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May 2nd, 2010, 02:16 PM
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s09119
June 11th, 2010, 07:01 PM
I have no words to describe what I'm feeling after seeing that conclusion...

General Jumper One
June 11th, 2010, 07:02 PM
I don't get why the actors didn't like the finale, this was the best one in the franchise

Azzers
June 11th, 2010, 07:02 PM
Excellent... Just excellent.

Tyjos
June 11th, 2010, 07:03 PM
Damn it....I'm hoping they start shooting everyone...but those blasted trailers for the next episode spoil that plan.

But damn this was a good episode......I love the ending......

Stargater276
June 11th, 2010, 07:03 PM
That was brilliant.

GateroomGuard
June 11th, 2010, 07:03 PM
One thing... They put all the military personel in one room... I'm pretty sure there are more people than those 7 standing around Young.

Azzers
June 11th, 2010, 07:03 PM
Well to be fair, the acting was very action oriented, so as an actor it's probably not that interesting.

Makenshi
June 11th, 2010, 07:03 PM
October! That's going to be a looong wait... T__T

Orion Antreas
June 11th, 2010, 07:04 PM
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

jelgate
June 11th, 2010, 07:04 PM
I don't get why the actors didn't like the finale, this was the best one in the franchise

Look at all the peril the characters are in. Half the cast are on the verge of death. Guess its handy in those contracts didn't work out

TheRandomOne
June 11th, 2010, 07:04 PM
I don't get why the actors didn't like the finale, this was the best one in the franchise

Maybe because the Lucian Alliance are annoying. Most of them on that ship need to die now. If we have to put up with these morons most of next season I will be disappointed. They make the IOA look good

ladyjanus
June 11th, 2010, 07:05 PM
Now that's what i call a cliffhanger...

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 11th, 2010, 07:05 PM
October 5th 2010 will be the day!

Makenshi
June 11th, 2010, 07:05 PM
Varro is kinda cool, he should live. Kiva and the bald psycho are biatches, give them hell!

GateroomGuard
June 11th, 2010, 07:05 PM
If that bald lucian Alliance guy doesn't get killed I'll be upset. Young hits people, You DONT hit Young.

Starsaber
June 11th, 2010, 07:05 PM
I don't get why the actors didn't like the finale, this was the best one in the franchise

I'd say this is right up there with Siege Part 2 as far as the cliffhangar goes. Still like Siege better, but I might change my mind once this one has a chance to sink in.

Of course, I was watching on DVD for Siege, so I didn't have to wait a few months :(

SupremeLegate
June 11th, 2010, 07:06 PM
Well I can't wait until season 2 starts, when is that agian?

O'Neil
June 11th, 2010, 07:07 PM
This show has taken a detour down stupid lane.

The only hope this shows has left is giving Greer (even though he's a real pain) a automatic weapon, and let him start leveling out everyone.

This is a good example of why spin off's never work.... tisk tisk

s09119
June 11th, 2010, 07:07 PM
I don't get why the actors didn't like the finale, this was the best one in the franchise

They didn't like it? I can only think because they're afraid they'll be killed off. Virtually none of the main cast is safe right now.


Maybe because the Lucian Alliance are annoying. Most of them on that ship need to die now. If we have to put up with these morons most of next season I will be disappointed. They make the IOA look good

Yeah, I really hope the majority of them are killed. This was a great side story, but I'd like it to go back to Earth's explorations now.

Also, there are definitely more military personnel than we saw with Young. Maybe a lot of them were injured?

NavyGater
June 11th, 2010, 07:07 PM
I have not seen it yet, but aslong as Second Lieutenant Vanessa James makes it through to season 2 I will be happy lol

wargrafix
June 11th, 2010, 07:07 PM
It was awesome. Intense action. And tell me seriously everyone, who didn't love Eli's Han Solo style exit. Chloe gots da butterflies.

Makenshi
June 11th, 2010, 07:08 PM
The Siege is unbeatable, but this could beat SG-1 1x22... Though Apophis' Ha'tak passing Jupiter and reaching Earth was one hell of a cliffhanger... hmmm...

General Jumper One
June 11th, 2010, 07:08 PM
Well I can't wait until season 2 starts, when is that agian?


October 5th 2010 will be the day!

My Birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jelgate
June 11th, 2010, 07:08 PM
They didn't like it? I can only think because they're afraid they'll be killed off. Virtually none of the main cast is safe right now.




Rush looks pretty safe in his consle chair:P

GATEGOD
June 11th, 2010, 07:09 PM
Great ep! All I have to say is no fair! lol!! That guy at the end, the soldier who sprang up, got the weapon, killed almost everyone in the room, subdued the guy with the weapon, then that other cool guy killed him! "Nooo!!!" Live soldier man! Live!

Gallienus
June 11th, 2010, 07:09 PM
Well I'm suitably impressed, though this was a mega cliffhanger if I ever saw one, if for no other reason than all of the massive threads they've left hanging. I've been impressed with how much better the last three episodes of this season have been, in comparison to what we've seen before. Not that it was all bad, but in my view it's been these last few eps that have really shown what the franchise is capable of when handled properly. Now there's a four month hiatus and I'm very curious to see if this new quality can be maintained. Especially since they've set things up such that everyone's going to expect quite a resolution come October.

I guess if I had any one criticism it would be that things went exactly as I figured they'd go, there were no surprises or twists, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. I got exactly what I expected and the quality was top notch. I'll also say that the character moments weren't a distraction or of a lesser quality this go around either and unlike in the past I felt they added to what was happening.

Anyway I'm very enthusiastic about Season 2. I'm not prepared to say I've completely "bought into" this series, but they're on the right track to be sure. Can't wait for October to get here; well not just for SGU but my birthday as well!

Alan Wake
June 11th, 2010, 07:09 PM
This show has taken a detour down stupid lane.

The only hope this shows has left is giving Greer (even though he's a real pain) a automatic weapon, and let him start leveling out everyone.

This is a good example of why spin off's never work.... tisk tisk

If you're going to bag on the show, at least give reasons.

General Jumper One
June 11th, 2010, 07:10 PM
Rush looks pretty safe in his consle chair:P

and Eli + Chloe + Greer + Scott

I change my mind Incursion is right below the Siege and maybe the season 9 of SG-1, when it comes to finales

GateroomGuard
June 11th, 2010, 07:10 PM
Rush looks pretty safe in his consle chair:P

But does he have something to stab someone with when he shifts into Crazy Rush?

wargrafix
June 11th, 2010, 07:10 PM
They didn't like it? I can only think because they're afraid they'll be killed off. Virtually none of the main cast is safe right now.



Yeah, I really hope the majority of them are killed. This was a great side story, but I'd like it to go back to Earth's explorations now.

Also, there are definitely more military personnel than we saw with Young. Maybe a lot of them were injured?

Right now, I am really liking the direction. No more SG1 surviving retarded odds. Honestly I didn't give a damn about any of them since Plot-Kai kept them all alive. Now its intense and full of pure Win!

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 11th, 2010, 07:10 PM
My Birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And 2 days before mine. Mine is October 7th what great early 21st birthday present that will be.

VampyreWraith
June 11th, 2010, 07:11 PM
great ep, of the LA i like varro and the one who was helping tj, i hope they stay on a bit. telford was good too, i hope he doesnt die. The rest of the LA i dont care for.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 11th, 2010, 07:12 PM
Chloe might be die. Scott, Greer and Young may die as well. And T.J. Might be dead.

Briangate78
June 11th, 2010, 07:13 PM
I don't get why the actors didn't like the finale, this was the best one in the franchise

LOL, yeah ok. :rolleyes: I would not go there.

Alan Wake
June 11th, 2010, 07:13 PM
Chloe might be die. Scott, Greer and Young may die as well. And T.J. Might be dead.

The entire cast won't die.

Starsaber
June 11th, 2010, 07:13 PM
and Eli + Chloe + Greer + Scott

I change my mind Incursion is right below the Siege and maybe the season 9 of SG-1, when it comes to finales

Eli at least, but not the other three. Chloe looks like she's lost a lot of blood and was about to pass out (if she didn't already). And right before the fade to black, the lights were starting to flicker because of the pulsar and Scott and Greer were still outside. They weren't captured by the LA, but still in some pretty deep excrement.

FoX-1028
June 11th, 2010, 07:13 PM
Awesome Cliffhanger! Young look at the end was just aweesome and the soundtrack playing :D
Get that countdown thread on right now!! :D lol

Briangate78
June 11th, 2010, 07:14 PM
I'd say this is right up there with Siege Part 2 as far as the cliffhangar goes. Still like Siege better, but I might change my mind once this one has a chance to sink in.

Of course, I was watching on DVD for Siege, so I didn't have to wait a few months :(

Green for you.

Utitan
June 11th, 2010, 07:14 PM
Did they seriously Just kill TJ??? Chloe too??!! I cant effin believe it just ended like that... with you still on the edge of your frackin chair!! No That wasn't fair at all.. brilliant writing. And one big HooRah to the marine blasting everyone.. maybe except for TJ. I'm damn glad Kiva got one, looks like her replacement is worse.

Young, your my point man on this show but I'm flat out disappointed.

Anubis21
June 11th, 2010, 07:14 PM
How can they end the season like that? I mean come on I have to know what the hell happens. Now we have to wait until October to find out the result of the Incursion.

Briangate78
June 11th, 2010, 07:16 PM
Ok, so here is my review of the Season one finale. Did I finally get my wow moment? Well yes, and no. I kinda felt they were leading up to this. I think Stargate has given us much stronger cliffhangers like “Camelot”, “First Strike”, and “The Seige part 2". So although to me it was a solid good ep, and an excellent cliffhanger, I felt the producers did not top themselves.

I think the episode dragged a little in the middle. You had both sides very quiet, trying to figure out what the other side was up to. Kiva is truly a ruthless person and she shows it by killing a red shirt, and I loved Rush’s comment to Young, but he was not trying to be a jerk, since he is correct that it is not anyone like Eli or Chloe or TJ. I think Wray was good in this episode also, and she was shocked to see Kiva use the 4th person trade as a dead body. Truly evil with that. I think way too many people were shot in the last two eps, and TJ would of been more powerful if say Kiva did it, that would of really made it more dramatic, oh well, still pretty good.

Now I think with all the stuff happening the most anticipating thing is well what will happen with TJ and how they will regain control of the Destiny. So there is a lot to anticipate for next season.

I think the best part of the episode is the last 3 or so 4 mins when the music montage goes on and you are seeing Eli running and Scott and Greer outside running while TJ is lying there bleeding. Very powerful stuff. Kinda reminds me a little of “The Reckoning” when it cuts to all 4 characters fighting the replicators while Daniel has been stabbed and is dying.

So overall a solid finale, A , or 9/10! Season 2 should be promising.

Fluffball
June 11th, 2010, 07:17 PM
I wonder if the LA will be the "main bad guys" that we got used to in the other two series. SG-1 was pretty much a chain of "we're totally and hopelessly out-gunned by the Goa'uld/Ori. Maybe the LA will be regularly interfering on destiny.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 11th, 2010, 07:17 PM
The entire cast won't die.

I'm just saying it looks like they aren't going to make it but we don't know if any of the main cast will be killed off.

O'Neil
June 11th, 2010, 07:17 PM
If you're going to bag on the show, at least give reasons.

Sure...

1. Someone needs to put Camille into a tube, and shoot her into the nearest star. Giving her control over a hostile situation is stupid. She obviously has no training and only wants to invite the enemy over for tea.

2. TJ should have slit that guys throat while she was standing there repairing his shoulder. He wanted to shake her hand (among other things). That would have been a good time to slice him up.

3. Wheres the borg when you need them?

Makenshi
June 11th, 2010, 07:18 PM
suffer, bwa ha ha ha

ok, seriously, it's a pain to be left in a cliffhanger, but it's also the cool thing of season finales, so...

stand you ground, soldier! you will not fear, falter or give a single step to the enemy! o>

jelgate
June 11th, 2010, 07:19 PM
and Eli + Chloe + Greer + Scott

I change my mind Incursion is right below the Siege and maybe the season 9 of SG-1, when it comes to finales

Greer and Scott are running alongside the hull of the ship. When that shield drops because of the pulasr they are dead. Gamma radiation is quite cruel.

jelgate
June 11th, 2010, 07:20 PM
I'm just saying it looks like they aren't going to make it but we don't know if any of the main cast will be killed off.

Actually we do based on the actors that are reporting for season 2.

Thor_1980
June 11th, 2010, 07:21 PM
Wow, that was one heck of an ending. Seriously, this is gonna be a very looooong summer.

Briangate78
June 11th, 2010, 07:22 PM
Gotta say, that First Strike was much more of a cliffhanger, because you really thought Weir was not going to make it since the actress did not sign onto the next season as a full time cast member. Heck was chatting with Alaina Huffman tonight, and she will be back full time next season, lol.

The baby, I don't think will make it.

GateroomGuard
June 11th, 2010, 07:24 PM
The baby, I don't think will make it.

Well the baby didn't even have an actor to play it.

Starsaber
June 11th, 2010, 07:25 PM
Sure...

2. TJ should have slit that guys throat while she was standing there repairing his shoulder. He wanted to shake her hand (among other things). That would have been a good time to slice him up.

3. Wheres the borg when you need them?

2. If she did that, Kiva would have killed her and probably a couple other hostages.
3. Wrong franchise. That'd be like me complaining that a BSG episode didn't have the Wraith in it.

the fifth man
June 11th, 2010, 07:25 PM
Wow, that was one heck of an ending. Seriously, this is gonna be a very looooong summer.

Yeah, it really will be. This was a great season finale IMO, and I can't wait until October for Season 2. A lot of people's lives hang in the balance.

VampyreWraith
June 11th, 2010, 07:25 PM
Ok, so here is my review of the Season one finale. Did I finally get my wow moment? Well yes, and no. I kinda felt they were leading up to this. I think Stargate has given us much stronger cliffhangers like “Camelot”, “First Strike”, and “The Seige part 2". So although to me it was a solid good ep, and an excellent cliffhanger, I felt the producers did not top themselves.

I think the episode dragged a little in the middle. You had both sides very quiet, trying to figure out what the other side was up to. Kiva is truly a ruthless person and she shows it by killing a red shirt, and I loved Rush’s comment to Young, but he was not trying to be a jerk, since he is correct that it is not anyone like Eli or Chloe or TJ. I think Wray was good in this episode also, and she was shocked to see Kiva use the 4th person trade as a dead body. Truly evil with that. I think way too many people were shot in the last two eps, and TJ would of been more powerful if say Kiva did it, that would of really made it more dramatic, oh well, still pretty good.

Now I think with all the stuff happening the most anticipating thing is well what will happen with TJ and how they will regain control of the Destiny. So there is a lot to anticipate for next season.

I think the best part of the episode is the last 3 or so 4 mins when the music montage goes on and you are seeing Eli running and Scott and Greer outside running while TJ is lying there bleeding. Very powerful stuff. Kinda reminds me a little of “The Reckoning” when it cuts to all 4 characters fighting the replicators while Daniel has been stabbed and is dying.

So overall a solid finale, A , or 9/10! Season 2 should be promising.

I agree with all of that. and the way it ended kinda reminded me of the way seige pt2 ended. i really wasnt surprised with anything that happened. Overall i really liked it a lot . I cant wait to see what happens in oct.

Tielster
June 11th, 2010, 07:26 PM
Phenomenal. Truly. I'm speechless.

Tielster
June 11th, 2010, 07:26 PM
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

I Concur!!!

O'Neil
June 11th, 2010, 07:27 PM
3. Wrong franchise. That'd be like me complaining that a BSG episode didn't have the Wraith in it.

Yeah, that was a bit of sarcasm..... because the borg dont negotiate.... and keep coming no matter what.... nevermind.

Briangate78
June 11th, 2010, 07:27 PM
I agree with all of that. and the way it ended kinda reminded me of the way seige pt2 ended. i really wasnt surprised with anything that happened. Overall i really liked it a lot . I cant wait to see what happens in oct.

If the Smurfs showed up in the final min, would of been AWESOME!!!! :p

themeatcleaver
June 11th, 2010, 07:28 PM
If the Smurfs showed up in the final min, would of been AWESOME!!!! :p

Who knows? Maybe they will? =D

Tielster
June 11th, 2010, 07:28 PM
Maybe because the Lucian Alliance are annoying. Most of them on that ship need to die now. If we have to put up with these morons most of next season I will be disappointed. They make the IOA look good

I totally disagree. I think they're brilliant. They've become dedicated and passionate. Not like the trivial, drooling twits they were when they were first finding their feet.

Makenshi
June 11th, 2010, 07:29 PM
Damn, Brody shouting "incoming wormhole" during this crisis would be teh pwn! @.@

Tielster
June 11th, 2010, 07:29 PM
If that bald lucian Alliance guy doesn't get killed I'll be upset. Young hits people, You DONT hit Young.

