Eli and Scott

[arrakis44]

"Don't worry, you'll run out of air long before we leave you behind."

Just two episodes ago that line would have had a very different tone to it. Am I the only one that detected a hint of menace in there? It's interesting because initially it looked like Scott and Eli were going to be buddies, but with the Chloe situation (which seems to be continuing in this ep) things have changed.

[Lord Kira]

I got that vibe too. I laughed out loud when Eli said that,

[Captain Obvious]

I think eli is doing his best to get barbs at the expense of scott in his own way.

[arrakis44]

I think eli is doing his best to get barbs at the expense of scott in his own way.

Yeah, that's exactly the feeling I got too.

[Replicator Todd]

I liked it, shows the fun Eli can have because he is a civilian.

[aream2000]

part of me wished scott wouldn't survive the episode
i think they showed in this episode how jealous math boy is of scott

[arrakis44]

I liked it, shows the fun Eli can have because he is a civilian.

Agree, I laughed. It kinda reminded me of Sheppard's sense of humor a little bit. Pretty dry and subtle, good stuff.

[Sonicbluemustang]

but with the Chloe situation (which seems to be continuing in this ep) things have changed.


That other chick sure aint happy about the chloe pork thing. :)

[JackO'Neill]

I wonder how long it will be before Eli goes off world again & Scott's life depends on Eli & Eli (gasps) hesitates to save Scott's life. You know that's coming

[arrakis44]

That other chick sure aint happy about the chloe pork thing. :)

The tension in those scenes was really well done. I loved the part where James walked in on Scott and Chloe, very well played all round IMO.

[Ouroboros]

The funny thing is I don't think Scott picked up on it. He thought he was just joking and/or seemed just mostly confused by the remark. The guy is just such a classic oblivious douche, turning his radio off when he's presumably on duty to go make out with his little sweetie to.

He makes Sheppard look professional.

[Landers]

I wonder how long it will be before Eli goes off world again & Scott's life depends on Eli & Eli (gasps) hesitates to save Scott's life. You know that's coming

Scott needs to start saving some lives. Greer had to save him in AIR, and Young had to save him tonight. Maybe he should leave his radio on, zip his pants, and do something besides bagging girls.

I too wish he had remained stuck in that crack.

[Pharaoh Atem]

Agree, I laughed. It kinda reminded me of Sheppard's sense of humor a little bit. Pretty dry and subtle, good stuff.

and as david blue is a fan of the franchise he can call back stuff like that and sell it

[the fifth man]

The funny thing is I don't think Scott picked up on it. He thought he was just joking and/or seemed just mostly confused by the remark. The guy is just such a classic oblivious douche, turning his radio off when he's presumably on duty to go make out with his little sweetie to.

He makes Sheppard look professional.

In terms of him actually shutting off his radio, I agree. Sheppard would have left his on.;)

[dahok]

The funny thing is I don't think Scott picked up on it. He thought he was just joking and/or seemed just mostly confused by the remark. The guy is just such a classic oblivious douche, turning his radio off when he's presumably on duty to go make out with his little sweetie to.

He makes Sheppard look professional.

I agree, cannot stand this main character. I'll just throw a fit if they kill off James so Scott can go around freely shacking up with everything in sight. Eli once again salvages a rather dull, predictable, and slow episode. Scott isn't bright enough to read between the lines, he wouldn't sense the jealousy unless it violated him in a supply closet.

SGU reminds me of season two of Terminator. So uneventful, focusing on boring characters, and plodding along right to cancellation.

[MattSilver 3k]

In terms of him actually shutting off his radio, I agree. Sheppard would have left his on.;)

Sheppard would've broadcast it all to Rodney's lab or something.

"Hey, is that one of my scientists?"

;)

[kennythewraith]

i think that scott is a good character and eventually the sleeping around will stop as part of his character devolopment.besides i think eli will get over his jealosy eventually and hopefully him and scott can go back to becoming buddies cuz they seemed to have good chemistry in Air so i hope this love triangle doesnt go too far

[Radahldo]

I agree, cannot stand this main character. I'll just throw a fit if they kill off James so Scott can go around freely shacking up with everything in sight. Eli once again salvages a rather dull, predictable, and slow episode. Scott isn't bright enough to read between the lines, he wouldn't sense the jealousy unless it violated him in a supply closet.




Why is it a slight to Scott's perception? While we as viewers are very aware-- in the narrative, who cares what Eli's personal feelings are; Scott had sex with Chole; If Eli considers that some sorta offense, does it really matter? Scott's trying to be responsible. He doesnt need to acknowledge that immaturity.

[Ouroboros]

I like how he just didn't say anything at all to James either. Like nothing even needed to be said "yeah I was screwing you but now I've found a younger one so I'm screwing her, duh" like it's just another day in the life.

He was a tool before, he graduated to toolbag in this episode and he's definitely got a shot at toolshed before the end of the season.

[SupremeLegate]

The tension in those scenes was really well done. I loved the part where James walked in on Scott and Chloe, very well played all round IMO.

WAIT? What scene are you talking about? I did not see that scene?

I have to watch it on demand, and I think it lost like 10 mintues.

[dahok]

Scott's trying to be responsible. He doesnt need to acknowledge that immaturity.

What?

He's turning off his radio for his Chloe sessions while on duty, having to send other personnel to track him down. Previously he'd just ignore it, until Young starting demanding he show up. Can't have the Colonel killing the mood, ya know.

[Sifr]

I like how he just didn't say anything at all to James either. Like nothing even needed to be said "yeah I was screwing you but now I've found a younger one so I'm screwing her, duh" like it's just another day in the life.

He was a tool before, he graduated to toolbag in this episode and he's definitely got a shot at toolshed before the end of the season.

Yeah, he did look painfully confused why she was looking so damn upset, I'm sure he think he's Bond and the chick he's with will be completely forgotten about by Act 2.

If we get into Season Two, he will be Tim the Toolman Taylor...

[Ouroboros]

What?

He's turning off his radio for his Chloe sessions while on duty, having to send other personnel to track him down. Previously he'd just ignore it, until Young starting demanding he show up. Can't have the Colonel killing the mood, ya know.

It was the same exact stunt he pulled on the base when his superiors were looking for him. At least that time he did actually leave it on so if someone did start screaming "by god it's raining nukes and Kull warriors outside!" at least he could have heard it between grunts.

Now he's billions of light years from home and one of a few skilled and essential people on a broke down ship that could fall apart at any moment, and he's actually behaving more carelessly than when he was babysitting an SGC science project.

Is there anything actually likable about his character or are we as the viewing audience just supposed to dislike him as part of the story?

Hopefully he'll be the one who kills himself.

[jcoy]

The funny thing is I don't think Scott picked up on it. He thought he was just joking and/or seemed just mostly confused by the remark. The guy is just such a classic oblivious douche, turning his radio off when he's presumably on duty to go make out with his little sweetie to.

He makes Sheppard look professional.

I think they had different ideas about what was going on in that broom closet. Scott thought it was just sex and James thought it was a secret relationship.

Eli and James need to talk. A little Scott bashing would make them both feel better. And maybe their mutual dislike for Scott could grow in to something more, kind of a Zoe/Wash thing (Firefly reference). Although too many relationships on the show and it will start to feel like 90210 or the younger edgier versions of SG-1 in "200".

"Dude that hot chick was so totally a Go'ould."
"Duh, I was still going to tap that."

[Ouroboros]

I think they had different ideas about what was going on in that broom closet. Scott thought it was just sex and James thought it was a secret relationship.

The way she calls him on it directly and he just ignores her does give the "I was just using you for sex" sort of vibe and with a rather nasty sort of bent to it to.

I don't know what he's thinking though. Even a shallow "playboy" type douche should be able to recognize that trading James for Chloe isn't exactly a step up, unless he was just intending to keep both of them a secret from one another and just screwed it up.

I guess we can add just plain dumb to his list of character traits.

I can't wait till he "not cheats" on precious little Chloe though. She seems quite infatuated with him now.


Eli and James need to talk. A little Scott bashing would make them both feel better. And maybe their mutual dislike for Scott could grow in to something more, kind of a Zoe/Wash thing (Firefly reference). Although too many relationships on the show and it will start to feel like 90210 or the younger edgier versions of SG-1 in "200".

"Dude that hot chick was so totally a Go'ould."
"Duh, I was still going to tap that."

I really don't want it to become a "relationship show". That's basically entirely what dragged down BSGs third season, and it had much more endearing characters to work something like that around. I know they're borrowing a lot from that show but they don't need to borrow it's blunders to.

[thedrumm3rguy]

I too wish he had remained stuck in that crack.

well he sure doesn't seem have troubling finding cracks to get stuck in ;)

*and for the obtuse no, that's not a geological reference :P

[Eclectic_Voyeur]

He makes Sheppard look professional.

Word.

[wargrafix]

Scott is a pussbag. And useless as this episode clearly illustrated.

[Radahldo]

It was the same exact stunt he pulled on the base when his superiors were looking for him. At least that time he did actually leave it on so if someone did start screaming "by god it's raining nukes and Kull warriors outside!" at least he could have heard it between grunts.



.. Vanessa was occupied and did not want to stop, either. That sex scene is so overrated, in my opinion.
Although it was specifically Scott and not Vanessa was the one being called out to by Young, you guys still to an unreasonable extent make it seem as though it were singularly Scott's passions that delayed the response. She was not inclined to stop.
But yes, I agree it's not that mature to put yourself in that situation at all.



It was the same exact stunt he pulled on the

Is there anything actually likable about his character or are we as the viewing audience just supposed to dislike him as part of the story?

Hopefully he'll be the one who kills himself.


Well, I've found qualities I like about him. I am not sure what would impede you guys from finding something to like about him.

[Encoder]

Things have definitely changed, but the problem is, Scott isn't going to know about it until Eli does something a bit harsher than that.

I thought when Scott and Chloe came in last episode to that get together where Eli was talking about recording something on the Kino, and Eli goes, "Oh, I thought you'd be busy", I thought that was more of a dig than anything.

:sheppard:

[Sonicbluemustang]

WAIT? What scene are you talking about? I did not see that scene?

I have to watch it on demand, and I think it lost like 10 mintues.

and to think ppl pay for that On Demand. :)

[meo3000]

Scott is getting worse with each episode. At least TPTB made an effort to show us different sides of the other characters, him, only one side and it sucks.

Hes no O'neill, hes no Sheppard and hes certainly no Kirk, if anything hes a Zaphod Beeblebrox, saves the day without knowing how but not really, only goal in life is getting laid and taking care of himself with no regard of the consequences, even if it means destroying a planet with billions of people on it.
Well hes not there yet but hes on his way. At least Zaphod is funny.

[MattSilver 3k]

Scott is getting worse with each episode. At least TPTB made an effort to show us different sides of the other characters, him, only one side and it sucks.

Hes no O'neill, hes no Sheppard and hes certainly no Kirk, if anything hes a Zaphod Beeblebrox, saves the day without knowing how but not really, only goal in life is getting laid and taking care of himself with no regard of the consequences, even if it means destroying a planet with billions of people on it.
Well hes not there yet but hes on his way. At least Zaphod is funny.

