Where and When (210)

[Madwelshboy]

Pete and Myka travel to 1961 via H.G. Wells' time machine to stop a killer who is turning women into glass. Original Air Date: Sep 7, 2010

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[jelgate]

Thier is a mixed reaction to this episode. I rather liked the stuff in the present but found my mind wandering with the 1960s stuff. Thier was something about the time traveling Pete and Myka that interested me. It was a little too predictible and cliche. I just saw what was going to happen 10 minutes into the episode. The minute I saw the businessman's wife I knew she was to blame. But their is a silve lining. The interaction between Pete and Myka and how they relate to Jack and Rebecca is quite entertaining and funny. Its funny how much the two pairs mirror one another. Plus I loved the joke about Mrs. Fredricks scarring everyone. I will say this despite the boredem of the A story the part of Rebecca wanting to die to see Jack one last time was sad and quite touching.

The real gold of this episode is the tension between Artie and Wells and the rest of the warehouse group. I know this is pretty polarized opinion in W13 fandom so I don't really want to post favorites (even if I do have my side). I just have to say its really interesting to see the hostility their is between one another. Given their history in W13 both sides is understandable. More importantly the Artie/Wells stuff seems in character unlike the Myka and Wells stuff of past episodes

[Gamma626]

I really liked this one. Love HG.

"How come HG got a gold star?" is my favorite line of the episode.

[DigiFluid]

I found it a little slow this week too. A bit predictable all-around, and I was a little annoyed at how suddenly Artie went from distrusting HG's time travel device to believing it worked just fine as soon as Pete and Myka woke up.

I'm also not totally clear on what happened with Rebecca at the end. If the time machine causes you to totally take over the recipient's body, how come she remembers waking up in a field and then kissing him--if she was occupying her own body up until the kiss happened? And if the guy had always been a jerk to her, how come he was all lovey-dovey "should've done this a long time ago" right at the end?

On another topic, does anyone else still feel like H.G. is hiding something? I know they've been pushing the redemption angle for a while now, and used this episode as a vehicle for Artie to forgive her, but it still feels off IMO. Like she could still betray them at any moment.

[MIZA]

I found it a little slow this week too. A bit predictable all-around, and I was a little annoyed at how suddenly Artie went from distrusting HG's time travel device to believing it worked just fine as soon as Pete and Myka woke up.

I'm also not totally clear on what happened with Rebecca at the end. If the time machine causes you to totally take over the recipient's body, how come she remembers waking up in a field and then kissing him--if she was occupying her own body up until the kiss happened? And if the guy had always been a jerk to her, how come he was all lovey-dovey "should've done this a long time ago" right at the end?

On another topic, does anyone else still feel like H.G. is hiding something? I know they've been pushing the redemption angle for a while now, and used this episode as a vehicle for Artie to forgive her, but it still feels off IMO. Like she could still betray them at any moment.

i agree with you i think there is something more to HG Wells thans what she is saying , there is always a boom twist !! , but i missed half this episode anyway, ( thats what happens when you ride a bike), so , i can't believe Artie still had the gun on her ?!

also did anyone catch the Comic-con 2010 panel OMG mrs frederick is so different in real life

[DigiFluid]

also did anyone catch the Comic-con 2010 panel OMG mrs frederick is so different in real life
I haven't caught that yet no, but having seen CCH Pounder in other roles I certainly believe it :)

[Osiristi]

Flux Capacitor spotted in Helena's time machine :D

[DigiFluid]

I noticed that too :D

[mandogater]

Things are getting interesting.
Artie softened toward H.G. at the end. Makes me wonder how bad things could get in the finale if she ends up going bad.

[Inquisitor]

I found it a little slow this week too. A bit predictable all-around, and I was a little annoyed at how suddenly Artie went from distrusting HG's time travel device to believing it worked just fine as soon as Pete and Myka woke up.

I'm also not totally clear on what happened with Rebecca at the end. If the time machine causes you to totally take over the recipient's body, how come she remembers waking up in a field and then kissing him--if she was occupying her own body up until the kiss happened? And if the guy had always been a jerk to her, how come he was all lovey-dovey "should've done this a long time ago" right at the end?