Yeah... He's pissed. Can't wait for that. lol

GateroomGuard
June 11th, 2010, 07:29 PM
Well these past episodes have reminded me most of the Genii takeover of Atlantis episodes. Except when they had their cliffhanger ending Sheppard was still going John Mclane on them, now we've just got Eli trying to save the two John Mclanes. Very bleak ending.

Beka
June 11th, 2010, 07:31 PM
Right now, I am really liking the direction. No more SG1 surviving retarded odds. Honestly I didn't give a damn about any of them since Plot-Kai kept them all alive. Now its intense and full of pure Win!

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I bet none of the main characters of SGU are dead or will die in the next few episodes. Scott, Greer, Chloe, Eli, TJ, Young, Rush, Wray won't die and probably not even Telford, who I don't count as a main character.

the fifth man
June 11th, 2010, 07:31 PM
Eli has come such a long way IMO since the very beginning of this show. He was playing quite the hero in this one.

Vanek26
June 11th, 2010, 07:31 PM
Varro is kinda cool, he should live. Kiva and the bald psycho are biatches, give them hell!

He is certainly a lot different than Ventrall.

Hope he manages to take over the Lucian Alliance instead of bald psycho.

Tielster
June 11th, 2010, 07:32 PM
It was awesome. Intense action. And tell me seriously everyone, who didn't love Eli's Han Solo style exit. Chloe gots da butterflies.

Amazing!!! And koodos for David Blue. He really pulled off 'Dear God give me the strength'. Incredibly moving!!

Briangate78
June 11th, 2010, 07:33 PM
Well these past episodes have reminded me most of the Genii takeover of Atlantis episodes. Except when they had their cliffhanger ending Sheppard was still going John Mclane on them, now we've just got Eli trying to save the two John Mclanes. Very bleak ending.

It had a mix of The Storm and First Strike. The Storm because of the plot of the episode, enemy taking over the ship/city, and First Strike because of T.J. being shot. Two of my favorite eps in one is certainly a good mix, lol.

Utitan
June 11th, 2010, 07:34 PM
I don't know the list that Jel is suggesting but I highly doubt TJ will be killed off, however they don't have to write in a baby anymore. Scott, Greer, Eli, they make it I'm sure. I really, really, wish they would get rid of Wray. I'm tired of her back home side plots. Chloe is the biggest question for me. All in all seems her situation was much dire..

I can say I thought that finale was excellent, maybe did drag a little in the middle. The story line between Eli and Chloe was fair and is one reason I believe she is gone. You did feel as if you got a little vindication when Telford shot Kiva, Seems odd they would bring him through a major plot of the show and bring him aboard Destiny just to kill him off. I can say that they need to redeem Young fast in the season openers. He has been my favorite character hands down and this episode has left me disappointed.

Never been a big fan of the Stargates before Universe, but this is easily my favorite show on TV period. October just.can't. come. soon. enough!!!!

Tielster
June 11th, 2010, 07:37 PM
This show has taken a detour down stupid lane.

The only hope this shows has left is giving Greer (even though he's a real pain) a automatic weapon, and let him start leveling out everyone.

This is a good example of why spin off's never work.... tisk tisk


Huh? Were we watching the same show?!?! lol

Takamuri
June 11th, 2010, 07:37 PM
Actually we do based on the actors that are reporting for season 2.

Mind replying with who is reporting in for season 2 in a spoiler tag? :)

Fluffball
June 11th, 2010, 07:38 PM
He is certainly a lot different than Ventrall.

Hope he manages to take over the Lucian Alliance instead of bald psycho.

Could this be where we get our token alien team member?

Gatebsg
June 11th, 2010, 07:40 PM
man I hope the ratings match the quality of this episode the last 3 eps are pretty much imo the best three of SGU.

cnnrstrav
June 11th, 2010, 07:40 PM
This whole episode has been full of WIN! I can't believe how vicious and determined Kiva is! She should be a dominatrix! LASER WHIP!!! I am going to die of an aneurysm waiting for Season 2 of SGU to air. This cliffhanger was just as epic as the show itself!!!! Patience...

yeah, I copypastaed that from my twitter..haha! I chatted with the cast, Alaina and Jamil, while I watched! SO AWESOME! They are both really cool, Jamil is hilarious! They talked back to a few of my IMs, too!

Tielster
June 11th, 2010, 07:41 PM
The only thing that will rob this finally of it's intensity is if they ALL live. Someone has to die!! lol... Can't be TJ, though. Obviously she and Varro will be hooking up. Any takers? lol

General Jumper One
June 11th, 2010, 07:42 PM
can't wait for the screen captures

jelgate
June 11th, 2010, 07:42 PM
Mind replying with who is reporting in for season 2 in a spoiler tag? :)

All of the main cast. Recurring is a little more murky

Daniela
June 11th, 2010, 07:42 PM
I hope Telford lives. He's sooooooo hot! Besides I, I mean, the ship could use more eye candy.

So if Telford lives, and after the Lucian are destroyed, what role will he have on the ship? Hopefully he'll be fine with being No. 2.

Tielster
June 11th, 2010, 07:49 PM
Actually we do based on the actors that are reporting for season 2.

I'm actually fine with Scott biting it but I don't want to lose Greer!!!

GateroomGuard
June 11th, 2010, 07:56 PM
Mind replying with who is reporting in for season 2 in a spoiler tag? :)

LDP- Telford
Julia Benson- Lt. James
Patrick Gilmore- Volker
Jennifer Spence- Park
Peter Kelamis- Brody
Jeffrey Bowyer Chapman- Becker
These people have all tweeted about filming episodes for season 2.

hedwig
June 11th, 2010, 07:57 PM
Varro is kinda cool, he should live. Kiva and the bald psycho are biatches, give them hell!

Except he killed the guy grabbing the P90, and I'm sure there will be no forgiveness or shaking hands and letting bygones be bygones after all this.


LDP- Telford
Julia Benson- Lt. James
Patrick Gilmore- Volker
Jennifer Spence- Park
Peter Kelamis- Brody
Jeffrey Bowyer Chapman- Becker
These people have all tweeted about filming episodes for season 2.

If you look at the IMDB pages for each cast member, you'll see who is going to be in at least the first half of next season. :)

GateroomGuard
June 11th, 2010, 07:59 PM
If you look at the IMDB pages for each cast member, you'll see who is going to be in at least the first half of next season. :)

IMDB has misled me for this season. It will have to earn back my trust for failing me. ;)

Vanek26
June 11th, 2010, 07:59 PM
Mind replying with who is reporting in for season 2 in a spoiler tag? :)

LDP- Telford
Julia Benson- Lt. James
Patrick Gilmore- Volker
Jennifer Spence- Park
Peter Kelamis- Brody
Jeffrey Bowyer Chapman- Becker
These people have all tweeted about filming episodes for season 2.

Could be flashbacks, ghosts, ect. So not all are assured to be really around.

jelgate
June 11th, 2010, 08:00 PM
Except he killed the guy grabbing the P90, and I'm sure there will be no forgiveness or shaking hands and letting bygones be bygones after all this.



If you look at the IMDB pages for each cast member, you'll see who is going to be in at least the first half of next season. :)
I refuse to trust IMDB. They are too unreliable too often

GateroomGuard
June 11th, 2010, 08:03 PM
Could be flashbacks, ghosts, ect. So not all are assured to be really around.

That's possible but not likely in my opinion. Flashbacks really wouldn't give us anything for secondary characters, same with ghosts. If there are flashbacks and ghosts it would be of main characters. Besides the amount of times they've commented on filming and being on set, and in LDP's case flat out saying just a week ago that he's alive. I'm 99.9% sure all those people on my list will live.

hedwig
June 11th, 2010, 08:04 PM
That's possible but not likely in my opinion. Flashbacks really wouldn't give us anything for secondary characters, same with ghosts. If there are flashbacks and ghosts it would be of main characters. Besides the amount of times they've commented on filming and being on set, and in LDP's case flat out saying just a week ago that he's alive. I'm 99.9% sure all those people on my list will live.

I'm confident they will. :)

Jinxauthor Mel
June 11th, 2010, 08:06 PM
Could this be where we get our token alien team member?

I think so too. Maybe they merge the teams after all? remains to see who's gonna lead them, 'cause I don't think Young has been doing all that great a job at it so far. ^^()

NormaN
June 11th, 2010, 08:09 PM
Holy cow, what an ending.

jelgate
June 11th, 2010, 08:20 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents
If I could describe Incursion Part II in one word it would be speechless. I am totally speechless on the events that unfolded in this episode. Most specifically the ending but we are getting ahead of ourselves. The whole point of season finales in to leave your audience in suspense and just begging for more come the next season of the show. And count me as one of those people. I thought it was a worthy end to this season and all that SGU has brought us. The only downside is that I have to wait until October 5th to see how it plays out. But let’s get started on my last review for awhile.

Greer as a medic, it’s hilarious. I mean seriously the last thing you would see is Greer having the right mindset to conduct medical first aid. But besides that it was completely predictable. You knew the two would raise gun as they made a tradeoff. I kind of saw it coming and given the nature of TV I pretty much knew Young would fail miserably in whatever he was trying to do when he gave those medical supplies to Kiva. Speaking of Kiva she sure is cold. Just walking into the gateroom and shooting that soldier because she was angry. I have said it before and I will say it again you have to be a cold person to show absolutely no emotion when you kill someone like that. Its mind blowing.

The scenes with TJ caring with medical aid to wounded of the Lucian Alliance and soldier kind of dragged on. I understand the point of showing a kind and compassionate TJ and showing her trying to help those live on but it got a little dull after awhile. It seemed to serve no purpose but to prolong the episode and to show that one Lucian Alliance showing compassion to TJ. But you don’t need so many scenes to show that

Now I’m a Nuclear Medicine major at my university so I know what Brody said about the gamma radiation being so deadly to humans. He was so accurate about how gamma radiation is related to X-rays but it’s a TV show so I’ll let it slide. But I don’t know how accurate the part about the binary pulsar emitting that type of radiation is. I’ll have to consult my physics advisor on this. Anyway if that’s true it’s a pretty ingenious way to up the ante of the episode if you will. Not only do we have two groups fighting for control of Destiny but we also have a piece of “space matter” that wants to kill us. It makes it more dire and makes Kiva more cold and interesting

I have to credit to Wray on this one. I’m one the first to call her annoying and other things I’m not allowed to say here. But I take credit for the courage it took what she did arranging the prisoner exchange and going in there full well Kiva wouldn’t keep her end of the bargain. We all knew that was going to happen. Enough watching of SG1 has shown that the villain never is far to us. But making one of the prisoners exchanged a dead corpse is just plain sick and disgusting. That why I love it.

We should break for a second to talk about Eli and Chloe. Okay granted I’m not a huge shipper when it comes to these things. I tend to take it or leave it when it comes to these things because in the past Stargate series the writers have shown to me that writing ships is not their specialty. But I thought it was a shocker among other things. First of all at first I thought this would be Chloe whining about having no friends again like in Earth and I really did feel like seeing that again. However I was pleased to see her acknowledge that Eli is really a friend and not that dreaded friend zone girls sometimes put guys in. You people know who you are.:P But what really shocked me more then anything was that Chloe knew all along that Eli had a crush on her all along. I sure haters are probably going to bring out names for this but I think it shows a tender moments between the two in it really tries to show despite all this friction that there is a part of her that cares about Eli. Just a lot different then how she cares about Scott.

Okay now we can return to the action. This is Universe at its best. This show comes with a realistic solution for a problem (i.e. the pulsar) without coming up with something so out there it makes no sense. I’m looking at you Atlantis. The notion of collapsing the shield area to get more energy to engage the FTL drive makes so much logical sense that I applaud Mallozzi for making it sound good. But as always there has to be difficulty in arranging this plan. I was a little baffled that Wray (and Young) agreed to so much in exchange to be let over to correct the pulsar. Yes they had little time and yes Rush/Telford had a plan to gain control of the ship again its still quite a risk to make to give up so much. It’s like playing with fire. Speaking of Telford that scene where Kiva comes behind him when he is transferring command back to Rush and they both kill each other. That was quite intense but I guess that’s the point of season finale as I said before. Everyone needs to be put in jeopardy including your big recurring actors.

I know I said you want to be suspenseful and have you audience begging for more at the cliffhangers of season finales but that is too much. I’m just jaw dropping at everything is going on. We have a Lucian Alliance soldier shoot up the room leaving TJ for dead. We have Chloe passed out from what I can only guess is internal bleeding. We have Eli rushing to an airlock to save Scott and Greer who are about to die from a pulsar on the hull. And then the biggest draw dropping is the enraged Lucian Alliance 2IC gathering up all the military personnel including Young and is about to shoot them. Rush seems to be the only safe one in his console chair:P. I think it’s just cruel to make us this suspenseful for 3 months.

Shan Bruce Lee
June 11th, 2010, 08:22 PM
That was awesome. I can't believe they gave TJ the abortion. I loved the scene of the Runner (Varro?) shooting that soldier.


How can they end the season like that? I mean come on I have to know what the hell happens. Now we have to wait until October to find out the result of the Incursion.

Classic Stargate.

hassel
June 11th, 2010, 08:23 PM
I have really enjoyed the whole season, except the last 2 episodes. I feel the last 3 eps could have been cut down into 2. I understand this is a Character drama but damn it just moved so slow at times. The whole Eli / Chloe part was just horrible, giving up the ship was just ridiculous. Wray and Young are horrible leaders, they (Young) could have nipped this in the bud long ago, but know they have to be written as idiots. LA are plain dull, Kiva was kinda interesting but thats about it.

The cliffhanger was meh,
You KNOW they are going to get the ship back and overcome the odds,

you know the key chars are already talking about being on set for s2, very meh.

I am sorry to say and i know i am in the minority here but i am very disapointed =-( Think i will do a SG1 S4 rewatch to ease my pain.

PS - on a side note, David Blue is now Live on "innerspace" (the space channel commentary show) and looks like he lost a ton of weight. Hopefully we get some continuity next year -D

Pharaoh Atem
June 11th, 2010, 08:24 PM
I have no words to describe what I'm feeling after seeing that conclusion...

i wasn't impressed. the only big loss in the whole ep was the baby

Pharaoh Atem
June 11th, 2010, 08:27 PM
Chloe might be die. Scott, Greer and Young may die as well. And T.J. Might be dead.

and then the series would be pointless to watch

david2708
June 11th, 2010, 08:28 PM
All the usual boxes were ticked with the generic Hostage takoever plot. The shot pregnant lass was no real big shocker except maybe for American audiences who seem to get holier than thou whenever a soap character gets pregnant.
And it's always fun to visit the ep threads to read all the non-critical gushing that goes on. See ya next season!

Cheyenne67
June 11th, 2010, 08:28 PM
Holy crap, you got to be kidding me right? What the hell kind of ending was that? I'm so confused right now...

Ah the joys :)

Jakerod
June 11th, 2010, 08:32 PM
The baby isn't guaranteed gone. The shot looked like it hit a bit too high for that. I wouldn't be shocked if it was though. I can't wait until October now. That soldier/marine/airmen was pretty awesome charging the guy the way he did... until TJ got hit... and then him. Did Riley get hit too?

Drakonous
June 11th, 2010, 08:34 PM
Well this just made things interesting... Honestly I hope most of them survive and I have a few I wish don't but I'd rather not voice them for fear of people getting angry at me :P

jelgate
June 11th, 2010, 08:35 PM
i wasn't impressed. the only big loss in the whole ep was the baby

Thats just television. The main character never die...unless contracts fall through:P

Jinxauthor Mel
June 11th, 2010, 08:35 PM
I loved the scene of the Runner (Varro?) shooting that soldier.

So that's where I knew him from. I thought he looked familiar; thanks for mentioning. :)

Jinxauthor Mel
June 11th, 2010, 08:37 PM
and then the series would be pointless to watch

How so? Maybe the LA as new crew would spice things up? ;)

Pharaoh Atem
June 11th, 2010, 08:37 PM
Thats just television. The main character never die...unless contracts fall through:P

i would have been happy to see james die or at least riley

Jakerod
June 11th, 2010, 08:40 PM
i would have been happy to see james die or at least riley
Those are the only two that I really don't want to die. I am not even sure what happened to Riley yet. He was in that room when TJ got hit so i'm not sure if he did. James better live though. I've always liked the leaders of the secondary SG teams. Well except for the corrupt one in SG-1.

hedwig
June 11th, 2010, 08:42 PM
Well this just made things interesting... Honestly I hope most of them survive and I have a few I wish don't but I'd rather not voice them for fear of people getting angry at me :P

I don't think anybody will get angry with you. Just maybe lob a few pillows at you or something like that. :p:D

Kaiphantom
June 11th, 2010, 08:43 PM
Yup, Young is an idiot. If he had vented when he had the chance, this wouldn't have happened. And he gave in too easily on letting Kiva have the ship. He should have just vented her side and sent Scott and Greer in. Of course, Young and his people have plot armor, so they're gonna live through his dumb decisions; more's the pity. He might actually learn something if he keeps losing people through his idiot plays.

