Who's skull was that that Rush was holding?

[Alarria]

Was it his own, from a previous leap back through the unstable wormhole? Was a very interesting part that didn't get a lot of attention. If it was about 12 hours between finding the kino and the next loop with the solar flare, how did whoever it belonged to's body decay so fast? Did those creatures eat it?

[Replicator Todd]

I think it was Rush's own skull, either eaten or a victim of several years of decay.

[starlite07]

I was assuming that it's Rush's too. It has to be unless there are other humans there. I'm not sure about how fast it can decay though. They found it in the same spot, near the gate as well. How far did he go back in the past? Is it 12 hours or several years?

[Lightning Ducj]

Yorick

[Gollumpus]

This is getting some discussion in the "Time" episode discussion. The general view is that it is Rush's skull, and that his going through the gate put him into the past (how far is unknown). It is also believed that he was then fed upon by the creatures which gave them a tolerance to the water toxins which were later usable by the crew in some future sequence.

regards,
G.

[jds1982]

I think it was Rush's own skull, either eaten or a victim of several years of decay.

Maybe not even that. On a jungle planet like that, it might only have been weeks, or months.

[Gollumpus]

Yorick

What a head Rush...

regards,
G.

[KEK]

http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/albums/uni_season1/108-Time/screencaps/normal_sgu_108_0238.jpg

"To be, or not to be"

[Nightfighter89]

http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/albums/uni_season1/108-Time/screencaps/normal_sgu_108_0238.jpg

"To be, or not to be"

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

*throws tomatoes*

[Pharaoh Atem]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

*throws tomatoes*

shun

[neoprometheus]

I was assuming that it's Rush's too. It has to be unless there are other humans there. I'm not sure about how fast it can decay though. They found it in the same spot, near the gate as well. How far did he go back in the past? Is it 12 hours or several years?

I think it's 90% certain that it's Rush's skull. In the recording Scott said he would try and go through anyway, although I think the odds might be small.

Of course if he did make it through, then the odds would be 50/50 that the skull Rush picked up was his own.

[Mongoletsi]

Yorick
You knew him so well?

[Traxsys]

It was Rush's skull. If you remember they found the Kino near those human bones. In the recording they collected from that kino at the end you saw rush's dead body lying on the ground. I thought it was awesome that he was holding his own skull.

[Ann_Ominous]

http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/albums/uni_season1/108-Time/screencaps/normal_sgu_108_0238.jpg

"To be, or not to be"

I'm no forensic anthropologist, but the skull sure does seem to have Rush's nose.....

[Lightning Ducj]

You knew him so well?

I knew him, Horatio :)

[Count]

It's definitely rush's. They found the Kino in the exact position near Rush's corpse that "kinovision" showed the second alternate reality team. Rush went through, died, Scott chucked the Kino, landed next to rush where it was found later, I dont think scott made it through the gate, i think he got killed before he did, but we wont know cause the kino was gone by then.

[Sifr]

Actually in some cases, exposed to the elements a human can skeletise within a few days, and it given it's a hot and humid jungle and those creatures definitely have a voracious appetite... they probably ate Rush very quickly.

[Lightning Ducj]

I think it's possible it's Rush's but there were a lot of dead bodies there so it could be anybody's. Although it makes for nice effect that it would be his I don't think there's a way of knowing

[Blue Shadowdancer]

Yorick

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who said, "Alas, poor Yorrick!" out loud while watching that!

Or perhaps I was the only one who actually said it out loud :o:P

[AtlantisRules!!!]

When we see the Kino go through, you see Rush laying there, presumably killed by the force at which he was thrown out of the gate. It doesn't show how close the skull ws to the kino.. but I think it was Rush. That or there is another Rush running around on that planet :P

[Lightning Ducj]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who said, "Alas, poor Yorrick!" out loud while watching that!

Or perhaps I was the only one who actually said it out loud :o:P

I thought it as soon as I saw the previews :) but alas I did not say it verbally

[nemesis24]

This is getting some discussion in the "Time" episode discussion. The general view is that it is Rush's skull, and that his going through the gate put him into the past (how far is unknown). It is also believed that he was then fed upon by the creatures which gave them a tolerance to the water toxins which were later usable by the crew in some future sequence.

regards,
G.

That was my thinking as well, because we saw the skull of a human head so it must mean Rush was sent back quite far in the past - i dont know how long it takes for flesh to fully decompose but im guessing its around 20-50 years. Also would make sense that the creatures had a anti-body to this virus because they were subject to it a while back

[missmobius]

Yorick

stop it,, every thread I go into your posts keep cracking me up,, you're good, very good,

*calling Brad" "Hey Brad, I have someone you should consider casting and/or adding to your writing team, I think they would add much to your IMO less than stellar ensemble." :)

P.S. your reference to Dallas in the other thread had me laughing so hard I had to run to the bathroom ROTFLMAO.