Buzz. Wrong.

The guy is more than the walking penis you'all are making him out to be. His "one-side" where he has sex lots doesn't explain his religious faith, his loyalty to Young and his potential for leadership, demonstrated in the Air episodes.

[Encoder]

Buzz. Wrong.

The guy is more than the walking penis you'all are making him out to be. His "one-side" where he has sex lots doesn't explain his religious faith, his loyalty to Young and his potential for leadership, demonstrated in the Air episodes.

He certainly has the makings of a great soldier, we just need to see it shine thru. I'm pretty sure this will happen in the next few episodes!

:sheppard:

[Sifr]

I find it amusing that he's supposed to be "Jack O'Neill... ten years ago"

Thats funny... cause ten years ago, we actually liked Jack O'Neill. The dude was extremely funny and likable.

So was John Shepherd, and even he when had the odd Kirk moment, he still managed to be an funny and offbeat kinda guy that was great to watch.

But the real thing I have to wonder is, the the guy who plays Scott said that this ep is supposed to be "Scott at his best".

Erm... what?

He completely hurt one woman, turned his radio to make out with another, then fell down a hole...?

Its not his fault to be honest, I think the writers think he's Jack O'Neill or John Shepherd!

I'm afraid he's Aiden Ford :ford:

[thekillman]

the way Eli looked, told me he wasnt very friendly

[Lost]

I was hoping Scott would die. Is that bad?

Why does the sandman like him?

Is the sandman Jesus or something?

Why does sandman approve of his constant extreme horniness?

[Rosehawk]

I don't know what he's thinking though. Even a shallow "playboy" type douche should be able to recognize that trading James for Chloe isn't exactly a step up, unless he was just intending to keep both of them a secret from one another and just screwed it up.
Remember, He and Chloe share a tight emotional bond. He shared a big part of his past with her to help her cope with her Dad's death. They are standed amd scared about what is going to happen to them. Don't underestimated what those kind of strong emotional attachment can do to people and the unions it can form. It's why James doesn't stand a chance other than as a quickie wih Scott and it's the reason why Eli doesn't stand a chance with Chole right now.


I guess we can add just plain dumb to his list of character traits.
It's not dumb character traits. He's a flawed character that add's color to the storytelling. He's not going to be perfect.

I can't wait to see the blowup between Eli and Scott that eventually has to happen since neither can just walk away or hide. It's gonna be a duzie.

[Ouroboros]

.. Vanessa was occupied and did not want to stop, either. That sex scene is so overrated, in my opinion.
Although it was specifically Scott and not Vanessa was the one being called out to by Young, you guys still to an unreasonable extent make it seem as though it were singularly Scott's passions that delayed the response. She was not inclined to stop.
But yes, I agree it's not that mature to put yourself in that situation at all.

I've got to give James credit for getting her act together after they got stranded though. The sex on the clock at the base is one thing, and is pretty bad for both him and James, but here it's much much worse in a really laughable and pathetic sort of way. He's got nothing more important he could be doing with his duty time? In their situation there's nothing more important for him to be doing when he's at work than making out with his new girlfriend in a closet?


Well, I've found qualities I like about him. I am not sure what would impede you guys from finding something to like about him.

What qualities exactly, I'm genuinely curious. To me he just comes across as a fairly typical and forgettable "handsome young soldier" cliche with an overworked libido and a really questionable sense of professionalism.

Greer is much more interesting to me as a character, which is a shock because I expected to hate him, and actually did for the first few episodes.

[Mibi]

Scott is the type of guy who tormented Eli in High School. The both have a lot of growing-up to do. Scott needs additional lessons in appropriate behavior -- for a soldier and with women.

[wargrafix]

Thats the thing, greer's character grew while scott became more of a tool. He's not too bright.

[Rac80]

the bromance is over! :P

[wargrafix]

the bromance is over! :P

rofl. Quite true.

[missmobius]

I was hoping Scott would die. Is that bad?

Why does the sandman like him?

Is the sandman Jesus or something?

Why does sandman approve of his constant extreme horniness?

the sandman is the "devil/goa'uld" type evil alien character LOL and therefore enjoys Scott's sinful ways LOL

[JackO'Neill]

At first it looked like Eli & Scott could have been the Jack & Daniel of Universe but nooooooo

We get Rachel & Ross

[SupremeLegate]

Scott is the type of guy who tormented Eli in High School. The both have a lot of growing-up to do. Scott needs additional lessons in appropriate behavior -- for a soldier and with women.

That is actualy why I like the show, they are ALL messed up and they ALL have some growing to do.

[Kaiphantom]

Remember, He and Chloe share a tight emotional bond. He shared a big part of his past with her to help her cope with her Dad's death. They are standed amd scared about what is going to happen to them. Don't underestimated what those kind of strong emotional attachment can do to people and the unions it can form. It's why James doesn't stand a chance other than as a quickie wih Scott and it's the reason why Eli doesn't stand a chance with Chole right now.


It's not dumb character traits. He's a flawed character that add's color to the storytelling. He's not going to be perfect.

I can't wait to see the blowup between Eli and Scott that eventually has to happen since neither can just walk away or hide. It's gonna be a duzie.

Gonna have to strongly disagree. In his corner, Scott just had the one talk about her dad.

Eli has:
She was following him around the ship
He showed her the shower and then stood guard like a good guy
She called out for him when the light's went out
He gave her his blackberry for light, and then indulged her in staying longer when she whined for it
He took her to view the gas giant when she initially didn't want to go, but was clearly glad she did.
Even after she banged scott, he sat with her, holding her hand to keep her company

The scale is clearly lopsided, but Chloe is a stereotypical woman: she goes for the Alpha Male, and not the smart nerd that's doing more to save the people and the ship than Scott is, and doing more for her personally. But that's a stereotypical woman. She's got the nerd in her pocket without having to give it up to him, so she uses that to get the 2nd top dog in her pocket.

I can understand her looking out for herself, but I can also dislike her methods for doing so. Eli needs to stop indulging Chloe, and tell her that, if she has a problem, let Scott handle it for her. The worst thing a nerd can do is continue to let himself be used.

Even if you don't believe anything else I say, you at least have to agree there is no "tight emotional bond." At least, none that we've been shown.

As for something closer to the main topic, I don't think Eli will hesitate in doing something to let Scott die. He doesn't seem like that type of person. He's probably one of the most "good" people on the show, and if TPTB degrade him in that manner, they will have proven they don't understand nerds at all.

[Rosehawk]

Gonna have to strongly disagree. In his corner, Scott just had the one talk about her dad.
Through that one talk a strong emotional connection was made. You could see it on both of their faces. It can only take one situation, conversation to create a connection. These people are stranded and can't get home. They are scared. Chloe has the added emotional trama of just watching her father die, something she would not have been prepared for. Scott said the things that she needed to hear at that moment in time.

Once that conversation happened between Scott and Chloe, Eli didn't stand a chance with Chloe with anything other than a good friendship.


Eli has:
She was following him around the ship
He showed her the shower and then stood guard like a good guy
She called out for him when the light's went out
He gave her his blackberry for light, and then indulged her in staying longer when she whined for it
He took her to view the gas giant when she initially didn't want to go, but was clearly glad she did.
Even after she banged scott, he sat with her, holding her hand to keep her company
Following Eli around on the ship establishes a connection, yes but not necessarily a strong emotional one. So far we have not seen Chloe and Eli share alot of emotional stuff with each other.
I would not say him helping her with the shower, giving the blackberry for light would put that even close to the same emotional level as having someone open up about their pain and then tell you that they understand how you are feeling about the loss of your father. That is a strong emotional connection. Her and Eli have not had not gone there yet in their growing friendship/relationship.

As for the gas giant, Scott wasn't there, Eli is the only other person she is connected to, why wouldn't she go with him. Scott might have done the same thing if he had been there. They all thought they were going to die, why wouldn't Eli want her to see something beautiful before it happened. He is developing feelings for her and it is obvious he cares for her. He was also disappointed that others were there so who knows, he might have shared his feelings then but he didn't.



The scale is clearly lopsided, but Chloe is a stereotypical woman: she goes for the Alpha Male, and not the smart nerd that's doing more to save the people and the ship than Scott is, and doing more for her personally. But that's a stereotypical woman. She's got the nerd in her pocket without having to give it up to him, so she uses that to get the 2nd top dog in her pocket.
While I agree the scale is clearly lopsided, Chloe is far from a sterotypical woman -and just for the record, the majority of women do not go for the Alpha Male. Besides, the Alpha Male on the ship is Young as he is the leader, not Scott.
She connected with Scott through his emotional understanding of the pain that she was feeling at the moment. That is something that is very very powerful...to have someone connect with you at a time of vulnerability on a very personal level like that is very powerful.
Her and Eli have established a connection but it is developing as a friendship. Chloe is not yet aware that Eli is developing some feelings for her, so I don't see how she has the 'nerd in her pocket'. Her and Eli have not had the same powerful emotional connection that Chloe and Scott did.



I can understand her looking out for herself, but I can also dislike her methods for doing so. Eli needs to stop indulging Chloe, and tell her that, if she has a problem, let Scott handle it for her. The worst thing a nerd can do is continue to let himself be used.
At this point, Chloe is not aware of Eli's crush on her so how can she be using him? Using him implies intend and I sure don't see that here. Eli and Chloe developed a friendship which was established in the first episode. There is nothing wrong with that, however at some point Eli needs to tell Chloe his feelings, or Chloe needs to open up her eyes to see what is happening and they have to have a talk.
The worst thing anyone can do is to let themselves be used, Eli needs to say something to Chloe so they get it out in the open.



Even if you don't believe anything else I say, you at least have to agree there is no "tight emotional bond." At least, none that we've been shown.
I have to disagree as there has been a tight emotional bond created between Scott and Chloe and it has been shown when Scott told Chloe about his past and Chloe said she was sorry and then he told her that he understood how she felt.
I suspect though, anyone that hasn't been through an emotionally challenging time may not understand how these strong emotional connections can be created between two people.


As for something closer to the main topic, I don't think Eli will hesitate in doing something to let Scott die. He doesn't seem like that type of person. He's probably one of the most "good" people on the show, and if TPTB degrade him in that manner, they will have proven they don't understand nerds at all.
I agree. No matter how upset Eli may be or get with Scott, I don't think he would let Scott die. You can see how upset he gets with Rush's decisions on exceptable losses.

It will be interesting to see how Eli and Scott's relationship progress and I am waiting to see how the situation comes to a head. Scott is oblivous to Eli's feelings towards Chloe. Eli still has some growing up to do so there is bound to be some interesting conflict coming up between the two.

[Kaiphantom]

Through that one talk a strong emotional connection was made. You could see it on both of their faces. It can only take one situation, conversation to create a connection. These people are stranded and can't get home. They are scared. Chloe has the added emotional trama of just watching her father die, something she would not have been prepared for. Scott said the things that she needed to hear at that moment in time.

No, I can't "see it on their faces." You'll have to bring up something more concrete and less subjective to make a point. Chloe is overemotional as a stereotypical woman. As a counterpoint, I'll point out James as a woman, who has come off much much better.