Of course, Kiva is an idiot, too. She's way too quick to wanna kill hostages, even though they are the only thing keeping her alive. She knows she's gonna die and her mission will fail unless she lets two people go fix the shield, and she presses for total control of the ship? She deserved to get shot. I wonder how she managed to climb up in the LA, being this dense. I suppose ruthlessness was all that got her the position.

Chloe calling Eli a friend over and over had to hurt. Poor guy is busting his butt for her, all over the place, and she refuses to see him as a man; someone that will honestly love and take care of her. I think he's proved himself to her a helluva lot more than Scott has. Though, to be honest, I keep wanting Eli *and* Scott to drop her. She's using both of them, and probably doesn't even realize it. Unless she gets a cold shoulder from both to really make her take stock of what she's doing, she won't grow.

Greer is badly in denial; trust Young? The guy who got you into this current mess by not having the balls to do what it took? Who surrendered everyone and now is gonna get you killed?

Here's hoping Season 2 really improves things. Too many people are carrying idiot balls.

Tielster
June 11th, 2010, 08:53 PM
i would have been happy to see james die or at least riley

I'm actually pretty irritated that they've made James so sensitive because she could be super badass. Booooo... And yes, I agree, Riley can dissipate. He's paste as far as I'm concerned.

Azzers
June 11th, 2010, 08:57 PM
Being badass and being sensitive are not mutually exclusive. Most people don't realize that many psychopaths are extremely sensitive to their own feelings. I'm not suggesting that psychopaths are badass, but many times when people "see" moments of badassery on TV, they're referring to how cold or brutal something is.

James is not a psychopath, but I can totally buy that she is both very sensitive AND capable of putting a man down without thinking about it.

Briangate78
June 11th, 2010, 08:58 PM
i wasn't impressed. the only big loss in the whole ep was the baby

It was good, but there has been better. Sorry, but Weir going flying back in the air, Atlantis cut off from Earth drifting in Space, fleeing from the replicators felt more of a danger and a cliffhanger to me.

jelgate
June 11th, 2010, 09:01 PM
It was good, but there has been better. Sorry, but Weir going flying back in the air, Atlantis cut off from Earth drifting in Space, fleeing from the replicators felt more of a danger and a cliffhanger to me.

I don't really care about the gamma radiation talk, they could make it up for all I care. I just like to see good drama, action, adventure, and suspense.Okay we get it Brain you like Atlantis:P And that wasn't very suspenseful to me. It was a good episode but I kind of knew how that episode was going to be resolved. Incursion had the kind of suspense reminiscent of the Siege.

Briangate78
June 11th, 2010, 09:05 PM
Okay we get it Brain you like Atlantis: P And that wasn't very suspenseful to me. It was a good episode but I kind of knew how that episode was going to be resolved. Incursion had the kind of suspense reminiscent of the Siege.

I'm not the only one, buddy.

Mitchell82
June 11th, 2010, 09:08 PM
DAMN! That's all I can say. This was a great episode a solid finale IMO.

Mitchell82
June 11th, 2010, 09:09 PM
It was good, but there has been better. Sorry, but Weir going flying back in the air, Atlantis cut off from Earth drifting in Space, fleeing from the replicators felt more of a danger and a cliffhanger to me.

That was great but IMO this was better.

FoX-1028
June 11th, 2010, 09:11 PM
The soundtrack @ the end, it was like all coming to a end. Young face was just awesome..
One of the best cliffhangers ive ever seen.

Nemises
June 11th, 2010, 09:14 PM
i cant see how young and co can survive now ? i reckon most of his men will die.

major davis
June 11th, 2010, 09:16 PM
Dude I was getting goosebumps for that ending... And I'd already seen it 5 times in Ukrainian. I agreed it lagged in the middle, and it might not be the greatest cliffhanger, but it was the best last 10 minutes of a stargate season finale IMO.

Mitchell82
June 11th, 2010, 09:16 PM
i cant see how young and co can survive now ? i reckon most of his men will die.

Easy Sgt Kick Ass AKA Sgt Greer saves the day.

General Jumper One
June 11th, 2010, 09:17 PM
I'm not the only one, buddy.

Yeah, he is not the only one, but I like all three, this episode was total suspense

Nemises
June 11th, 2010, 09:17 PM
Easy Sgt Kick Ass AKA Sgt Greer saves the day.

i cant see how he'll get from one end of the ship to another and that too when the LA have control over all the doors now.

jelgate
June 11th, 2010, 09:18 PM
i cant see how he'll get from one end of the ship to another and that too when the LA have controll over all the doors now.

The Lucian doesn't Remember Telford was transferring control Rush. Rush has control of some systems

Pharaoh Atem
June 11th, 2010, 09:18 PM
i cant see how young and co can survive now ? i reckon most of his men will die.

i rekon your wrong

Tielster
June 11th, 2010, 09:19 PM
That was great but IMO this was better.


Apples and oranges. I can't compare the two shows or the 'Gasp' affect. They both made me gasp and say 'Oh My God' outloud and that's all I ask of excellent sci-fi :)

erotavlas
June 11th, 2010, 09:19 PM
This episode was AMAZING! Especially loved the last few minutes including the part with Eli and Chloe....
Can't wait for Season two!!

Macphisto
June 11th, 2010, 09:22 PM
This was such a great cliffhanger, one of the best ever.

Yes, I liked Atlantis' going into season 5 too. This one was just so very different. Everyone is in immediate peril. In SGA, it was primarily Weir we were concerned about, but Rodney had time to figure something out as they were adrift through space.

There's no McKay or Carter that can save the day here because there's an enemy in the midst. It's not as simple as figuring out that the Replicators have a ZPM and that Weir can help. The military personnel are about to be executed. TJ has likely lost the baby and is at death's door herself. Chloe has had the life draining out of her since she got shot. Scott and Greer may be outside. The civilians might be executed as well. Telford is very likely dead. And the Lucian Alliance folks just lost a bunch of people in the infirmary and may be losing their commander.

I know they put these characters into peril and had no firm ideas on how to pull them out. That's often how the cliffhangers are written and the SGU cast apparently were a bit upset because they were left hanging too.

Tielster
June 11th, 2010, 09:28 PM
Let us not forget what Exceptional Sci-Fi really means. I don't define it as a giant shark in a lake or clayface make=up aliens. If someone comes to me wondering what exceptional Sci-Fi is, I can simply define it to them by showing them a quick clip of any of the EVA scenes from this show. Srsly... Great Sci-Fi, Stargate!!!

hedwig
June 11th, 2010, 09:34 PM
The soundtrack @ the end, it was like all coming to a end. Young face was just awesome..
One of the best cliffhangers ive ever seen.

That look on his face made me think he's wondering where he went wrong after telling Rush(?) that he was going to save every single person on the Destiny (his crew), and not one person was going to die. Famous last words ... :)

I feel badly for Young.

xxxevilgrinxxx
June 11th, 2010, 09:37 PM
hugely impressed with this episode!
even knowing that we were looking at cliffhangers, seeing so many was....wow....
I'm going to have to re-watch this tomorrow morning before I can come up with something more intelligent to say

Eternal Density
June 11th, 2010, 09:41 PM
I am amazed, that was really good! (Not that I was expecting otherwise :P)
So, let's see where the characters have been left:
Scott and Greer: It looks like they're getting gamma'd but you can be sure they either made it inside in time or found some other way to survive. So in that case it's artificial suspense made by keeping the resolution from us. It's possible that they only barely made it and thus aren't in so good shape (maybe someone got a limb fried? That would be more interesting than the standard narrow escape), in any case we have to wait months for the resolution.
Eli: doesn't seem to be in any direct peril (apart from wearing himself out by exertion) but emotionally he's in quite a state, being relied upon to save two lives while having to abandon Chloe who knows he'd do anything to save her. Even though he won't get physically injured he's not going to come out of this unscathed.
Chloe: Yeah we see her pass out but we can trust that she'll be rescued soon enough. Still plenty suspenseful.
TJ: she's not it a good way at all! Sure, we know she's going to survive but it's going to be very hard on her.
Young + various soliders: They're probably in the most peril as we can pretty much expect that there's going to be a big fight and some will be killed and several injured.
Telford and Kiva: wow, having them shooting each other was a shock when it happened, but at the same time not. Points to Kiva for immediately realising what was happening and reacting. And the way it occurred (appearing like they were attacked because they didn't have a proper crime scene investigator to point out that they shot each other) was a great catalyst for the ensuing conflict. Oops. Who knows whether either will survive?

There was some concern penned last week over whether Eli's position would end up as an all-too-convenient plot device. I feel that was nicely averted as a) he's only positioned to help two people, not to save the entire ship, and b) he was still out of place for the actual rescue and had to abandon Chloe. So it was a little bit convenient but not over the top.

Nice explanation for the guy who got toasted and for the computer/power problems. I figured it had to be radiation, and I'm glad it had nothing to do with Franklin or some Destiny AI or whatnot.
I think the scenes with Eli and Chloe were better than last week's.

Kiva completely outclassed Wray. Exchanging the soldier she'd killed was downright nasty! It'll be sad to see her gone as she added a lot to the show.
Young sure went pretty crazy with his 'fix it immediately' type demands :P Wow.
I also liked the moment between Greer and Scott about trusting their superior to do the right thing at the right time.

One last thing: I really liked the visuals of Destiny bathed in radiation and of Scott and Greer on the side of the ship with the tail far behind them!

SciFiRick
June 11th, 2010, 09:41 PM
October! That's going to be a looong wait... T__T

Agreed!!!!

SciFiRick
June 11th, 2010, 09:49 PM
Chloe might be die. Scott, Greer and Young may die as well. And T.J. Might be dead.

Hummm, Probably not.

Abiron
June 11th, 2010, 09:52 PM
This show has taken a detour down stupid lane.

The only hope this shows has left is giving Greer (even though he's a real pain) a automatic weapon, and let him start leveling out everyone.

This is a good example of why spin off's never work.... tisk tisk

Oh, I don't know...I thought that the spinoff of that Stargate movie worked pretty well...

Sapphire_Jade
June 11th, 2010, 09:52 PM
I liked this episode. Part one was better, but there were still scenes that had my jaw on the floor and me gasping! It was a decent cliffhanger, didn't get me itching to see the season 2 premiere. But I am interested in knowing who survives. And I hope this LA plot doesn't last too much longer. I liked it at first, but it is getting a little tired now. Well we have four months to theorize about next season. Let's take our time!

Demerzel
June 11th, 2010, 09:55 PM
Solid episode. Not perfect, but very good.

All in all it was all rather predictable but still very entertaining. I didn't expect Kiva and Telford to shoot each other like that, and it was great. That soldier who grabbed the Lucian Alliance thug and started shooting all around was...well...either courageous, or stupid as hell. He took down many enemies, but injured TJ and most likely killed Riley and others. Could have cared less about the Eli and Chloe scene, but I admit she was pretty good in those scenes, I prefer her pale and a mess than all dressed up, for some reason. Eli was sweet, I guess.

I was a huge fan of Young, I loved how psycho he could be sometimes because the irrational way he acts sometimes reminds me of myself. But this time, he crossed into idiot territory a few times.

The same thing that made me adore Light, made me love the end of this episode. The music. The soundtrack in the final scene is absolutely amazing, my favorite after the soundtrack from Light. Hard to believe this is the same guy that composed the Atlantis music. Not quite Bear McCreary, but very good.

I hope Telford doesn't die. He's one of the two senior actors on the show, and his acting skills bring a lot to SGU. The guy has presence, that you like him or not.

Finally, I have to agree with Brigante. First Strike and Camelot are my favorite Stargate season finales. Incursion Part 2 was not as strong as say, BSG season 1 ending, or even season 3 ending, but it was among the best few season finales of the franchise.

SciFiRick
June 11th, 2010, 10:02 PM
Did they seriously Just kill TJ??? Chloe too??!! I cant effin believe it just ended like that... with you still on the edge of your frackin chair!! No That wasn't fair at all.. brilliant writing. And one big HooRah to the marine blasting everyone.. maybe except for TJ. I'm damn glad Kiva got one, looks like her replacement is worse.

Young, your my point man on this show but I'm flat out disappointed.

More likely TJ will survive but lose the baby. Chloe just passing out due to blood loss. I thought the bald guy was more a body guard, follower and killer “on command” and then he takes command? I didn't see that coming. Of course he is almost as evil as Kiva so maybe nobody would dare challenge him. Varro would have been the one I would have expected to take charge especially since we know now that his recuperative powers are off the scale. It seems to me that would make him super human or he is a snake head.

Jinxauthor Mel
June 11th, 2010, 10:05 PM
Oh, I don't know...I thought that the spinoff of that Stargate movie worked pretty well...

:indeed:

Meshakhad
June 11th, 2010, 10:11 PM
Guys, I think I figured out why the Goa'uld exiled Anubis.

Before he was exiled, Anubis produced teleball shows for other Goa'uld. He was exiled for always ending a season on a cliffhanger.

ZoSo
June 11th, 2010, 10:11 PM
Well, I was one of the doomsayers after the first half of season one. And I'm man enough to admit I was wrong.

This show is really starting to show its potential. Hopefully it all comes together in season two.

And hopefully we slaughter all those Lucian Alliance <insert expletive here>.

magictrick
June 11th, 2010, 10:16 PM
Some things were just too predictable, and there will be obvious solutions to the problems.

TJ getting shot, not enough to kill her but enough to kill the baby. I think I (along with many others) predicted this outcome since we find out that she is pregnant.

Main cast members in imminent danger that could lead to death is anti-climatic. There's no way Young, Greer or Scott are gonna get killed off. Would've been more interesting if it was someone like Wray or another supporting cast member.

Unimportant character getting killed off in hostage situation for dramatic affect. Not so dramatic. Make it a supporting character who's face we've actually seen and has had at least a few lines.


Ok other than that, I enjoyed the episode :D Pretty good job for a season finale. I like the direction the Varro character is going, I hope they keep him on as recurring at the very least.

senilegreen
June 11th, 2010, 10:18 PM
Looks like I am going to be in the minority again...

Too many things about this episode keep me from giving it a thumbs up. Yes, parts of it were interesting or even exciting, but so much just seems too contrived. Waaaay too contrived.

For example, that Kiva and Telford would be so perfect of shots that in a surprise pull both could (perhaps) mortally wound the other in a single shot. It's like watching Clint Eastwood vs. The Lone Ranger.

Still, still, there is no good reason explained in the story for why the LA would even have gone to Destiny.

The concept of the cliffhanger at season's end is overdone in modern TV, and in this case SGU really poured it on thick. It would be one thing to be left wondering if all the military were about to be executed, OR, if Telford would live, OR if the preganant Lt. would live (or her child), OR if the two outside the ship would get back in time, OR if Eli could figure out how to get himself and his woman (heh) out in time before the oxygen depletes, OR if the ship manages to survive the next burst of gamma rays, OR if Kiva survives, OR if the civilians are next in line for execution, OR....

The suspense is painted on so thick that "over the top" doesn't adequately describe what happened. It's as if the writers are trying to make this into a James Bond movie.

Here again we get to the problem of the style in which SGU has been produced. The writers have tried to make us concerned about these people as if they were real. Well, good fiction should do that. Yet when the story-line becomes too improbable then I suspend my disbelief and all of a sudden the story looks like a spoof, or mockery, of what was originally intended.

If SGU survives to season two, let us hope that producers can decide which way to go: as a serious drama, or as a super-hero flick.

Fluffball
June 11th, 2010, 10:21 PM
The shot pregnant lass was no real big shocker except maybe for American audiences who seem to get holier than thou whenever a soap character gets pregnant

I don't understand this comment. If you mean we shouldn't feel empathy for TV characters, that sort of defeats the purpose of watching a good drama like SG:U. If you mean that the US has an unusual concern for not killing babies and the rest of the world doesn't care about babies, that's just a weird comment.

If TJ lives and the baby doesn't, that's going to be a major, HUGE event for her character. Probably for Young and Chloe as well. If the writers can make realistic characters, TJ will never be the same again.

Azzers
June 11th, 2010, 10:26 PM
Well if you can even remember a scene with the man who got shot, I'll give you bonus points. It was only dramatic in that it was meant to reinforce Kiva's character, not so much the emotional side.

The whole reason it's a cliffhanger is that you don't really "know" who's going to live or die. Thanks to IMDB and some people who tweet, we can guess pretty well. But watching that episode, that's about as effective as you can be with it.

Azzers
June 11th, 2010, 10:34 PM
Looks like I am going to be in the minority again...


The concept of the cliffhanger at season's end is overdone in modern TV, and in this case SGU really poured it on thick. It would be one thing to be left wondering if all the military were about to be executed, OR, if Telford would live, OR if the preganant Lt. would live (or her child), OR if the two outside the ship would get back in time, OR if Eli could figure out how to get himself and his woman (heh) out in time before the oxygen depletes, OR if the ship manages to survive the next burst of gamma rays, OR if Kiva survives, OR if the civilians are next in line for execution, OR....

The suspense is painted on so thick that "over the top" doesn't adequately describe what happened. It's as if the writers are trying to make this into a James Bond movie.



