Has anyone else noticed...

[KokiriChild]

Firstly I'd like to say a huge "hello" to everyone here, I've been reading the forums for ages, but only just decided to register and take part.

Secondly, has anyone noticed a small continuity error between the movie and the show, paticularly the name of a certain small boy who shot himself with his father's gun.

In the series he's known as Charley, but I was watching the movie again (for about the 400th time) and happened to notice right at the beginning when the airforce go to Jack O'Neill's house to recall him into active duty, the camera pans around "Charley"'s bedroom and on the middle of the shelve there's a certificate awarded to "Tyler O'Neill", next to a load of photographs of Charley/Tyler playing baseball.

Assuming Jack and Sarah had no other children as there's no mention of them anywhere else in the series, was this one very small detail overlooked perhaps?

http://www.standrewsplayers.org.uk/tyler.jpg

EDIT:I've posted a screenshot for you all, but I have no graphics software so you'll have to turn the brightness up on your monitors to see it properly!

[omnian]

It's a common thought that maybe Charlie was his middle name and he didn't like to be called Tyler. Maybe though.....or they just changed it among with other things.

[KokiriChild]

Hmm, quite possibly... I guess this falls into Red Chevrons (a catagory me and my mates made up, originally spun from "Oooh, where'd the Red chevrons come from?")

[They call me Tim]

Well, how about the fact that O'neill is spelled with only one "L"...it is just a thing

[KokiriChild]

My teachers were dumb and mispelled my surname loads, but they never mispelled my first name and made me a different person ;)

[Newbie]

Hmm, quite possibly... I guess this falls into Red Chevrons (a catagory me and my mates made up, originally spun from "Oooh, where'd the Red chevrons come from?")
i'm really intersted, what else is in the Red Chevrons???

[Sir Ruff]

Have you noticed that the name of the mountain complex in the movie is Greek mountain(was it?) and in the series Cheyenne mountain complex.. Why would have they moved the gate?

[omnian]

Have you noticed that the name of the mountain complex in the movie is Greek mountain(was it?) and in the series Cheyenne mountain complex.. Why would have they moved the gate?

Close.....it was Creek Mountain. But they look remarkably similar... :)
Maybe it was changed to make it more realistic?

[Anthro Girl]

AFAIK, Creek Mountain is a fictional base established in the movie. Cheyenne Mountain is a real US Air Force Base...and probably one of the coolest looking. :) In any case, you could think of it as moving the gate. Or...you could think of it as the series producers getting cooperation from the USAF that the movie producers did not get.

[Crazedwraith]

Have you noticed that the name of the mountain complex in the movie is Greek mountain(was it?) and in the series Cheyenne mountain complex.. Why would have they moved the gate?
Well in CotG, O'Neill says he's been here before when going to Cheyanne mountain. So accoriding to SG-1 in the film it was in Cheyanne mountain and the film got it wrong.

[Chevron_nine]

Or maybe both the film and movie are right and the facility only had it's name changed. I'm not sure how common this kind of thing would be, or if the military does it at all, but it's probably the most likely solution.

[Jprime]

Yeah I just got around to watching the movie and I immediately noticed that. I quickly rewound the tape, annoying my brother out of his mind (he has no patience for my nitpicking habits). Also, I noticed another innacuracy:Abydos' location. I thought that since the asgards galaxy is the next one over (excuse the over-simplicity) and abydos is the closest gate to us, it makes sense that they are in our galaxy. Also, I suppose that that nifty star-map (the one with the motorized lens thingy to target planets) must be pointing at our galaxy and not our planet if abydos is in a distant galaxy because otherwise the map would be big enough to COVER our galxy...

Now that my blood sugar level has fallen and by fingers have stopped vibrating...

[skyfield]

OK, I haven't watched Stargate regularly for very long, so maybe I missed something, but did anyone notice that in "Hathor" Janet said that her husband told her that it was a "man's army", and in "Heroes" she told the documentary guy that she had no husband? Did she get divorced? Why didn't we hear about it? Or did I really just miss something?

[KokiriChild]

i'm really intersted, what else is in the Red Chevrons???
the fact that the gate doesn't rotate offworld, arguements over point-of-origin and stellar drift, the lack of vortex at the rear of the stargate upon an incoming wormhole, why the Abydos gate seems to be the only gate with different symbols (in the movie they were different to the earth gate, in the series every gate has the same), why Abydos in the movie was on the other side of the known universe and in the series it's the closest planet to earth (hence the lack of stellar drift)... uuuhm, can't think of anything else off teh top of my head

[omnian]

Y'know what I've only just noticed? In Children of the Gods when they've just sent the box of tissues to Abydos, if you look at the stellar map then you can see Stargate destinations already on there. Maybe this is just a mistake or that footage was from later in the series.....I don't know.