Once that conversation happened between Scott and Chloe, Eli didn't stand a chance with Chloe with anything other than a good friendship.
I'll agree he doesn't stand a chance, but not because of that talk. It's because he's a nerd. You sound like you haven't been one, so you might not quite understand. As a nerd, I've had countless women pour their heart and soul out to me, about the guys they've gone for. I've been the comforting shoulder, in much the same way Scott was in that scene. But it's *impossible* to parlay any friendship like that into something more. The women, point-blank, come back with "I don't want to ruin our friendship" or "I don't see you as more than a friend and I'd rather go back to the guy who hurts me."

This is how the real world works. The shallow, stereotypical woman doesn't want a nerd; not when there is a more handsome guy she can get it on with. Chloe shows all the signs of a stereotypical woman, and Scott as a stereotypical man. Works on both sides of the fence.


Following Eli around on the ship establishes a connection, yes but not necessarily a strong emotional one. So far we have not seen Chloe and Eli share alot of emotional stuff with each other.
If she had a stronger connection with Scott, why wasn't she following him around on the ship? Answer: Eli knew where the showers were and how to use them...


I would not say him helping her with the shower, giving the blackberry for light would put that even close to the same emotional level as having someone open up about their pain and then tell you that they understand how you are feeling about the loss of your father. That is a strong emotional connection. Her and Eli have not had not gone there yet in their growing friendship/relationship.

I'm sorry, who exactly was she desperately crying out for, not once, but twice? Here's a hint: "Eli! Eli! ELI! Don't Leave me!" I would think, that if Scott had the better emotional bond, she would be crying out for him. And why Eli in particular? If the lights went out, and I was scared, I'd be calling out for anyone.


As for the gas giant, Scott wasn't there, Eli is the only other person she is connected to, why wouldn't she go with him. Scott might have done the same thing if he had been there. They all thought they were going to die, why wouldn't Eli want her to see something beautiful before it happened. He is developing feelings for her and it is obvious he cares for her. He was also disappointed that others were there so who knows, he might have shared his feelings then but he didn't.

"Scott might have done the same thing if he was there." So why didn't he? I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. I'm just pointing out something sweet that Eli did for her to showcase as yet *another* example of things Eli has done for her. Scott had a chance and didn't.

It really sounds like you're trying to play down the multitude of things Eli has done, while playing up the one thing Scott did. You can't do that; each thing has equal weight.


While I agree the scale is clearly lopsided, Chloe is far from a sterotypical woman -and just for the record, the majority of women do not go for the Alpha Male. Besides, the Alpha Male on the ship is Young as he is the leader, not Scott.

And you clearly recognize that things are clearly lopsided on Eli's side... so, yes, Chloe is a stereotypical woman. I think we may need to define this, because the popular and hot looking women in society either tend to go for the hot buff jocks rather than the smarter nerds. Yes, there are exceptions, but that's why they call it a stereotype. That's what a stereotype is: it's what we expect from a segment of a set. They are formed for a reason.

Why didn't she go with Young? He's older, injured, and she's already realized he's not that kind of guy. I admit, I actually would have found her character more appealing had she tried(it would have taken "balls" to try). She had a choice between Young and Scott, and decided on the latter because he was better looking and he had a much better chance of going along with it.


She connected with Scott through his emotional understanding of the pain that she was feeling at the moment. That is something that is very very powerful...to have someone connect with you at a time of vulnerability on a very personal level like that is very powerful.

Heh, speaking as a nerd who has done "connections" like this for many women.. it doesn't matter. It's not powerful at all; not when the woman just wants to vent. The only thing that matters with a stereotypical woman, is how popular and good-looking the guy is.


Her and Eli have established a connection but it is developing as a friendship. Chloe is not yet aware that Eli is developing some feelings for her, so I don't see how she has the 'nerd in her pocket'. Her and Eli have not had the same powerful emotional connection that Chloe and Scott did.

There was no way for her to know Scott had any feelings for her either. So, since she didn't, and realized she was gonna die, she went with the hot guy. Or, the only other theory, is that she went for one of the guys in power in the hopes of improving her station; this could have been subconscious.


At this point, Chloe is not aware of Eli's crush on her so how can she be using him? Using him implies intend and I sure don't see that here.
No, using does not imply intent. It can also be subconscious. Chloe could be either at this point. Look, this happens. It's real. Half the women I've come across don't even realize they do it. They only come to you when they want to cry on your shoulder, or they need you to fix something. They don't invite you to parties or outings, and when you ask, they are busy. It's just convenient to have a nerd in your pocket for when you need it.

That's not friendship. I've seen this over and over and over again, and Chloe screams this. There's a joke I mentioned before in a couple other threads: "How can you tell The Watchmen was science fiction? Because the hot chick jumped the nerdy guy."

To be fair, guys can do this, too, only wanting a particular woman for sex. It's also a stereotype, and I think Scott fits this bill, since he's already shown that sex can be just sex for him, due to the first episode and then his reaction to James when she came and got him.


The worst thing anyone can do is to let themselves be used, Eli needs to say something to Chloe so they get it out in the open.

This, I agree with. The problem is, most women I've attempted this with... well, it doesn't end well. She denies it, or gets upset that you would complain, like it's her doing you the favor. We have the term "doormat" for a reason. When I drop her, and tell her I'm busy for her problems, then I'm being a bad friend. When I talk in my blog how I've tried to tell her and she always seems busy and it makes me sad.. I get called passive-aggressive.

I don't see this ending well for Chloe and Eli. If he's smart, he'll drop her and let her solve her own problems. Maybe it'll force some character growth onto Chloe, and let her see what she's made for herself. The worst-case, she convinces him that he's special to her, and he gets enthralled and continues doing stuff like he did when he got her the first shower on the ship.


I have to disagree as there has been a tight emotional bond created between Scott and Chloe and it has been shown when Scott told Chloe about his past and Chloe said she was sorry and then he told her that he understood how she felt.

I would agree there would be some, but not a lot. It doesn't take much. See the scale of things more accurately works like this:

Scott has the one talk, he's a strong and good looking jock type, and he's second-in-command (and thus has some power). Eli has all that other stuff I mentioned before. Looking at it this way, it leans heavily in Scott's favor, in *her* mind. That's why she went to Scott. If she went to him solely because of one talk... well, that makes her even worse, because now she's just stupid.

"Hey mom and dad, I slept with a guy on the basis of one talk; ain't I smart girl?"


It will be interesting to see how Eli and Scott's relationship progress and I am waiting to see how the situation comes to a head. Scott is oblivous to Eli's feelings towards Chloe. Eli still has some growing up to do so there is bound to be some interesting conflict coming up between the two.

I agree, it will be interesting. She's got him to turn off his radio. I'm waiting for her to get pregnant (if Scott didn't get himself fixed sometime before.) Then having him drop her because he can't handle a kid. And she'll go crying to Eli again.

[Col.Foley]

I do not see anything really wrong with it. Scott and Eli I think are still friends...yes it sounded menacing, (and I think that was intentional) But really, Eli just likes poking Scott in the ribs as many times as possible to see how he will react:P

[SupremeLegate]

But really, Eli just likes poking Scott in the ribs as many times as possible to see how he will react:P

So far with a "I don't get it" look.

[Col.Foley]

So far with a "I don't get it" look.
huh:confused:

[SupremeLegate]

huh:confused:

Now that I think of it, I can't remember how he reacted to Eli's comment. Did he crack a smile or just stare blankly into space.

[Arjannl]

I wonder, when a friend in real life gets a new 'significant other', are people also meticulously researching the relationship? Why choose that guy or girl and not the other? Because you watched, and you really noticed that there were 4 bonding experiences with the other and only 2 with the new friend!

Perhaps there was just a spark between Matt and Chloe? You know, like ... in real life?

[Rosehawk]

No, I can't "see it on their faces." You'll have to bring up something more concrete and less subjective to make a point. Chloe is overemotional as a stereotypical woman. As a counterpoint, I'll point out James as a woman, who has come off much much better.
Ummm, the looks on their faces was subjective, can't get any more concrete than that and I don't have screen caps to analyize something that people would find subjective by nature.

James and Chloe is for another thread, though at this point in the show I don't see how James is any better of a woman than Chloe.


I'll agree he doesn't stand a chance, but not because of that talk. It's because he's a nerd.
Eli doesn't stand a chance, not because he is a nerd but because he and Chloe are not in the same social circle and because Chloe is physically attracted to Scott, not Eli.

Eli doesn't have a job, he quit school and was still living at home. Scott has a job and a job that Chloe understands as evident by her conversation with Greer when he was searching her quarters for stolen provisions and he apologized and she said she understood.


You sound like you haven't been one, so you might not quite understand.
Don't assume anything.


As a nerd, I've had countless women pour their heart and soul out to me, about the guys they've gone for. I've been the comforting shoulder, in much the same way Scott was in that scene. But it's *impossible* to parlay any friendship like that into something more. The women, point-blank, come back with "I don't want to ruin our friendship" or "I don't see you as more than a friend and I'd rather go back to the guy who hurts me."
In a typical pouring heart out for comfort I might agree with you on this but this isn't the typical pouring heart out and it definitely is not a one-sided conversation.

These people are stranded far away from home. They are struggling to stay alive. Chloe watched her father die. She is emotionally vulnerable. Scott opened up to her, he reached out to her, he shared a very personal part of himself which also made him vulnerable to her, he connected with her. They are both also attracted to each other in a physical way.


This is how the real world works. The shallow, stereotypical woman doesn't want a nerd; not when there is a more handsome guy she can get it on with. Chloe shows all the signs of a stereotypical woman, and Scott as a stereotypical man. Works on both sides of the fence.
No, the woman who typically is not a nerd does not typically want a nerd. As nothing to do with being shallow or sterotypical. If Chloe was a nerd, I am sure she would find Eli very attractive but she's not.


If she had a stronger connection with Scott, why wasn't she following him around on the ship? Answer: Eli knew where the showers were and how to use them...
She wasn't following Scott around because Scott had a job to do and she knows that. Eli on the other hand only worked when Rush or sometimes Young had something for him to do so basically Eli had more time on his hands than Scott.

And why wouldn't she ask the person who knew where the showers were and how to use them to show her. Seems the smart thing for anyone to do.


I'm sorry, who exactly was she desperately crying out for, not once, but twice? Here's a hint: "Eli! Eli! ELI! Don't Leave me!" I would think, that if Scott had the better emotional bond, she would be crying out for him. And why Eli in particular? If the lights went out, and I was scared, I'd be calling out for anyone.
Ummmm, maybe it's because Eli was the person who brought her to the showers and she knew he was close by and Scott wasn't.

If the lights went out and I was scared I would ask for the person that I knew was nearby as I know that person would most likely be the person coming back to get me. Why ask for someone who isn't there to come and help you?


"Scott might have done the same thing if he was there." So why didn't he? I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. I'm just pointing out something sweet that Eli did for her to showcase as yet *another* example of things Eli has done for her. Scott had a chance and didn't.
Scott wasn't even on the ship when they saw the gas giants. So he never had the chance and we don't know if he would have.
It was very sweet that Eli did that, yet Eli did have other motives as he was really disappointed that other people found the same observation point to watch the gas giant.