Because in real life, only two or three people are in danger at any one point in time, am I right? Do you feel me dog?

MattSilver 3k
June 11th, 2010, 10:47 PM
Okay, first off:


I don't get why the actors didn't like the finale, this was the best one in the franchise

Way to create a panic, genius. Listen, the only actor comment that could be construed as "negative" was BJ Smith's comment about the finale being "upsetting and cruel." We all know why, so, again, thanks for misquoting and kicking up a fuss in the first few pages of the thread.

So let's see what we have in this thread... We've got praise for the finale, hate for the finale, cries of it being too predictable, masturbating over Atlantis (Lolwhatz? SGAz isz muchz betterz lol!111one), hate for the people praising the finale and blah blah blah blah blah.

I enjoyed the finale a lot. The only casualty I think of importance (Apart from, you know, the baby) was Riley, who got peppered with bullets in the infirmary brawl. Again, I enjoyed the finale a lot. A lot more than when I decided to read this thread. Yeesh - how many people are just watching the show and enjoying the show and that's all? They're not constantly comparing it to the former shows, constantly nitpicking... I'm starting to think I'm the only damn one.

Nadji
June 11th, 2010, 10:48 PM
Just to some up characters in jeopardy -

Potential body count:
Destiny -
TJ
Telford
Greer
Scott
Young + and soldiers
Chloe

LA -
Kiva

Did I miss any?

SciFiRick
June 11th, 2010, 10:48 PM
Looks like I am going to be in the minority again...

Too many things about this episode keep me from giving it a thumbs up. Yes, parts of it were interesting or even exciting, but so much just seems too contrived. Waaaay too contrived.

For example, that Kiva and Telford would be so perfect of shots that in a surprise pull both could (perhaps) mortally wound the other in a single shot. It's like watching Clint Eastwood vs. The Lone Ranger.

Still, still, there is no good reason explained in the story for why the LA would even have gone to Destiny.

The concept of the cliffhanger at season's end is overdone in modern TV, and in this case SGU really poured it on thick. It would be one thing to be left wondering if all the military were about to be executed, OR, if Telford would live, OR if the preganant Lt. would live (or her child), OR if the two outside the ship would get back in time, OR if Eli could figure out how to get himself and his woman (heh) out in time before the oxygen depletes, OR if the ship manages to survive the next burst of gamma rays, OR if Kiva survives, OR if the civilians are next in line for execution, OR....

The suspense is painted on so thick that "over the top" doesn't adequately describe what happened. It's as if the writers are trying to make this into a James Bond movie.

Here again we get to the problem of the style in which SGU has been produced. The writers have tried to make us concerned about these people as if they were real. Well, good fiction should do that. Yet when the story-line becomes too improbable then I suspend my disbelief and all of a sudden the story looks like a spoof, or mockery, of what was originally intended.

If SGU survives to season two, let us hope that producers can decide which way to go: as a serious drama, or as a super-hero flick.

If SGU survives TO season 2? There will be a season 2. Filming has already started and 2/3 of the episodes have titles. I think all of the "OR" questions is quite different from either of the Stargate series finales. It maybe a lot of questions but it brings to light just how many different outcomes can come out of this. I don't fail the writers from trying something different. I think that is why some many people on this thread thought this ending was so good. I myself enjoyed not only this episode but the entire season.

I do agree that we still don't really know why the LA wants Destiny and loved Clint Eastwood and the Lone Ranger.

The writers want to keep it real and authentic but it is television and I was entertained. I still think that the time between seasons is not viewer/fan friendly. They could start the season earlier once the first 10 or 12 episodes are in the can while still be filming the back half of the season.

I give it a thumbs up!!

Tielster
June 11th, 2010, 10:59 PM
And I hope this LA plot doesn't last too much longer. I liked it at first, but it is getting a little tired now. Well we have four months to theorize about next season. Let's take our time!

I think the whole point of the LA plot was to get new people on the ship. I love what they've done with the LA but it seems I'm in the minority. lol... But really... when the dust settles we'll have some new peeps that arrived before our eyes rather then the 'Lost' method of just throwing new faces in and hoping we weren't keeping track of every last flying body through the gate in the pilot... which most of us were :cool:

carmencatalina
June 11th, 2010, 11:02 PM
I don't even know what to say, except that the final scene, of the SG military personnel going down on their knees, presumably to be executed, with Young standing there, was really powerful and I can't freakin' believe I have to wait until October for the rest.

Azzers
June 11th, 2010, 11:02 PM
My concern about the LA is not so much that I don't like them, it's that I'm not sure they've done enough with the people they already have. I still don't think I know Riley, James, and most of the principal cast in an intimate way yet. Now they're going to have to teach me about hoards of new people who are completely different?

I don't hate what they're doing, but I am afraid they might muddy the waters up too much and that the narrative just becomes a mess.


And you know what I loved about that scene carmentcatalina? That they fade out with the pulsar so right as Young is staring up, wondering what happened, we suddenly snap back and remember those outside.

Tielster
June 11th, 2010, 11:03 PM
And actually... I'm pretty irritated that the 2nd Icarus planet blew up. I guess they didn't want too many connections to either of the two previous shows but I think it would have been incredible to have a team of people recovering the data from the 2nd Icaruss planet and working to connect to Destiny. I can only imagine the writers have bigger and better plans. Or, at least.. They Better!! :)

spinny magee
June 11th, 2010, 11:05 PM
Some things were just too predictable, and there will be obvious solutions to the problems.

TJ getting shot, not enough to kill her but enough to kill the baby. I think I (along with many others) predicted this outcome since we find out that she is pregnant.

Main cast members in imminent danger that could lead to death is anti-climatic. There's no way Young, Greer or Scott are gonna get killed off. Would've been more interesting if it was someone like Wray or another supporting cast member.

Unimportant character getting killed off in hostage situation for dramatic affect. Not so dramatic. Make it a supporting character who's face we've actually seen and has had at least a few lines.


Ok other than that, I enjoyed the episode :D Pretty good job for a season finale. I like the direction the Varro character is going, I hope they keep him on as recurring at the very least.

Well that was productive...........

GenieinaZPM
June 11th, 2010, 11:07 PM
I'm not even going to bother comparing this to any other SG's. SGU stands alone. It has a different feel to it (more dramatic, I think - personal opinion). This was an awesome season and an amazing season finale. The cliffhangers are going to drive me insane. October can't come fast enough! I'm going to have to find something else to distract myself until then....not going to be easy. Any suggestions? I've seen ALL of SG-1 (including all the movies) and I'm working on seasons 4-5 of SGA. Need.....MOAR!!!

GateroomGuard
June 11th, 2010, 11:27 PM
Well I have to say I was worried about the season finale and my worries were pretty unjustified. I assumed they were going to kill off a bunch of characters but all the ones I was worried about made it out. Volker, Brody, James, and Park all made it. I'm worried about Riley but I'm pretty sure I saw him moving after the shooting.

The only people in any real danger were the main cast. And since their the main cast their all safe, they never die, they just fall unconsious for the finale and wake up next episode. The secondary characters are the only ones I ever worry about because they don't go unconsious they just die.

Cold Fuzz
June 11th, 2010, 11:30 PM
Some things were just too predictable, and there will be obvious solutions to the problems.

TJ getting shot, not enough to kill her but enough to kill the baby. I think I (along with many others) predicted this outcome since we find out that she is pregnant.

Main cast members in imminent danger that could lead to death is anti-climatic. There's no way Young, Greer or Scott are gonna get killed off. Would've been more interesting if it was someone like Wray or another supporting cast member.

Unimportant character getting killed off in hostage situation for dramatic affect. Not so dramatic. Make it a supporting character who's face we've actually seen and has had at least a few lines.


Ok other than that, I enjoyed the episode :D Pretty good job for a season finale. I like the direction the Varro character is going, I hope they keep him on as recurring at the very least.

Mike Dopud has played some interesting guest characters in the past. If this means a regular guest starring role for him on SGU, I think that's great as he's actually one of the Lucian Alliance members that actually seems like a sympathetic character.

spinny magee
June 11th, 2010, 11:32 PM
I don't know why but after this finale am I the only one who can see this happening in intervention

. TJ's baby buys the farm
.Riley lives (after the marine gets killed you can see the lower part of Riley and he is crawling)
.Kiva Dies
.Bald dude dies
.Koz and Varro might "NOT" die
.Telford maybe lives I give him a 45% chance as imo there is only room for one colonel on that ship
.Varro halts the execution
.Chloe whilst looking for eli accidently stumbles on a beast living in the underdepths of destiny and gets eaten

Gollumpus
June 11th, 2010, 11:34 PM
I don't know why but after this finale am I the only one who can see this happening in intervention

. TJ's baby buys the farm
.Riley lives (after the marine gets killed you can see the lower part of Riley and he is crawling)
.Kiva Dies
.Bald dude dies
.Koz and Varro might "NOT" die
.Telford maybe lives I give him a 45% chance as imo there is only room for one colonel on that ship
.Varro halts the execution
.Chloe whilst looking for eli accidently stumbles on a beast living in the underdepths of destiny and gets eaten

I don't give any of these much chance, except for Chloe getting eaten. :P

regards,
G.

GateroomGuard
June 11th, 2010, 11:35 PM
I don't know why but after this finale am I the only one who can see this happening in intervention

. TJ's baby buys the farm
.Riley lives (after the marine gets killed you can see the lower part of Riley and he is crawling)
.Kiva Dies
.Bald dude dies
.Koz and Varro might "NOT" die
.Telford maybe lives I give him a 45% chance as imo there is only room for one colonel on that ship
.Varro halts the execution
.Chloe whilst looking for eli accidently stumbles on a beast living in the underdepths of destiny and gets eaten

With the exception of your last point I'm going to say your most likely right. But I have a feeling Varro won't make it. I haven't heard about his actor staying on in season 2.

And if Telford has to die because their can only be one Colonel on the ship couldn't Young demote him and thereby heal him?

Gollumpus
June 11th, 2010, 11:41 PM
And if Telford has to die because their can only be one Colonel on the ship couldn't Young demote him and thereby heal him?

Young wouldn't have the authority to demote Telford. Telford would be the rank he is, regardless of who is in command. Young would be in command until he was removed from command by a superior officer... and then, there's the thing of how do you make that stick (assuming the troops on Destiny side with Young) when they're a dozen or so galaxies away from Earth.

regards,
G.

ONeill4tW
June 11th, 2010, 11:47 PM
Young wouldn't have the authority to demote Telford. Telford would be the rank he is, regardless of who is in command. Young would be in command until he was removed from command by a superior officer... and then, there's the thing of how do you make that stick (assuming the troops on Destiny side with Young) when they're a dozen or so galaxies away from Earth.

regards,
G.

I wouldn't mind Telford sticking to his cover as a Lucian and taking command of the Lucians.

Gollumpus
June 11th, 2010, 11:49 PM
I wouldn't mind Telford sticking to his cover as a Lucian and taking command of the Lucians.

An interesting thought, but where would Varro fit in this equation? :)

regards,
G.

ONeill4tW
June 11th, 2010, 11:51 PM
An interesting thought, but where would Varro fit in this equation? :)

regards,
G.

Dead? Turncoat?

Tielster
June 11th, 2010, 11:53 PM
Eli has come such a long way IMO since the very beginning of this show. He was playing quite the hero in this one.

I wasn't sure how they were gonna kick him into gear. I mean, we know he can save the day but how about they get us hooked on him!! But tonight's epi... man, his desperation in the last 5 minutes, SOO impressed!! Now I'm totally hooked on Eli :)

Gollumpus
June 11th, 2010, 11:55 PM
I see Varro having a better chance of continuing in SGU than Telford. I suspect he'll be the leader of the remaining LA members on Destiny.

regards,
G.

Stranded
June 12th, 2010, 12:37 AM
And 2 days before mine. Mine is October 7th what great early 21st birthday present that will be.

Mine is two days before the show comes back. Will that be an awesome birthday present? Indeed. :tealc:

Plenty of people having birthdays in the first few days of October.

ubc
June 12th, 2010, 12:48 AM
I knew it was too good to be true.

I watched SGU from the start based on the initial clips. I never liked any other Stargate shows before
this since they look worse than the Star Trek rubbish . Being a Vancouverite it looked like cheap mediocre TV
was our specialty. But SGU looked different, something smart intelligent and new, something that might be worth while.
A Sci-Fi show that doesn’t entirely revolve around killing each other or the aliens :(

The struggle was just survival of seemly ordinary people in an seemingly impossible environment with the occasional foraging trip along the way to solve problems and break up the stress.
It was refreshing new show, that was not ruined by the occasional brush with insect aliens.

But now it seems to have lost its way. The writers have thrown it all away with forcing integration of
some lame Terrorists group who just managed to escape the previous incarnations of SG series, before
TV Darwinism consigned them to the dustbin of history. Its really tooooo bad :(

I have this depressing theory about most Sci-Fi movies that they start with an interesting if not brilliant
concept/idea and wade into the story only to reach a point where they lose there way. At that point the
writers pull out some formula file and apply the easiest line of lest resistance to get to the end of the movie.
Its ooh so rare and refreshing when they actually developed the idea into something new.

Made in Canada eh, pity! :cool:

How depressing :(

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 12th, 2010, 12:51 AM
Here's a question when the power goes out would that shielded hull breach lose integrity and wouldn't Scott and Greer be able to just go in?

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 12th, 2010, 12:56 AM
According to IMDB.com (which some people might not believe) but apparently mike dopud is "Suppose to be" in intervention, aftermath and pathogen.

globex
June 12th, 2010, 01:04 AM
holy cow, the 3rd consecutive episode which was actually great to watch. Great musical scores, much better acting in this. This is the sort of stuff you want to see.

EvilSpaceAlien
June 12th, 2010, 01:04 AM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

That was just amazing. The best season finale I've seen in a looong time. It's up there with Galactica's first season finale when Adama got shot. In fact, I think this may just be the best Stargate season finale yet. You heard me, Brian! :P

I must watch it again. I simply must.

nano
June 12th, 2010, 01:08 AM
Chloe might be die. Scott, Greer and Young may die as well. And T.J. Might be dead.

dude she was shoot in the leg and givven that there was no dripping on the floor its safe to say that she'll live
ofc she did have some bloodloss before eli took care off here leg and when u loose some blood well lets just say ull be tired ALOT and have probs staying conscious :D

as far as scott & greer goes well they will survive in some lame and miraculous way :S done to death ofc :D


Young, your my point man on this show but I'm flat out disappointed.
I sure as hell agree with u on that and i hope they will kill him cause he's the worst leader ive ever seen... i mean how hard is it to push a button and get rid of our headache :mad: i sure as hell would have pushed the button as soon as the gate opened up :D

Stranded
June 12th, 2010, 01:27 AM
Yeesh - how many people are just watching the show and enjoying the show and that's all? They're not constantly comparing it to the former shows, constantly nitpicking... I'm starting to think I'm the only damn one.
Count me in as a second, at least. SGU is good television.


I'm not even going to bother comparing this to any other SG's. SGU stands alone. It has a different feel to it (more dramatic, I think - personal opinion). This was an awesome season and an amazing season finale. The cliffhangers are going to drive me insane. October can't come fast enough! I'm going to have to find something else to distract myself until then....not going to be easy. Any suggestions? I've seen ALL of SG-1 (including all the movies) and I'm working on seasons 4-5 of SGA. Need.....MOAR!!!
I recommend Battlestar Galactica - just make sure you check the ordering beforehand of which seasons and movies come in which order.

I've heard there's a show called Caprica (spin-off from BSG) but haven't had a chance to watch it yet so I can't comment on that one.


Here's a question when the power goes out would that shielded hull breach lose integrity and wouldn't Scott and Greer be able to just go in?

It would, but Scott and Greer would be dead long before that happened. Even those suits won't be able to save them if Destiny's shield has to struggle to protect the people inside.

Stranded
June 12th, 2010, 01:33 AM
I sure as hell agree with u on that and i hope they will kill him cause he's the worst leader ive ever seen... i mean how hard is it to push a button and get rid of our headache :mad: i sure as hell would have pushed the button as soon as the gate opened up :D

And have the death of a long-time friend on your conscience? I doubt it.

For that particular situation, at least, I would have done the same as Young.

Someone also complained about Kiva making a claim for control when they were asking her for access to the damaged hull, saying that it wasn't believable... I beg to differ. She had her one chance to get what she wanted and she took it. She knew that she held that hallway and they wanted it - and that they were literally forced to agree with whatever terms she set if anyone was to survive. She's cold and ruthless, and Young/Camille are not. Kiva knew that and used it to her advantage.

icsteffi
June 12th, 2010, 02:00 AM
I can see Varro stopping the execution. He was sort of nice to TJ, kinda. And can I just add. WWWWWWWWTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFF about that whole episode. TOO INTENSE FOR ME!

EvilSpaceAlien
June 12th, 2010, 02:00 AM
Well if you can even remember a scene with the man who got shot, I'll give you bonus points.