[KokiriChild]

Yeah I just got around to watching the movie and I immediately noticed that. I quickly rewound the tape, annoying my brother out of his mind (he has no patience for my nitpicking habits). Also, I noticed another innacuracy:Abydos' location. I thought that since the asgards galaxy is the next one over (excuse the over-simplicity) and abydos is the closest gate to us, it makes sense that they are in our galaxy. Also, I suppose that that nifty star-map (the one with the motorized lens thingy to target planets) must be pointing at our galaxy and not our planet if abydos is in a distant galaxy because otherwise the map would be big enough to COVER our galxy...

Now that my blood sugar level has fallen and by fingers have stopped vibrating...
OMG, I didn't read your post before replying to newbie, but can I just say I love you! Hahaha, me and my mates have had HUGE arguements over this, that's why we've come up with a catagory entitled "Red Chevrons" which contains all the unknown mysteries about the Stargate system... If any "outsiders" (i.e: those annoying people who watch 1 episode and attempt to rip your life to shreds by asking you really painful questions about the Stargate and make you seem like a low-down-sci-fi-loving-no-girlfriend-type-geek) ask us questions that would fall into the "Red Chevrons" catagory we usually say somehting like "The gate was built by a race known as the ancients who are a good 4'000 years more advanced than we are, how teh hell do we know?"

[KokiriChild]

Y'know what I've only just noticed? In Children of the Gods when they've just sent the box of tissues to Abydos, if you look at the stellar map then you can see Stargate destinations already on there. Maybe this is just a mistake or that footage was from later in the series.....I don't know.
I've heard they were names of stars, not planets (stars are also refered to by names like P4x-505 if they have no name)

[Jprime]

[QUOTE=KokiriChild]OMG, I didn't read your post before replying to newbie, but can I just say I love you! QUOTE]
Its so great to be appreciated! ;)

[Thoth]

How do they decide on the gate address names?

There are 5, sometimes 6, variable alpha-numerical symbols (sorry I just always wnated to use that word) like P3X 244. There are 6 variable stargate symbols ( I am of course excluding the POO). So, it can't be based on stargate addresses.

None of the locational formulae that I know allow for 5, sometimes 6, co-ordinants.

Firstly, you have your basic grid fashion. X, Y and the third (for 3D, what do you call it?) axes. It would allow for any multiple of three co-ords, Eg: (56, 02, 24), but never 5.

Secondly, you have your stargate system. Any co-ord from each of six cubic faces. This would allow for any multiple of 6, but yet again, not 5.

Finally, you have your Star Trek system. On two axes of rotation from Earth, you can pin point any direction by using degrees across and upwards. But, you can't tell the location as it doesn't allow for distance. For a while I thought that this was their system and they added on an extra digit/letter to accomodate for distance from Earth. But that was ruled out when I saw one planet with one letter too many. It had an R at the end.

So, any ideas?

[omnian]

How do they decide on the gate address names?

There are 5, sometimes 6, variable alpha-numerical symbols (sorry I just always wnated to use that word) like P3X 244. There are 6 variable stargate symbols ( I am of course excluding the POO). So, it can't be based on stargate addresses.

None of the locational formulae that I know allow for 5, sometimes 6, co-ordinants.

Firstly, you have your basic grid fashion. X, Y and the third (for 3D, what do you call it?) axes. It would allow for any multiple of three co-ords, Eg: (56, 02, 24), but never 5.

Secondly, you have your stargate system. Any co-ord from each of six cubic faces. This would allow for any multiple of 6, but yet again, not 5.

Finally, you have your Star Trek system. On two axes of rotation from Earth, you can pin point any direction by using degrees across and upwards. But, you can't tell the location as it doesn't allow for distance. For a while I thought that this was their system and they added on an extra digit/letter to accomodate for distance from Earth. But that was ruled out when I saw one planet with one letter too many. It had an R at the end.

So, any ideas?

Heehee.....the planet designations are completely made up. The producers have to keep a record of all the ones they've used to date so that they don't accidently repeat themselves. It's not based upon any mathematical calculations or anything like that, lol.

