean come on, he gives him schematics and sends that text message to get out, I was hoping for something explosive but no.

But this was a great episode, Olivia playing the girlfriend and Peter falling for it. The alternate verse has so much cool stuff.

the fifth man
October 16th, 2010, 08:56 PM
I really wanted Altivia outed in this episode. She is so devious.

Sp!der
October 17th, 2010, 02:00 AM
I really wanted Altivia outed in this episode. She is so devious.

she really is. I really love Anna Torv (?)... I think she was great choice, and she shows her abilities especially in this new season...

the fifth man
October 17th, 2010, 06:51 PM
she really is. I really love Anna Torv (?)... I think she was great choice, and she shows her abilities especially in this new season...

Yeah, it can't be easy playing the same character differently like that. I give Anna a lot of credit.

Ian-S
October 18th, 2010, 08:25 AM
Newton is the British guy yeah, why is it always us Brits that play the evil ones in American TV shows :lol:

the fifth man
October 18th, 2010, 07:58 PM
Newton is the British guy yeah, why is it always us Brits that play the evil ones in American TV shows :lol:

Newton was a great character though. I was sad to see him go.

Kenton-Atlantis
October 20th, 2010, 11:25 AM
I agree i hope she gets exposed soon It seems like she is doin everything in her power to ruin the mission and the dont catch on !!!! It made me Angry lol !!! Walter is great im pumped he has Massive Dynamic that was a great twist i never seen coming.

Kenton-Atlantis
October 21st, 2010, 02:34 PM
WHY is the next episode not on till November 4th very confused by this ?? someone please clarify is it because of baseball. I dont understand why Space Channell in canada lost Fringe. it was great when it was on there. No baseball to get in the way !!

the fifth man
October 21st, 2010, 06:39 PM
WHY is the next episode not on till November 4th very confused by this ?? someone please clarify is it because of baseball. I dont understand why Space Channell in canada lost Fringe. it was great when it was on there. No baseball to get in the way !!

Yeah, the break is because of the MLB playoffs.

Kenton-Atlantis
October 21st, 2010, 07:11 PM
Yeah, the break is because of the MLB playoffs.


yeah it sucks eh lol !!! i wanna watch the next episode but i gotta wait 2 weeks :(

rosey_angel
October 22nd, 2010, 07:26 PM
I agree i hope she gets exposed soon It seems like she is doin everything in her power to ruin the mission and the dont catch on !!!! It made me Angry lol !!! .

i agree. i like that peter can see some of it, and it was kind of mean altivia giving him sex to shut him him up. the more this story line goes on, the more stupid these characters will seem. they've tried to prevent that, having the senator guy's wife not know. but she didn't know about alternate worlds and shifters, either.


Newton is the British guy yeah, why is it always us Brits that play the evil ones in American TV shows :lol:

he plays an angel in supernatural :P

Linda06
October 27th, 2010, 09:29 AM
Another good solid ep :D I thought Altivia was gona get busted this week but she got away with the skin of her teeth. I don't think she can keep it up for much longer. I think someone is bound to figure out what's happened. I'm still hedging my bets that it's Walter that'll notice :D :p

But why are they showing ep 1 again next week :confused:

LtColCarter
November 1st, 2010, 11:42 AM
I really wanted Altivia outed in this episode. She is so devious.

I concur!

Huaracocha
November 14th, 2010, 02:40 PM
It was a shame to see Newton go but maybe Walter can ressurect him! Of course everyone knows that all us Brits are super-evil so it makes sense that we get type cast that way in American shows ;)

You might think with being aware of the shapshifter threat for some time now that regular blood tests would be carried out on all high ranking officials and particularly people like the Fringe team a la Battlestar Galactica. Or that Walter's idea to detect the glimmer would have been explored beyond wanting it to find Peter when he was AWOL.

Of course devious impersonators like Altivia can often find a way round such measures and perhaps they have just been too busy with other things to really take the shapeshifter threat seriously enough.

Commander Zelix
November 14th, 2010, 05:59 PM
It was a shame to see Newton go but maybe Walter can ressurect him! Of course everyone knows that all us Brits are super-evil so it makes sense that we get type cast that way in American shows ;)

You might think with being aware of the shapshifter threat for some time now that regular blood tests would be carried out on all high ranking officials and particularly people like the Fringe team a la Battlestar Galactica. Or that Walter's idea to detect the glimmer would have been explored beyond wanting it to find Peter when he was AWOL.