It really sounds like you're trying to play down the multitude of things Eli has done, while playing up the one thing Scott did. You can't do that; each thing has equal weight.
I am not trying to downplay anything...only to show a different viewpoint..


And you clearly recognize that things are clearly lopsided on Eli's side... so, yes, Chloe is a stereotypical woman. I think we may need to define this, because the popular and hot looking women in society either tend to go for the hot buff jocks rather than the smarter nerds. Yes, there are exceptions, but that's why they call it a stereotype. That's what a stereotype is: it's what we expect from a segment of a set. They are formed for a reason.

Sterotypical is really being overused. Sterotypes are just descriptions that people form to define or judge another group of people.

People are popular within their social groups so it really depends on your social group.

I know lots of popular and hot looking women that go for nerds because they are nerds themself. Physical characteristics are not limited by the type of person you are.


Why didn't she go with Young? He's older, injured, and she's already realized he's not that kind of guy. I admit, I actually would have found her character more appealing had she tried(it would have taken "balls" to try). She had a choice between Young and Scott, and decided on the latter because he was better looking and he had a much better chance of going along with it.
She didn't go with Young because she wasn't attracted to him. Young is still the alpha-male as he is the leader. I was just trying to point out that Scott was not the alpha-male as was made in an earlier post.
She choose Scott because she was attracted to him, not Young. There is no evidence at this point in the show to support her choosing Scott because he was better lookin and would go along with it.


Heh, speaking as a nerd who has done "connections" like this for many women.. it doesn't matter. It's not powerful at all; not when the woman just wants to vent. The only thing that matters with a stereotypical woman, is how popular and good-looking the guy is.
I would agree with you if this was a typical venting conversation, however this wasn't one of those types of conversations.

These people are far far away from home on a ship that they are struggling to survive on. People are scared and vulnerable. Chloe has watched her father die. Feelings and emotionas are high. The sense of vulnerablity on both sides goes along way with established connections and even more so when there is a physcial attraction along with that.


There was no way for her to know Scott had any feelings for her either. So, since she didn't, and realized she was gonna die, she went with the hot guy. Or, the only other theory, is that she went for one of the guys in power in the hopes of improving her station; this could have been subconscious.
She didn't know until he opened himself up to her, he reached out to her when she went to visit him. It could very easily have gone another direction. I would say that Scott and Chloe chose each other.


I don't see this ending well for Chloe and Eli. If he's smart, he'll drop her and let her solve her own problems. Maybe it'll force some character growth onto Chloe, and let her see what she's made for herself. The worst-case, she convinces him that he's special to her, and he gets enthralled and continues doing stuff like he did when he got her the first shower on the ship.
I see this as being a source of conflict for all three of them - Scott, Eli and Chloe. And the fact that they can't get away from each other means they will have to learn to deal with it somehow.

Hence, it will be very interesting to see where Scott and Eli's relationship goes as the show continues to develop.


I agree, it will be interesting. She's got him to turn off his radio. I'm waiting for her to get pregnant (if Scott didn't get himself fixed sometime before.) Then having him drop her because he can't handle a kid. And she'll go crying to Eli again.
If she gets hurt or upset with Scott, yes she will go to Eli as that is what most women do when they are upset...they go talk with a trusted friend. It's up to Eli to be honest with her and tell her how he feels. Yes he may get hurt but it is better than always wondering.

[Col.Foley]

Now that I think of it, I can't remember how he reacted to Eli's comment. Did he crack a smile or just stare blankly into space.
He sort of gave him...from what I remember a....sort of a nervous 'thanks a lot' look:p WHich he said the same thing as that too, if memory serves:p

[SupremeLegate]

Ummm, the looks on their faces was subjective, can't get any more concrete than that and I don't have screen caps to analyize something that people would find subjective by nature.

James and Chloe is for another thread, though at this point in the show I don't see how James is any better of a woman than Chloe.


Eli doesn't stand a chance, not because he is a nerd but because he and Chloe are not in the same social circle and because Chloe is physically attracted to Scott, not Eli.

Eli doesn't have a job, he quit school and was still living at home. Scott has a job and a job that Chloe understands as evident by her conversation with Greer when he was searching her quarters for stolen provisions and he apologized and she said she understood.


Don't assume anything.


In a typical pouring heart out for comfort I might agree with you on this but this isn't the typical pouring heart out and it definitely is not a one-sided conversation.

These people are stranded far away from home. They are struggling to stay alive. Chloe watched her father die. She is emotionally vulnerable. Scott opened up to her, he reached out to her, he shared a very personal part of himself which also made him vulnerable to her, he connected with her. They are both also attracted to each other in a physical way.


No, the woman who typically is not a nerd does not typically want a nerd. As nothing to do with being shallow or sterotypical. If Chloe was a nerd, I am sure she would find Eli very attractive but she's not.


She wasn't following Scott around because Scott had a job to do and she knows that. Eli on the other hand only worked when Rush or sometimes Young had something for him to do so basically Eli had more time on his hands than Scott.

And why wouldn't she ask the person who knew where the showers were and how to use them to show her. Seems the smart thing for anyone to do.


Ummmm, maybe it's because Eli was the person who brought her to the showers and she knew he was close by and Scott wasn't.

If the lights went out and I was scared I would ask for the person that I knew was nearby as I know that person would most likely be the person coming back to get me. Why ask for someone who isn't there to come and help you?


Scott wasn't even on the ship when they saw the gas giants. So he never had the chance and we don't know if he would have.
It was very sweet that Eli did that, yet Eli did have other motives as he was really disappointed that other people found the same observation point to watch the gas giant.


I am not trying to downplay anything...only to show a different viewpoint..



Sterotypical is really being overused. Sterotypes are just descriptions that people form to define or judge another group of people.

People are popular within their social groups so it really depends on your social group.

I know lots of popular and hot looking women that go for nerds because they are nerds themself. Physical characteristics are not limited by the type of person you are.


She didn't go with Young because she wasn't attracted to him. Young is still the alpha-male as he is the leader. I was just trying to point out that Scott was not the alpha-male as was made in an earlier post.
She choose Scott because she was attracted to him, not Young. There is no evidence at this point in the show to support her choosing Scott because he was better lookin and would go along with it.


I would agree with you if this was a typical venting conversation, however this wasn't one of those types of conversations.

These people are far far away from home on a ship that they are struggling to survive on. People are scared and vulnerable. Chloe has watched her father die. Feelings and emotionas are high. The sense of vulnerablity on both sides goes along way with established connections and even more so when there is a physcial attraction along with that.


She didn't know until he opened himself up to her, he reached out to her when she went to visit him. It could very easily have gone another direction. I would say that Scott and Chloe chose each other.


I see this as being a source of conflict for all three of them - Scott, Eli and Chloe. And the fact that they can't get away from each other means they will have to learn to deal with it somehow.

Hence, it will be very interesting to see where Scott and Eli's relationship goes as the show continues to develop.


If she gets hurt or upset with Scott, yes she will go to Eli as that is what most women do when they are upset...they go talk with a trusted friend. It's up to Eli to be honest with her and tell her how he feels. Yes he may get hurt but it is better than always wondering.

It is very simple why Chloe and Scott have gotten together and not Chloe and Eli, everything that Eli has done to show his feelings for Chloe has been subtle. And like most women Chloe interpreted those signs as just being a friend.

Now as for Scott, by opening up to her in her time of need she took the same attraction signals and interpreted them for what they were, and then in “Light” when she thought they were going to die she acted on that attraction.

So while the Chloe/Scott relationship is going on it will allow Eli the chance to grow as a character, and by the time the relationship is over he will be better able to express his feelings so that she knows.


Now in “Water” there was no real interaction between Eli/Chloe and Eli/Scott so I hope to see that in the next few episodes.



He sort of gave him...from what I remember a....sort of a nervous 'thanks a lot' look:p WHich he said the same thing as that too, if memory serves:p

Ah, then my comment is invalid...for the moment.

[arrakis44]

WAIT? What scene are you talking about? I did not see that scene?

I have to watch it on demand, and I think it lost like 10 mintues.

There were two scenes as I recall.
1)James walks in on Scott and Chloe having sex. Scott then pretty much ignores her while Chloe and James share something of an 'awkward moment.'

2)James goes to tell Chloe that Scott has gotten himself into another life threatening situation. There was a nice bit of tension in this scene, as it seemed James was rather uncomfortable around Chloe (for obvious reasons) but still wanted to do the right thing by letting her know what was going on.

Quick side note in regard to this situation. It seems to me that Chloe probably doesn't know anything about James and Scott. So from her perspective she is getting weird vibes from James and probably doesn't know why.

[arrakis44]

Just realized there is an entire thread on the James reaction to Scott and Chloe, oops.

[SGUfanatic]

As I posted in another thread, what is it truly about Scott that people dont like? Is it because he is good looking, an officer, got the girl (emotionally and physically), is doing the best he can in a situation he wasnt ready for? Remember, he was only out of officer training for Special Forces for like 6 months before Destiny, he's a smart guy and Young trusts him. The main thing is he is young, trying to do what is right for him and for everyone else. He may not do it the way we would, but cut him a little slack.

Eli is smart, good looking, wants the girl, doesnt deal well with some of the things he has to put up with (considering he is about the only true civilian on the ship, the others at least knew about Stargates), this may be his first love/crush and he is trying to handle it the best way he can. Eli showed in other episodes he isnt above doing some serious ribbing towards others, he and Scott get along however now with the added tension of unrequited interest with Chloe things will be strained.

Also as I noted in the other thread, please be aware that what you post (while you are entitled to your opinions) can and do have repercussions beyond here. I noted on Twitter that there were those that got very vicious toward Brian Jacob Smith over a CHARACTER he portrays.....come on please, remember it is a character not the real person. There are those that dont like Rush and have done the same, as well as to Chloe and Greer characters. Thanks for letting me voice MY opinion.

[Col.Foley]

It is very simple why Chloe and Scott have gotten together and not Chloe and Eli, everything that Eli has done to show his feelings for Chloe has been subtle. And like most women Chloe interpreted those signs as just being a friend.

Now as for Scott, by opening up to her in her time of need she took the same attraction signals and interpreted them for what they were, and then in “Light” when she thought they were going to die she acted on that attraction.

So while the Chloe/Scott relationship is going on it will allow Eli the chance to grow as a character, and by the time the relationship is over he will be better able to express his feelings so that she knows.


Now in “Water” there was no real interaction between Eli/Chloe and Eli/Scott so I hope to see that in the next few episodes.




Ah, then my comment is invalid...for the moment.
Meh Eli is just one big tease, and Scott does not know how to react to that quite yet because he is...obviously not used to it. So if anything that is where the nervousness comes in from around him...and also the uncertainty of their situation, like he is about to go through the wormhole to a very interesting situation and here Eli is joking about it!

[SupremeLegate]

As I posted in another thread, what is it truly about Scott that people dont like? Is it because he is good looking, an officer, got the girl (emotionally and physically), is doing the best he can in a situation he wasnt ready for? Remember, he was only out of officer training for Special Forces for like 6 months before Destiny, he's a smart guy and Young trusts him. The main thing is he is young, trying to do what is right for him and for everyone else. He may not do it the way we would, but cut him a little slack.

