Rush willing to sacrifice the remaining crew

[Nemises]

If you were in his shoes what would you have done ?

I would have done exactly the same...naive eli would have happily handed over the ship to the LA and gotten exiled on that planet along with the remaining crew or worse gotten all of them killed.

[jelgate]

Yes. 3 lives is less then the ship and everyone stranded on that planet.

[Roseness]

As much as I do not like Rush, I really like Rush. I hate the things he does and says, but then it makes sense. He evaluates things on facts, and not so much what if's. This is how it is, this is what has to be done. The end.
Eli on the other hands see lots of "what ifs" and tries to hold on to them. He could not bring himself to sacrifice people, even if it was for the best. He would try his best to do whatever he could to keep people alive.
That being said... we know Eli would never be in control... he couldnt make that kind of decision. Even if he knew it was for the best... or if people agreed to be sacrificed...

Considering the situation, I probably would have an "Eli" moment... and would have to let someone else make that call. I would not want to hand the ship over, nor would I want to be responsible for 3 other lives.
I may know that in the end it is the right decision, but I just couldnt do it myself. Someone else would have to have lock them out of that room.
*total 'civilian' like answer* LOL.

[Sairnath]

Yes. 3 lives is less then the ship and everyone stranded on that planet.

I'm not to sure that Rush would have "accidently" not stopped the ship form jumping before saving the rest from the planet.

[Browncoat1984]

I saw Rush's willingess to sacrifice the crew as sort of a commentary on Young's failure to sacrifice Telford when the Lucian Alliance first boarded the ship. If he had done that, this whole thing would have been prevented (thus a lot of good drama and action would not have happened lol), lives on both sides would have been saved. Rush was willing to do what Young could not do, and Young's decision was just one life. I think it amplified that Young wasn't supposed to be in command, and I hope we look more in depth into Young's military history in the future to see what makes him tick.

[Pharaoh Atem]

the needs of the many out weight the needs of the few.

[Meshakhad]

I would have bluffed it, but I probably wouldn't have made the sacrifice. I don't have that in me.

[dosed150]

the lucian alliance would probably have killed the others once they were no longer useful, i mean danik? wanted to kill all the crew, and with varo out of the picture he would of, so risking your crew weighed against them dying anyway seems rush made the right call

[Cold Fuzz]

It was a game of wills between Dannick and Rush. Both were willing to go to extreme measures to come out on top. It just happened to be that there were more reasonable types among the LA, like Varro and the woman who scragged Dannick. If the LA were all like Kiva and Dannick, the Destiny crew would not have been able to re-take the ship.

[pipi]

I would have done the same too. There's still a remote chance that when the pulse hits, Scott and the others maybe in a more sheltered area. Could be fluke who knows. Just like running to the otherside of the ship.

[Khentkawes]

If Rush had given in (bluffed, instead of following through with his plan), then the remaining crew would have died anyway. No doubt the crazy Lucian Alliance dude would have killed Scott and Greer on sight, probably would have killed Wray and TJ, and had already tried to kill Chloe, Eli, and Brody. He probably wouldn't have kept Rush alive for long either, once he outlived his usefulness. So for Rush, the choice was basically either surrender and everyone dies, or stand by his threat and save at least four of them, and possible the rest of the crew down on the planet. He couldn't do anything to save Scott, Greer, TJ, and Wray.

[Avenger]

He's always been an advocate of making decisions that benefit the greatest number of people. Granted, he is very cold about it, but still. In hostile situations, people are sacrificed for the benefit of the many all the time.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Nemises,


If you were in his shoes what would you have done ?

I would have done exactly the same...naive eli would have happily handed over the ship to the LA and gotten exiled on that planet along with the remaining crew or worse gotten all of them killed.

Not sure. It's easy to sit back and try to be rational about something like that but until you are in the situation it's pure speculation. Part of me would like to think I could be coldly rational and sacrifice those people. Another part of me hates that part of me.

[Gatz]

I think I would do what Rush did. Not just because of the "a lot > few" but also because my survival instinct is quite powerful. Also, the only two they knew for sure were still alive (Scott and Greer) already gave the "blessing".

[SgaIsBad]

The LA had already killed members of Destiny, and the entire rest of the crew was stuck on the storm planet with no chance of survival. Really was a numbers game of loose a couple of their friends or let everyone else on the storm planet die. Rush made the right decision.

