Sam Carter /Jack O'Neill Ship Appreciation Thread 2.0

[UhSir]

To make up for my earlier rant I bring fluff...

I love you Dad.


I love him Dad.

[trinity3]

Sooooo quiet

Night Ship family

[BrenRen]

Good evening, Shippers!


I just did something I have done in quite a while. I watched Conintuum--start to finish, even!


And, since the last couple times I'd seen it were during my little sabbatical from the thread here, I haven't ever really delved in to any sort of real analytical dissection of the story... So I thought I'd make up for it with the following...



The Shipper Chronicles: Stargate Continuum

Summary:

As if we didn’t already have enough reason to hate Ba’al, he kills Jack again, mucks up the timeline and forces Sam to live a full year without Jack.

SQUEES:
Ba’al knows! Ba’al asks how Jack’s doing. Cut to Jack telling him he’s a pretty happy camper. Cut back to Ba’al, whose gaze slides from Jack over to Sam as he says knowingly, “Good for you.” It seemed pretty clear thru my rosy Shipper lenses that Ba'al knows exactly what the score is between Jack and Sam.

Sam’s voice. In particular, right after Jack is stabbed and tells them to leave for the gate, she tells him “Not without you.” There is such incredible depth of emotion in that brief little line—delivered with the perfect amount of tortured anguish by the brilliant AT. Also on board the boat right after their time warp. Sam is obviously distraught and distracted, and Cam tells her he knows what happened back there, but they need her in the ‘here and now’. She tries valiantly to shake it off and pull the good soldier mask back on, but does not manage to conceal the pain in her eyes or her voice.

Speaking of, Sam’s eyes. Such wonderful pain (yup, my inner-angst-lover is showing again) haunts poor Sam’s eyes from the moment Jack is stabbed… until she meets AlterJack on the ice. For a very brief time, a little light comes back into her eyes… until it is abruptly extinguished when AlterJack reveals that his son is alive and well. Right after that line, there’s a cut back to Sam as that spark of life dies, never to be seen again—well, until they get out to Ba’al’s temporal device, when once again, hope flares back up when she gets the chance to fix the timeline.

Frooties… A cheap imitation, but the closest thing she can get in this life she’s not supposed to be living.

The look on Sam’s face when she tells Jack she was hoping to go over plans for the new moonbase. <Moonbase! Giggle!>

“What further instruction could there be other than, ‘Kiss your ass goodbye!’?” Yeah, Jack is definitely rubbing off on her—I could practically hear his voice over hers delivering that cute little line.

Woo Hoo’s:
Daniel dies again!
Major Yummy! Er… Major Davies!
Hayes is still the President!
Below the belt—Teal’c gets shot—twice—by the wicked Jaffa… right in the nether region. That had to hurt.
I didn’t think it was possible, but AlterDaniel was even more of a geek!
The Russians saved the day!
Teal’c’s last line: “Indeed.”

Nit-picks:
AlterGeneral Hammond. He should’ve recognized Sam. If AlterSam ended up an astronaut in absence of the Stargate program, there’s little doubt in my mind that her father would still have been an AF General, so why wouldn’t Jacob & George have known each other in the Alternate Timeline, as they had in ours for a significant time according to their own exposition?

Neither Jack nor Sam got the chance to deliver a vindicating kill shot at one of the Ba’al’s. Jack should’ve pulled out a zat and fired a quick triple burst at the symbiote post-extraction. That would’ve been so very satisfying for all parties.

Daniel’s line at the end, wondering what Ba’al meant when he said they were making a big mistake. If it were my script, he’d have said something more like, “I wonder if Ba’al has any idea you and your grandfather killed his clone in 1939.” Especially in consideration of the picture of Cam and Gramps in Cam’s locker.

Overall:

Eight and a half out of ten fluttering hearts for a fun ride loaded with lovely, subtle Shippy Angst, with a bonus Gutter Splash for the Moonbase! <Moonbase! Giggle!>
EDIT: A little rethinking after reading Rachel's great Continuum post a page back led me to bumping the overall rating up a point.

[Nynaeve506]

Bren - I think we have lots of proof they're together. But my favorite comparison is:

Look at her eyes... now... look at this:

See something similar???

Oh yeah baby... the angst proves it LOL

[mad_gater]

Yeah.

Can't you just see her lying in bed with Jack telling him that she punched Baal.

I'm sure Jack was very proud and rewarded her well

- indeed....

*huggles shippers*

Obviously this little shipper has been out of the loop for too long! What is the day of indulgence?

welcome back....

[BrenRen]

I just couldn't resist playing with the pretty pics...