He was the guy who was "reading" with Lisa Park in the opening montage of Life. He is also seen in another scene in that episode. Now where's my bonus points, dammit!? I demand green! :P

tomstone
June 12th, 2010, 02:16 AM
I can see Varro stopping the execution. He was sort of nice to TJ, kinda. And can I just add. WWWWWWWWTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFF about that whole episode. TOO INTENSE FOR ME!

Its just hard knowing that we are left with so much cliffhangers at once and thats it for some time. I still enjoyed the start of this Series a lot. I think I will stick around for a few more Seasons.

P.S: Lost all my money on Franklin, well..... would have been cool.

eonflux
June 12th, 2010, 02:53 AM
And have the death of a long-time friend on your conscience? I doubt it.

For that particular situation, at least, I would have done the same as Young.

Someone also complained about Kiva making a claim for control when they were asking her for access to the damaged hull, saying that it wasn't believable... I beg to differ. She had her one chance to get what she wanted and she took it. She knew that she held that hallway and they wanted it - and that they were literally forced to agree with whatever terms she set if anyone was to survive. She's cold and ruthless, and Young/Camille are not. Kiva knew that and used it to her advantage.

First the whole situation is utmost ridiculous. Young had more than enough opportunity to get rid off this whole damn thing. His first change was the gateroom. Telford is a soldier enough said about this.

Now this ep. No way in hell I would let two of my men go outside. I would demand Kiva to give up one of her own to go help.

Why did he surrender his weapons. Can't figure this out he must have never played poker.
He is so fixated on bringing everyone home alive and look what happened.
The thing is a total mess.

The wont kill the military. It's just a cliffhanger drama. Young is in that room also. Enough said.

The whole Eli/Cloe thing has just been set up to save the 2 others.... hmmm

All this to get new people on board? Sorry but if LA joins the crew this show has lost the little credibility it has left. What is this. Star Trek Voyager 2010 ???

Aragon101
June 12th, 2010, 03:19 AM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

That was just amazing. The best season finale I've seen in a looong time. It's up there with Galactica's first season finale when Adama got shot. In fact, I think this may just be the best Stargate season finale yet. You heard me, Brian! :P

I must watch it again. I simply must.

This is one of those agree to disagree moments i was told about in human sciences :P

I headdesked at Young's choices. All the reasons why have been listed, and i just cannot bring myself to comprehend why he'd do anything else. Even O'Neill agreed that Young dropped the ball. Was that some kind of "justifying" that Young isn't a good leader? How'd he become a full bird Colonel if he didn't show good leadership beforehand?

The whole situation is contrived and forced. Young's mistake is as bad as "Greedo Shot First". It makes no sense. What i would have MUCH rather seen is point and counterpoint.

Young vents the gateroom, there's boobytraps and James and Greer waiting to shoot them in EVA suits.
Lots of LA going through, a full expedition worth. First LA group go through and die from asphixiation
Second LA group go through with rebreathers, die from getting shot.
Third LA group throw flashbangs, confuse James and Greer, go through and start fighting back hardcore. James gets shot and her EVA suit is ruptured, she has to fall back and Greer covers her. They set off booby traps, fourth LA group is wounded.
Fifth LA group with Kiva and Telford come through. Kiva executes her wounded men to save them the pain. Continues as episode showed.

That would have been much more awesome IMO, and Young would have believably been beaten despite his experience and honest attempt to defend.

GateTrek2004
June 12th, 2010, 03:39 AM
Jelgate's Two Cents
If I could describe Incursion Part II in one word it would be speechless. I am totally speechless on the events that unfolded in this episode. Most specifically the ending but we are getting ahead of ourselves. The whole point of season finales in to leave your audience in suspense and just begging for more come the next season of the show. And count me as one of those people. I thought it was a worthy end to this season and all that SGU has brought us. The only downside is that I have to wait until October 5th to see how it plays out. But let’s get started on my last review for awhile.

Greer as a medic, it’s hilarious. I mean seriously the last thing you would see is Greer having the right mindset to conduct medical first aid. But besides that it was completely predictable. You knew the two would raise gun as they made a tradeoff. I kind of saw it coming and given the nature of TV I pretty much knew Young would fail miserably in whatever he was trying to do when he gave those medical supplies to Kiva. Speaking of Kiva she sure is cold. Just walking into the gateroom and shooting that soldier because she was angry. I have said it before and I will say it again you have to be a cold person to show absolutely no emotion when you kill someone like that. Its mind blowing.

The scenes with TJ caring with medical aid to wounded of the Lucian Alliance and soldier kind of dragged on. I understand the point of showing a kind and compassionate TJ and showing her trying to help those live on but it got a little dull after awhile. It seemed to serve no purpose but to prolong the episode and to show that one Lucian Alliance showing compassion to TJ. But you don’t need so many scenes to show that

Now I’m a Nuclear Medicine major at my university so I know what Brody said about the gamma radiation being so deadly to humans. He was so accurate about how gamma radiation is related to X-rays but it’s a TV show so I’ll let it slide. But I don’t know how accurate the part about the binary pulsar emitting that type of radiation is. I’ll have to consult my physics advisor on this. Anyway if that’s true it’s a pretty ingenious way to up the ante of the episode if you will. Not only do we have two groups fighting for control of Destiny but we also have a piece of “space matter” that wants to kill us. It makes it more dire and makes Kiva more cold and interesting

I have to credit to Wray on this one. I’m one the first to call her annoying and other things I’m not allowed to say here. But I take credit for the courage it took what she did arranging the prisoner exchange and going in there full well Kiva wouldn’t keep her end of the bargain. We all knew that was going to happen. Enough watching of SG1 has shown that the villain never is far to us. But making one of the prisoners exchanged a dead corpse is just plain sick and disgusting. That why I love it.

We should break for a second to talk about Eli and Chloe. Okay granted I’m not a huge shipper when it comes to these things. I tend to take it or leave it when it comes to these things because in the past Stargate series the writers have shown to me that writing ships is not their specialty. But I thought it was a shocker among other things. First of all at first I thought this would be Chloe whining about having no friends again like in Earth and I really did feel like seeing that again. However I was pleased to see her acknowledge that Eli is really a friend and not that dreaded friend zone girls sometimes put guys in. You people know who you are.:P But what really shocked me more then anything was that Chloe knew all along that Eli had a crush on her all along. I sure haters are probably going to bring out names for this but I think it shows a tender moments between the two in it really tries to show despite all this friction that there is a part of her that cares about Eli. Just a lot different then how she cares about Scott.

Okay now we can return to the action. This is Universe at its best. This show comes with a realistic solution for a problem (i.e. the pulsar) without coming up with something so out there it makes no sense. I’m looking at you Atlantis. The notion of collapsing the shield area to get more energy to engage the FTL drive makes so much logical sense that I applaud Mallozzi for making it sound good. But as always there has to be difficulty in arranging this plan. I was a little baffled that Wray (and Young) agreed to so much in exchange to be let over to correct the pulsar. Yes they had little time and yes Rush/Telford had a plan to gain control of the ship again its still quite a risk to make to give up so much. It’s like playing with fire. Speaking of Telford that scene where Kiva comes behind him when he is transferring command back to Rush and they both kill each other. That was quite intense but I guess that’s the point of season finale as I said before. Everyone needs to be put in jeopardy including your big recurring actors.

I know I said you want to be suspenseful and have you audience begging for more at the cliffhangers of season finales but that is too much. I’m just jaw dropping at everything is going on. We have a Lucian Alliance soldier shoot up the room leaving TJ for dead. We have Chloe passed out from what I can only guess is internal bleeding. We have Eli rushing to an airlock to save Scott and Greer who are about to die from a pulsar on the hull. And then the biggest draw dropping is the enraged Lucian Alliance 2IC gathering up all the military personnel including Young and is about to shoot them. Rush seems to be the only safe one in his console chair:P. I think it’s just cruel to make us this suspenseful for 3 months.

GREAT review! couldn't give green for some reason but i tried!!

RedXian
June 12th, 2010, 03:45 AM
Great episode. I'm watching it again as we speak.

I liked the scene where Young couldn't barely contain his anger after Rivers was killed .. You could see that the death really meant a lot to him. Just when he did start compose himself, Rush had to say "If anyone had to die...". Wow.

Lisa Parks "Don't yell.... we don't know yet" line was another nice moment. I like it when the ancillary characters have more to do than just give information.

Greer's "Well you need to learn" line is just another example why I like it every time the man speaks.

I love the shot of Greer & Scott at the shield relay thing with one of the arms of the Destiny arcing out of the picture.

The only question (well not THE only) I have is: Where was James at the end? She didn't appear to be in the room with the military when the LA team entered and put them on their knees. She was clearly in combat uniform when they surrendered so she wouldn't have been confused for a civilian.

The episode ended with me yearning for a conclusion. The cliffhanger was intense and had me cursing that I have to wait 4 months for a conclusion.

janus4ever
June 12th, 2010, 03:46 AM
Young is a bad commander. He cannot be a SG Leader. He screwed up again.

I think Telford, Kiva and TJ will be dead in s02xe01.

g.o.d
June 12th, 2010, 03:47 AM
TJ will be ok, her baby won't

The Mighty 6 platoon
June 12th, 2010, 03:58 AM
Young is a bad commander. He cannot be a SG Leader. He screwed up again.


Why couldn't he? Do we have to bring up the numerous historical examples of military leaders in senior positions or in charge of elite units who have screwed up immensely?

As for the episode, it was good. Comparing it to the other shows season 1 finales, it was a tad better than SG1's (while that episode was exciting there was no suspense in the cliff hanger, you knew earth wasn't going to get destroyed and with sg1 all in the same room you knew they weren't all going to die) but the Siege still edges over Inursion for me. Nevertheless Incursion as a whole was an exciting and tense ep with a great cliffhanger.

Glad as well that TJ got her abortion. Yes dead babies make me happy:jack_new_anime18:. They got lumbered with the storyline but while we can be uncertain about TJ's fate, that baby certainly hasn't survived. Good because it would have been a rehash of the Teyla baby storyline.

Oh and I hope that broken look on Young' face mans he's about to go ax crazy on everyone.

EvilSpaceAlien
June 12th, 2010, 04:10 AM
This is one of those agree to disagree moments i was told about in human sciences :P

I headdesked at Young's choices. All the reasons why have been listed, and i just cannot bring myself to comprehend why he'd do anything else. Even O'Neill agreed that Young dropped the ball. Was that some kind of "justifying" that Young isn't a good leader? How'd he become a full bird Colonel if he didn't show good leadership beforehand?

The whole situation is contrived and forced. Young's mistake is as bad as "Greedo Shot First". It makes no sense. What i would have MUCH rather seen is point and counterpoint.

Young vents the gateroom, there's boobytraps and James and Greer waiting to shoot them in EVA suits.
Lots of LA going through, a full expedition worth. First LA group go through and die from asphixiation
Second LA group go through with rebreathers, die from getting shot.
Third LA group throw flashbangs, confuse James and Greer, go through and start fighting back hardcore. James gets shot and her EVA suit is ruptured, she has to fall back and Greer covers her. They set off booby traps, fourth LA group is wounded.
Fifth LA group with Kiva and Telford come through. Kiva executes her wounded men to save them the pain. Continues as episode showed.

That would have been much more awesome IMO, and Young would have believably been beaten despite his experience and honest attempt to defend.

I think that M6P's post makes for a good reply. Yes, Young screwed up, but he's only human and it happens in real life too and that's what makes it believable. Okay, the part with ancient space ships and intergalactic wormhole rings are not very believable, but you get what I'm trying to say.


Why couldn't he? Do we have to bring up the numerous historical examples of military leaders in senior positions or in charge of elite units who have screwed up immensely?

Aragon101
June 12th, 2010, 04:10 AM
Why couldn't he? Do we have to bring up the numerous historical examples of military leaders in senior positions or in charge of elite units who have screwed up immensely?

As for the episode, it was good. Comparing it to the other shows season 1 finales, it was a tad better than SG1's (while that episode was exciting there was no suspense in the cliff hanger, you knew earth wasn't going to get destroyed and with sg1 all in the same room you knew they weren't all going to die) but the Siege still edges over Inursion for me. Nevertheless Incursion as a whole was an exciting and tense ep with a great cliffhanger.

Glad as well that TJ got her abortion. Yes dead babies make me happy:jack_new_anime18:. They got lumbered with the storyline but while we can be uncertain about TJ's fate, that baby certainly hasn't survived. Good because it would have been a rehash of the Teyla baby storyline.

Oh and I hope that broken look on Young' face mans he's about to go ax crazy on everyone.

I'd agree with the "leader making a mistake" if it were a simple mistake anyone could make. Like forgetting to lock down the doors because he thought venting the atmosphere would beat them. But this isn't Napoleon at Waterloo making a tactical error, Young had a complete lack of backup plans which i found ridiculous. A layered defense isn't a hard concept.Hell my five year old cousin one ambushed me with a water bucket on top of a door FFS. It could be as simple as coating the floor with grease/oil and the LA suddenly can't maneuver properly so the venting could take effect. They can wash the grease/oil off later, it's not like they're using the gate that very instant.

He's a Full Bird Colonel. If everyday joes see those options and would go for them, how much more would a full bird colonel with combat experience know? How much redundancy does the military do when running an operation?

The Mighty 6 platoon
June 12th, 2010, 04:26 AM
I'd agree with the "leader making a mistake" if it were a simple mistake anyone could make. Like forgetting to lock down the doors because he thought venting the atmosphere would beat them. But this isn't Napoleon at Waterloo making a tactical error, Young had a complete lack of backup plans which i found ridiculous. A layered defense isn't a hard concept.Hell my five year old cousin one ambushed me with a water bucket on top of a door FFS. It could be as simple as coating the floor with grease/oil and the LA suddenly can't maneuver properly so the venting could take effect. They can wash the grease/oil off later, it's not like they're using the gate that very instant.

He's a Full Bird Colonel. If everyday joes see those options and would go for them, how much more would a full bird colonel with combat experience know? How much redundancy does the military do when running an operation?

Err funny you should bring Napoleon up because there was a man who failed spectacularly to have any back up plans at Waterloo, committing his main force to a frontal attack on Wellington and leaving his right flank totally exposed to the Prussians. Or the commanders of Operation Eagle Claw, the failed operation rescue hostages from Iran in the 1980's, who were still arguing over the plan for the operation as it actually started. Or the decision to disband the Iraqi army after the 2003 invasion, in which no plans were made for what to do with the hundreds of thousands of armed young men who had just been released on to the streets of Iraq. So yes screwing up terribly and having no plans happens all the time.

MattSilver 3k
June 12th, 2010, 04:28 AM
I think a certain degree of predictability is expected considering we've been getting casting calls for season 2, we know everybody's filming for season 2, and oh - THE EPISODE HAS BEEN OUT FOR WEEKS.

Jeez. Even with all the spoilers I still didn't predict the Kiva-Telford shootout, the Chloe/Eli scenes, one guy and one misfired weapon killing a few folks and TJ's baby at once... It was fun.

Aragon101
June 12th, 2010, 04:37 AM
Err funny you should bring Napoleon up because there was a man who failed spectacularly to have any back up plans at Waterloo, committing his main force to a frontal attack on Wellington and leaving his right flank totally exposed to the Prussians. Or the commanders of Operation Eagle Claw, the failed operation rescue hostages from Iran in the 1980's, who were still arguing over the plan for the operation as it actually started. Or the decision to disband the Iraqi army after the 2003 invasion, in which no plans were made for what to do with the hundreds of thousands of armed young men who had just been released on to the streets of Iraq. So yes screwing up terribly and having no plans happens all the time.

Eagle Claw was rife with political tension and indecision on a scale above the actual operators on the mission itself.

Napoleon's mistakes were alot more than just leaving his right flank exposed (Invading Russia in winter?), but he didn't forget the Prussians, he tried to make peace with them but by then it was too late.

Disbanding the Iraqi army is a political decision, not a military decision made in combat.

Young had a single choice to make, it wasn't a series of choices which left him in a vulnerable position as the above three are.

The Mighty 6 platoon
June 12th, 2010, 04:49 AM
Eagle Claw was rife with political tension and indecision on a scale above the actual operators on the mission itself.

Napoleon's mistakes were alot more than just leaving his right flank exposed (Invading Russia in winter?), but he didn't forget the Prussians, he tried to make peace with them but by then it was too late.

Disbanding the Iraqi army is a political decision, not a military decision made in combat.

Young had a single choice to make, it wasn't a series of choices which left him in a vulnerable position as the above three are.

The actual operators couldn't decide on a curse of action themselves during eagle claw. The entire failure of the operation lead to the formation of USSOCOM, because of the failure of the various forces to work together in a meaningful way.

At Waterloo Napoleon committed his entire force to Wellington, leaving no reserve for the Prussians. Further he had no contingency plans should the campaign go bad, no reserves, once defeated at Waterloo, he was quickly capitulated.

Finally the decision to disband the Iraqi army was a decision that effected the military that was made with the help of the military commanders in Iraq, it meant that there was a shortage in man power to provide security, a new army had to be trained and equipped and it lead to a direct increase in insurgents.

