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    Spencer's attitude and treatment

    Anyone else think it was a little odd that he got off with a proverbial slap on the wrist? If I was commanding a situation like that, stealing water and food would be call for summary execution.

    Hell, in most martial law situations looting and stealing are met with deadly force, yet he got yelled at and locked up for all of 6 hours. Coupled with the fact that he already had to be dealt with during the shuttle incident, and Young is showing VERY poor leadership keeping him around.

    He may have mental illness issues (we saw him taking medication, which is going to suck when he runs out) but he is still a soldier and should be held to higher standards in this situation.

    We can all see the mutiny or murders coming, so why can't Young?

    #2
    Well, shooting one of your men might instigate some of the others to rebel, more than anything else.
    Maybe reduced rations for a while and confinement to quarters for a few weeks, but that's it.

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      #3
      Originally posted by reddevil18 View Post
      Well, shooting one of your men might instigate some of the others to rebel, more than anything else.
      Maybe reduced rations for a while and confinement to quarters for a few weeks, but that's it.
      Actually, it wouldn't, if anything has been learned about desperate situations, it is the need to maintain discipline. There is a reason why all militaries (including our own) utilize execution as a threat in the face of disobedience and mutiny in a wartime situation. Knowing you will be shot if you steal food will definitely make you think twice about it.

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        #4
        He's a bad leader because he won't murder one of his men for stealing food? Yeah, that's reasonable

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          #5
          First, he was busted by Greer, who

          Spoiler:
          we've already seen pocketing some of the Powerbars in Air


          Second, even though they could be considered to be currently under martial law, they seem to be attempting to move toward a more fair power structure. If Spencer would have been summarily executed, that would make tensions rise off the charts and make a mutiny almost a sure thing.

          Granted, Spencer is not a main character, yet he's a little more than a redshirt. I think Young or Scott should take him on a future offship mission, maybe we could learn more about his apparent psychological problems.
          Last edited by Jeff-B; 31 October 2009, 10:11 AM.

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            #6
            Since when did the US army start shooting soldiers for stealing things?

            Seriously? Do you even think before you type?
            These are the wrong people... in the wrong place.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Jeff-B View Post
              First, he was busted by Greer, who

              Spoiler:
              we've already seen pocketing some of the Powerbars in Air


              Second, even though they could be considered to be currently under martial law, they seem to be attempting to move toward a more fair power structure. If Spencer would have been summarily executed, that would make tensions rise off the charts and make a mutiny almost a sure thing.
              How can there be a fair power structure on a military expedition? Are they going to setup a democracy? I can't see Young giving up authority any time soon.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Detox View Post
                Since when did the US army start shooting soldiers for stealing things?

                Seriously? Do you even think before you type?
                Martial law situations allow for the use of summary execution as a punishment to preserve order. It is not prohibited under the Geneva convention when used in such a manner.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Descended View Post
                  Martial law situations allow for the use of summary execution as a punishment to preserve order. It is not prohibited under the Geneva convention when used in such a manner.
                  They're not in a martial law situation.

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                    #10
                    This isn't a typical military expedition. Most there are actually civilian. If you don't want a mutiny on your hand, you don't go around shooting people simply because they've hidden away some food and water.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by reddevil18 View Post
                      This isn't a typical military expedition. Most there are actually civilian. If you don't want a mutiny on your hand, you don't go around shooting people simply because they've hidden away some food and water.
                      Simply? In such a situation when everything is being rationed harshly that was a major crime. This isn't hiding a dinner roll or something. He had enough food there to keep several people alive for a long time.

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                        #12
                        Young needs all the people he can get. This unplanned expedition is on there own and the more people you have could and will make the difference. Also, like others have said, Young doesn't want to create the thought of 'rebellion' in other people's minds.

                        It's a tough position for Young and we can see that it is getting to him.

                        There are no regrets. Thank you Brad Wright and everyone else for SGU,
                        and the amazing Stargate franchise in general.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Descended View Post
                          Martial law situations allow for the use of summary execution as a punishment to preserve order. It is not prohibited under the Geneva convention when used in such a manner.
                          Martial law (which this isn't) still requires a trial before punishment. Yes you can shoot looters to stop them, but not to punish them.

                          The Geneva convention applies to enemy combatants, not your own troops. And if it did apply it forbids execution of prisoners.

                          I agree Spencer should have been kept in detention longer, but Young doesn't have the authority to execute people. That would require a court martial. Young can take limited amounts of rank, pay and freedom.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Descended View Post
                            Simply? In such a situation when everything is being rationed harshly that was a major crime. This isn't hiding a dinner roll or something. He had enough food there to keep several people alive for a long time.
                            Yeah...Okay...Whatever you say...

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Descended View Post
                              How can there be a fair power structure on a military expedition? Are they going to setup a democracy? I can't see Young giving up authority any time soon.
                              I may have mistyped something, but this was intended to be a scientific and military expedition. The power structure on Atlantis wasn't exactly a democracy, yet it managed to be pretty fair.

                              Spoiler:
                              Even when threatened with imminent death and destruction, Weir still had many misgivings about sending Ronon in to question Kavanaugh.

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