[stargateman26]

in my mind it would be rush's because he jumps through the gate and lands right where he lands

[jds1982]

That was my thinking as well, because we saw the skull of a human head so it must mean Rush was sent back quite far in the past - i dont know how long it takes for flesh to fully decompose but im guessing its around 20-50 years. Also would make sense that the creatures had a anti-body to this virus because they were subject to it a while back

Not nearly that long. Considering they were in a hot and humid jungle, with obvious predators and most likely insects, I'd give em maybe a month to a month and a half.

[Ann_Ominous]

That was my thinking as well, because we saw the skull of a human head so it must mean Rush was sent back quite far in the past - i dont know how long it takes for flesh to fully decompose but im guessing its around 20-50 years. Also would make sense that the creatures had a anti-body to this virus because they were subject to it a while back
Nope, not that long on a jungle planet. You must watch more episodes of Forensic Files and the New Detectives along with all three versions of CSI (ok, you can skip Miami).

The creatures did not have an anti-body to this virus. First of all, it wasn't a virus. It was some type of micro organism like a bacteria. Viruses don't get as big as what they showed nor do they look like that. Anyway, it was a micro organism that the creature's venom would kill because the venom was a poison. Furthermore, there is absolutely no evidence as to whether or not the micro organism would make the creatures sick in the first place so that they would make anti-bodies. It is never even established if these creatures are mammals, reptiles, amphibians or insects. That makes a big difference. Micro-organisms usually get species specific or pretty close to it. I can't think of any known micro-organism that affects both insects and humans on this planet. Note: mosquitoes carry lots of human diseases but are never effected by them and don't have anti-bodies for them otherwise we should be able to cure all those diseases the same way people are wanting the creatures to have cured the Destiny crew. Same goes for ticks and fleas, etc.

[Joben]

Not nearly that long. Considering they were in a hot and humid jungle, with obvious predators and most likely insects, I'd give em maybe a month to a month and a half.

We can't tell and it makes no difference. The only things we have to say there was a passage of time include a Kino without power and a human skeleton.

It could be anywhere from say a month to several decades, who knows how long a Kino's power lasts.

[Ann_Ominous]

We can't tell and it makes no difference. The only things we have to say there was a passage of time include a Kino without power and a human skeleton.

It could be anywhere from say a month to several decades, who knows how long a Kino's power lasts.

Yea, it does. If it was long enough like hundreds of thousands of years or more then the skeleton would of had to of become fosilized in order to still be there. Jungle enviroments aren't generally that good for fosilization unless it gets really buried deep somehow. Skeletons not buried deep tend to get scattered, too, and fairly quickly.

But to an extent it is a detail that looking into is more of an intelectual exercise and an attempt to find a plot hole.

[Joben]

Yea, it does. If it was long enough like hundreds of thousands of years or more then the skeleton would of had to of become fosilized in order to still be there. Jungle enviroments aren't generally that good for fosilization unless it gets really buried deep somehow. Skeletons not buried deep tend to get scattered, too, and fairly quickly.

But to an extent it is a detail that looking into is more of an intelectual exercise and an attempt to find a plot hole.

But I mean, in the end, they haven't specified how long the skeleton was there in years on the show so there could be no plot hole anyway.

It could have been there a month. It could have been there a hundred years. It's sort of up to the viewer, and like I said, in the end it really makes no difference, especially to the plot.

[Captain Obvious]

When we see the Kino go through, you see Rush laying there, presumably killed by the force at which he was thrown out of the gate. It doesn't show how close the skull ws to the kino.. but I think it was Rush. That or there is another Rush running around on that planet :P

as far as we know, the kino scott threw in nailed Rush in the past on the back of the neck, killing him death with one shot.

would that be one helluva deleted scene or what?

[Ann_Ominous]

as far as we know, the kino scott threw in nailed Rush in the past on the back of the neck, killing him death with one shot.

would that be one helluva deleted scene or what?

Wasn't Rush lying face down with his eyes open? And how did they find the skull? Was it face down or up?

[Eternal Density]

It is never even established if these creatures are mammals, reptiles, amphibians or insectsOr cephalopods.

[Ann_Ominous]

Or cephalopods.

Yea, I did kinda leave out everything that on Earth just lives in the water....

I've got it - they are land sharks!!! That shriek is actually translated from their language as "Candygram!!" ;)

[Alan Wake]

Through hours of constant thinking, and rewatching this episode over 9 times... I've come to the conclusion that the skull is of Furling origin.

The truth is out there folks...

Don't get me started on the pod from the pilot... I'm convinced the Furlings are involved in that too.

[Ann_Ominous]

[QUOTE=Alan Wake;10846790]Through hours of constant thinking, and rewatching this episode over 9 times... I've come to the conclusion that the skull is of Furling origin.

The truth is out there folks...

So the Furlings have noses just like Rush's???

[Alan Wake]

So the Furlings have noses just like Rush's???

Yes. That's the only logical explanation.

[Neon Tiger]

You knew him so well?
No, just well.