Young bottled it, the entire situation can be laid at his feet because he did not act quickly enough in venting the atmosphere of the Gateroom. He had a failure in judgement, it happens. That's why he went to command a back water base rather than a frontline team, because he didn't have it in him.

You ask previously how did Young become a Colonel? Because at one point he could make those hard choices, but people change, and not everyone can stomach making those hard choices each day. Young is more than likely a PTSD suffererer, he has vivid memories of traumatic events, such as the attack on base by the LA as mentioned in Subversion, he has persistent avoidance to the idea that he will lose any more people, it his berserk button, he can't face it. On top of this he has significant problems with anger. Combat often changes in people and it has not left Young in a good mental state.

Further PTSD is often difficult to diagnose, people in the military are often unwilling to admit they have a problem, for fear of appearing weak or losing their position. Young's been affected further by having been thrust into a situation where he was unprepared and has had several months of intense pressure. People crack under that kind of strain.

garhkal
June 12th, 2010, 05:03 AM
WEll, we know Telford is dead, as that LA guy felt his neck and left him there..

Aragon101
June 12th, 2010, 05:15 AM
The actual operators couldn't decide on a curse of action themselves during eagle claw. The entire failure of the operation lead to the formation of USSOCOM, because of the failure of the various forces to work together in a meaningful way.

At Waterloo Napoleon committed his entire force to Wellington, leaving no reserve for the Prussians. Further he had no contingency plans should the campaign go bad, no reserves, once defeated at Waterloo, he was quickly capitulated.

Finally the decision to disband the Iraqi army was a decision that effected the military that was made with the help of the military commanders in Iraq, it meant that there was a shortage in man power to provide security, a new army had to be trained and equipped and it lead to a direct increase in insurgents.

Young bottled it, the entire situation can be laid at his feet because he did not act quickly enough in venting the atmosphere of the Gateroom. He had a failure in judgement, it happens. That's why he went to command a back water base rather than a frontline team, because he didn't have it in him.

You ask previously how did Young become a Colonel? Because at one point he could make those hard choices, but people change, and not everyone can stomach making those hard choices each day. Young is more than likely a PTSD suffererer, he has vivid memories of traumatic events, such as the attack on base by the LA as mentioned in Subversion, he has persistent avoidance to the idea that he will lose any more people, it his berserk button, he can't face it. On top of this he has significant problems with anger. Combat often changes in people and it has not left Young in a good mental state.

Further PTSD is often difficult to diagnose, people in the military are often unwilling to admit they have a problem, for fear of appearing weak or losing their position. Young's been affected further by having been thrust into a situation where he was unprepared and has had several months of intense pressure. People crack under that kind of strain.

So in your opinion, Young shouldn't be in charge. That's what i get from that, that he's incompetent because the stress has made him crack. If so, then i hope he loses command in Season 2.

Sorry, i don't see it. Young was smart enough to know about venting the atmosphere which is a more technical type of trap. I can't see how he wouldn't think "Hmm.. maybe we could set some other less complicated traps just in case, maybe actually venting it to start with or maybe covering the gate room floor with fuel from Greer's flamethrower. Yeah that'd be a great trap that can't really fail."

Given how much people have talked about this particular plot point, it wasn't sold well enough for me to believe that Young is so mentally gone that he was capable of such ineffectual defending.

bobsuncorp
June 12th, 2010, 05:25 AM
I was hoping for closure on at least one of our plotlines, but no!

Eli didn't get to the airlock before the end.

Scott and Grier didn't get to the airlock before the end.

Chloe didn't get rescued or show signs of recovery BTE.

The hostages didn't get rescued BTE.

TJ didn't get rescued BTE.

We did find out what the flickering lights and melty death was all about, but that's it.


And now we have to wait until October?!


AAARRGH!

If I wasn't so hopelessly addicted I would stop watching in protest. Who agrees with me?

thekillman
June 12th, 2010, 05:26 AM
i predicted Telford would shoot and i predicted some sort of radiation burst event. gamma ray burst to be precise, as said in the eppy.


some things are just predictable, others are not. remember that most guys on here have already seem quite a lot of Sci fi and yes, eventually things do become predictable. although thumbs up for SGU since it allows me NOT to predict things. i just watch. i

Coronach
June 12th, 2010, 05:29 AM
What isn't "predictable" these days? Hell, if it's not predictable then we have to deal with complaints of how it's "so different" and "not Stargate".

Meh.

thekillman
June 12th, 2010, 05:30 AM
i like the idea that not everything is just solved like that.

wait... october? SERIOUSLY?

Coronach
June 12th, 2010, 05:30 AM
I don't, because cliffhangers are ever-present in most TV shows and are obviously very effective. It sucks for us, but it's more than understandable. :P

J-Whitt Remastered
June 12th, 2010, 05:32 AM
What isn't "predictable" these days? Hell, if it's not predictable then we have to deal with complaints of how it's "so different" and "not Stargate".

Meh.

Agreed.Some people will never be satisfied.

MattSilver 3k
June 12th, 2010, 05:34 AM
Well I think since everybody will be mostly fine by the end of all this (Excluding some gunshot wounds and TJ's kid), a big cliffhanger for the hell of it isn't surprising. If someone was actually going to die horribly, I bet they would've actually done it in the episode.

Briangate78
June 12th, 2010, 05:35 AM
I have to agree with the original poster. I had an idea what was going to happen before it did. I also think too many people got wounded and shot, and it basically lost it's drama effect. Kiva shooting TJ in cold blood would of been really powerful.

Commander Zelix
June 12th, 2010, 05:39 AM
Very good action episode, but I won't as far as saying it was great overall episode.

There was a lot of actions but there's simply no meat to the story as I said last week. For example, The Island movie is not all action, it has action but also an interesting story about a perfect society of the future, then a society with a dark secret, then 2 adult-children in a modern society, then clone vs clone. Obviously the same could be said about many Sci-fi action movie like Minority Report, Avatar, Matrix, etc.

The action happening was good but wasn't great. It was about a whole episode about trading hostages and stuff.

But within this limited storyline, everything works great imo. I like Wray presenting some civilian counter-point to Young. Which must be the worst commander in television history (which could be realist. He's simply NOT a TV heroe. He sucks and not as good at what he does as other TV heroes ;) :) ). As I said, I liked the Wray character in this episode.

Kiva and the other LA were also very descent villains, again a bit too standard and basic for Sci-fi, but they are not too dumb and their action somehow make sense (which is not evident in a lot of TV/Movie which often portray villain as completely illogical and violent morons). Obviously, we will know more about the LA true intention about the Destiny in Season 2. As of now, they are just suicidal villain hellbent on getting trap on a rusted ship with no food and no chance of getting back ever.

I think the episode was also well written character wise from Scott and Greer exchange to Eli and Chloe, passing by TJ with the LA guys. Everybody was in character and sometime present some divergent point of view on the situation.

I must say Telford really redeem himself in those last episodes. I didn't like the character before but post-brainwashed Telford seems like a good military guy. If earth is looking for a replacement for Young, there you have it. Scott is too soft, Greer too gun happy, TJ is a medic, BAG prefer to work on a metaphysical level, James is too much a cry baby, etc. Telford now that is some leadership!!

I like the Eli and Chloe subplot from his declaration of love to them wondering what happens on the ship and trying to survive. They made a nice, even if somewhat simplist, diversion to the hostage swapping main storyline.

Nice cliffhanger even if there's really nothing to it. It's a basic will they die will they not, not a game changer (like the Destiny exploding, all the crew left on some planet by the LA, or a parallel universe Destiny crew shooting Destiny people and taking over the Destiny in the last 20 min with a few explanations, etc, etc). I think Justice had a better cliffhanger for example, because of the consequence of what Young did, same as wondering what will happen to Rush. It was a game changer.

Again in this episode the special effects were simply top notch. I also like the cinematography and the music score.

Also kudos to the secondary characters which are one of the SGU strength.

While I'm not afraid to ditch out real ratings like 3 for earth, 2 for life, maybe 4 for Sabotage, 5 for Justice, maybe 8 for Time, 8 for Space.

I will give this episode a 7. A good action episode with no meat as a storyline but good at what it does (action). Entertaining and fun.

myhelix
June 12th, 2010, 05:44 AM
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I bet none of the main characters of SGU are dead or will die in the next few episodes. Scott, Greer, Chloe, Eli, TJ, Young, Rush, Wray won't die and probably not even Telford, who I don't count as a main character.

That would be a tad bit unrealistic, giving the circumstances on the Destiny with not much medical supply's and stuff. And TJ and Telford seem to be pretty bad wounded. And Chloe don´t look good either. Young is in danger to get shot every minute. Scott and Greer are in danger . The only two people not in peril are Rush, Brody and maybe Eli.
But I really hope they don´t kill anyone from the main cast and replace them with some LA guy, that would be a mistake. :( After all, the chances are good that the "main crew" close ranks, and show more team spirit after those events, especially Young and Rush.

Demoniser
June 12th, 2010, 05:45 AM
mm interesting episode.

Pros

- Good dialogue
- Dr Park - "don't shoot!" (spoke volumes about how Col Young has treated the scientists imo)
- Eli and Chloe scenes, some character development! Eli plays hero.
- Telford being a good guy, i hope he survives somehow.
- Final little montage of everything going to **** and the cliffhanger

Cons

- Redshirts who got shot were..redshirts. It needed a Peter Grodin type character, unless the baby inevitably dying is meant to be the equivalent.
- Young and Rush hostility. I find it frustrating to watch, it's like watching two grown men act like kids bickering. Get over it already.
- No sense of jeopardy tbh, we know how its all going to turn out, all the main cast will be fine ,the baby will be dead, some LA guys will switch sides (the guy helping TJ).
- The wait for season 2.

garhkal
June 12th, 2010, 05:46 AM
I have no words to describe what I'm feeling after seeing that conclusion...

I was amazed they made it better than the siege pt2.. At least with that one, we knew hope was on the way.


One thing... They put all the military personel in one room... I'm pretty sure there are more people than those 7 standing around Young.

True dat. Though one thing i would love to know. What was up with Young looking up in the air (to the ceiling).. Was that him 'accepting his fate'?


Now that's what i call a cliffhanger...

the only other one that comes close imo, is the one from SG1's season 1 ender..


I'd say this is right up there with Siege Part 2 as far as the cliffhangar goes. Still like Siege better, but I might change my mind once this one has a chance to sink in.

Of course, I was watching on DVD for Siege, so I didn't have to wait a few months :(

I disagree. In the Siege, we knew hope was on the way via what Col Everett told the team.

In this one, there is not that hope of any outside help.


It was awesome. Intense action. And tell me seriously everyone, who didn't love Eli's Han Solo style exit. Chloe gots da butterflies.

I loved how he seemed to be bursting with energy right after lounging around for a little bit with lessening oxygen.


Right now, I am really liking the direction. No more SG1 surviving retarded odds. Honestly I didn't give a damn about any of them since Plot-Kai kept them all alive. Now its intense and full of pure Win!

It did kind of get a little repetitive.. And i have never heard of Plot-kai.. Interesting phrase.


Did they seriously Just kill TJ??? Chloe too??!! I cant effin believe it just ended like that... with you still on the edge of your frackin chair!! No That wasn't fair at all.. brilliant writing. And one big HooRah to the marine blasting everyone.. maybe except for TJ. I'm damn glad Kiva got one, looks like her replacement is worse.

Young, your my point man on this show but I'm flat out disappointed.

It did kind of look that way with TJ. BUT as for chloe, i am surprised she has not already lapsed out cold from the shock and blood loss.


Ok, so here is my review of the Season one finale. Did I finally get my wow moment? Well yes, and no. I kinda felt they were leading up to this. I think Stargate has given us much stronger cliffhangers like “Camelot”, “First Strike”, and “The Seige part 2". So although to me it was a solid good ep, and an excellent cliffhanger, I felt the producers did not top themselves.

I would not go so far to put it up there with Camelot or first strike, but imo it was ahead of the siege pt2.


I think Wray was good in this episode also, and she was shocked to see Kiva use the 4th person trade as a dead body.

As i mentioned elsewhere, how easily she got owned by Kiva's machinations shows how useless she is as a negotiator.


I think the best part of the episode is the last 3 or so 4 mins when the music montage goes on and you are seeing Eli running and Scott and Greer outside running while TJ is lying there bleeding. Very powerful stuff. Kinda reminds me a little of “The Reckoning” when it cuts to all 4 characters fighting the replicators while Daniel has been stabbed and is dying.[quote]

I was also amazed how reminded of that Season 8 episode this ending made me feel. I loved the way they cut back and fourth. And for once, the music was not out of place.

[QUOTE=jelgate;11598748]Greer and Scott are running alongside the hull of the ship. When that shield drops because of the pulasr they are dead. Gamma radiation is quite cruel.

Do we know if those suits will help out anyway? But i wonder if the ship will jump into FTL and they are still outside, if the ship will vape them like it did to those Blue alien fighters.


Eli has come such a long way IMO since the very beginning of this show. He was playing quite the hero in this one.

Agreed. This ep alone gave him some much needed growing up and "manning up". I hope they keep it going.


Could this be where we get our token alien team member?

As long as there is only one of those for every 3 of us (keeping the ratio intact)


The only thing that will rob this finally of it's intensity is if they ALL live. Someone has to die!! lol... Can't be TJ, though. Obviously she and Varro will be hooking up. Any takers? lol

I say chloe. She has lost a lot of blood, and we know if a wound is not treated soon it will go septic. That and she is also in a low oxygen area (heck it lost more).. So i can easily see her biting the big one.


LDP- Telford
Julia Benson- Lt. James
Patrick Gilmore- Volker
Jennifer Spence- Park
Peter Kelamis- Brody
Jeffrey Bowyer Chapman- Becker
These people have all tweeted about filming episodes for season 2.

So no Chloe then



Jelgate's Two Cents
If I could describe Incursion Part II in one word it would be speechless. I am totally speechless on the events that unfolded in this episode. Most specifically the ending but we are getting ahead of ourselves. The whole point of season finales in to leave your audience in suspense and just begging for more come the next season of the show. And count me as one of those people. I thought it was a worthy end to this season and all that SGU has brought us. The only downside is that I have to wait until October 5th to see how it plays out. But let’s get started on my last review for awhile.

I feel the same way. Worse in a sense as being stationed in Okinawa, i get it the following day. So i have to wait till the 6th!... BUT as far as season enders go, this ranks up there with first strike and camelot to me.


Speaking of Kiva she sure is cold. Just walking into the gateroom and shooting that soldier because she was angry. I have said it before and I will say it again you have to be a cold person to show absolutely no emotion when you kill someone like that. Its mind blowing.

Again, she reiminds me so much of how the other K-A person was (here is a hint, he was a nemesis for Shep)



Not only do we have two groups fighting for control of Destiny but we also have a piece of “space matter” that wants to kill us. It makes it more dire and makes Kiva more cold and interesting

Especially siince it seemed she was willing to condemn them ALL to death, to get her way. man she has to have Antifreeze for blood.




I have to credit to Wray on this one. I’m one the first to call her annoying and other things I’m not allowed to say here. But I take credit for the courage it took what she did arranging the prisoner exchange and going in there full well Kiva wouldn’t keep her end of the bargain.

The only aspect of that i give Wray credit for, is going in without a vest. Showing full well she was committed to making a truce of sorts. BUT if she knew she was going to get double crossed, why did she do it?



I think it shows a tender moments between the two in it really tries to show despite all this friction that there is a part of her that cares about Eli. Just a lot different then how she cares about Scott.

I am hoping that if she survives, she actually KEEPS on that road, showing / proving to Eli she is worthy of his level of devotion.


I know I said you want to be suspenseful and have you audience begging for more at the cliffhangers of season finales but that is too much. I’m just jaw dropping at everything is going on. We have a Lucian Alliance soldier shoot up the room leaving TJ for dead. We have Chloe passed out from what I can only guess is internal bleeding. We have Eli rushing to an airlock to save Scott and Greer who are about to die from a pulsar on the hull. And then the biggest draw dropping is the enraged Lucian Alliance 2IC gathering up all the military personnel including Young and is about to shoot them. Rush seems to be the only safe one in his console chair:P. I think it’s just cruel to make us this suspenseful for 3 months.

That is a great assessment of how we are left. BUT you forgot Brody is with rush.
What got me, was how well they transitioned between the areas of 'dispair' and to the areas of hope so well.

As this is a long one, i will cont it next post!

bobsuncorp
June 12th, 2010, 05:46 AM
wait... october? SERIOUSLY?

Either October or November, definitely no sooner.

It just annoys me that we have to wait that long to get a resolution. I mean they could have all finished the story, won the day and given a Thundercat style "don't do drugs" and fake laugh at the end and we would still come back for a second season. It isn't necessary to make us feel like we are missing a limb.

The Mighty 6 platoon
June 12th, 2010, 05:48 AM
So in your opinion, Young shouldn't be in charge. That's what i get from that, that he's incompetent because the stress has made him crack. If so, then i hope he loses command in Season 2.