Click for Full Size WP...

[Nynaeve506]

Great job Bren!!!

And now... drumroll please...

I HAVE COMPLETED IT!!!

Professional Boundaries is now complete!! It is a sequel/companion piece to the also complete:

Supposed Crime which was started in MAY of 2009. :: falls over ::

You could have had a baby in the time it took me to get this done. However it is a long piece (both are) so be prepared...

For those wondering it's AU!

[Valerie_Jackson]

Good evening, Shippers!


I just did something I have done in quite a while. I watched Continuum--start to finish, even!


And, since the last couple times I'd seen it were during my little sabbatical from the thread here, I haven't ever really delved in to any sort of real analytical dissection of the story... So I thought I'd make up for it with the following...



The Shipper Chronicles: Stargate Continuum

Summary:

As if we didn’t already have enough reason to hate Ba’al, he kills Jack again, mucks up the timeline and forces Sam to live a full year without Jack.

SQUEES:
Ba’al knows! Ba’al asks how Jack’s doing. Cut to Jack telling him he’s a pretty happy camper. Cut back to Ba’al, whose gaze slides from Jack over to Sam as he says knowingly, “Good for you.” It seemed pretty clear thru my rosy Shipper lenses that Ba'al knows exactly what the score is between Jack and Sam.

Sam’s voice. In particular, right after Jack is stabbed and tells them to leave for the gate, she tells him “Not without you.” There is such incredible depth of emotion in that brief little line—delivered with the perfect amount of tortured anguish by the brilliant AT. Also on board the boat right after their time warp. Sam is obviously distraught and distracted, and Cam tells her he knows what happened back there, but they need her in the ‘here and now’. She tries valiantly to shake it off and pull the good soldier mask back on, but does not manage to conceal the pain in her eyes or her voice.

Speaking of, Sam’s eyes. Such wonderful pain (yup, my inner-angst-lover is showing again) haunts poor Sam’s eyes from the moment Jack is stabbed… until she meets AlterJack on the ice. For a very brief time, a little light comes back into her eyes… until it is abruptly extinguished when AlterJack reveals that his son is alive and well. Right after that line, there’s a cut back to Sam as that spark of life dies, never to be seen again—well, until they get out to Ba’al’s temporal device, when once again, hope flares back up when she gets the chance to fix the timeline.

Frooties… A cheap imitation, but the closest thing she can get in this life she’s not supposed to be living.

The look on Sam’s face when she tells Jack she was hoping to go over plans for the new moonbase. <Moonbase! Giggle!>

“What further instruction could there be other than, ‘Kiss your ass goodbye!’?” Yeah, Jack is definitely rubbing off on her—I could practically hear his voice over hers delivering that cute little line.

Woo Hoo’s:
Daniel dies again!
Major Yummy! Er… Major Davies!
Hayes is still the President!
Below the belt—Teal’c gets shot—twice—by the wicked Jaffa… right in the nether region. That had to hurt.
I didn’t think it was possible, but AlterDaniel was even more of a geek!
The Russians saved the day!
Teal’c’s last line: “Indeed.”

Nit-picks:
AlterGeneral Hammond. He should’ve recognized Sam. If AlterSam ended up an astronaut in absence of the Stargate program, there’s little doubt in my mind that her father would still have been an AF General, so why wouldn’t Jacob & George have known each other in the Alternate Timeline, as they had in ours for a significant time according to their own exposition?

Neither Jack nor Sam got the chance to deliver a vindicating kill shot at one of the Ba’al’s. Jack should’ve pulled out a zat and fired a quick triple burst at the symbiote post-extraction. That would’ve been so very satisfying for all parties.

Daniel’s line at the end, wondering what Ba’al meant when he said they were making a big mistake. If it were my script, he’d have said something more like, “I wonder if Ba’al has any idea you and your grandfather killed his clone in 1939.” Especially in consideration of the picture of Cam and Gramps in Cam’s locker.

Overall:

Eight and a half out of ten fluttering hearts for a fun ride loaded with lovely, subtle Shippy Angst, with a bonus Gutter Splash for the Moonbase! <Moonbase! Giggle!>
EDIT: A little rethinking after reading Rachel's great Continuum post a page back led me to bumping the overall rating up a point.

Wow Bren, you need to do this more often. And I need to rewatch Continuum... soon.

[leiasky]

Yes, Trinity, that's the name of the new SG-1 movie.

[yessika]

BrenRen great post on Continuum! *virtual green for that*

Can I possibly be the only one here who loves Moebius?