Of course devious impersonators like Altivia can often find a way round such measures and perhaps they have just been too busy with other things to really take the shapeshifter threat seriously enough.
I don't know but in the episode Broyles mentions having now screened all main government officials after the situation with the senator. As for Altlivia, I'm not sure what you mean, but she's not a shapeshifter (as far as we know :)) so she should not be so worried about it all. And for some reason she doesn't seem to be a big fan of them. Comparing them to any machine like a toaster. And she already killed the 2 shape shifters she worked with. :D But again, this particular shape shifter, Newton, was particularly mean to her. He never liked her either from the moment she got to our side, crossing into his territory as the alt world leader of the operation on our side. And somehow I think he seems to genuinely believe she didn't have it in her to complete the mission.

In the previous episode:
NEWTON: Careful. Their side may be alluring, but don't be taken in by it. They started the war. Remember?
ALTLIVIA: You don't have to remind me whose side I'm on. Did you do what I told you to do?

And in this episode some incredible piece of dialogue:



NEWTON: ...Don't worry. He's been disabled. Or as you people call it, he's dead. He can't talk, and data recovery's impossible. Your cover's safe, for now.

ALTIVIA: What do you mean, my cover is safe for now?

NEWTON: I don't know what your mission is, Olivia, and you've made it very clear that it's none of my concern. Whatever it is, I imagine it requires you to gain Peter Bishop's complete trust.

ALTIVIA: What makes you think that I don't already have it?

NEWTON: Well, maybe it's because I'm looking in from the outside, but I'm willing to wager that somewhere, deep inside his brain, Peter Bishop senses that something is not quite right with you, that something has changed, that you're not his Olivia.

ALTIVIA: Okay, you need to remember who you're talking to.

NEWTON: You're in over your head. You're not fully committed to this task, and because of that, you will fail. (hangs-up)

I loved the antagonism between Newton and Olivia. He was also brutal with the other shapeshifter policeman. And the hospital scene was so great. That was some of the most brutal shooting I saw on TV. I think it's *almost* second in Sci-fi after the moving stairway shooting in Total Recall.

I miss Newton. RIP. :)

Huaracocha
November 14th, 2010, 06:31 PM
You're right Altivia is a bad example for blood screening but the glimmer detection machine should still work on her if that had been pursued.

I loved that Newton / Altivia conversation you quoted. At the time of watching it really felt to me like he was goading her that Peter would expect their relationship to blossom sexually and she wouldn't be able to go through with it - in a sense that he provoked her into sleeping with Peter. Reading it back though I see there is nothing in the actual dialogue that really supports that but it's just how it came across to me.

Commander Zelix
November 14th, 2010, 08:48 PM
You're right Altivia is a bad example for blood screening but the glimmer detection machine should still work on her if that had been pursued.

I loved that Newton / Altivia conversation you quoted. At the time of watching it really felt to me like he was goading her that Peter would expect their relationship to blossom sexually and she wouldn't be able to go through with it - in a sense that he provoked her into sleeping with Peter. Reading it back though I see there is nothing in the actual dialogue that really supports that but it's just how it came across to me.
I think she realized he was probably right about Peter having doubt about her, so she tried to use the best and most simple way to get into a man head, by getting into his pants first.

Eternal Density
February 9th, 2011, 10:10 PM
Is Newton the british guy that went on a killing spree? Funny quote when taken completely out of context :D

Commander Zelix
February 10th, 2011, 05:06 AM
Funny quote when taken completely out of context :D
It's more accurate to say that Newton made a killing in the physic field.

Sp!der
February 14th, 2011, 11:56 AM
Just watching it on German tv... Weird to hear it in the dubbed version although they did a good job! But the ads during a 45 min show is freaking me out, is it in the us the same?

LtColCarter
February 15th, 2011, 12:01 PM
Just watching it on German tv... Weird to hear it in the dubbed version although they did a good job! But the ads during a 45 min show is freaking me out, is it in the us the same?

Yes, we have tons of ads in the US as well.