On another topic, does anyone else still feel like H.G. is hiding something? I know they've been pushing the redemption angle for a while now, and used this episode as a vehicle for Artie to forgive her, but it still feels off IMO. Like she could still betray them at any moment.

Rebecca said she remembered waking up while she was being kissed, which is what happened at the end. What I believe happened is Rebecca goes back to the exact moment they're waking up, kisses Jack, and then the time machine stopped working. So when she woke up, it was her who initiated the kiss, which I found kinda poetic and tragic at the same time.
The other thing is, at the beginning of the episode, she mentioned that she was always in love with him but they were mean to each other (kids in the playground I suppose, just like Pete and Mika, probably..). I suppose he was too, and this is justified by Jack's line.

The thing I like about this episode is that you can't change the past. I think they did this quite well. I also liked the reference to HG's time machine.

Warehouse 13's approach to certain things reminds me of Sanctuary, it flips the cultural references upside down and inside out, which I really like.

Sure this episode is predictable at times, but most if not all of shows are. I learned long ago to not think too far ahead while watching TV :)

This is one of my favourite episodes of the season, and I found the ending (with Rebecca) one of the best. I don't want Artie to start trusting HG though. Maybe it's a plan of his to weed her out, lull her into a false sense of security in her plan for whatever?

I liked the part where HG talked about her experience with Claudia. I think Scagliotti played the reaction perfectly. I awkwardly laughed during that scene at the end.

[Spimman]

I really enjoyed this episode all around, of course for this show I an less critical and just try to enjoy the ride. So Ms. Fredrick was in charge in the 60's as well? No way she was 15 years old then so I now tip my hat (if I wore one) to SunKrux for seeing that one coming.

I'm really hoping HG Wells ends up dying to save the team instead of being the one killing them, even if she does have an ulterior motive I hope it is selfishly noble...like trading places with her daughter or something.

[jelgate]

I really enjoyed this episode all around, of course for this show I an less critical and just try to enjoy the ride. So Ms. Fredrick was in charge in the 60's as well? No way she was 15 years old then so I now tip my hat (if I wore one) to SunKrux for seeing that one coming.

I'm really hoping HG Wells ends up dying to save the team instead of being the one killing them, even if she does have an ulterior motive I hope it is selfishly noble...like trading places with her daughter or something.

Is it really that surprising? We have known for awhile Mrs. Fredricks doesn't age normally

[SunKrux]

I really enjoyed this episode all around, of course for this show I an less critical and just try to enjoy the ride. So Ms. Fredrick was in charge in the 60's as well? No way she was 15 years old then so I now tip my hat (if I wore one) to SunKrux for seeing that one coming.

I'm really hoping HG Wells ends up dying to save the team instead of being the one killing them, even if she does have an ulterior motive I hope it is selfishly noble...like trading places with her daughter or something.

Hey it was spelled out in the Pilot when Artie is talking to Pete and pointing to the guys in the picture. Mrs. F was in the photo and didn't look any different then she does now. Also, Artie told us numerous times that Mrs. F is who got him into the Warehouse and he's been there at least 30 years. So it really (at least for me and a few other fans) wasn't that hard to figure out that Mrs. F is as old as Methusila. ;)

I really enjoyed the ep. I'm one of the few who sees Myka and HG as strictly friends and it was nice to see Myka stick up for her friend, even though I still think that deep down that Myka knows HG is up to no good. But I think she's ignoring it because she totally understands the urge to go back and stop the death of someone you love.

LOVED that Myka couldn't handle the old dictating machine/tape recorder. LOL

Loved Pete wanting to stop the women from being killed. He might be a big ol goofball but he's got a big heart.

Was sad to see Rebecca leave, but at least she got to see Jack one more time. Cancer sucks big time.

[pjt]

And how'bout Pete and Myka's Excellent Adventure?
Or David Anders not being the bad guy for once? (Did anybody count his fingers? ;))
Armin Shimerman not being... Nah, he was his old self. :D
Jackie O... Kennedy?
Everybody smoking, and Pete thought he caught fire because of the time machine.