Sorry, i don't see it. Young was smart enough to know about venting the atmosphere which is a more technical type of trap. I can't see how he wouldn't think "Hmm.. maybe we could set some other less complicated traps just in case, maybe actually venting it to start with or maybe covering the gate room floor with fuel from Greer's flamethrower. Yeah that'd be a great trap that can't really fail."

Given how much people have talked about this particular plot point, it wasn't sold well enough for me to believe that Young is so mentally gone that he was capable of such ineffectual defending.

His defensive position is extremely competent, it keeps it simple, it keeps all his personnel out of harm's way and it expends none of his ammo. All of which are important to him. He bottled it, made a mistake, it happens.

Apart from that your second guessing the situation to a ridiculous extent. You've had the luxury of sitting around for a week coming up with ludicrous ways to defend the Destiny, he has limited time, he has a plan. He could have faffed around with oil on the floor or some ******** like that, but he really doesn't have the time. He had a plan he had a defence, he further had his personnel placed around the gateroom for defence in depth.

Young at the crucial moment made a poor decision, or rather hesitated making a decision. One decision can win or lose a battle. Napoleon arguably lost the battle of Waterloo because at a crucial moment he committed his reserve, the Old Guard. One decision and it cost him a battle. The battle of Britain was won by the RAF mainly because at a crucial moment the Luftwaffe make the decision to switch targets from Airfields to cities. During Operation Market Garden,. Allied commander hesitated, unwilling to take the initiative and bypass German defences via alternate routes.

What Young did was stupid, but happily fits in with his character as a man cracking under the strain.

Even if you don't agree that his defences were adequate there are countless examples of officers in senior positions making horrendous choices when it came to defending positions which often cost them the battle.

People have off days, there is the case of Lord Chelmsford, an experienced commander commander of the British Forces during the Zulu wars. At his first action of that war, the battle of Isandalwana, he divided his forces which lead to around half his force being completely wiped out. Following this debacle there was demand for him to be removed from command and a replacement was sent. However due to 19th Century travelling times by the time the replacement had arrived, Chelmsford had got his act together and won the war. General Montgomery, a veritable military genius, failed to succeed in Operation Market Garden. People screw up and make mistakes, even the most competent and experienced military commander.

bobsuncorp
June 12th, 2010, 05:49 AM
The best finale's I have seen (not just SG) have tied up at least most plotlines, and if necessary introduced a new one for the cliffhanger. That is enough to make you want to come back, and yet still able to watch the series without feeling like it is incomplete.

Coronach
June 12th, 2010, 05:49 AM
Either October or November, definitely no sooner.

It just annoys me that we have to wait that long to get a resolution. I mean they could have all finished the story, won the day and given a Thundercat style "don't do drugs" and fake laugh at the end and we would still come back for a second season. It isn't necessary to make us feel like we are missing a limb.

Yes, we would come back. However, if you've been watching the ratings thread you'll know that it will benefit SGU to pull in as many viewers as possible into the 2nd season. And what better way to do that than with a cliffhanger? :P

bobsuncorp
June 12th, 2010, 06:03 AM
Yes, we would come back. However, if you've been watching the ratings thread you'll know that it will benefit SGU to pull in as many viewers as possible into the 2nd season. And what better way to do that than with a cliffhanger? :P

Well those people should just stick to watching "Dancing with the stars on ice get me out of here big brother" or whatever!!

Seriously I get what you're saying, and in truth I do feel better now that I've vented.

mparsons1981
June 12th, 2010, 06:04 AM
This episode was a load of rubbish.

I'm sorry but there you go.

Reasons why,

This was not an 'action' episode as some have described. Nothing happened. It was all talk talk talk bull****.

No-one significant died. Quicker get rid of bloody stupid chloe the better. She is such a waste of space.

Stupid cliffhanger.

I agree with the recent podcast when it was mentioned how annoying cliffhangers are. Why do i have to be persuaded to wait till next season to find out what happens? Maybe cause they had no story to tell and were just making this story stretch out as much as possible.

Another reason - stupid predicatable behaviour of the grunts in the lucian alliance.

Another reason - There was a podcast on women in stargate recently, and how they are portrayed so badly. They fall into 3 groups, perfect angelic great examples of motherhood (carter, teyla), waste of space morons (chloe, dr keller) or *****es (lucian alliance leader - dressed in black leather, cause shes soooo tough), the writers of this show just cannot write women at all. Which is important if you want to a character based show.

Its annoys me as well cause now i know that we are not go to see any forward momentum of this idea that anyone can die at any moment, cause the 3rd episode in this trilogy, at the start of next season, will just see everything wrapped up nicely.

It was mentioned on the most recent podcast that things were expected to happen, well nothing did.

Ok some people might be dead, but come on theyre not going to be, it justs a gimmicky way to get us all to come back next year.

Sorry, but this episode was a waste of time.

garhkal
June 12th, 2010, 06:13 AM
That was awesome. I can't believe they gave TJ the abortion. I loved the scene of the Runner (Varro?) shooting that soldier.



Classic Stargate.

The way he did that maneuver just made me think of Ronon..


So that's where I knew him from. I thought he looked familiar; thanks for mentioning. :)

He also played the Gou'ald hired Bounty hunter in an earlier ep of SG1.. forgot the eps name


Yup, Young is an idiot. If he had vented when he had the chance, this wouldn't have happened. And he gave in too easily on letting Kiva have the ship. He should have just vented her side and sent Scott and Greer in. Of course, Young and his people have plot armor, so they're gonna live through his dumb decisions; more's the pity. He might actually learn something if he keeps losing people through his idiot plays.

Bieng i do a lot of roleplaying games, one of the biggest things everyone is saying is LET stupidity kill. IMO it would to me at least, be poetic to see young be the one to bite it, for his indecision and lack of testicular fortitude, while the others are saved.


The soundtrack @ the end, it was like all coming to a end. Young face was just awesome..
One of the best cliffhangers ive ever seen.

It reminded me of the way Tommy Lee Jones's character in that film "Blown away" ended, where he just looked up into the heavens, accepting his fate.


That look on his face made me think he's wondering where he went wrong after telling Rush(?) that he was going to save every single person on the Destiny (his crew), and not one person was going to die. Famous last words ... :)

I feel badly for Young.

He did seem a little "Why me" at first, but the look of resignation imo was more to do with accepting he was defeated.



Eli: doesn't seem to be in any direct peril (apart from wearing himself out by exertion) but emotionally he's in quite a state, being relied upon to save two lives while having to abandon Chloe who knows he'd do anything to save her. Even though he won't get physically injured he's not going to come out of this unscathed.
Chloe: Yeah we see her pass out but we can trust that she'll be rescued soon enough. Still plenty suspenseful.

Actually what would make it even more 'heart wrenching is if she DID die, and he realises that it was him leaving her that caused it.


Telford and Kiva: wow, having them shooting each other was a shock when it happened, but at the same time not. Points to Kiva for immediately realising what was happening and reacting.

It was interesting how quickly she pieced it together that he had double crossed them.


Varro would have been the one I would have expected to take charge especially since we know now that his recuperative powers are off the scale. It seems to me that would make him super human or he is a snake head.

The way he seemed to have all that energy right after having surgery does make you wonder if something is going on here. Maybe he is a Jaffa (former) who has a hidden stash of tretonin.


Here's a question when the power goes out would that shielded hull breach lose integrity and wouldn't Scott and Greer be able to just go in?

Yes it would, but the radiatio would still get the chance to enter and cook them.


dude she was shoot in the leg and givven that there was no dripping on the floor its safe to say that she'll live

I have known people to die from the shock of breaking a limb (admittedly only 2) so i can easily see her dying from a mix of the wound, and shock.
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Lisa Parks "Don't yell.... we don't know yet" line was another nice moment. I like it when the ancillary characters have more to do than just give information.

That scene, reminded me of those 2 in the shuttle fixing it and having a good/bad info situation.


It could be as simple as coating the floor with grease/oil and the LA suddenly can't maneuver properly so the venting could take effect. They can wash the grease/oil off later, it's not like they're using the gate that very instant.

Or heck, turning off the lights and gravity.



Cons

It needed a Peter Grodin type character, unless the baby inevitably dying is meant to be the equivalent.

I disagree that the baby is the 'grodin' here. IMO that might either be riley, chloe or Scott/greer.

Commander Zelix
June 12th, 2010, 06:20 AM
This was not an 'action' episode as some have described. Nothing happened. It was all talk talk talk bull****.
It's not an action episode if your definition of action episode is gun battles in some corridor, hand to hand fight and ship battle.

Utitan
June 12th, 2010, 06:35 AM
Looks like I am going to be in the minority again...

Too many things about this episode keep me from giving it a thumbs up. Yes, parts of it were interesting or even exciting, but so much just seems too contrived. Waaaay too contrived.

For example, that Kiva and Telford would be so perfect of shots that in a surprise pull both could (perhaps) mortally wound the other in a single shot. It's like watching Clint Eastwood vs. The Lone Ranger.

Still, still, there is no good reason explained in the story for why the LA would even have gone to Destiny.

The concept of the cliffhanger at season's end is overdone in modern TV, and in this case SGU really poured it on thick. It would be one thing to be left wondering if all the military were about to be executed, OR, if Telford would live, OR if the preganant Lt. would live (or her child), OR if the two outside the ship would get back in time, OR if Eli could figure out how to get himself and his woman (heh) out in time before the oxygen depletes, OR if the ship manages to survive the next burst of gamma rays, OR if Kiva survives, OR if the civilians are next in line for execution, OR....

The suspense is painted on so thick that "over the top" doesn't adequately describe what happened. It's as if the writers are trying to make this into a James Bond movie.

Here again we get to the problem of the style in which SGU has been produced. The writers have tried to make us concerned about these people as if they were real. Well, good fiction should do that. Yet when the story-line becomes too improbable then I suspend my disbelief and all of a sudden the story looks like a spoof, or mockery, of what was originally intended.

If SGU survives to season two, let us hope that producers can decide which way to go: as a serious drama, or as a super-hero flick.



Sooo, I'm confused....Why do you watch it? That's like getting a dish at your favorite restaurant and only after you eat the WHOLE entire meal you say, "wow, that was really awful, I'll have to get that one again!"

If you just don't like the show, have nothing good to say about it, then how about not watching it? It makes perfect sense.

mparsons1981
June 12th, 2010, 06:38 AM
It's not an action episode if your definition of action episode is gun battles in some corridor, hand to hand fight and ship battle.

What so action is 'intense scenes of people looking really really serious,' cause thats all that was on show here.

erotavlas
June 12th, 2010, 06:45 AM
Kiva shooting TJ in cold blood would of been really powerful.

a bit too powerful imo. the show is dark enough already...that would have just pushed it over the edge.

major davis
June 12th, 2010, 06:49 AM
Some things were just too predictable, and there will be obvious solutions to the problems.

TJ getting shot, not enough to kill her but enough to kill the baby. I think I (along with many others) predicted this outcome since we find out that she is pregnant.

Main cast members in imminent danger that could lead to death is anti-climatic. There's no way Young, Greer or Scott are gonna get killed off. Would've been more interesting if it was someone like Wray or another supporting cast member.

Unimportant character getting killed off in hostage situation for dramatic affect. Not so dramatic. Make it a supporting character who's face we've actually seen and has had at least a few lines.


Ok other than that, I enjoyed the episode :D Pretty good job for a season finale. I like the direction the Varro character is going, I hope they keep him on as recurring at the very least.

No if you remember life.. Rivers was part of Parks book club and he did have lines.

And no I disagree it wasn't predictable.. we were convinced some character we knew was going to die and none did.

major davis
June 12th, 2010, 06:50 AM
I have to agree with the original poster. I had an idea what was going to happen before it did. I also think too many people got wounded and shot, and it basically lost it's drama effect. Kiva shooting TJ in cold blood would of been really powerful.

Thats because your on GW. Its the price of being on fandom. With twitter and spoilers its hard to be supprised.

On the other hand im supprised no one we knew died.

Commander Zelix
June 12th, 2010, 06:50 AM
What so action is 'intense scenes of people looking really really serious,' cause thats all that was on show here.
It's a serious hostage and people taking over the ship (military base) situation. They must be serious about it.

xxxevilgrinxxx
June 12th, 2010, 06:51 AM
Cliffies! Usually you get about one, right? Noooooo, now the whole damned thing is one huge cliffie! But it's cool that everything isn't all neatly wrapped up for us. Although waiting until October might drive me insane

pipi
June 12th, 2010, 06:52 AM
Nah, I don't think so. If the only argument is that the main cast never dies then that will apply to 99% of shows.

TraK
June 12th, 2010, 06:52 AM
Riley still lives!!
Well i think so anyway. in the overhead shot of the infirmary, after the whole place got shot up and there are bodies lying on the ground, in the top left corner of the screen, you can see the legs of someone in the Black Icarus Base uniform (the kind Riley wears) crawling away. So in my opinion (and i hope) Riley didnt get killed in the gunfire.

Briangate78
June 12th, 2010, 06:55 AM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

That was just amazing. The best season finale I've seen in a looong time. It's up there with Galactica's first season finale when Adama got shot. In fact, I think this may just be the best Stargate season finale yet. You heard me, Brian! :P

I must watch it again. I simply must.

You need to rewatch some classic Stargate. You really think this episode tops "Lost City" Wow. :p

Briangate78
June 12th, 2010, 06:56 AM
TJ will be ok, her baby won't

Shocker huh? :p

myhelix
June 12th, 2010, 07:01 AM
WEll, we know Telford is dead, as that LA guy felt his neck and left him there..

Well, I think the LA guy just don´t care about Telford (don´t think he is dead. would be an interesting dynamic if Telford survive.

Briangate78
June 12th, 2010, 07:08 AM
a bit too powerful imo. the show is dark enough already...that would have just pushed it over the edge.

SGA has done similar stuff to make it dark like that. It was kinda a dissappointment how she got shot. What if say Young accidently shot her in the crossfire or even Greer. Wow that would of been heavy.

Briangate78
June 12th, 2010, 07:08 AM
Nah, I don't think so. If the only argument is that the main cast never dies then that will apply to 99% of shows.

Unless you have the kahonas like SGA to kill off a main.

JustAnotherVoice
June 12th, 2010, 07:15 AM
Unless you have the kahonas like SGA to kill off a main.

You mean the under developed, annoyingly-optimistic Ford?
Or the "I'm not really dead, just turned replicator-with-a-new-body" Weir?

Neither were great losses to SGA, imo :p

Briangate78
June 12th, 2010, 07:18 AM
You mean the under developed, annoyingly-optimistic Ford?
Or the "I'm not really dead, just turned replicator-with-a-new-body" Weir?

Neither were great losses to SGA, imo :p

Not counting his return because fandom petitioned to get him back, but Carson in Sunday. Was a true death of a main character. It was a ratings ploy to get him back. and it worked. Kindred pt 2 episode 419 pulled in over 1.7 Million viewers live, and over 2.2 Million after all DVR. :eek:

pipi
June 12th, 2010, 07:19 AM
Awesome episode!!! Must watch more. If season two is shown in Oct/Nov that be pretty awesome. It's a very short wait compared with other series that make you wait anywhere from 6months to a year. :)

Utitan
June 12th, 2010, 07:20 AM
Telford is cast in every episode of season 2 that I checked out.. Which would make up a good leadership duo between Young and Telford. One would compliment the others shortfalls and makes for an excellent full circle writing.

xxxevilgrinxxx
June 12th, 2010, 07:22 AM
Yeesh - how many people are just watching the show and enjoying the show and that's all? They're not constantly comparing it to the former shows, constantly nitpicking... I'm starting to think I'm the only damn one.No, you're not the only one :)


I don't even know what to say, except that the final scene, of the SG military personnel going down on their knees, presumably to be executed, with Young standing there, was really powerful and I can't freakin' believe I have to wait until October for the rest.That really ripped at me too; it was a very powerful moment. Young, watching those lights....when those lights go out, I think the tables are going to turn


I'm not even going to bother comparing this to any other SG's. SGU stands alone. It has a different feel to it (more dramatic, I think - personal opinion). This was an awesome season and an amazing season finale. The cliffhangers are going to drive me insane. October can't come fast enough! I'm going to have to find something else to distract myself until then....not going to be easy. Any suggestions? I've seen ALL of SG-1 (including all the movies) and I'm working on seasons 4-5 of SGA. Need.....MOAR!!!we're all going to be here going more insane with every passing day until it's back on the air! I'm thinking a rewatch....



Why couldn't he? Do we have to bring up the numerous historical examples of military leaders in senior positions or in charge of elite units who have screwed up immensely?

....
Oh and I hope that broken look on Young' face mans he's about to go ax crazy on everyone.yes, military history os full of mistakes made, sometimes just one small thing and boom! I do think that Young is about to go nuts, he's just waiting for those lights to go off.


So yes screwing up terribly and having no plans happens all the time.