[KokiriChild]

although in the show they compensate for this by saying the names are based on the binary the computer spits out, and if you take all 25 letters (exclude the x for now), add all 10 numbers (0-9) you get 25, add the x back in as a sort of no^25 configuration dealy (kinda like (to quote SG-1): "Dialing a different zip-code") and you have well over 39 individual characters, of which you only need 6 to specify an address.

[Aadizookaan]

Heehee.....the planet designations are completely made up. The producers have to keep a record of all the ones they've used to date so that they don't accidently repeat themselves. It's not based upon any mathematical calculations or anything like that, lol.
Of that I'm not so sure...the made up thingy. I'm pretty sure the P3X-595, for example, is a planet and N3X-595, as another example, is for a moon. It's from Prodigy. There was a question in it regarding this from someone in the show - "why has the designation/name changed" and Carter explains away.

Or was it 2001? No? Or was it Paradise Lost? Oh, I think it was....? Shi*. I think I'll have to watch the entire series again to catch where I saw it.

[Sela]

[QUOTE=KokiriChild]Firstly I'd like to say a huge "hello" to everyone here, I've been reading the forums for ages, but only just decided to register and take part.

Secondly, has anyone noticed a small continuity error between the movie and the show, paticularly the name of a certain small boy who shot himself with his father's gun.

In the series he's known as Charley, but I was watching the movie again (for about the 400th time) and happened to notice right at the beginning when the airforce go to Jack O'Neill's house to recall him into active duty, the camera pans around "Charley"'s bedroom and on the middle of the shelve there's a certificate awarded to "Tyler O'Neill", next to a load of photographs of Charley/Tyler playing baseball.
[QUOTE]

Also notice how there's only one 'L' in O'Neill?

[KokiriChild]

[QUOTE=KokiriChild]Firstly I'd like to say a huge "hello" to everyone here, I've been reading the forums for ages, but only just decided to register and take part.

Secondly, has anyone noticed a small continuity error between the movie and the show, paticularly the name of a certain small boy who shot himself with his father's gun.

In the series he's known as Charley, but I was watching the movie again (for about the 400th time) and happened to notice right at the beginning when the airforce go to Jack O'Neill's house to recall him into active duty, the camera pans around "Charley"'s bedroom and on the middle of the shelve there's a certificate awarded to "Tyler O'Neill", next to a load of photographs of Charley/Tyler playing baseball.
[QUOTE]

Also notice how there's only one 'L' in O'Neill?
Yup, stupid teacher's spelling name's wrong :P

[Anubis]

After all the time at looking at the photo, I still didn't notice that there was only one 'L' in the name

[Nolamom]

Yup, stupid teacher's spelling name's wrong :P

Oh let's not blame this on the teacher! Surely it is an administrative mistake. You know how pesky those school registrars can be. One slipped up letter, and a kid's life is RUINED. It is virtually impossible to recover! The only hope is to leave that venue (in this case the movie) and go to an entire new situation (the tv show) and pray that the errors don't follow you.
Nmom
...defender of teachers everywhere!...

[dipsofjazz]

Oh let's not blame this on the teacher! Surely it is an administrative mistake. You know how pesky those school registrars can be. One slipped up letter, and a kid's life is RUINED. It is virtually impossible to recover! The only hope is to leave that venue (in this case the movie) and go to an entire new situation (the tv show) and pray that the errors don't follow you.
Nmom
...defender of teachers everywhere!...
Well said, Nmom, I'm right behind you!!! :)

[omnian]

Of that I'm not so sure...the made up thingy. I'm pretty sure the P3X-595, for example, is a planet and N3X-595, as another example, is for a moon. It's from Prodigy. There was a question in it regarding this from someone in the show - "why has the designation/name changed" and Carter explains away.

Or was it 2001? No? Or was it Paradise Lost? Oh, I think it was....? Shi*. I think I'll have to watch the entire series again to catch where I saw it.

Okay, someone (Peter DeLuise I think) said somewhere, in one of the special features, that the planet designations ARE made up or at the least, completely random. I can't remember what one it is but I'm going to find out......

[Mr Prophet]

The SGC designations are supposedly binary codes (don't know why they have all these 3's and letters in them then, but there you go) referring to the program which the computer uses to calculate the new coordinates from Abydos addresses and stellar drift charts. They're not supposed to be coordinates in an of themselves.

[omnian]

The SGC designations are supposedly binary codes (don't know why they have all these 3's and letters in them then, but there you go) referring to the program which the computer uses to calculate the new coordinates from Abydos addresses and stellar drift charts. They're not supposed to be coordinates in an of themselves.

