Is "Burying" the gate really necessary?

[Alterion]

Hey all,

First post on the forums here. I've looked around for any sort of information or even theory and I can't find anything. So let's start having some theoretical fun!

We know that a gate that's been "buried" cannot connect to any other gate - an incoming wormhole will simply not connect, and we assume it cannot dial out either.

But here's a question - what exactly constitutes a "buried" gate? For example, if a gate is buried in dirt or sand, there is technically a bit of air between each grain of sand all over the interior of the gate.

So... What if there's a small pocket of air in whatever material is filling the gate? Would the gate engage? If not, is there a percentage of the gate that has to be filled or buried so that it will not engage, and what is that percentage? Because if the point is that *anything* blocking the gate, at any percentage, stops it from accepting wormhole formation, then you could thread a single fishing line through the hole of the gate if you want all travel to stop, in or out.

And what if it's not the percentage of the area being filled but rather the fact that the stargate can't "cycle" (inside ring can't turn) that matters? That would mean you just put a lock on the gate to stop it and you're done.

What are your thoughts on the matter?

[lordofseas]

Hey all,

First post on the forums here. I've looked around for any sort of information or even theory and I can't find anything. So let's start having some theoretical fun!

We know that a gate that's been "buried" cannot connect to any other gate - an incoming wormhole will simply not connect, and we assume it cannot dial out either.

But here's a question - what exactly constitutes a "buried" gate? For example, if a gate is buried in dirt or sand, there is technically a bit of air between each grain of sand all over the interior of the gate.

So... What if there's a small pocket of air in whatever material is filling the gate? Would the gate engage? If not, is there a percentage of the gate that has to be filled or buried so that it will not engage, and what is that percentage? Because if the point is that *anything* blocking the gate, at any percentage, stops it from accepting wormhole formation, then you could thread a single fishing line through the hole of the gate if you want all travel to stop, in or out.

And what if it's not the percentage of the area being filled but rather the fact that the stargate can't "cycle" (inside ring can't turn) that matters? That would mean you just put a lock on the gate to stop it and you're done.

What are your thoughts on the matter?

Something that blocks the event horizon from forming. Whether that be a 100 tons of dirt, or a simple piece of metal.

[Ed]

its simple really goes by a formulae

(DP^2)/pi

Where D is the number deus ex machias that episode and P is the speed of plot

[Alx]

right on the money ed!

[lordofseas]

its simple really goes by a formulae

(DP^2)/pi

Where D is the number deus ex machias that episode and P is the speed of plot

And pi, because it was mentioned in the show.

[Steelbox]

its simple really goes by a formulae

(DP^2)/pi

Where D is the number deus ex machinas that episode and P is the speed of plot

Shouldn't it be R (radius)? There on your equation? The nomeclature is wrong. A simple metal or even cardbox Iris placed exactly where the event horizon form is enough to in utilize the gate. But buriyng in dirt is the easiest way do do so.

[thekillman]

the inner side of the ring forms the EH. a strip of metal or cardbox, placed there stops the EH.

burying is not nessecary. merely uploading a virus(Avenger2.0) or changing the programming suffices (AIR)

[Serenity000]

moving the iris a few microns(as stated by carter) will effectively bury the gate.

[Alterion]

So if a planet wants to take a break from receiving Jaffa warriors and Goa'uld fake gods on your world, all you have to do is... throw a rope through it?

Somehow, I don't think that's canon.

[thekillman]

throw a rope????


no, you just topple it over, and fill the centre with mud. you can see the actual gate, but where normally the EH is, is now mud. so, you can not be dialled

[gateface]

So if a planet wants to take a break from receiving Jaffa warriors and Goa'uld fake gods on your world, all you have to do is... throw a rope through it?

Somehow, I don't think that's canon.

We don't know exactly how much matter you need in there to stop an event horizon from forming. It might depend on how solid it is, how hard it is to move it out of the way, and the quantity of matter.

But, yes, a way to "emergency bury" a gate, whatever it takes, would have been very useful in a number of episodes. Sokar's iris destroyer could have been defeated (but so would hooking up the beta gate--it would have given them the opportunity to spread the attack over two gates).

[jds1982]

throw a rope????


no, you just topple it over, and fill the centre with mud. you can see the actual gate, but where normally the EH is, is now mud. so, you can not be dialled

Heck, don't even fill it with anything, just knock it over and watch Jaffa fall back through the active gate. You could even make a drinking game out of it, take a shot each time a Jaffa gets fried.

[Steelbox]

the inner side of the ring forms the EH. a strip of metal or cardbox, placed there stops the EH.

burying is not nessecary. merely uploading a virus(Avenger2.0) or changing the programming suffices (AIR)

Burying is often done for two reason one is obviously looking the gate and two effectively to forget the past that the gate symbolized, torture, murder and slavery in the hands of your ex-god.

[Cmdr. Setsuna F. Seyei]

Heck, don't even fill it with anything, just knock it over and watch Jaffa fall back through the active gate. You could even make a drinking game out of it, take a shot each time a Jaffa gets fried.

how about dig a 50 foot deep pit and lower gate into it. that way incase any jaffa do make it out they'll just be trapped until the next incomig worm hole then zap.

[lordofseas]

I think it might actually even depend on the density of the stuff blocking the gate as well. Remember, the gate on one world was knocked over, facing down. Death Knell, I believe. The kawoosh made a hole in the mud, and O'Neill and Teal'c had room to fall in.