The Tollan!???!?

[Jag]

What happened to these guys? I know they cant really help Earth mutch now, but I would still like to know what happened to them. They have always sparked my interest. Then again, anyone who can make there own stargate could be of some use to earth :D

[Mr Prophet]

The Tollan were basically wiped out by Anubis. Whether there are any left...Well, they weren't much for colonialism and exploration, so there were unlikely to be many of them offworld when the attack came. The Stargate was destroyed and the ships which tried to escape were shot down. It seems unlikely then, but who - aside from scriptewriters and fanfic authors - can say for sure.

[Jag]

I some of them did get away, I am still interested to see what has become of this storyline. It seems their arrogance was their downfall. I want to see their faces now that they have been taken down a few notches. The Tollan were an interesting part of the story and should not be removed from the show i think.

[priornavalperson]

What happened to these guys? I know they cant really help Earth mutch now, but I would still like to know what happened to them. They have always sparked my interest. Then again, anyone who can make there own stargate could be of some use to earth :D
If you remember, (my old grey cells ain't what they used to be), the Tollan refused to help us because they were afraid we would misuse advanced technology for war and destory ourselves. The only time they appeared to want to help us was when the Cahncellor and most of their council were fronting for Tanith and Anubis.

But did Shroedinger survive, after all he has nine lives. ;) And it would be nice if Narim survived also, even if he was a bit creapy.

[Teal'c]

I think "they're toast" as Joe says all the time :P

[Mio]

I miss the tollan, personally

[anubis3355]

As I KNow the Tollan were fighting this minor goauld.......was he working for anubis or what'/???/ I missed it....................so anubis killed them off?? when?? :S

[Mr Prophet]

As I KNow the Tollan were fighting this minor goauld.......was he working for anubis or what'/???/ I missed it....................so anubis killed them off?? when?? :S

Well, Tanith said he was working for someone unnamed; since he suddenly had ion-proof shields, and no other high-tech super-Goa'uld have shown up, it seems a fair guess that it was Anubis calling - and perhaps making - the shots.

[KorbenDirewolf]

I'm fairly sure Tanith is later identified as being in the service of Anubis. I'd guess that any Tollan still alive are (were?) enslaved...

[anubis3355]

Ive'd been seeing that you people in the forums make many assumptions...............this is not cool.......well sometimes it is....

[earck]

I'd like to see Narim come back. The Tollans were interesting characters. But for the most part they were useless to us.

Maybe as an apology for almost getting us destroyed they'll get us some ion cannons and big honkin space guns.

[Champos]

Maybe as an apology for almost getting us destroyed they'll get us some ion cannons and big honkin space guns.

Maybe they'd be sorry about us NEARLY being destroyed, if they hadn't themselves ACTUALLY been destroyed. If they have survived I'd guess they'd be slightly more upset about their entire civilsation being destroyed. I know I would.

[Dibbs7]

Which episode was it in which we got to see the stargate they built?

[Jag]

Do you remember the episode that began with the iris expandinding due to the phase shift technology from the Tollan, then Narim sends the cat thru the iris. That was the episode. It only shows it briefly when they come thru it and Jack make the comment "Ours is bigger".

[SaberBlade]

Which episode was it in which we got to see the stargate they built?

Pretense. season 3 episode 15.

it would be good to see them again. with their new home destroyed, Earth could once again help them and possibly even get new technology from them (Anubis may have not have been vunerable to the Ion Cannon but i don't think the other Goa'uld would be as well). after the S7 ending, i think the tollan (or whats left of them) wouldn't have a problem considering giving over the designs for a Ion Cannon or the phase technology (which would make a great addition to the Prometheus or missles on the Prometheus)

[hezie99]

we already have the designs remember they are just so advanced that we cannot mass produce them

[SaberBlade]

we already have the designs remember they are just so advanced that we cannot mass produce them

we do. i thought we just had basic blueprints that should it but how to built them (must watch the episode again)

even if we can't mass produce them, stick a few on the Prometheus and you wouldn't need to mass produce them. the promtheus could take on a few motherships with them

[Andy867]

When, as noted in the fabled Sci-Fi classic Star Trek (ducks the ever-knowing flames), evern during a war, plague or famine, there are always survivors. And now that the SGC has a large-scale ship capable of interstellar travel, as well as a fleet of F-302s, it would be possible to visit Tollana and see if there any survivors and see Narim obviously has the "advanced" knowledge of what we call Quantam physics, my guess is that he might be more willing to help in further advancing our studies if we could offer our not-so-inferior-anymore aide.