Eli is smart, good looking, wants the girl, doesnt deal well with some of the things he has to put up with (considering he is about the only true civilian on the ship, the others at least knew about Stargates), this may be his first love/crush and he is trying to handle it the best way he can. Eli showed in other episodes he isnt above doing some serious ribbing towards others, he and Scott get along however now with the added tension of unrequited interest with Chloe things will be strained.

Also as I noted in the other thread, please be aware that what you post (while you are entitled to your opinions) can and do have repercussions beyond here. I noted on Twitter that there were those that got very vicious toward Brian Jacob Smith over a CHARACTER he portrays.....come on please, remember it is a character not the real person. There are those that dont like Rush and have done the same, as well as to Chloe and Greer characters. Thanks for letting me voice MY opinion.

I freely admit that the only reason I don't like Scott is becuase he got the girl, but with that said I have nothing agianst Brian Jacob Smith. In fact, as I have stated, I view the whole Chloe/Scott relationship as a temporary situation.

I also should admit that in fact the whole reason I am so interested in the show now is becuase I want to see how this plays out, and see if it ends up where I want it to end up.

[ronin36]

"Don't worry, you'll run out of air long before we leave you behind."

Just two episodes ago that line would have had a very different tone to it. Am I the only one that detected a hint of menace in there? It's interesting because initially it looked like Scott and Eli were going to be buddies, but with the Chloe situation (which seems to be continuing in this ep) things have changed.

Personally, I didn't detect a single iota of malice in Eli's statement.

I think, at the end of "Light" when Chloe leaned on his shoulder, he came to some kind of "inner peace" about the whole Cloe/Matthew relationship. He could have rebuffed her. He could have taken advantage of the situation. Instead, he sighed and "lived with it."

So sorry, for me.. ain't buying the "doom and gloom soap opera down the line."

[Col.Foley]

Personally, I didn't detect a single iota of malice in Eli's statement.

I think, at the end of "Light" when Chloe leaned on his shoulder, he came to some kind of "inner peace" about the whole Cloe/Matthew relationship. He could have rebuffed her. He could have taken advantage of the situation. Instead, he sighed and "lived with it."

So sorry, for me.. ain't buying the "doom and gloom soap opera down the line."
:indeed:
Though I think that he is not going to accept it...sometimes its hard to do that and move on. But he is going to at least attempt to move on and live with it, and just let her make her descisions and be there for her when he can. Which is why I detected a twang of malice, but ultimatley he was just being his usual sarcastic cheery self.

[Radahldo]

Personally, I didn't detect a single iota of malice in Eli's statement.

I think, at the end of "Light" when Chloe leaned on his shoulder, he came to some kind of "inner peace" about the whole Cloe/Matthew relationship. He could have rebuffed her. He could have taken advantage of the situation. Instead, he sighed and "lived with it."

So sorry, for me.. ain't buying the "doom and gloom soap opera down the line."


Well, Scott did not perceive that as funny. Rather than try to clarify the joke (like hes done numerous times in previous episodes) Eli just seems satisfied with himself, which I feel is telling.

Eli tells awkward jokes when his situation is very dangerous and he feels threatened; maybe this just our first example of how Eli will awkwardly make fun/light of the dangers others face .

[Kaiphantom]

Because this might be a bit long, I'll state this upfront: I liked Scott at first. He seemed to make some smart decisions and helped keep people in line. He talked Greer down from shooting, and kept going in the desert to find that lime.

But he's been declining ever since he shacked up with Chloe. His character has devolved into a male stereotype of a guy thinking with his crotch. He's thrown whatever christian upbringing he had, out the window, only using it as a last resort. He's apparently learned nothing in the years since he got a girl pregnant (unless he got himself fixed). And he's starting to devolve Chloe as well (her "orders" in the gateroom to bring her boytoy back).



Ummm, the looks on their faces was subjective, can't get any more concrete than that and I don't have screen caps to analyize something that people would find subjective by nature.

What you get is strictly opinion. Opinions aren't facts. I can just as easily say: "The look on their faces show that Scott and Chloe are just using each other." Now, we can sit here all day and argue a "Is not! Is so!" or we can discuss the facts.


James and Chloe is for another thread, though at this point in the show I don't see how James is any better of a woman than Chloe.

Oh, she is very integral to this, because she establishes a pattern of behavior for Scott. Hey, by your own logic, Scott and James have a strong emotional bond, too, because they had sex! That must be why Scott was so quick to knock up another woman!


Eli doesn't stand a chance, not because he is a nerd but because he and Chloe are not in the same social circle and because Chloe is physically attracted to Scott, not Eli.

"not in the same social circle" THANK YOU!!!! You may want to reread my last post, because this is basically what I was saying. Eli is a nerd and Chloe is the hot chick. Watch a few movies some time; you'll note the nerds get picked on by the jocks, who always score the hot women. If you haven't noticed this stereotypical pattern, well... there's much else I can say I guess.


Eli doesn't have a job, he quit school and was still living at home. Scott has a job and a job that Chloe understands as evident by her conversation with Greer when he was searching her quarters for stolen provisions and he apologized and she said she understood.

What has jobs got to do with this? They are all stuck on a ship and everyone has a job (for which I might add, Eli has been doing more of a job helping out than Scott has). The Greer room search doesn't have much to do with this, but it's the one thing I'll admit that she has done right since she got on board. It has nothing to do with a job, though. She just understood the importance of everyone getting searched equally to find the water thief.


Don't assume anything.
I don't assume; I make an educated guess by reading what people say and how they react to things. You didn't try to insist you were a nerd, and that's okay. People who aren't nerds are fine, too. You just haven't had the experience of being a male nerd, just like I haven't had the experience of being a jock or a woman, etc.

I'm trying to let you know what it's like, so you'll understand a different reading on the situation. Nerds are known for their logic.


In a typical pouring heart out for comfort I might agree with you on this but this isn't the typical pouring heart out and it definitely is not a one-sided conversation.

Opinion. As I said, you can't debate opinion. You can only quantify facts. Facts which have 1 conversation for Scott, and a multitude of things with Eli.


These people are stranded far away from home. They are struggling to stay alive. Chloe watched her father die. She is emotionally vulnerable. Scott opened up to her, he reached out to her, he shared a very personal part of himself which also made him vulnerable to her, he connected with her. They are both also attracted to each other in a physical way.

Physically attracted, I'll grant. In fact, that's what I've been saying this entire time. It's only one of the major basis for their boinking. >_>

Yes, Chloe is more than likely to be emotionally vulnerable. A stereotypical emotionally vulnerable woman seeks out a man with power to protect her and provide for her. Being second-in-command, Scott has that. She also sought a form of power from Eli, in that he could provide her with a shower, light, companionship when Scott is away, etc. She is simply looking out for her needs.


No, the woman who typically is not a nerd does not typically want a nerd. As nothing to do with being shallow or sterotypical. If Chloe was a nerd, I am sure she would find Eli very attractive but she's not.

...I'm trying very hard not to bang my head on the desk. I've been saying this in my posts. My argument has *never* been that Chloe *should* go for Eli. It's always been about the reasons *why* she went for Scott. If Eli built up more "points" and yet she goes for Scott, then there are other factors in play. Which I've stated over and over, and those reasons *do* make her shallow.

I really really really wanna see Chloe develop, but if the writers keep her in this mode, then she remains two-dimensional, and that's not fair to her character, and it just annoys most of the people watching.


She wasn't following Scott around because Scott had a job to do and she knows that. Eli on the other hand only worked when Rush or sometimes Young had something for him to do so basically Eli had more time on his hands than Scott.

Eli had jobs to do, too. He's helping fix and understand the ship, remember? Your argument is invalid. When the lights went out, he was sending kinos off to explore the ship and working out a way to interface the shuttle for more power. Which he probably could have gotten to his work sooner, if Chloe wasn't crying out for him like a scared little elementary school girl.


And why wouldn't she ask the person who knew where the showers were and how to use them to show her. Seems the smart thing for anyone to do.

That was pretty much her only reason for following him. It's typical shallow-woman usage. Just watch; when she needs something technical again, she'll go back to Eli and smile and ask for him to do something special just for her. And when it's over, she'll run back to Scott.


Ummmm, maybe it's because Eli was the person who brought her to the showers and she knew he was close by and Scott wasn't.

No, she didn't know he was close by. He told her he was leaving, and that's the last she knew of him, remember? She didn't even bother to respond when he said he was leaving; she had her shower, what other need did she have for him?


If the lights went out and I was scared I would ask for the person that I knew was nearby as I know that person would most likely be the person coming back to get me. Why ask for someone who isn't there to come and help you?

As I said above, because she *didn't* know he was nearby. Rewatch the episode please, if you don't believe me. It would have been fun for Eli to go "Sorry, I have actual work on the ship to do, to find out out why the lights went off and how to fix it. You're a big girl, you can get dressed in the dark."

Apparently, though, Chloe isn't a big girl.


Scott wasn't even on the ship when they saw the gas giants. So he never had the chance and we don't know if he would have.
I'm sorry, but we can't continue unless you rewatch the episode again. Scott was still on the ship when the ship did the aerobraking around the gas giant. He didn't leave until long after that, when they had identified two of the planets, and then left on the shuttle.

It makes this really really difficult when you aren't familiar with the material we're discussing.


I am not trying to downplay anything...only to show a different viewpoint..
Please don't be intellectually dishonest. Downplaying means to assign less worth to something that you don't want to have a higher worth. But if you still don't get this, let me rephrase it against you, so you'll understand:

All your opinions really don't mean much. They aren't as important as you believe. On the other hand, my reasons hold greater weight.

Now do you see the folly of trying to debate that way?


Sterotypical is really being overused. Sterotypes are just descriptions that people form to define or judge another group of people.

Apparently, what's not being used enough, is a spell checker: "Stereotype."

But I digress. Stereotypes form for a reason. If you study sociology, you'll find a number of fascinating reasons why they form. Some aren't applicable, but the majority are. Not because a majority in that group holds them, but because you can generally find a decent-sized group of people that do.


I know lots of popular and hot looking women that go for nerds because they are nerds themself. Physical characteristics are not limited by the type of person you are.

... *sigh* You're totally missing the point about what a stereotype is. Of course there are exceptions; there always are. We're not discussing exceptions here, because Chloe isn't one of them.


She didn't go with Young because she wasn't attracted to him. Young is still the alpha-male as he is the leader. I was just trying to point out that Scott was not the alpha-male as was made in an earlier post.
She choose Scott because she was attracted to him, not Young. There is no evidence at this point in the show to support her choosing Scott because he was better lookin and would go along with it.

An "Alpha male" personality doesn't have to be confined to one person. Rush is partly Alpha male in the engineering section of the group. It's a scientific term to denote the top dog *or* one of the top dogs. An Alpha Male rules over the other males. Scott, being second-in-command, fits this explanation.

Look, I'm just gonna cut the conversation here. You're missing a lot of factual key points like Scott still being on Destiny during the gas giant. And there are some scientific and logical principles you appear uncertain on. If you were a nerd, you'd understand them.