[garhkal]

As much as I do not like Rush, I really like Rush. I hate the things he does and says, but then it makes sense. He evaluates things on facts, and not so much what if's. This is how it is, this is what has to be done. The end.
Eli on the other hands see lots of "what ifs" and tries to hold on to them. He could not bring himself to sacrifice people, even if it was for the best. He would try his best to do whatever he could to keep people alive.
That being said... we know Eli would never be in control... he couldnt make that kind of decision. Even if he knew it was for the best... or if people agreed to be sacrificed...

Agreed. While some hate people that are logically pragmatic, it also made the best sense tactically. Military people understand that sometimes you have to sacrifice people to achieve your goal.


I saw Rush's willingess to sacrifice the crew as sort of a commentary on Young's failure to sacrifice Telford when the Lucian Alliance first boarded the ship. If he had done that, this whole thing would have been prevented (thus a lot of good drama and action would not have happened lol), lives on both sides would have been saved. Rush was willing to do what Young could not do, and Young's decision was just one life.

It does bring young's inaction more into light... And also proves to others that young does NOT have the gumption to do what is necessary.


Not sure. It's easy to sit back and try to be rational about something like that but until you are in the situation it's pure speculation. Part of me would like to think I could be coldly rational and sacrifice those people. Another part of me hates that part of me.

Agreed. Parents face that all the time.. logically it is best to let your kid(s) do what ever and learn from their mistakes (it is how most of us probabily learned).. but too many these days seem to want to shelter them from any harm.


Also, the only two they knew for sure were still alive (Scott and Greer) already gave the "blessing".

I noticed Brody did not budge to follow rush's order until scott called in and gave consent to do it..

[Lt. Jeffer]

I think i would have done the same i would be an tough decision but this was the only way
Its ironic that Rush was in the same situation like Young in Incursion

[Kaiphantom]

I saw Rush's willingess to sacrifice the crew as sort of a commentary on Young's failure to sacrifice Telford when the Lucian Alliance first boarded the ship. If he had done that, this whole thing would have been prevented (thus a lot of good drama and action would not have happened lol), lives on both sides would have been saved. Rush was willing to do what Young could not do, and Young's decision was just one life. I think it amplified that Young wasn't supposed to be in command, and I hope we look more in depth into Young's military history in the future to see what makes him tick.

This.

I find it interesting people were trying to portray Young as not stupid for refusing to risk one life to save everyone else. And then turn around and say Rush was brilliant for being willing to sacrifice 3-4 others to save the rest. I mean, there was still a chance Telford still could have been saved when the LA boarded. But a radiation pulse was basically going to kill everyone.

So, which is it? Is Young bad for refusing to risk one life and trying to save everyone? Or is Rush bad for making the call to sacrifice 3-4 people to save the rest?

On the sliding scale of cynicism vs. idealism, I think we can safely say where SGU falls now: cynicism. There is no place for idealism in this universe, since Rush was right and Young was wrong.

[jelgate]

I think its a little unfair to say Rush was dead right and dead wrong. Rush had the advantage of having all the intel of the situation of the Lucian Alliance attack. Something Young lacked in Incursion.

[Kaiphantom]

I think its a little unfair to say Rush was dead right and dead wrong. Rush had the advantage of having all the intel of the situation of the Lucian Alliance attack. Something Young lacked in Incursion.

How can you say that? Telford told Young they were coming. They had procedures in place to deal with (ala vent the gateroom). You don't get better prepared than that.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Kai,


How can you say that? Telford told Young they were coming. They had procedures in place to deal with (ala vent the gateroom). You don't get better prepared than that.

Exactly. What Young appeared to lack was the nerve to do what he had to do.

[talyn2k1]

It wasn't even a matter of Young having to sacrifice Telford. All he had to do was vent atmosphere from the gate room, wait for everyone in there to pass out, then restore the life support, get Telford and put the LA in a secure room before they wake up. When you are deprived of oxygen you don't die the second you pass out. This was the one big thing that bothered me in Incursion as the solution seemed so simple and sacrifice-free.