[SaberBlade]

that is possible or we could just do what the goa'uld do, go there steal what ever crap we can get our hands on and get it back to home for study. the tollan were trying to leave the planet so it may be filled with some good stuff and info.

[Mio]

The problem is that it's too over our heads for us to just steal. Even when we had their phase shift armbands, they looked like a solid lump of material to us. We couldn't see circuits or anything.

[hezie99]

we would need jacks ancient knowledge to get there since when they where on earth they said it was to far away to expect a rescue ship in there life time. so we would need jack to get the engines to go very fast again

[Teal'c]

we would need jacks ancient knowledge to get there since when they where on earth they said it was to far away to expect a rescue ship in there life time. so we would need jack to get the engines to go very fast again
Omoc was saying it was too far for Tollan ships, however the Prometheus can travel at 2,373,784 times the speed of light, meaning it would take only 15 days at most to travel across the galaxy, but that was with it's old Naquadria hyperdrive and not it's new, slower Al'kesh hyperdrive. Even so, a Ha'tak can cross the galaxy in 3.125 years.

[Orb]

I don't remember the Tolland "making" their own Stargate. If they could, wouldn't their knowledge have been greater than the Ancients and if so, why and how were they destroyed.

And I believe Narim was shown to be "toast".....very dark toast. But my memory is going, so I could very easily be wrong. Corrections welcome.

[Mio]

Yes, they did make their own gate....actually, iirc, it looks more like the gate in the cartoon in my sig than a real gate <g>

Besides, They had the Nox's help. The Nox are very advanced, we just don't know to what degree....they could have one of those repository things.

[Mr Prophet]

The Nox didn't strike me as the Gate-building sort; they just weren't the explorer type. If they wanted to go wandering they probably just glanced through their brains for half an hour.

The implication is clear that the Tollan built their own Gate, but this in no way implies parity to Ancient knowledge. The Gate network seems to have been pretty everyday to the Ancients; a standard mode of transport a la 2001. It was therefore likely not the pinnacle of their science. Moreover, the Tollan had generations to study the Stargate on Tollan before they moved to Tollana; that would doubtless give thema leg-up.

As for ship transit times, remember that hyperspace velocities are very flexible things in the Stargate universe.

[Jag]

This is just a quick reply to the questions about stealing the Tollan technoloy.

Their Tech is so advanced, there are no wires or moving parts. So we wouldnt even know where to begin. Nor do we have the materials nessecary to build a stock pile of ion cannons.

[SaberBlade]

well i don't think that knowing who to use them would mean we still can't go there and take technology. they could easily download information from computers or take stuff that they would have a better chance of understanding like the weapon disarmers or even just basic computer equipment.

with the Rogue NID agents, i am surprised the ransacking of Tollana hasn't been done already. i don't think the Rogue NID care about not being able to understand it

[Champos]

with the Rogue NID agents, i am surprised the ransacking of Tollana hasn't been done already. i don't think the Rogue NID care about not being able to understand it

Maybe they are already doing that, although I'd imagine the technical problems the SGC would have would apply tenfold to them. Can someone refresh my memory; the new Tollan homeworld didn't have a gate, yes? And so they got to it from their original homeworld by ship, yes? And since their ships can't travel all that fast, it's presumably not all that far from their original homeworld to the new one, yes? So could we not simplygo through the stargate to the old homeworld and then take a ship on from there? Or was that gate destroyed? Anyway, there's surely got to be a gate not too far away that could be used as a staging post from which to moount a rescue/salvage mission, yes?

[Omak]

Mr Prophet - Remember that the Nox were 1 of 4 great races named by the Asgard in the episode that Jack had the repository downloaded into his head. The races were: Asgard, Furlings (which we have never seen), Nox, and the Ancients. It is widely held that the Ancients built the stargate network, but they may very well have shared that information. The Tollan went to the Nox for help, which is probably where they got gate plans.

Side note - I want Narim to come back as either a Goa'uld, or Jaffa!!

[Mr Prophet]

It is widely held that the Ancients built the stargate network, but they may very well have shared that information. The Tollan went to the Nox for help, which is probably where they got gate plans.