To sum up: it may be an interesting plot line to watch Scott and Chloe slowly destroy themselves in this relationship. I don't care if she gets together with Eli(I'd rather see Eli drop her like a rock and focus on the ship). I'd rather see her develop into a strong woman who doesn't use sex to get what she needs. I'd rather see Scott learn from his past and grow stronger because of it, by *not* jumping into every girl's panties.

I have a real hard time seeing why people condone a manipulative immature girl and a serial philanderer. Although in that strange light, they seem fit for each other.

I make these predictions. One of the following two things will happen:
#1. Scott grows tired of her, or goes for another woman. Maybe back to James. Chloe *****es him out and goes to cry on Eli's shoulder.
#2. Chloe attempts to use their relationship to get special favors, and Scott may or may not do it. Either way, when she doesn't get it, she's going to whine or have a fit.

[SupremeLegate]

I just read Joseph Mallozzi’s latest Weblog and I think I noticed something interesting; Correct me if I am wrong but, I don't think he has once refered to Chloe and Scott as a relationship? It could just be becuase he is responding to people's reactions to the face that the two had sex, but I still think it is interesting.

Have any of the other Actor, Writers, ect who keep in touch with the Fanbase refered to them as in a relationship?

[Rosehawk]

What you get is strictly opinion. Opinions aren't facts. I can just as easily say: "The look on their faces show that Scott and Chloe are just using each other." Now, we can sit here all day and argue a "Is not! Is so!" or we can discuss the facts.
Yes you can and while I may disagree, I sure would't knock down you for having that interpetation.

Oh, she is very integral to this, because she establishes a pattern of behavior for Scott. Hey, by your own logic, Scott and James have a strong emotional bond, too, because they had sex! That must be why Scott was so quick to knock up another woman!
I said the emotional bond that was between them along with the physical attraction is what lead up to the sex. We have no idea at this point what lead to the relationship between Scott and James. And Scott may have a 'sex' issue, that remains to be confirmed more as the show progresses.


"not in the same social circle" THANK YOU!!!! You may want to reread my last post, because this is basically what I was saying. Eli is a nerd and Chloe is the hot chick. Watch a few movies some time; you'll note the nerds get picked on by the jocks, who always score the hot women. If you haven't noticed this stereotypical pattern, well... there's much else I can say I guess.
This may be how TV portrays nerds; however, I was talking more about nerds I have met in real life.

What has jobs got to do with this? They are all stuck on a ship and everyone has a job (for which I might add, Eli has been doing more of a job helping out than Scott has). The Greer room search doesn't have much to do with this, but it's the one thing I'll admit that she has done right since she got on board. It has nothing to do with a job, though. She just understood the importance of everyone getting searched equally to find the water thief.
You are misinterpeting what I am writing. My point with the jobs was to show another reason why Chloe may have more of an attraction towards Scott and not Eli. All the Greer search does is show that Chloe understands the military way of doing things as opposed to the other civilian who was screaming and yelling about the search. Nothing more or less.


I don't assume; I make an educated guess by reading what people say and how they react to things. You didn't try to insist you were a nerd, and that's okay. People who aren't nerds are fine, too. You just haven't had the experience of being a male nerd, just like I haven't had the experience of being a jock or a woman, etc.
You are correct, I haven't had the experience of being a male nerd, a bit difficult since I am a female; but I have had more than one so-called male nerd, including my brother, cry on my shoulder about trying to get a girl that is simply not into him.


I'm trying to let you know what it's like, so you'll understand a different reading on the situation. Nerds are known for their logic.
Nerds are more known for how they choose to use their logic but that is a topic for another thread.


Opinion. As I said, you can't debate opinion. You can only quantify facts. Facts which have 1 conversation for Scott, and a multitude of things with Eli.
This is a case of quality versus quantity. It doesn't matter how many things that Eli does, it matters the quality of what he does and the value it has to Chloe. Plain and simple. This may be the reason why we are not connecting with this conversation.


Yes, Chloe is more than likely to be emotionally vulnerable. A stereotypical emotionally vulnerable woman seeks out a man with power to protect her and provide for her. Being second-in-command, Scott has that. She also sought a form of power from Eli, in that he could provide her with a shower, light, companionship when Scott is away, etc. She is simply looking out for her needs.
Any emotional vulnerable person, male or female, tends to look for someone to connect with in times of great stress. Don't you think Eli would have helped anyone who asked with the showers? It just happened that Chloe asked him first because they have become friends and she isn't yet aware of his crush on her. Don't see how that is a form of power.


...I'm trying very hard not to bang my head on the desk. I've been saying this in my posts. My argument has *never* been that Chloe *should* go for Eli. It's always been about the reasons *why* she went for Scott. If Eli built up more "points" and yet she goes for Scott, then there are other factors in play. Which I've stated over and over, and those reasons *do* make her shallow.
*rolleyes* She went for Scott because she was attracted to him, plain and simple. That does not make her shallow which by the way is an opinion, not a fact. Women don't care about how many points a guy tries to build up...Women care about the quality of the points that the guy gives.


Eli had jobs to do, too. He's helping fix and understand the ship, remember? Your argument is invalid.
How so? My arguement was based more on that Eli seems to have more free time than Scott because of the work assignments that they do get and Chloe definitely has free time because she hasn't found a job yet.


No, she didn't know he was close by. He told her he was leaving, and that's the last she knew of him, remember? She didn't even bother to respond when he said he was leaving; she had her shower, what other need did she have for him?
Eli was the last person who was with her, why wouldn't he be the first person she called out to. Makes sense to me.


I'm sorry, but we can't continue
This I can agree with you on since you seem to not want to listen with an open mind to anything I write here and have now resorted to being rather interesting in how you are responding.


Please don't be intellectually dishonest. Downplaying means to assign less worth to something that you don't want to have a higher worth.
Which is exactly what you are doing to me in this conversation.


All your opinions really don't mean much. They aren't as important as you believe. On the other hand, my reasons hold greater weight.

Now do you see the folly of trying to debate that way?
Hummm, interesting because I am not the one debating this way. I am just trying to have what I thought was an interesting conversation with an interesting person.


Apparently, what's not being used enough, is a spell checker: "Stereotype."
And what relevance does that have to the conversation other than to put me down?


But I digress. Stereotypes form for a reason. If you study sociology, you'll find a number of fascinating reasons why they form. Some aren't applicable, but the majority are. Not because a majority in that group holds them, but because you can generally find a decent-sized group of people that do.
Pretty much what I said in less words and more to the point.


.. *sigh* You're totally missing the point about what a stereotype is. Of course there are exceptions; there always are. We're not discussing exceptions here, because Chloe isn't one of them.
*sigh* No I am not missing your point. I was trying to have a decent fun conversation with you here but that is not going to work as you are very intent only keeping your point of view. So what if she is hot, Scott is too, likes attract likes. And it will make for an interesting Scott and Eli dynamic in future episodes.


Look, I'm just gonna cut the conversation here. You're missing a lot of factual key points like Scott still being on Destiny during the gas giant. And there are some scientific and logical principles you appear uncertain on. If you were a nerd, you'd understand them.
Excuse me, instead of being rude about the gas giant thing, you could have pointed it out in a much nicer manner, because my brain was going to the scene when they were sitting together running out of air, those things do sometimes happen in conversations and a polite steering to the direct point would have been the nicer thing to do.

[Commander Zelix]

I wonder where the writers are going with the Eli and Scott relationship. In the Air episode, I thought they were going for the big brother, little brother friendly bantering relationship. Like Sheppard or McKay for example. Now I'm not sure. Even the Chloe relationship has created a small rift between them.

[wargrafix]

A great thing is that real friction makes the character development less predictable and this will help the series. Before the concern was that it was going to be a series of 12 hour missions, but this adds to the story.

This was the weak point in SG1 and a lesser degree atlantis. The character growth wasn't terribly great.

[ZoSo]

I am a female

Naw, really? ;) No offense or anything but you are obviously incapable of seeing this situation for what it is. I agree with your point about the talk between Chloe and Scott being worth more "points" or whatever, but you just refuse to acknowledge the fact that she's using Eli, among other -yes- stereotypical things.

Kaiphantom: I'd tone down the hostility a notch or two, you aren't scoring any "points". Or maybe you are...

[Naonak]

I really don't want it to become a "relationship show". That's basically entirely what dragged down BSGs third season, and it had much more endearing characters to work something like that around.
Really? Who were they? :p

Seriously, though, I could count the number of BSG characters I liked on one hand (and they weren't all at the same time), whereas with SGU I like all of the main group - and a couple of the supporting players - to some extent.

Funny how this works. :)


Naw, really? ;) No offense or anything but you are obviously incapable of seeing this situation for what it is. I agree with your point about the talk between Chloe and Scott being worth more "points" or whatever, but you just refuse to acknowledge the fact that she's using Eli, among other -yes- stereotypical things.
It's not a fact.

[SupremeLegate]

There is something interesting that I recently thought of, and I am surprised that no one else has thought of it.

Do we really know what kind of relationship they have? Think about it they had sex in “Light” and were making out in “Water.” Now granted I am basing this thought on just two episodes, and I will reevaluate it as I watch more episodes, but it seems to me that it is primarily physical.

Don’t get me wrong, there do appear to be feelings and emotion involved. But I ask, to what extent.

[Radahldo]

Don’t get me wrong, there do appear to be feelings and emotion involved. But I ask, to what extent.


Chloe: " I have probably felt closer to you in these past few days than I have ever felt to anybody. So if this is goodbye ..."

She seems quite invested, as does Scott.
It's the "felt" part that I feel is important. I would imagine the perils of her situation has made her consider the friendships/intimacies she's had, weighing them against what she's experienced with Scott.

[Kaiphantom]

This may be how TV portrays nerds; however, I was talking more about nerds I have met in real life.

You are correct, I haven't had the experience of being a male nerd, a bit difficult since I am a female; but I have had more than one so-called male nerd, including my brother, cry on my shoulder about trying to get a girl that is simply not into him.

I'm just gonna say this. When you are scheduled to parachute out of an airplane, do you assume you already know what to do? Or do you listen to the guy with a bunch of experience?

I'm trying to tell you exactly what it's like from a Real Life nerd's perspective. Since we're generally turned down, and used by women a lot, we know the signs. We tend to have the perspective of being able to sit back and observe these women running around. After time, it becomes predictable. We easily point out all the signs to each other.

As Rush said in a previous episode, "If you can't see the signs, you're no good to me."

Even among women I do value as friends because they don't treat me as something to use, I can notice some of the behaviors. But these rare women I *can* talk to about it, and they apologize and change, not even realizing they were doing it because it was subconscious.

You're female. That means you like to see good relationships in most of your shows. You're generally a shipper, and so that colors your viewpoint. I wouldn't doubt that there are already plenty of women who are going SQUEEE over the thought of a Scott/Chloe pairing and busy writing fanfiction where they live happily ever after. Probably where Chloe changes Scott's "bad boy" ways, which is a fantasy most females have.

But I'd bet at least a few of them realize it's all in their head at the moment.

