Should Earth use the Tok'ra Brainwash ( Zatarc) Detector ?

[ckwongau]

What what happen with Telford's brianwash.
Should Earth use the Tok'ra brain wash detector to prevent another infiltration .

The Lucian alliance use the Goa'uld brain wash Tech , it is preety powerful ,conside how Telford had gone over the edge .

With Earth 's control over Advance Asgard , Ancient and even some Wraith technologies .It would too dangerous if the Lucian ever get someone inside Stargate programme again.

The Tok'ra detector was use to to compare a person's conscious and conscious memories. And detect some one was brainwash or programme.

Should Earth use the Tok'ra device on people of the Stargate programmes?

The Tok'ra device was not very reliable.
For example ,Sam was mis-identified as brainwash or (programme) becaus eher feeling for Sam and her refusal to admite it.

But like Earth 's polygraph, it is often inconclusive and not admissable in court.
But even US government use polygraph on people working in sensitive area.

[beire]

I don't think that it is possible to let everyone go true that test, i don't know how many people work in/for the SGC but i think it ain't possible because then you should do that every week again to make sure nobody is compromised. And like you said, it's not 100% reliable.
But it can be used if someone suspect something.

[thekillman]

the device checks for a cover-up memory. unfortunately you'd have to go through everything the person went through offworld to do it. you'd need dozens of detectors and dozens of people constantly checking.

IMO it's better to regularly check the more important people.

[beire]

It would be easyer (in therms of faster to control everyone) to put the sgc personal every week into a room, cut off the air till they die and them bring them back (like Young did), then at least you know for sure they are not brainwashed.. :P
But i have my doubts that my proposal is a good idea :rolleyes:

[kwlafayette]

You would think such a thing would already be standard practice, for anyone returning from a long term off world undercover assignment. Anyone who you know has been captured, or could have been captured. It would not be necessary for people where you could account for 100% of their time.

If someone is out of sight for 30 seconds while they pee in the bush, not necessary. If someone is not seen or heard from for 3 days, then definitely.

[beire]

You would think such a thing would already be standard practice, for anyone returning from a long term off world undercover assignment. Anyone who you know has been captured, or could have been captured. It would not be necessary for people where you could account for 100% of their time.

If someone is out of sight for 30 seconds while they pee in the bush, not necessary. If someone is not seen or heard from for 3 days, then definitely.

True, but people can also be captured and brainwashed at their home since the LA are also on earth, so i think you would need to check a lot more people if you want to be certain that nobody is brainwashed.

[vszulc]

Well, the problem here is, that it's a piece of tech from the old SG1, so it's not really available here. Hell I don't even think that the Tokrahs exist in the SGU-universe.

[thekillman]

SGU verse=SG1 verse = SGA verse

[beire]

SGU verse=SG1 verse = SGA verse

True, but i think he means that there will not come any sg1/sga alliens in sgu.

http://showblogs.syfy.com/universe/index.php
2) Will we be meeting Dr. or military officer Cassandra any time soon? I know an episode of SG1 showed her in the future talking to the team, which implies she has access to the base.
3) Is there any chance of meeting some of the cool peoples we met previously (i.e. Asgard, Tollan, Nox, the old man whose wife died in Babylonia)?

Answers:...
2) No plans to revisit the Cassandra character.
3) Again, no plans to introduce alien elements from either of the previous shows.

[Mike.]

The Lucian Alliance does count as SG1 aliens (depending on your interpretation of what an "alien" is).

[hedwig]

What what happen with Telford's brianwash.
Should Earth use the Tok'ra brain wash detector to prevent another infiltration .

The Lucian alliance use the Goa'uld brain wash Tech , it is preety powerful ,conside how Telford had gone over the edge .

With Earth 's control over Advance Asgard , Ancient and even some Wraith technologies .It would too dangerous if the Lucian ever get someone inside Stargate programme again.

The Tok'ra detector was use to to compare a person's conscious and conscious memories. And detect some one was brainwash or programme.

Should Earth use the Tok'ra device on people of the Stargate programmes?

The Tok'ra device was not very reliable.
For example ,Sam was mis-identified as brainwash or (programme) becaus eher feeling for Sam and her refusal to admite it.

But like Earth 's polygraph, it is often inconclusive and not admissable in court.
But even US government use polygraph on people working in sensitive area.

Just have Teal'c sit with them and stare at them for an hour or two, and they'll cave in and confess to anything. :p:D

[garhkal]

It would be easyer (in therms of faster to control everyone) to put the sgc personal every week into a room, cut off the air till they die and them bring them back (like Young did), then at least you know for sure they are not brainwashed.. :P
But i have my doubts that my proposal is a good idea :rolleyes:

Well, if we gained access to a sarcofigi, it would be a moot point as if they DID die, we could resurrect them.