Young had a single choice to make, it wasn't a series of choices which left him in a vulnerable position as the above three are.even the military situations you've both mentioned have not broken down to a single event alone. One thing plays off the next, one choice leads to the next. It's a domino effect, where one mistake can lead to three. Everybody makes mistakes. It doesn't mean it's game over and I do mean that like a video game. You don't simply get to restart at the beginning of the level and make the right choice. Young doesn't get to go back, he has to work with what's on the ground at the moment. If it was history we were talking about, it would only be considered a mistake if he lost, and he hasn't lost yet.


The actual operators couldn't decide on a curse of action themselves during eagle claw. ....

You ask previously how did Young become a Colonel? Because at one point he could make those hard choices, but people change, and not everyone can stomach making those hard choices each day. Young is more than likely a PTSD suffererer, he has vivid memories of traumatic events, such as the attack on base by the LA as mentioned in Subversion, he has persistent avoidance to the idea that he will lose any more people, it his berserk button, he can't face it. On top of this he has significant problems with anger. Combat often changes in people and it has not left Young in a good mental state.

Further PTSD is often difficult to diagnose, people in the military are often unwilling to admit they have a problem, for fear of appearing weak or losing their position. Young's been affected further by having been thrust into a situation where he was unprepared and has had several months of intense pressure. People crack under that kind of strain.Curse of action----sorry :p
I believe you raise an excellent point about Young's makeup and his more than likely PTSD and it's a good thing to keep in mind before judging the man's actions all that harshly

JustAnotherVoice
June 12th, 2010, 07:24 AM
Not counting his return because fandom petitioned to get him back, but Carson in Sunday. Was a true death of a main character. It was a ratings ploy to get him back. and it worked. Kindred pt 2 episode 419 pulled in over 1.7 Million viewers live, and over 2.2 Million after all DVR. :eek:

Hmm. I totally forgot about Carson. Appearing in so many episodes after his "death", I guess Sunday wasn't as memorable (in the long term) as it was moving (at the time).

EvilSpaceAlien
June 12th, 2010, 07:25 AM
You need to rewatch some classic Stargate. You really think this episode tops "Lost City" Wow. :p

Damn, I forgot about that episode. But that still makes Incursion the best season finale since Lost City.

jelgate
June 12th, 2010, 07:25 AM
Do we know if those suits will help out anyway? But i wonder if the ship will jump into FTL and they are still outside, if the ship will vape them like it did to those Blue alien fighters.



Its a possibilty the space suits double as radiation suits but every radiation suits have their limitis. You pump enough gamma radiaiton and those suits will break exposing Greer and Scott to some harmful stuff

You need to rewatch some classic Stargate. You really think this episode tops "Lost City" Wow. :p
As far ending goes I say yes. The only one in danger in Lost City was O'Neill. Incursion had more jaw dropping moments. But comparing Lost City part II to Incursion II, Lost City defiantly wins

TheShrike
June 12th, 2010, 07:29 AM
Jelgate's Two Cents
We have a Lucian Alliance soldier shoot up the room leaving TJ for dead.

A US soldier was shooting up the room leaving TJ for dead.
Varro just pulled a gun and killed the soldier.

JustAnotherVoice
June 12th, 2010, 07:29 AM
Just be thankful that SGU S2 is already in the pipeline. Too many shows end on cliffhangers these days, thanks to fickle TV networks who rely on dated technology to track who watches what.

Briangate78
June 12th, 2010, 07:37 AM
Hmm. I totally forgot about Carson. Appearing in so many episodes after his "death", I guess Sunday wasn't as memorable (in the long term) as it was moving (at the time).

Blame the fans and SyFy for that one.

Briangate78
June 12th, 2010, 07:39 AM
Its a possibilty the space suits double as radiation suits but every radiation suits have their limitis. You pump enough gamma radiaiton and those suits will break exposing Greer and Scott to some harmful stuff

As far ending goes I say yes. The only one in danger in Lost City was O'Neill. Incursion had more jaw dropping moments. But comparing Lost City part II to Incursion II, Lost City defiantly wins

Well grasshopper there is a major difference also. Lost City was not a cliffhanger, it was supposed to be a series finale. You should thank me, giving the benefit of the doubt to SGU. :p

jelgate
June 12th, 2010, 07:41 AM
Well grasshopper there is a major difference also. Lost City was not a cliffhanger, it was supposed to be a series finale. You should thank me, giving the benefit of the doubt to SGU. :p
Your not speaking to some kind of ameature here like ESA:P. I know Lost City for a long time was going to be a series finale. But the ending was written that way for at the time the proposed SG1 movie

jelgate
June 12th, 2010, 07:44 AM
They'll be fine. We have on Greer on our side. Yes I hate cliffhangers because of the suspense but its the nature of TV to get people wanting more

jelgate
June 12th, 2010, 07:49 AM
I guess ultimately you're right in that we do know that the character in jeporady are going to survive. The main ones always do. But thats just TV. You can pretty much say any season finale will do that. I'm interested to see how they survive. Now thats where I determine predicitablity. For instance we could say its predictable that Rush knew how to fix the pulsar problem. I say its more the way Rush fixes it. Collapsing part of the shield never crossed my mind

Ictus75
June 12th, 2010, 08:01 AM
I have to agree that Col. Young probably suffers from PTSD. While he shows flashes of true leadership, he tends to hesitate, or second guess himself in a crisis. He hesitated to vent the gate room because of Rush/Telford, and the LA got the upper hand on him, opening the doors. Also, don't forget that he started the season with severe head trauma from when he came flying through the gate. Perhaps that has affected him long term. I think he's a great character, the broken leader.

One thing I really like about SGU over SG1 & SGA is that all the main characters are flawed in some way. It reminds me of the X-men - heroes, but all are flawed and suffer because of it. None of the SG1 or SGA characters carried around past baggage, or at least to the extent that the SGU characters do.

Now if Telford survives, it will be interesting to see who is the senior officer on board, Telford or Young? I'm also hoping that people who are shot or injured will carry the affects of these injuries with them into season 2 (what if Telford survives, but is paralyzed? What if TJ becomes reclusive and angry?) I'd hate to be 2 episodes in and everyone is fine and healthy. I'd find it much more interesting if people suffered lasting physical and/or mental trauma from the encounter with the LA. They did a good job with that on Col. Young, with him on crutches and in pain for the first half of season one.

This was a great season finale, perhaps the best of all the Star Gate series.

Kaiphantom
June 12th, 2010, 08:05 AM
Looks like I am going to be in the minority again...

Too many things about this episode keep me from giving it a thumbs up. Yes, parts of it were interesting or even exciting, but so much just seems too contrived. Waaaay too contrived.

For example, that Kiva and Telford would be so perfect of shots that in a surprise pull both could (perhaps) mortally wound the other in a single shot. It's like watching Clint Eastwood vs. The Lone Ranger.

Still, still, there is no good reason explained in the story for why the LA would even have gone to Destiny.

The concept of the cliffhanger at season's end is overdone in modern TV, and in this case SGU really poured it on thick. It would be one thing to be left wondering if all the military were about to be executed, OR, if Telford would live, OR if the preganant Lt. would live (or her child), OR if the two outside the ship would get back in time, OR if Eli could figure out how to get himself and his woman (heh) out in time before the oxygen depletes, OR if the ship manages to survive the next burst of gamma rays, OR if Kiva survives, OR if the civilians are next in line for execution, OR....

The suspense is painted on so thick that "over the top" doesn't adequately describe what happened. It's as if the writers are trying to make this into a James Bond movie.

Here again we get to the problem of the style in which SGU has been produced. The writers have tried to make us concerned about these people as if they were real. Well, good fiction should do that. Yet when the story-line becomes too improbable then I suspend my disbelief and all of a sudden the story looks like a spoof, or mockery, of what was originally intended.

If SGU survives to season two, let us hope that producers can decide which way to go: as a serious drama, or as a super-hero flick.

Well-said. re-quoting it.

It was predictable. With Atlantis drifting in space, you didn't know how they'd get out of it. In some ways, you thought Weir was going to survive, so that wasn't suspenseful... but she was gone anyway in the next season. That taught you that not everyone has plot armor in Atlantis, so SGA arguably did a better job exposing people to dark and edgy than SGU has done.

That's suspense, when you don't know how they will get out of it, and getting into it wasn't their fault; it just seemed like everything went wrong yet they did their best. NOTHING at all like SGU, where they only got into it because they were idiots. It's hard to feel sympathy or suspense when an idiot gets his own self into deep ****.

And suspense goes, because I can tell exactly what is going to happen in the first episode of season 2:

Varro is going to order his men to stand down, or do something to stop them.
No one is going to die, except maybe some LA guys and TJ's baby; everyone else has plot armor. I'd have a lot more respect if Young made a heroic sacrifice to make up for this.
Oh, Kiva and Telford are dead, due to they're million to one "shoot each other at the same time" maneuver. Which makes sense. Lou Diamond Philips has gotta cost a lot as an actor, so dropping him after the first season would leave more in the budget for other things.
They are gonna fix the FTL drive, or find out what's wrong, and jump again.
There may be some minor surprises, but nothing major. Oh, we'll find out why the LA wants Destiny, the exact reason being a surprise, but that's the only thing.

So, it's really hard to feel much suspense. You know they are gonna get out of it, and you know basically what's going to happen. What would be a surprise, is if Destiny did something like in Light, and took care of itself. Or if somehow Franklin did something, if he's still around somehow.

Last note, I finally figured out why I didn't like Kiva as a character. She was too... evil, just to be evil. A stereotypical stupid evil villain. The only reason she got Destiny at all, was because Young was a bigger idiot and the pulsar. It was not due to anything she did, which makes it hard to take her seriously. If it was her leadership and tactics that took the ship, then I'd feel like she was a more credible threat. As Telford pointed out, killing the hostages was damn stupid, because they were your only leverage, so it really makes me wonder how she got into any real position of power in the LA.

Briangate78
June 12th, 2010, 08:10 AM
I guess ultimately you're right in that we do know that the character in jeporady are going to survive. The main ones always do. But thats just TV. You can pretty much say any season finale will do that. I'm interested to see how they survive. Now thats where I determine predicitablity. For instance we could say its predictable that Rush knew how to fix the pulsar problem. I say its more the way Rush fixes it. Collapsing part of the shield never crossed my mind

I know you have to respect what SGA did, but I understand bringing him back kinda ruined the whole drama to Carson dying in the first place. If you think about it, SGA was the only SG show to date to kill off a main character. Bringing him back is just a totally different discussion. I loved the Kindred, but did not care for him in Season 5 as much.

If they kill off a main in the next season or so, and leave them dead, I will be very impressed. But I don't think they will because of this fandom. :S

major davis
June 12th, 2010, 08:11 AM
I know you have to respect what SGA did, but I understand bringing him back kinda ruined the whole drama to Carson dying in the first place. If you think about it, SGA was the only SG show to date to kill off a main character. Bringing him back is just a totally different discussion. I loved the Kindred, but did not care for him in Season 5 as much.

If they kill off a main in the next season or so, and leave them dead, I will be very impressed. But I don't think they will because of this fandom. :S

I still blame the regulars not staying dead on BP. Its obviously their fault.

jelgate
June 12th, 2010, 08:17 AM
I know you have to respect what SGA did, but I understand bringing him back kinda ruined the whole drama to Carson dying in the first place. If you think about it, SGA was the only SG show to date to kill off a main character. Bringing him back is just a totally different discussion. I loved the Kindred, but did not care for him in Season 5 as much.

If they kill off a main in the next season or so, and leave them dead, I will be very impressed. But I don't think they will because of this fandom. :SI don't count that as killing off a main character due to chickening out and reviving them. Killing off a main character means they stay no resurrection machines

Briangate78
June 12th, 2010, 08:18 AM
I don't count that as killing off a main character due to chickening out and reviving them. Killing off a main character means they stay no resurrection machines

I asked you to overlook the revive part and think about it. Well blame the fans and their petition not the creativity.

Just so we know we are on topic, we are talking about SGU killing off main characters, and if they will do it or not. So it makes it a more powerful cliffhanger if we think that no one is safe.

Kaiphantom
June 12th, 2010, 08:23 AM
I know you have to respect what SGA did, but I understand bringing him back kinda ruined the whole drama to Carson dying in the first place. If you think about it, SGA was the only SG show to date to kill off a main character. Bringing him back is just a totally different discussion. I loved the Kindred, but did not care for him in Season 5 as much.

If they kill off a main in the next season or so, and leave them dead, I will be very impressed. But I don't think they will because of this fandom. :S

I have to admit, Carson dying did not sit well with me because I liked him; so I was glad to see "him" back, but I can admit it lessened the effect of his death, which had the effect on me that the writer's were obviously going for. Weir's death and Ford's death weren't quite as well done, but they were "killed" and it worked decently. SG-1 had Janet dying.

Ironically, the "darker and edgier" SGU hasn't really killed a main person yet. The biggest so far being Senator Armstrong, but it was only his death that made me like him. They have yet to kill someone that people really liked before. Yes, I know, most shows, the main cast has plot armor, but that really needs to change.

If I were writing this, then the only "safe" people I'd have would be Rush, Eli, and Wray; that's it. Somewhere along the lines, I'd kill off people like Young, Scott, Greer, having them give their lives in the course of their duty. I'm tempted to kill off Brody or Volker, but they kinda have a "those two guys" vibe, and we're short on scientists as it is. I'd then have Varro step up as a second, with Wray taking charge. A changeover of military rule to civilian rule, which would really shake things up, and give Wray a chance to shine more. Young is just too.... depressive and stupid.

Instead, we get Red-shirt Rivers, and perhaps a red-shirt baby; which fails as an attempted shock value.

jelgate
June 12th, 2010, 08:27 AM
I asked you to overlook the revive part and think about it. Well blame the fans and their petition not the creativity.

Just so we know we are on topic, we are talking about SGU killing off main characters, and if they will do it or not. So it makes it a more powerful cliffhanger if we think that no one is safe.
I can't. Killing off a main character has to stay dead for it to count for me. Like what they did to Janet.

We'll we know they aren't going to kill off the SGU main characters. Its just very rarelly is done in TV. Unless contracts become an issue:P

mparsons1981
June 12th, 2010, 08:31 AM
I can't. Killing off a main character has to stay dead for it to count for me. Like what they did to Janet.

We'll we know they aren't going to kill off the SGU main characters. Its just very rarelly is done in TV. Unless contracts become an issue:P


Thats also the problem with this episode, there is no tension going into the next episode, cause they arent going to be killed in the 3rd part of a trilogy, and lets be honest, some of these characters need to be killed off, the quicker the better.

Briangate78
June 12th, 2010, 08:34 AM
Thats also the problem with this episode, there is no tension going into the next episode, cause they are going to be killed in the 3rd part of a trilogy, and lets be honest, some of these characters need to be killed off, the quicker the better.

I think too many people got shot. It should of been one person and shot by someone else. Like look at BSG, when Boomer shoots Adama. Did not see that coming, that was a WTF! type moment. With SGU, as soon as the crossfire happened in the Infirmary, I said, TJ is going down.

Like I said above, if Kiva shot TJ, that would of been WOW!!!

jelgate
June 12th, 2010, 08:35 AM
Thats also the problem with this episode, there is no tension going into the next episode, cause they arent going to be killed in the 3rd part of a trilogy, and lets be honest, some of these characters need to be killed off, the quicker the better.

That can be said about any season finale though. We all know no one is going to kill Jack for example. And no I don't think any of the main cast needs to be killed off. They all bring their own dynamic. Some may need some more screentime. I'm looking at you TJ

Briangate78
June 12th, 2010, 08:38 AM
That can be said about any season finale though. We all know no one is going to kill Jack for example. And no I don't think any of the main cast needs to be killed off. They all bring their own dynamic. Some may need some more screentime. I'm looking at you TJ

What about Greer? He has become wallpaper. It's funny about Greer, I actually now hate him, and like Scott now. Scott stood up to Young, where as Greer is Young's puppet. I also loved Rush's comment when someone was killed. Young got upset but he was thinking the same thing as Rush. So these characters have their moments. Sadly some have them more than others.

mparsons1981
June 12th, 2010, 08:40 AM
I think too many people got shot. It should of been one person and shot by someone else. Like look at BSG, when Boomer shoots Adama. Did not see that coming, that was a WTF! type moment. With SGU, as soon as the crossfire happened in the Infirmary, I said, TJ is going down.

Like I said above, if Kiva shot TJ, that would of been WOW!!!

yes i agree, that was a great cliffhanger, because it was unexpected and at odds with the scene so to that point.

There was nothing unexpected about this episode, and unlike adama none of the characters are that well done for me to care.

Of course, i am bias about galactica...

jelgate
June 12th, 2010, 08:46 AM
What about Greer? He has become wallpaper. It's funny about Greer, I actually now hate him, and like Scott now. Scott stood up to Young, where as Greer is Young's puppet. I also loved Rush's comment when someone was killed. Young got upset but he was thinking the same thing as Rush. So these characters have their moments. Sadly some have them more than others.
I disagree. With that assessment of being wallpaper. He has his scenes of standing out and saying what he believes in. Thats not wallpaper to me