[Aurora24]

The situations that Rush and Young faced were somewhat different. Young thought he could still salvage the situation while saving his friend's life, while Rush knew the only way to retake the ship and rescue his people was to put the Lucien Alliance members in a surrender or die situation. Rush was counting on the Lucien Alliance to members to save themselves by surrendering, which is something most sane people would do in that situation. What he hadn't taken into account was that Dannic was clearly insane, and willing to risk being killed to keep control of the ship. His people, on the other hand were not willing to take that risk. So, pragmatically speaking Rush did the right thing under the circumstances. Besides which, even if Rush had returned the shields to full strength it is likely that everyone on our side would be killed with the exception of Rush and possibly Eli. I'd like to think that if I were in that situation, and trapped outside hydroponics I would agree to the plan (of course at the same time I would hope and pray that the LA would surrender).

[SciFiRick]

It wasn't even a matter of Young having to sacrifice Telford. All he had to do was vent atmosphere from the gate room, wait for everyone in there to pass out, then restore the life support, get Telford and put the LA in a secure room before they wake up. When you are deprived of oxygen you don't die the second you pass out. This was the one big thing that bothered me in Incursion as the solution seemed so simple and sacrifice-free.

I think it is worth mentioning that Young decided not to vent the atmosphere in the gate room not because it was his friend Telford but he thought that he would be killing Rush. Young wasn't even looking at the monitor. Brody is the one who said to look when Telford's body came through the gate. That leads me to believe that Brody even thought that Young should see this before pushing the button to vent the gate room.

Remember, Young did not know that the communication stones disconnected the link when Telford's body came through the gate. When I saw Young's facial expression after Rush told him about the disconnect, I got the impression Young would have went through with the plan. IMO, I think if Young KNEW that Rush was back in is own body that he would have followed through with the original plan.

I am not saying your comment is wrong by the way. It is a logical thought and should have been considered. I guess you have to ask yourself, Will everyone pass out at the same exact time? Remember, Young waited for Rush's body to die and then he looked at his watch before telling Brody to open the door. Would there have been enough military guys to revive everyone. All the civilians were not in the defense area so they would have been no help. If it worked out perfectly that would have saved both Telford & Rush. But then what do you do with all the prisoners, how do you feed them? You gain their supplies which Destiny now has anyway but did not include food or water. The crew was already back on rationing.

[coZma]

Rush just did what Young should have done 3 episodes ago. If he would have risked sacrificing Telford none of this would have happened .It's a bit ironic that the civilian did what the commanding officer was trained to do but hey, such is life, people mischoose their careers every day....

[Blackhole]

I saw Rush's willingess to sacrifice the crew as sort of a commentary on Young's failure to sacrifice Telford when the Lucian Alliance first boarded the ship. If he had done that, this whole thing would have been prevented (thus a lot of good drama and action would not have happened lol), lives on both sides would have been saved. Rush was willing to do what Young could not do, and Young's decision was just one life. I think it amplified that Young wasn't supposed to be in command, and I hope we look more in depth into Young's military history in the future to see what makes him tick.

I agree.

[Girlbot]

Rush is Destiny's Nixon. Too scary to challenge :D

[Blackhole]

It wasn't even a matter of Young having to sacrifice Telford. All he had to do was vent atmosphere from the gate room, wait for everyone in there to pass out, then restore the life support, get Telford and put the LA in a secure room before they wake up. When you are deprived of oxygen you don't die the second you pass out. This was the one big thing that bothered me in Incursion as the solution seemed so simple and sacrifice-free.

I agree that would have been the best tactical solution.

If he had given the scenario more thought he could have had two soldiers in spacesuits in the adjacent room (also in vacuum) ready to go in with resuscitation equipment. As soon as Telford is seen they go in and put an oxygen mask on him. I doubt the the arriving force would be much of a threat if they arrived to a hard vacuum. I would think it would immediately incapacitate everyone. The possibility of Telford arriving with the LA invasion force should easily have been anticipated.

[Blackhole]

I think it is worth mentioning that Young decided not to vent the atmosphere in the gate room not because it was his friend Telford but he thought that he would be killing Rush. Young wasn't even looking at the monitor. Brody is the one who said to look when Telford's body came through the gate. That leads me to believe that Brody even thought that Young should see this before pushing the button to vent the gate room.

Remember, Young did not know that the communication stones disconnected the link when Telford's body came through the gate. When I saw Young's facial expression after Rush told him about the disconnect, I got the impression Young would have went through with the plan. IMO, I think if Young KNEW that Rush was back in is own body that he would have followed through with the original plan.