With that, I'll be done. As others have pointed out, you can't see he situation for what it is. I really feel like I'm trying to debate with a hardcore Shipper who won't take any flak for their chosen couple, and I know how pointless that gets.

So, I apologize if I came across a bit hostile, but it's born more out of frustration than anything else. It's hard to argue rationally against irrationality, and that tends to make nerds a bit steamed.

[morrismike]

Scott is the type of guy who tormented Eli in High School. The both have a lot of growing-up to do. Scott needs additional lessons in appropriate behavior -- for a soldier and with women.

Once Young gets wind of this he will put an end to it. You can't exactly be stranded in space with one of your crew dillying all 5 or 6 women on board. Not to mention Eli will be very valuable to him until Rush starts using the professional types on board for meaningful work. An Eli that is infactuated and resentful towards other crew members is no good to anyone.

[morrismike]

At some point Eli will need to make a life or death choice between Cloe and someone that is actually useful for something other than teasing, drinking water, and consuming oxygen. I'm pretty sure I know how that will turn out and we'll lose a valuable team member.

[leanbarton]

I'm thinking Scott needs something big to happen to him, where lives are lost, to make him realize he needs to take his responsibilities seriously.

I can only imagine the writers are planning such a thing.

[Icarus]

I don't like Scott, and men of his type (pretty much in every town, every city, every part of the world) are that they can be portrayed as a bad but good person - that all his faults are downplayed (he's only human lol!) but he's really good in his heart because he's a Christian and a leader and good looking... because you know, have any or all of those three attributes means there's no way you can be a bad person! Those sorts get away with so much in life, it propels them to the top of society whilst the genuine, completely non corrupt get left behind as his lackeys.

[Ouroboros]

Really? Who were they? :p

Seriously, though, I could count the number of BSG characters I liked on one hand (and they weren't all at the same time), whereas with SGU I like all of the main group - and a couple of the supporting players - to some extent.



You didn't like Lee, Baltar, Six, Chief Tyrol, Callie, Adama Senior, Roslin, Starbuck, Boomer, Anders and Tigh? Just about everyone on BSG got sucked into a romance plot at some point or another. Even the better writing and acting couldn't convince me that putting say, Tigh, into a romance plot was something I wanted to watch though.

I also just didn't like certain characters like Starbuck, but even with the ones I did like the romances really started to drag on the patience when you looked around and noticed that literally every main character was somehow involved in one.

[IcarusAbides]

How has this thread got turned into yet another SGU Vs BSG thread. Seriously.

[Naonak]

I'm just gonna say this. When you are scheduled to parachute out of an airplane, do you assume you already know what to do? Or do you listen to the guy with a bunch of experience?

I'm trying to tell you exactly what it's like from a Real Life nerd's perspective. Since we're generally turned down, and used by women a lot, we know the signs. We tend to have the perspective of being able to sit back and observe these women running around. After time, it becomes predictable. We easily point out all the signs to each other.

As Rush said in a previous episode, "If you can't see the signs, you're no good to me."

Even among women I do value as friends because they don't treat me as something to use, I can notice some of the behaviors. But these rare women I *can* talk to about it, and they apologize and change, not even realizing they were doing it because it was subconscious.

You're female. That means you like to see good relationships in most of your shows. You're generally a shipper, and so that colors your viewpoint. I wouldn't doubt that there are already plenty of women who are going SQUEEE over the thought of a Scott/Chloe pairing and busy writing fanfiction where they live happily ever after. Probably where Chloe changes Scott's "bad boy" ways, which is a fantasy most females have.

But I'd bet at least a few of them realize it's all in their head at the moment.

With that, I'll be done. As others have pointed out, you can't see he situation for what it is. I really feel like I'm trying to debate with a hardcore Shipper who won't take any flak for their chosen couple, and I know how pointless that gets.

So, I apologize if I came across a bit hostile, but it's born more out of frustration than anything else. It's hard to argue rationally against irrationality, and that tends to make nerds a bit steamed.
I'm a guy, leaning towards the "nerdy" end of the spectrum. Out of the many shows I watch, I ship very few characters (although I'm not anti), none in a particularly hardcore way, and this ain't an example (but again, not against it).

But I still agree with Rosehawk on almost all points here.


I think part of the problem here might be because of how Darkness and Light were originally just one episode, Fire, that got split up, and we ended up with no Scott/Chloe scenes in Darkness. People didn't exactly forget about their scenes in Air, but it was maybe more out of mind than if it had only been the previous episode.

Maybe. Just a thought.


You didn't like Lee, Baltar, Six, Chief Tyrol, Callie, Adama Senior, Roslin, Starbuck, Boomer, Anders and Tigh? Just about everyone on BSG got sucked into a romance plot at some point or another. Even the better writing and acting couldn't convince me that putting say, Tigh, into a romance plot was something I wanted to watch though.

I also just didn't like certain characters like Starbuck, but even with the ones I did like the romances really started to drag on the patience when you looked around and noticed that literally every main character was somehow involved in one.
Oh, at times I liked Tigh, Adama, Baltar and Tyrol. Aside from a few, I didn't exactly dislike the rest, I just didn't really care...

[Coronach]

How has this thread got turned into yet another SGU Vs BSG thread. Seriously.

Something...something...something...DARK SIDE.

Something...something...something...complete.

[Rosehawk]

Naw, really? ;) No offense or anything but you are obviously incapable of seeing this situation for what it is. I agree with your point about the talk between Chloe and Scott being worth more "points" or whatever, but you just refuse to acknowledge the fact that she's using Eli, among other -yes- stereotypical things.

Kaiphantom: I'd tone down the hostility a notch or two, you aren't scoring any "points". Or maybe you are...
At this point in the show, she is not using Eli, and I say at this point in the show - doesn't mean it won't change. She is not yet aware that Eli has a crush on her, she sees him as a friend and as such is treating him as such. What Eli has done for her so far, friends do do for friends as friends do help each other out. Besides, if the guy's only intend is do do stuff to score points in the hopes that she runs into his arms, then who is really using who?

And no offense taken as I do I appreciate your viewpoint. I find it very interesting.


I'm just gonna say this. When you are scheduled to parachute out of an airplane, do you assume you already know what to do? Or do you listen to the guy with a bunch of experience?
What is your point here? If I was going to parachute, I would listen to the instructor - don't understand how that relates to Eli or Scott and Chloe's relationship with either of them. If Scott was the expert, I'd listen to him, if Eli was, I'd listen to him. Same with a relationship, I'd listen to what the guy was telling me, or not telling me, and go from there.


I'm trying to tell you exactly what it's like from a Real Life nerd's perspective. Since we're generally turned down, and used by women a lot, we know the signs. We tend to have the perspective of being able to sit back and observe these women running around. After time, it becomes predictable. We easily point out all the signs to each other.
Given that nerds see this all the time implies that there are reasons for this but that is really for another thread.


Even among women I do value as friends because they don't treat me as something to use, I can notice some of the behaviors. But these rare women I *can* talk to about it, and they apologize and change, not even realizing they were doing it because it was subconscious.
Someone can not change or see how they affect you unless you are upfront and honest with them about it, which is difficult because it means you can get hurt.
We have yet to see this happen between Chloe and Eli.
All I am saying is you are already putting Chloe, Scott and Eli in a box instead of letting the story and the characters develop. Eventually Scott and Eli are going to come to a head over Chloe. Once that happens, I may just agree with you but until that happens, or until Chloe has 'the talk' with Eli I am going to give all three the benefit of the doubt.


You're female. That means you like to see good relationships in most of your shows. You're generally a shipper, and so that colors your viewpoint. I wouldn't doubt that there are already plenty of women who are going SQUEEE over the thought of a Scott/Chloe pairing and busy writing fanfiction where they live happily ever after. Probably where Chloe changes Scott's "bad boy" ways, which is a fantasy most females have.
Interesting, how quick you are to make this generalization about me without getting any facts.
For the record, I am not a shipper. I thunk one character who happens to be a "geek" because I connect with the character and the actor is a phenomenal actor who I happen to like his work. I only did one 'ship' and that was Zelenka and Weir because we had alot of fun on that thread, not because I took it seriously. In fact I avoid most ships as I don't care for the SQUEE factor.
And, no I do not need to see good relationships on most of my shows. I like to see relationships that have conflict and watch how people work them out, granted I may like a happy ending but I am not going to lose any sleep if it doesn't work out.


With that, I'll be done. As others have pointed out, you can't see he situation for what it is. I really feel like I'm trying to debate with a hardcore Shipper who won't take any flak for their chosen couple, and I know how pointless that gets.
Wow, talk about stereotypes gone wrong. Wow, just simply amazed at this statement. Go check out the shipper threads if you don believe me. And just because I don't agree with the majority doesn't mean I don't see the situation from your viewpoint. Nerds are not the only ones who get rejected and get the friendship talk from the opposite sex. All I am just trying to do is give a different viewpoint.


So, I apologize if I came across a bit hostile, but it's born more out of frustration than anything else. It's hard to argue rationally against irrationality, and that tends to make nerds a bit steamed.
Okay. I can understand that. The difference though is I didn't come here to argue, I came to have a conversation which may mean disagreements but not downright negating what is being said.

[Kaiphantom]

I know I said I'd be done, but going to point out this last bit, for all the good it will do.


What is your point here? If I was going to parachute, I would listen to the instructor - don't understand how that relates to Eli or Scott and Chloe's relationship with either of them. If Scott was the expert, I'd listen to him, if Eli was, I'd listen to him. Same with a relationship, I'd listen to what the guy was telling me, or not telling me, and go from there.

You're not a parachute instructor, so you listen to the one with more experience in it.

You're not a nerd, so please listen to one who has more experience in it.

Chloe is using Eli. It might be subconscious, but it's there. You'll see more of it as the series progresses. If it is subconscious, she won't even realize it until someone points it out to her. I expect denial then, and especially anger if it's Eli saying it.

You're projecting what you want to see, rather than what's there. It's understandable, but right now, you're reacting much like the women I've described in previous posts. Very rarely do any of them want to ask themselves the uncomfortable questions.

There's no way to know if there's any sort of real emotional bond between Scott and Chloe right now. The relationships that start out sexual very early between two people who haven't known each other very long, are statistically very unlikely to last. That's because the feelings aren't based on anything more concrete then physical pleasure.

People learn this in sociology courses. One or the other will eventually lose interest, or find something new. Scott seems to do this fairly often, if what we've seen so far is standard for him. So I predict him breaking it off first, once he gets tired of her.

If you really think it only takes one conversation to develop a strong emotional bond, then you're exactly what most guys want to see when they step into a bar or go to pickup chicks in other places. Men have a code word for that: Easy. Just have to push the right emotional buttons to get what you want. And yes, I've done this before, too. It's amazing how well it works, because most women steadfastly believe it's not possible, which makes them weak to it.

Not saying Scott is deliberate in it, as the more "popular" guys tend to do it by default.

[Phantom6]

I have NEVER said this about a character in a tv show.

That's more than 20 years of experience with television both good and bad.

I REALLY was hoping Lt. Scott would die. I still hope for it. I absolutely can NOT stand the character.