Twi I shall read all of Supposed Crime and Professional Boundaries *has a very long list of fanfic to read*

[OffWorldJourney]

Jack should marry Samantha Carter.

[Nynaeve506]

BrenRen great post on Continuum! *virtual green for that*

Can I possibly be the only one here who loves Moebius?

Twi I shall read all of Supposed Crime and Professional Boundaries *has a very long list of fanfic to read*

No no!! I <3 Moebius... but I *love* AUs.

My AU thoughts

Spoiler:

The reason I enjoy writing/reading AUs and watching them in sci-fi is because when you have great characters sometimes I have the urge to see them stretched a little. Certain types of shows, like SG-1, have a bit of a reset button they like to push at the end - they might have some residual effects but overall... not so much. Therein lies (IMO) untapped potential to really flesh the character out in ways that we rarely get to see. Moebius is written as more of a humorous AU but in a way it shows us a side of Sam Carter that was "repressed" so to speak. Why was she nerdy? Did her mom not die? Did that cause her to lack confidence in herself... what was her mother like? When I write AU personally it let's me contemplate hidden aspects of the character and help me understand why the character is the way that he or she is. Granted, I think they just wanted to do a fun episode... and let AT use some of that GREAT comedy... but still...

One of the reasons I like writing AU and fic for S/J is because I find their characters both fascinating and full of unexplored potential (as I mentioned before). I don't have an interest in fanfic for Dexter, or House, or Lost... they push their characters in extreme ways and let me see what I crave. SG-1 doesn't. Does that make sense?

SC and PB were a project for me let me tell you... I'm so glad to be finished but I feel rather proud of the stories myself I'll be eager to hear what you think (even if it's to tell me you hate them. I'm okay with that LOL).

Jack should marry Samantha Carter.

I am of the camp that says they are soooooooooooooooo married already

[yessika]

No no!! I <3 Moebius... but I *love* AUs.

My AU thoughts

Spoiler:

The reason I enjoy writing/reading AUs and watching them in sci-fi is because when you have great characters sometimes I have the urge to see them stretched a little. Certain types of shows, like SG-1, have a bit of a reset button they like to push at the end - they might have some residual effects but overall... not so much. Therein lies (IMO) untapped potential to really flesh the character out in ways that we rarely get to see. Moebius is written as more of a humorous AU but in a way it shows us a side of Sam Carter that was "repressed" so to speak. Why was she nerdy? Did her mom not die? Did that cause her to lack confidence in herself... what was her mother like? When I write AU personally it let's me contemplate hidden aspects of the character and help me understand why the character is the way that he or she is. Granted, I think they just wanted to do a fun episode... and let AT use some of that GREAT comedy... but still...

One of the reasons I like writing AU and fic for S/J is because I find their characters both fascinating and full of unexplored potential (as I mentioned before). I don't have an interest in fanfic for Dexter, or House, or Lost... they push their characters in extreme ways and let me see what I crave. SG-1 doesn't. Does that make sense?

SC and PB were a project for me let me tell you... I'm so glad to be finished but I feel rather proud of the stories myself I'll be eager to hear what you think (even if it's to tell me you hate them. I'm okay with that LOL).



I am of the camp that says they are soooooooooooooooo married already

Yep that makes sense.

I can't hate fanfiction, maybe I won't like it but I won't hate it

Joins soooooooooooo married camp

[JenniferJF]

Ba’al knows! Ba’al asks how Jack’s doing. Cut to Jack telling him he’s a pretty happy camper. Cut back to Ba’al, whose gaze slides from Jack over to Sam as he says knowingly, “Good for you.” It seemed pretty clear thru my rosy Shipper lenses that Ba'al knows exactly what the score is between Jack and Sam.

And that's one of the sources (for me, I can't speak for Twi) that tells me there's more going on there between the three of them - at least from Ba'al towards the others - than meets the eyes.

The other thing I adore about scene is the blocking. Sam and Jack are shot almost always squarely together when facing Ba'al, and I get the strong sense of Sam supporting Jack in that faceoff. And even the shots of Ba'al from the front talking to Jack show Sam standing next to Jack as Ba'al speaks to him. It's very clear it's Sam-n-Jack facing Ba'al, not simply Jack, which also speaks to the level of their relationship. (as I think, as we discussed with the punch, Sam knows what happened to Jack and how hard it actually is for Jack to face Ba'al again and is actually consciously supporting him emotionally then.)

Sam’s voice. In particular, right after Jack is stabbed and tells them to leave for the gate, she tells him “Not without you.” There is such incredible depth of emotion in that brief little line—delivered with the perfect amount of tortured anguish by the brilliant AT.