I am not saying your comment is wrong by the way. It is a logical thought and should have been considered. I guess you have to ask yourself, Will everyone pass out at the same exact time? Remember, Young waited for Rush's body to die and then he looked at his watch before telling Brody to open the door. Would there have been enough military guys to revive everyone. All the civilians were not in the defense area so they would have been no help. If it worked out perfectly that would have saved both Telford & Rush. But then what do you do with all the prisoners, how do you feed them? You gain their supplies which Destiny now has anyway but did not include food or water. The crew was already back on rationing.

All Young had to do was order the stones immediately disconnected as soon as the gate connected. That would have take Rush's life out of the equation.

[SGeff]

this is a right thing to do as a leader, if Young had done it earlier there would be only one man dead, Telford.

[Blackhole]

this is a right thing to do as a leader, if Young had done it earlier there would be only one man dead, Telford.

If Young had given it more thought then Telford could have likely been saved, but then there would have been no drama.

[xxxevilgrinxxx]

are we discussing Intervention or rehashing Incursion?

[Blackhole]

are we discussing Intervention or rehashing Incursion?

Intervention is the conclusion to Incursion. We are discussing what transpired, the actions of the characters and their consequences. Any cogent discussion requires a proper context.

[Blistna]

It wasn't even a matter of Young having to sacrifice Telford. All he had to do was vent atmosphere from the gate room, wait for everyone in there to pass out, then restore the life support, get Telford and put the LA in a secure room before they wake up. When you are deprived of oxygen you don't die the second you pass out. This was the one big thing that bothered me in Incursion as the solution seemed so simple and sacrifice-free.

Your forgetting a key element of SGU. These people are not heroes, at least not yet. These people don't belong here. And Young should not be the leader, Telford should be. Young couldn't think fast enough and didn't have time to think. Rush had more time in his choice, however Rush would have killed Telford without hesitation if it meant saving the ship. Thats what Rush has known for a long time...Young shouldn't be the leader.

(Right now I don't know enough about Telford to say if he is a good enough leader, but he prob be better then Young)

As to Rush willing to kill scott and the others, well, we all know Rush is a cold hearted person. Which isn't a bad thing, in fact I would make the same choice (though it would kill me), but you have to think about everything thats at stake. Rush is able to do that. And look at his face. He clearly didn't want these people to die. He knew there value. But he also knew what needed to be done.

[Blackhole]

Your forgetting a key element of SGU. These people are not heroes, at least not yet. These people don't belong here. And Young should not be the leader, Telford should be. Young couldn't think fast enough and didn't have time to think. Rush had more time in his choice, however Rush would have killed Telford without hesitation if it meant saving the ship. Thats what Rush has known for a long time...Young shouldn't be the leader.

(Right now I don't know enough about Telford to say if he is a good enough leader, but he prob be better then Young)

As to Rush willing to kill scott and the others, well, we all know Rush is a cold hearted person. Which isn't a bad thing, in fact I would make the same choice (though it would kill me), but you have to think about everything thats at stake. Rush is able to do that. And look at his face. He clearly didn't want these people to die. He knew there value. But he also knew what needed to be done.

I agree with everything you have said except that Rush is a cold hearted person. Since Human I think his heart has thawed considerably. He is very pragmatic and is able to make the tough decisions when necessary. Young is psychologically wounded with PTSD. He is a very honorable man but unfortunately, no longer possesses the psychological stability to continue in command.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Now that Telford is on board I imagine Young will attempt to step aside. I also think O'Neill will refuse the offer of resignation prefering to have Telford remain as a mole for Young among the Lucians.

[Blackhole]

Now that Telford is on board I imagine Young will attempt to step aside. I also think O'Neill will refuse the offer of resignation prefering to have Telford remain as a mole for Young among the Lucians.

Excellent Point! That would be a very wise tactical action if he plans to integrate them back into the crew.

[tomstone]

I will enjoy to see how Young crumbles and comes back up. He has shown poor judgement on many occasions now, so I hope they wont make him the Leader again next episode. With the LA on board that could be difficult.

I wouldnt consider Rush cold hearted, he simply thinks logical and numbers dont lie. If he wouldn't care he sure could have come up with a easier way to get the LA. If neccesarry venting Athmosphere all over.

[koroush47]

Sometimes I think eli is an idiot.

[Lt. Jeffer]

Sometimes I think eli is an idiot.

i think he is not an idiot he is just naive and scared of the decisions who have to be made

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Eli is very young and inexperienced. It shows. He's learning, unfortunately, frequently the hard way.

[SciFiRick]

All Young had to do was order the stones immediately disconnected as soon as the gate connected. That would have take Rush's life out of the equation.