[Giantevilhead]

They should do it but I think we all know that it'll never happen, just like how they'll never install Asgard Goa'uld detectors in their bases.

[lordofseas]

They should do it but I think we all know that it'll never happen, just like how they'll never install Asgard Goa'uld detectors in their bases.

Or we'll just never see it in action.

[garhkal]

I wonder if that device thor had on Cimera is in their database..

[phenomenon-x]

Seems like it would be much easier to just get rid of the Lucian Alliance and eliminate the problem than to scan everybody.

They always seemed to me to pe a pretty shoddy organisation.

[knowles2]

Seems like it would be much easier to just get rid of the Lucian Alliance and eliminate the problem than to scan everybody.

They always seemed to me to pe a pretty shoddy organisation.
That more difficult said than done.

We only got a hand full of vessels an control even fewer worlds.

Why we do not know the full size of the Lucian Alliance, it been hinted that they could atleast match the Jaffa Nation in ship to ship combat an are more organise than they were in SG1.

Why they probably could not last a full scale war with Earth an Jaffa Nation they probably are not worth spending the effort an cost of defeating them.
Through given there recent improvements that could well change in the future.

[garhkal]

True. They have now stepped up their 'target level' from nuisance to big threat

[rekcah]

It's a Zatarc Detector first shown on Stargate SG1 Season 4 Episode 5 Devide and Conquer

Quote:
Martouf: In 2,000 years, the Tok'ra have never bowed to Goa'uld terrorism; we will not start now.
Freya: Either way, it is true that either way, that any of your personnel who may have encountered the Goa'uld in the last two months may have fallen victim.
Martouf: The problem is, zatarc programming is virtually impossible to detect.
Freya: That is not true.
Martouf: Your method is unproven.
Freya: It worked on one previous occasion.
Martouf: Even that is in question.
Freya: It is all we have right now.
Jack: Excuse me! Do we, or do we not have a Xanax detector?


They coulda used the xanax detector on Telford after he let 37 people die to cover his own ass.

[jsonitsac]

Zatarcs were more like Manchurian Candidates, programed to do only a certain thing. I don't think Telford was a Zatarc, I get the sense that they brainwashed him similar to what Apophis did to Rya'c or Teal'c.

[rekcah]

I dont think that anyone was saying that Telford was a zatarc, but that they could used the zatarc detector to see if he was lying. In Season 6 Episode 9 Allegiance, Selmak(i think it was) said that any deception would be detected not just zatarc's.

[Steelbox]

Zatarcs were more like Manchurian Candidates, programed to do only a certain thing. I don't think Telford was a Zatarc, I get the sense that they brainwashed him similar to what Apophis did to Rya'c or Teal'c.

Quiet the same yes. Shouldn't an Zat gun be an standard equipment among SGC personnel, or at least an retro-engineered one? An Zat worked for Rya'c's son, so why try the Rite of Mal-Sahraan?

[jsonitsac]

If he was truly brainwashed then he wouldn't believe he was lying. Hence any lie detector wouldn't work.

[Steelbox]

If he was truly brainwashed then he wouldn't believe he was lying. Hence any lie detector wouldn't work.

True, he wasn't "liyng", so an detector would not pick any disturbance or faulty memory.

[Eternal Density]

True, he wasn't "liyng", so an detector would not pick any disturbance or faulty memory.Wouldn't the memories of capture and being brainwashed etc, have to be covered up with false memories?
That's what the za'tarc detector looked for: things like false memories of escape when the team was actually captured and released. They couldn't have brainwashed Telford without having to cover up at least something.

If we ever did see something like the za'tarc detector in SGU it would of course be an Earth-built device reverse-engineered from "unspecified alien technology" - I doubt they'd actually specify za'tarc specifically.
(Fun fact: I started to mistakenly type "Tel'ford", I'm so used to putting apos'trophes in stargate names.)

[rekcah]

All they need is Master Bra'tac.

Season 5 Episode 2 Threshold
After Teal'c is brianwashed by Apophis, he tries to deceive the SGC. Master Bra'tac just looks at him and can tell that Teal'c is still brainwashed.

[Col.Ads]

I think its a cash of good in theory but not practical, I suppose it could be only used on those captured or infiltrating enemy lines but even then its still not practical due to the work done by SGC teams.

I think the best sort of detector was that used in Season 9 was it with Michell and the framed murder episode, unfortunatley that technology is not accessable due to the events that occured, but I think that is a better technology that that of the Tok'Ra