The Asgard stated that the Ancients built the Stargate, and I'm sure they shared much with the Nox, who certainly know how to activate a Stargate using their brain which is a fairly impressive trick. But I don't see them as Gate builders and I don't see them offering the tech to the Tollan; it just wouldn't occur to them to offer something so - from their perspective - unimportant and the Tollan aren't such hypocrites that they would ask for tech.

And as to a salvage run to the Tollan homeworld, since Anubis never got hold of the phase-shifting tech, it's probably a fair assumption that a) he never captured any Tollan scientists and b) there wasn't much left on Tollana for his own people to study.

Besides, even if Tollan hadn't been destroyed, how could you Gate there then take a ship? You'd need to get the ship there in the first place.

[Omak]

The Nox did not share their technology with us as we were "very young" which was probably a nice way of saying primitive by comparison. The Tollan, being more advanced and able to prove it, would probably be able to demonstrate sufficient stargate knowledge. I think that the Nox would then step in and help.

I agree that there would be nothing left of Tollana after the Goa'uld attack, or we would have suffered already.

[Bogopimp]

yeah, they could give us some of them ion cannons for promethius. None of the other goald have the technology to defend against them. Anubis didnt share :)

I did a picture :)
http://www.sweeto.co.uk/promesthius.JPG

[SGSlugger]

Nice picture. ;)

We were gonna get them, but Anubis wiped them out before we could get the cannons. Installing them on the Promethous is an interesting idea.
Perhaps the Tollan knew that they were going to be destroyed at the end eventually, and so the pulled an Ancient and built a respository?

Couldn't we send that supped-up cargo ship that they used in the LCII?

[Mr Prophet]

The Tollan, being more advanced and able to prove it, would probably be able to demonstrate sufficient stargate knowledge. I think that the Nox would then step in and help.

But I don't see why there should be any assumption that they had external help. Yes, they might have got Gate tech from the Nox, but why? Their science goes well beyond anything we - and by we I mean Sam - can even understand; they had a Stargate to study for centuries. Why then is there any need for an assumption that they would have learned to make a Stargate from the Nox?

Just for starters, surely the Stargate was built before Tollana got in touch with the Nox, so that the Tollan who lived with the Nox could get to Tollana in the first place.

[Andy867]

Actually, if you remember from Pretense, Narim noted that the Nox and the Tollans devised a way to get them to their planet and then they asked Narim about the stargate, and they said they built it, and thats when Daniel said: Way smarter than us" and Jack said: Ours is bigger.

[Bogopimp]

yeah, but they learned how to do it from the origonal gates :) tbh all the timelines in SG1 suck! the tollan are humans but are way more advanced than us because they didnt suffer the dark ages, a period of mere 800 years. The goald have had big intersteller ships for thousands of years but can get pwn'd by the tollan, until recently. The only decent bit really is the asgard, who seems to be really old, but have way good technology. There a pretty level race i tihnk, know what there on about do the asgard!

Maybe when the goald took the tollan, they stole all the sceintists and clever people, and left all the others to preach the bible :P (no offence meant :))

[Andy867]

But you forget that the Tollans are not a war-like race. They havent been in a war for centuries, because of what happened back on their original planet. So because they aren't a military strategicly thinking race, they can't plan self-defense other than the few ION cannons on their planet. Once those are taken out, they have no defense.

[Jag]

Just for starters, surely the Stargate was built before Tollana got in touch with the Nox, so that the Tollan who lived with the Nox could get to Tollana in the first place.

Nope.

On the original home world "Tollan" their stargate was buried under tons of lava. SG-1 rescue the remaining Tollan just before the gate was covered. They then used a long range communication device to contact the Nox. Who then came thru SGC's gate and the Tollan went with them. That is the last you see of the Tollan until Pretense. In that episode, Daniel asked where their stargate came from since "Tollana" did not have one. Narim replies "we had a little help from the nox."

Which could mean anything. If you ask me the nox do have the technology and knowledge of the ancients. Did you see the floating city? Not to mention their mental abilities.

[Albion]

I've always enjoyed the episodes concerning the Tollan and since BTF left things pretty much open-ended (although tending towards the pessimistic side of things), I agree with others on this thread that it would be nice to see some more of them and perhaps resolve some issues.

Albion :)