Very true.

[SciFiRick]

Now that Telford is on board I imagine Young will attempt to step aside. I also think O'Neill will refuse the offer of resignation prefering to have Telford remain as a mole for Young among the Lucians.

Very good thought. A lot of people probably know about the brainwashing cure that Young performed and keeping everyone quiet may be challenging.

[Blistna]

I agree with everything you have said except that Rush is a cold hearted person. Since Human I think his heart has thawed considerably. He is very pragmatic and is able to make the tough decisions when necessary. Young is psychologically wounded with PSSD. He is a very honorable man but unfortunately, no longer possesses the psychological stability to continue in command.

Thats true, Rush is a cold person for a reason, and he has brightened up some. However, I still believe him to be a cold hearted person -- but in a good way. Not in the way he was from the start of the show, but someone who can make hard choices like sacrificing someone and keeping his composer (although, in this episode, he almost lost it. I mean, really, look at his face. You could tell he didn't want them dead).

But we can agree to disagree!

[TheChronoTrigger]

This.

I find it interesting people were trying to portray Young as not stupid for refusing to risk one life to save everyone else. And then turn around and say Rush was brilliant for being willing to sacrifice 3-4 others to save the rest. I mean, there was still a chance Telford still could have been saved when the LA boarded. But a radiation pulse was basically going to kill everyone.

So, which is it? Is Young bad for refusing to risk one life and trying to save everyone? Or is Rush bad for making the call to sacrifice 3-4 people to save the rest?

On the sliding scale of cynicism vs. idealism, I think we can safely say where SGU falls now: cynicism. There is no place for idealism in this universe, since Rush was right and Young was wrong.

I thought Young flinched and didn't do what was necessary. Which was to only partially vent the atmosphere in the gate-room and a adjoining room, enough to incapacitate but not kill them. Then go in with the suits and tie them all up while they're knocked out.

[blackluster]

I liked the end of the ep showing Rush in his room unable to sleep. He perhaps fears that the insight and compassion he kind in the trip through his memories is slipping away. I wonder if Young maybe was like Rush long ago, but years and years of making the rational decision turned him into the wreck he is now. Though I suppose hat might not be entirely possible since the soldiers would trust him then, or at least would be so loyal to him.

[xxxevilgrinxxx]

I liked the end of the ep showing Rush in his room unable to sleep. He perhaps fears that the insight and compassion he kind in the trip through his memories is slipping away. I wonder if Young maybe was like Rush long ago, but years and years of making the rational decision turned him into the wreck he is now. Though I suppose hat might not be entirely possible since the soldiers would trust him then, or at least would be so loyal to him.

I tend to think that also - that Young could make those kinds of calls once, and now can't. More parallels between the characters. After "Human" and also "Sabotage", when we see that side of him through Perry, Rush is more closely tied to the crew and now those choices Rush has made may also make a wreck of him.

[SciFiRick]

Yes. 3 lives is less then the ship and everyone stranded on that planet.

Don't forget to include Wray. She was in the infirmary with TJ

[jelgate]

Don't forget to include Wray. She was in the infirmary with TJ

Wray doesn't count. Because her presence was unknown to Rush

[morbosfist]

Rush knew. Scott reported back about TJ and Wray over the radio, as I recall. Plus there were at least three others Rush also knew had to be out there somewhere.

[smart]

I would have done exactly what Rush did. Although a few of the crew's most valuable members may have been lost [ i.e TJ, Scott, e.tc] , he was ultimately acting for the greater good - which was to protect the lives of those in the lab so that most of the crew , which was on the planet could be brought back to the ship [ instead of remaining on the planet where their abiity to survive was in great question] He ultimately would have surrendered the lives of a few to save the ship [ home] for the large remaining portion of team Destiny.

[akren]

I would have done exactly what Rush did. Although a few of the crew's most valuable members may have been lossed [ i.e TJ, Scott, e.tc] , he was ultimately acting for the greater good - which was to protect the lives of those in the lab so that most of the crew , which was on the planet could be brought back to the ship [ instead of remaining on the planet where their abiity to survive was in great question] He ultimately would have surrendered the lives of a few to save the ship [ home] for the large remaining portion of team Destiny.