Plus, if you listen closely, you can hear a bit of 'the music' APA refers to as the Angst Theme right there as Jack is dying... *sob*

Also on board the boat right after their time warp. Sam is obviously distraught and distracted, and Cam tells her he knows what happened back there, but they need her in the ‘here and now’.

And don't forget, the *way* Cam tells her, "I know what happened back there," implies it was something that happened *to Sam* and not to the rest of them (or he'd have been more specific, as in "I know we just lost half our team..."), some personal trauma, which she has to overcome more than the rest of them. Which implies not only that Sam and Jack are together, but that Cam knows and it's just a generally accepted thing.

(yup, my inner-angst-lover is showing again) haunts poor Sam’s eyes from the moment Jack is stabbed… until she meets AlterJack on the ice. For a very brief time, a little light comes back into her eyes… until it is abruptly extinguished when AlterJack reveals that his son is alive and well.

I was discussing that elsewhere just yesterday, actually, after having rewatched Point of View because, while there are obvious parallels throughout Continuum to PoV in what our guys go through in that timeline to what AU Sam went through in PoV, there is a very specific one right there. If you recall, in PoV when Jack first walks into the infirmary and sees Dr. Carter in the bed, she gets that same look of excitement and hope which is, also, quickly crushed when he speaks to her afterwards she says, "It's not the same between us here, is it?" Even though, as with Sam in Continuum, that Sam knew intellectually and rationally it *couldn't* really be her Jack, on a purely emotional instinctive level she still *reacted* to him as though he were. Which I think is such a *real* reaction - because *every* sense would be screaming it *was* him and I do think that would overcome internal logic. At least momentarily.

Of course, it also speaks to just how emotional Sam really is, beneath the soldier and scientist she shows the world most of the time...

Right after that line, there’s a cut back to Sam as that spark of life dies, never to be seen again

I also think it's interesting that, upon learning Charlie is dead, Sam immediately gives up and *knows* it's not her Jack and never can be. By then, I think Sam knows Jack intimately enough - not simply his history but the *effect* that had on him - to know that means he is solidly NOT her Jack.

I believe this is also reflected in the hangar scene with Landry. Not only does Sam seem more emotionally distraught than the other two (Daniel is EATING FCOL and Cam seems almost coldly rational) in that scene, but when Landry questions their right to change the timeline, I get a sense that Sam - more than the boys - almost immediately sees his point and that a part of her agrees. I like to think that's because Charlie is still alive... Because while she doesn't have Jack, that Jack also never experienced the incredible trauma of Charlie's death or the destruction which happened in its wake so it's easier for her to understand on an emotional level how some things in that timeline really are better...

The look on Sam’s face when she tells Jack she was hoping to go over plans for the new moonbase. <Moonbase! Giggle!>

This?:

As I've said before, we know from other incidents which I won't burn your eyes out with again that this is Flirting!Sam.. not Geek!Sam Further proof it ain't bases on the moon she's actually excited about.

“What further instruction could there be other than, ‘Kiss your ass goodbye!’?” Yeah, Jack is definitely rubbing off on her—I could practically hear his voice over hers delivering that cute little line.

See, I think that's as much a Jackism as it is a Jacobism, cause I can absolutely hear Jacob saying it, too (think of their conversation in Enemies, for example) and I think is as much proof that, since Threads, Sam has become more relaxed and more *herself* than anything else. That self, though of course, also means letting herself be with Jack at last

Though you are right, too, because I think in a lot of ways Jack and Jacob are a lot alike (which is probably one of the reasons Jack and Sam are attracted to each other in the first place... er... not simply that he's like her father in any kind of Freudian way but because she's a lot like Jacob herself as Hammond observed in Tok'ra).

I do think, though, Sam's earlier line during the interview: "I don't give a rat's ass" is a pure Jackism and is not something I can hear Jacob Carter saying at all

*happy sigh*

I love that movie.

Yeah, I know I said I had an edited version of 'the real' bits.. but I also said I watch it whole a lot, too

Self-pimpage: My Continuum story (which amazingly even to me still fits within canon) Once Upon a Time which I may have to go reread now myself

[Valerie_Jackson]

BrenRen great post on Continuum! *virtual green for that*

Can I possibly be the only one here who loves Moebius?

Twi I shall read all of Supposed Crime and Professional Boundaries *has a very long list of fanfic to read*

*raises hand* I love Moebius!!! Yes I do! I love Moebius and so do you!
As for the fanfic. I tend to avoid very long fic, but I'll make an exception for these two fics.