[Phantom6]

I was assuming that it's Rush's too. It has to be unless there are other humans there. I'm not sure about how fast it can decay though. They found it in the same spot, near the gate as well. How far did he go back in the past? Is it 12 hours or several years?

Given the jungle environment and the near on the hour rain, It could have been as little as ten months.

[henty]

http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/albums/uni_season1/108-Time/screencaps/normal_sgu_108_0238.jpg

"To be, or not to be"

ROFL, I was looking for this picture through google and end up here (again)
because I wanted to post it to our czech forum and write EXACTLY same quote you wrote :D

[Cold Fuzz]

http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/albums/uni_season1/108-Time/screencaps/normal_sgu_108_0238.jpg

"To be, or not to be"

Either he was thinking good ol' Hamlet or, "I definitely needed more fiber in my diet."

[aarlin81]

I think it's possible it's Rush's but there were a lot of dead bodies there so it could be anybody's. Although it makes for nice effect that it would be his I don't think there's a way of knowing

There would be no other bodies. The only constant and carry over in the time lines would be Rush's body. That is until the events depicted in the final scenes. Rush was not part of the last team sent to the planet. Nothing else went through the unstable wormhole except except the Kino Scott through. So in the NEW time line they should only find the Kino; no remains. Also all the recordings from the first damaged Kino (like the alien bursting out of Chloe's back) as well as all of Eli's character development never happens. All they have now is the summarized information from Scott.


[QUOTE=Alan Wake;10846790]Through hours of constant thinking, and rewatching this episode over 9 times... I've come to the conclusion that the skull is of Furling origin.

The truth is out there folks...

So the Furlings have noses just like Rush's???

Skulls don't have noses.

[akren]

Either he was thinking good ol' Hamlet or, "I definitely needed more fiber in my diet."

:lol:

[Ancient Lantean]

Could someone please clarify for me whether the skull scene was in the episode?
Because my memory seems to have failed me....again

[Quadhelix]

It is also believed that he was then fed upon by the creatures which gave them a tolerance to the water toxins which were later usable by the crew in some future sequence.

Also would make sense that the creatures had a anti-body to this virus because they were subject to it a while back
This is wrong, on multiple counts.

Firstly, and foremost, is the fact that the creatures were able to cure the disease in the timeline in which they had never before been exposed to it: in the original Kino-recording, there was no sign of human remains on the planet, and yet the creature's bite was able to cure Scott of the illness. Therefore, quite self-evidently, the curative properties of the bite did not come from previous exposure to the illness.

Secondly, it is mentioned in the episode itself that the venoms of many terrestrial creatures could, potential be used as an antibiotic. Antibiotics are chemicals that can, through one method or another, kill one or more types of infectious organism. In this case, there is no reason to think that that is not exactly the case: the creatures venom is toxic both to humans and to the infectious organisms from the ice planet.

[natyanayaki]

Actually in some cases, exposed to the elements a human can skeletise within a few days, and it given it's a hot and humid jungle and those creatures definitely have a voracious appetite... they probably ate Rush very quickly.

Except, from what we saw of those animals, they weren't killing to eat, they were killing either out of territorial-ism or fear. I don't recall seeing an indication that they thought of the humans as food.

[Tanie]

It could very well have been Matt's. The last time we saw him was at the base of the ramp to the 'gate... could be...

[mrwebber35]

I don't believe there was a follow up on this episode because the message sent to the past was a warning to not go to this planet. What about the virus that came from the ice planet? Wasn't the antidote supposed to be from those killer creatures or something else on Rush's skull world?

[RepliVeggie]

Pretty sure it is several years. The Kino was full and I assume they can hold immense volumes of information.

[Pharaoh Atem]

walters

:cool:

[mrwebber35]

The second timeline is where some go back to the planet to try and get the antidote to the plague and Rush picks up the skull. The skull could be Rush's or another crew members from the first time line (shown on the original Kino). This is because of the time paradoxical results from the Kino video having to exist for the second time line visit to the planet to occur. The first second and third time lines are all viable timelines if a blood sample from Scott is placed in the Kino and analized in the third timeline. The cure is derived from this before anyone even goes to the planet (if the Kino go back in time far enough caused by solar flare interference on the wormhole) so no one has to die nor even return to the jungle planet. The first visit had to happen to get video and for all to die (create a skull) to warn the crew of the dangers of the jungle planet. The second time line visit had to happen to get the video of Scott telling of the cure and sending his blood sample back in time to the third time line. Perhaps if the third timeline becomes the only timeline that occurs because no one has to visit the planet because the second Kino supplies the antidote and the video exlaination. Only the Kinos from timeline one and two exist with Scott's blood sample and the skull bones on the planet. These things just exist with out the events actually occuring... maybe...

[Meshakhad]

It's Jimmy Hoffa's.

[Pharaoh Atem]

his own. which is creepy.

[rushy]

Well, the first team didn't find the skull so it had to be either Scott or Rush, presumably Rush.