I agree. I also tend to think that Rush knew that faced with an the choice of surrendering the ship to the crew or dying, knowing that either way Rush would win, those amongst the Alliance would crack & take action to remove Danic from command before he killed them all (I loved how the little nerdy LA woman, the red head whom was victimised & terrorised by Danic was the one whom murdered him in order to survive). I think it also shows the dyanmics amongst the Lucian Alliance personell, such as Varro's concern for T.J., that not all the Lucian Alliance are cold-hearted murderers (toough & willing to fight & die yes, but not stupid or exceedingly cruel).

[garhkal]

I tend to think that also - that Young could make those kinds of calls once, and now can't. More parallels between the characters. After "Human" and also "Sabotage", when we see that side of him through Perry, Rush is more closely tied to the crew and now those choices Rush has made may also make a wreck of him.

On the rewatch of it sat night here in Okinawa, i distinctly remember seeing him almost have a lip tremble in that 'sitting on his bed' scene. I also remember hearing him say i am sorry, just before giving the word...

[xxxevilgrinxxx]

yes, it's definitely not something he could fire off without batting an eye any longer

[Kaiphantom]

It's interesting to point out that Rush was only forced to make this call, because Young himself couldn't. If Young had made the call to risk Telford's life way earlier, than Rush wouldn't have ultimately been in a position to risk 4 lives. So no matter what side you're on, if you think badly of Rush for this, then you have to think badly of Young's actions.

I think that's why there is more support for Rush here. As much as you may not like the guy, he's been pretty much right about everything. He knew Young couldn't make the hard calls, and all his decisions so far have been the right ones.

Of course, that's minus the very first one that put them all on Destiny in the first place, heh. No matter how much I like Rush as a character, that was a pretty dick move, even if I understand it.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Kai,

Not the decision to frame Young. That's wasn't cool. He may have believe it necessary but that doesn't make it right.

[FallenAngelII]

Rush was dead right. There is no arguing this. Anyone not willing to do it themselves or at least not capable of seeing Rush's decision as the only correct one is unfit for command (read: Young).

Because let me ask you this: If the Lucian Alliance had not surrendered, how many non-LA people would've died? 4. If Young had vented the atmosphere immediately when the Lucian Alliance arrived on the ship, how many non-LA members would've died? One (two if Rush's brain had still been in Telford's body). How many people did die due to Young's blatant disregard for military protocol, command protocol and common sense? Too many to count.

If Young had done what he was supposed to do in the first place, only a few would've died and it would not have been a certainty, anyway. Vent the friggin' atmosphere, wait until they're all unconscious or near unconscious and then enter and restrain them all. Anyone with half a brain would've realized that that was the only way to go.

[garhkal]

Well.. We had the one Kiva killed (assassinated) in the gate room to prove her point. 2-3 in the hallways and iirc 2 in the med bay.

[Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble]

I believe no one should be condemned for not wanting to kill an innocent person no matter who or how many might die. I know Young is in command and has be trained to sacrifice the few for the many but it's his decision. I also don't condemn what Rush was willing to as he thought it was the right thing to do.

I was talking to a friend at uni and asked him would you kill one innocent person in order to stop 20 from being murdered and he said no he wouldn't. He said it was one of his morals never to kill another person, it doesn't matter weather 20 will die because some one killed them and wouldn't done so if you had killed another. You are not responsible for there deaths so no one can condemn you for not killing the on IMHO.

I might not refuse to kill one to save many but that's MY decision and should I not tell others how to act no matter how much I disagree with them. If you can't refuse to kill some one then what can you refuse to do?

[Shadow_7]

It depends on how you do the math. It's not just keep the status quo. The LA folks have knowledge and resources that might benefit the overall mission. At a minimum it's more red shirts. Which given the remote, no home team has access to replenish it's people (or resources) nature, is an issue. They might not be the home team, but they are people where there might otherwise be none. Despite the starvation aspect, once the current crew dies or attritions out to planets in route, that's it, Destiny will once again be unmanned. So yes Youngs choice didn't benefit the home team, but I would hazard a guess that it will ultimately prove valueable to the mission. Or at least a slightly better plot than feed me seamore?

[garhkal]

I believe no one should be condemned for not wanting to kill an innocent person no matter who or how many might die. I know Young is in command and has be trained to sacrifice the few for the many but it's his decision. I also don't condemn what Rush was willing to as he thought it was the right thing to do.


It is precicely that young IS in command and has been trained to do this, which is why he is being condemmed for his choice. As a mil commander you are taught that the loss of some is preferable to the loss of all/the mission.