Exactly! These codes are random and are not part of some kind of complex calculation. I mean, why go to such lengths for a TV show when you can just make them up?

[SGSlugger]

The SGC designations are supposedly binary codes (don't know why they have all these 3's and letters in them then, but there you go) referring to the program which the computer uses to calculate the new coordinates from Abydos addresses and stellar drift charts. They're not supposed to be coordinates in an of themselves.

What if certain numbers designate roughly where a planet is located?
P3X-595 = in the 3rd quadrent or something?

It could be just wishful thinking though. TPTB have never really fully explained this.

[Nolamom]

TPTB have never really fully explained this.

Probably becuase they've never taken the time to figure out an actual system for naming these places.
Nmom

[Anubis]

It seems strange that they just find out the name of a planet before they even arrive there and study it

[Teal'c]

Ugh....

The designations are completely 100% made up! P4X-639 isn't some coordinate system or something. Sam said in The Broca Divide that the designations are based on a binary code the computer uses (Thus why it's not in 1s and 0s, based...) Nobody ever said why BP6-3Q1 or M4C-862 didn't start with P. (Well, in the commentry for Prodigy, Joe said that Paul came up with the M for moon thing... even though every other moon begins with a P, like in Avenger 2.0 :P)

[Teal'c]

It seems strange that they just find out the name of a planet before they even arrive there and study it
WTF are you talking about? :P

[aAnubiSs]

It's not like someone is gonna name their own planet P4C-555 or something like that :)

[Anubis]

Before I responded, aAnubiSs posted my answer instead. Besides who's going to name their planet something like P3X-292 or anything along these lines

Teal'c, I seem to be causing you some confusion!

[Jprime]

Its just like stardates in trek-originally bill made em up on the spot, but later they worked out a system for them.

[KokiriChild]

Oh let's not blame this on the teacher! Surely it is an administrative mistake. You know how pesky those school registrars can be. One slipped up letter, and a kid's life is RUINED. It is virtually impossible to recover! The only hope is to leave that venue (in this case the movie) and go to an entire new situation (the tv show) and pray that the errors don't follow you.
Nmom
...defender of teachers everywhere!...
OMG, you reminded me of a very funny incident from high-school, for the first... 4 years I was listed as a female and had no idea!

[Nolamom]

OMG, you reminded me of a very funny incident from high-school, for the first... 4 years I was listed as a female and had no idea!

And I take it that you discovered (perhaps in health?) that you are not, in fact, female?
Nmom

[KokiriChild]

Yeah, well, the give away was... Ok, for those of you who aren't British (as I dunno how this works abroad) in year 8 all the girls get assembled in the hall (called together, not "built from mechano") for a talk about their... "time of the month" and blood flows and pregnancy and stuff... None of us knew this was coming until every girl in our year, plus me was summoned to the main hall... needless to say I learnt some very interesting lessons that day before they'd let me go and change my details.

[Thoth]

Seriously! Oh, that's funny!

God damn all those teachers and their mistakes!

[KokiriChild]

Yeah, but sadley I was never included in the girls changing rooms during PE :(

[NGE402]

How do they decide on the gate address names?

There are 5, sometimes 6, variable alpha-numerical symbols (sorry I just always wnated to use that word) like P3X 244. There are 6 variable stargate symbols ( I am of course excluding the POO). So, it can't be based on stargate addresses.

None of the locational formulae that I know allow for 5, sometimes 6, co-ordinants.

Firstly, you have your basic grid fashion. X, Y and the third (for 3D, what do you call it?) axes. It would allow for any multiple of three co-ords, Eg: (56, 02, 24), but never 5.

So, any ideas?

The third point on a 3D grid would be "Z".

[Mr Prophet]

Yeah, but sadley I was never included in the girls changing rooms during PE :(

Of course, you probably wouldn't have wanted to be until about Year 8. Honestly, the fuss Year 6 boys make about just sitting next to girls (and versa vice).


The third point on a 3D grid would be "Z".

Us mathmos are zany that way. :p

[KokiriChild]

Us mathmos are zany that way. :p
Yeah, logical sequencing, what were you thinking??? :P

[Mr Prophet]

Yeah, logical sequencing, what were you thinking??? :P

Leaves us a little stuck for a 4D coordinate system of course, which is why we claim time travel is impossible.

[KokiriChild]

Isn't it z/0?