[mr_kennedy]

Decent Episode this week

Still not sure about HG Wells

Good seeing Armin Shimmerman again thats 2 Deep Space Nine Actors who have guest starred on Warehouse 13 this season :D

lol 2 BSG actors last season and 2 DS9 actors this season, are we going going to get 2 SG-1 actors next season?


And how'bout Pete and Myka's Excellent Adventure?
Or David Anders not being the bad guy for once? (Did anybody count his fingers? ;))
Armin Shimerman not being... Nah, he was his old self. :D
Jackie O... Kennedy?
Everybody smoking, and Pete thought he caught fire because of the time machine.

As soon as i saw David Anders i was like oh his the villain of this story :lol:

[pjt]

lol 2 BSG actors last season and 2 DS9 actors this season, are we going going to get 2 SG-1 actors next season?


Well, we had two from Firefly: Sean Maher and Jewel Staite (that's also one from Atlantis ;))
Two from Defying Gravity: Laura Harris and Paula Garcés
Mark Sheppard recurring and he's been in every sci-fi show already. ;)

[SunKrux]

We've also had 3 Eureka actors (not counting Neil just yet) as guest cast who all played different characters: Joe Morton "Henry", Nial (Zane) & the woman who plays "Jo Lupo" (sorry her name escapes me atm). Then Neil Grayston "Fargo" was on as Fargo.

If you like The Dresden Files, the actor who played Morgan, one of the Wardens was the cop in Mild Mannered. Also the woman who played the "Cougar" in the Pilot was also on The Dresden Files.

The fact that the show films near Toronto Canada probably helps with a lot of the casting. Even though some of the guest casts have been from the West Coast (Vancouver) of Canada while the show is on the East Coast of Canada. :D

[Inquisitor]

Erica Cerra! :)

[SunKrux]

Thanks Inquisitor. My brain was pretty much already asleep when I posted last night. :lol:

[Replicator Todd]

If you like The Dresden Files, the actor who played Morgan, one of the Wardens was the cop in Mild Mannered. Also the woman who played the "Cougar" in the Pilot was also on The Dresden Files.


Indeed! I liked that show. :(

[aretood2]

I liked this episode. Though it was predictable, I don't think it was intended to be unpredictable. The episode was, for me just like Jel, Rebbeca. It was quite touching to say the least. I also liked seeing Artie work through his distrust of Wells...and how Claudia is afraid of him :P...and her reaction to Wells when she was telling her about what she did to those men that killed her daughter...wow. Scags did a wonderful job with Claudia.

Though I do think Artie was too quick to give up his suspicions...or maybe he didn't...:weiranime42:

[mr_kennedy]

Well, we had two from Firefly: Sean Maher and Jewel Staite (that's also one from Atlantis ;))
Two from Defying Gravity: Laura Harris and Paula Garcés
Mark Sheppard recurring and he's been in every sci-fi show already. ;)

No **** :p not that thats a bad thing

OH! and you also forgot Joe Flanagin who was in season 1

[MIZA]

i don't know why Artie hates HG ? it's not like she did anything to him directly . i mean she did kill that guy , but i am pretty sure he was going to kill them anyway, maybe he thinks it's weird to have someone who was bronzed back to work like nothing happened ?!

also my favorite line " dude you gotta stop smoking " that was funny oh if they only knew about cancer risk of cigarettes?!

[jelgate]

i don't know why Artie hates HG ? it's not like she did anything to him directly . i mean she did kill that guy , but i am pretty sure he was going to kill them anyway, maybe he thinks it's weird to have someone who was bronzed back to work like nothing happened ?!

also my favorite line " dude you gotta stop smoking " that was funny oh if they only knew about cancer risk of cigarettes?!

Because she was bronzed for a reason. She commitied crimes of mass mayhem. As Artie said you have to trust one another in the Warehouse. How can you trust a murderer?

[MIZA]

what does Artie mean by that they tend to re -edit this these for children ?? what does that mean ? thanks

[Osiristi]

It means that everything gory and bloody is taken away from the original stories before they are made into children's fairy tales.

[MIZA]

It means that everything gory and bloody is taken away from the original stories before they are made into children's fairy tales.

oh thanks

[SunKrux]

Because she was bronzed for a reason. She commitied crimes of mass mayhem. As Artie said you have to trust one another in the Warehouse. How can you trust a murderer?

What crimes of mass mayhem has she committed? She killed MacPherson and supposedly accidentally killed one other agent. I don't recall them saying she's done anything else, save probably killed or severely maimed the robbers who killed her daughter. I don't consider those incidents as "mass mayhem". Now after the finale I might change that since it looks like she's about to cause a lot of mass mayhem.

[aretood2]

What crimes of mass mayhem has she committed? She killed MacPherson and supposedly accidentally killed one other agent. I don't recall them saying she's done anything else, save probably killed or severely maimed the robbers who killed her daughter. I don't consider those incidents as "mass mayhem". Now after the finale I might change that since it looks like she's about to cause a lot of mass mayhem.
Bronzing isn't to punish people who commit mass mayhem, it's to stop them before they commit said mayhem.

[SunKrux]

Bronzing isn't to punish people who commit mass mayhem, it's to stop them before they commit said mayhem.

I totally understand that...but HG, herself said she asked to be bronzed because she wasn't in her right mind. But Jel has stated she committed mass mayhem. I wanted to know where and when? Killing one person on purpose and accidentally killing someone else is not mass mayhem. Artie never said what she did so I'm not buying the "mass mayhem" committed by HG line. The killing (if she killed them) of the robbers who murdered her daughter, again I don't consider it "mass mayhem". That was revenge. It's not right, but to me it's still not mass mayhem. She may or may not have killed a total of what? 4 or 5 people that we know of? Not mass mayhem, imho.

[MIZA]

I totally understand that...but HG, herself said she asked to be bronzed because she wasn't in her right mind. But Jel has stated she committed mass mayhem. I wanted to know where and when? Killing one person on purpose and accidentally killing someone else is not mass mayhem. Artie never said what she did so I'm not buying the "mass mayhem" committed by HG line. The killing (if she killed them) of the robbers who murdered her daughter, again I don't consider it "mass mayhem". That was revenge. It's not right, but to me it's still not mass mayhem. She may or may not have killed a total of what? 4 or 5 people that we know of? Not mass mayhem, imho.

i guess it really doesn't matter what she really was bronzed for, but what matters is now, though screwed that up so i hope she gets bronzed again , sorry for those who like her, but i like Myka more and she played her

[SunKrux]

I knew that HG (as good as she is) was the season's big bad and was playing everyone, especially Myka. She's not going to be rebronzed I have a feeling. She'll get something worse. Although I don't know what would or could be worse than re-bronzing her. We'll now have to wait until S3 to find out.

[Linda06]

It was an okay ep this week. I found it a little boring at times in the 60' timeline. The present was good though. So H.G. came through for them in the end. I still think she's up to something and it isn't good. I wonder if Artie really does trust her now or is just pretending to trust her so he can keep a close eye on her without her knowing.

It was such a shame that Rebecca was dying :( I liked her. But at least she got her wish and was able to see Jack one last time :)

[jelgate]

It was an okay ep this week. I found it a little boring at times in the 60' timeline. The present was good though. So H.G. came through for them in the end. I still think she's up to something and it isn't good. I wonder if Artie really does trust her now or is just pretending to trust her so he can keep a close eye on her without her knowing.
It was such a shame that Rebecca was dying :( I liked her. But at least she got her wish and was able to see Jack one last time :)

You'll find out soon

[Linda06]

You'll find out soon

Okay, how many eps is there this season?

[jelgate]

Okay, how many eps is there this season?

2 more and the Christmas special which hasn't aired in the US yet.

[Linda06]

2 more and the Christmas special which hasn't aired in the US yet.

Ah right :D Thanks Jel :D