[IcarusAbides]

I have NEVER said this about a character in a tv show.

That's more than 20 years of experience with television both good and bad.

I REALLY was hoping Lt. Scott would die. I still hope for it. I absolutely can NOT stand the character.
Give it time, you may change your mind.

[ReFRidgerator]

I too wish he had remained stuck in that crack.

Yeah I wouldn't mind that either, except for the fact that Young would have stayed and died too. I dislike Scott, but not enough to lose Young too. I actually have a better idea. Scott uses the ancient terminal to go home, and ends up body swapping with O' Neill, Telford, Shepard, or aome other more likeable character. Then the macine breaks, and Scott is stranded on earth and we get a better character in his place. Everyone wins (except the guy Scott swaps with).

[Phantom6]

Give it time, you may change your mind.

Highly doubtful.

I can't stand the way the character is written. He's a thick headed libido with legs.


I want the character to get stuck on a planet and left behind. I'm not cruel though, make it a very nice planet with plenty of food and water.

[IcarusAbides]

Highly doubtful.

I can't stand the way the character is written. He's a thick headed libido with legs.


I want the character to get stuck on a planet and left behind. I'm not cruel though, make it a very nice planet with plenty of food and water.
Fair enough if you really don't like him.

[ReFRidgerator]

Highly doubtful.

I can't stand the way the character is written. He's a thick headed libido with legs.


I want the character to get stuck on a planet and left behind. I'm not cruel though, make it a very nice planet with plenty of food and water.

Yeah, but why strand him when you can trde him in for someone better?

[SupremeLegate]

Chloe is using Eli. It might be subconscious, but it's there. You'll see more of it as the series progresses. If it is subconscious, she won't even realize it until someone points it out to her. I expect denial then, and especially anger if it's Eli saying it.


I am a fellow nerd and have experienced this type of scenarios several times, but I have to disagree with you on this point.

I honestly do not think she is using him, consciously or subconsciously, in her mind he is simply a nice guy who is being a good friend.

Also basted on what we have seen so far I would say that she gets emotional comfort from Eli and physical comfort from Scott.

Currently we do not have enough information; since Chloe hooked up with Scott we have not had any scenes where her and Scott or her and Eli are having a conversation.

Which is why I am hoping that “Earth” has plenty of scenes with Chloe and Eli together.

[Kaiphantom]

I honestly do not think she is using him, consciously or subconsciously, in her mind he is simply a nice guy who is being a good friend.

That's where the subconscious part fits in. There were only a few parts where she was with him: the shower, being afraid of the dark and wanting light, and after Scott had left on the shuttle, she went to him for comfort as her last moments living.


Also basted on what we have seen so far I would say that she gets emotional comfort from Eli and physical comfort from Scott.

That's part of the problem. Any real relationship that expects to last, needs both. And so far, she's only gotten emotional comfort from Eli when Scott was already gone on the shuttle. Almost sloppy seconds.

I'll restate again, that I really hope the writer's pull her out of this. I'd much rather see her grow into a strong woman. I was actually beginning to root for her in "Darkness" when she acknowledged that she felt out of place, with nothing to do. I was hoping she'd grow some determination and find a role for herself.

But then she whined in the dark, took his blackberry for light, then ordered him to stay (but with back turned!). =( Came across as a very needy and demanding woman.

[morrismike]

That's where the subconscious part fits in. There were only a few parts where she was with him: the shower, being afraid of the dark and wanting light, and after Scott had left on the shuttle, she went to him for comfort as her last moments living.



That's part of the problem. Any real relationship that expects to last, needs both. And so far, she's only gotten emotional comfort from Eli when Scott was already gone on the shuttle. Almost sloppy seconds.

I'll restate again, that I really hope the writer's pull her out of this. I'd much rather see her grow into a strong woman. I was actually beginning to root for her in "Darkness" when she acknowledged that she felt out of place, with nothing to do. I was hoping she'd grow some determination and find a role for herself.

But then she whined in the dark, took his blackberry for light, then ordered him to stay (but with back turned!). =( Came across as a very needy and demanding woman.

When she's 30, 3 kids, divorced, losing her looks she'll be interested in Eli.

[SupremeLegate]

That's part of the problem. Any real relationship that expects to last, needs both.


I don't think anyone has said it will last, and I am betting (hoping) that it does not.



I'll restate again, that I really hope the writer's pull her out of this. I'd much rather see her grow into a strong woman. I was actually beginning to root for her in "Darkness" when she acknowledged that she felt out of place, with nothing to do. I was hoping she'd grow some determination and find a role for herself.


Well I remember watching an interview with Elyse Levesque where Chloe has to convice the higher ups to let her go to some planet, no idea which episode this is supposed to be in. So it seems to me that at some point she will being to find her place.



When she's 30, 3 kids, divorced, losing her looks she'll be interested in Eli.

Congradulations, you have just insulted ever single Nerd on this planet.

[wargrafix]

For all his temper issues Greer actually means well. Scott on the other hand feels a need to establish dominance. As seen with his interactions with eli. Ultimately the character comes across as very fake.

Eli takes everything in stride and excels while after a few screws, scott is slipping in his responsibility.

[Rosehawk]

I know I said I'd be done, but going to point out this last bit, for all the good it will do.
*rolleyes* wishing I could post what I am really thinking at the moment.


You're not a parachute instructor, so you listen to the one with more experience in it.
You're not a nerd, so please listen to one who has more experience in it.
And this does what for the discussion exactly other than to negate a different point of view?
A parachute instructor directions are clear...there are a specific set of parameters and instructions that have to be followed for ones safety and survival. So basically you are saying I have to agree to everything you are saying, which pretty much leaves no room for discussion. Wow!


Chloe is using Eli. It might be subconscious, but it's there. You'll see more of it as the series progresses. If it is subconscious, she won't even realize it until someone points it out to her. I expect denial then, and especially anger if it's Eli saying it.
When I see it, then I may agree with you but until then....


You're projecting what you want to see, rather than what's there. It's understandable, but right now, you're reacting much like the women I've described in previous posts. Very rarely do any of them want to ask themselves the uncomfortable questions.
Actually you are the one projecting what you want to see as you keep trying to turn the discussion into something based on personal experience and not based on what has yet happened on screen.
And very rarely do men want to ask themselves the uncomfortable questions as to why women don't want to go out with them.
Besides, if I had it my way I would very much like to see Chloe and Eli get together as in the long run I see that as a much stronger relationship.


There's no way to know if there's any sort of real emotional bond between Scott and Chloe right now. The relationships that start out sexual very early between two people who haven't known each other very long, are statistically very unlikely to last. That's because the feelings aren't based on anything more concrete then physical pleasure.
I would tend to agree with this, other than to say I do feel that an emotional bond does now indeed exist between Scott and Chloe.


If you really think it only takes one conversation to develop a strong emotional bond, then you're exactly what most guys want to see when they step into a bar or go to pickup chicks in other places. Men have a code word for that: Easy. Just have to push the right emotional buttons to get what you want. And yes, I've done this before, too. It's amazing how well it works, because most women steadfastly believe it's not possible, which makes them weak to it.
A conversation like you have described in the bar, yes I can agree with what you are saying; however, this emotional bond is created under some extreme situations which is not the same as having a conversation in a bar, not even close.

If you have ever been through a major trauma and I have more than once, you can understand how quick these intense emotional bonds can be made between people, so I can totally see how a life or death situation can create these quick and sudden emotional bonds such as Chloe and Scott, though many do not form physical relationships, alot of them do.


Which is why I am hoping that “Earth” has plenty of scenes with Chloe and Eli together.
Me too!

[Kaiphantom]

I don't think anyone has said it will last, and I am betting (hoping) that it does not.

If people realize this, then one just needs to follow up the chain and analyze why, based on the facts we've seen so far and apply Occam's Razor, which aims to remove as many assumptions as possible. What we know is that they shacked up shortly after meeting each other (a week or two?) and immediately began banging. Sociology dictates this kind of relationship as the "hot, heavy and quick" type, based solely on physical attraction.


Well I remember watching an interview with Elyse Levesque where Chloe has to convice the higher ups to let her go to some planet, no idea which episode this is supposed to be in. So it seems to me that at some point she will being to find her place.

Hope so. At this point, she's gonna have to do a damn good job to convince people, based upon her outburst in the gateroom.


Congradulations, you have just insulted ever single Nerd on this planet.

I don't see it as an insult at all. It's the damn truth. Once women have been played over and over by the playboy types, they'll hit their thirties. Biology kicks in, realize they need a provider for their children. If they manage to reconnect with the nerdy types who were always "good friends" they will genuinely want them as a partner, because the nerd is still alone and has a decent-paying job.

There are always exceptions, but there are enough examples in real life and media to show this is somewhat common.

I had limited contact recently with girls I knew in high school (go go reunions!). It was funny to see how people have changed. Some had turned out just fine, of course. But there were still quite a few that talked more openly and friendly to me. *Every* single female that started to flirt with me admitted they had kids later. I'm not kidding.

Even my own sister had one kid by one guy, and then had two others with another.

And of course, when they realized I was fairly well off with my own condo, they suggested scheduling more time to do stuff next week. I smiled and responded the same way they told me in high school: "Sorry, I'm kinda busy next week."

I grew out of being a doormat long ago. =)

[SupremeLegate]

They do, and due to the situation it is a strong one. But I think the emotional connection between Chloe and Eli has more substance.

[QUOTE=Rosehawk;10781403]Me too!

I just realized I got the episodes mixed up, the one I was thinking of is "Life, though I still hope for something between Eli and Chloe in "Earth." Ot at least something that will give us an idea of the direction the Chloe/Scott relationship is going.

[Rosehawk]

They do, and due to the situation it is a strong one. But I think the emotional connection between Chloe and Eli has more substance.
I agree. I think that Chloe and Eli's relationship has alot more substance and it will be interesting to watch their relationship play out as the show continues.
Other than Eli and Rush, Chloe and Eli are the most interesting relationships on the show for me.


I just realized I got the episodes mixed up, the one I was thinking of is "Life, though I still hope for something between Eli and Chloe in "Earth." Ot at least something that will give us an idea of the direction the Chloe/Scott relationship is going.
And then at some point we will get to see what happens between Scott and Eli. Eli is showing that he has a bit of a fighting spirit in him which I am kind of hoping is the part of him that comes out when the inevitable issues with Scott about Chloe comes up.

[morrismike]

In all truth if Eli grows up some, one of those other women on the ship (besides the one tease) will latch onto him. He really should get over Cloe because she's no good anyway.

[flameling]

Eli obviously doesn't have much experience to girls. Most girls are attracted to personality which is why you can easily see good looking girls with ugly guys. Scott has shown that he has a masculine personality and that is why she is with him. Eli is trying both to much and to little. So while I do agree he should have Chloe and it was wrong for Scott to do that, if as some people said, she went for Young we'd all be "OMG married man robbing the cradle". Ok the point is that she is with Scott because he showed that he has a personality alot of girls look for, a masculine one. Eli isn't doing that.

[x-wing20]

I saw this happening from day one. I knew there was going to be love triangle between Eli, Chloe and Scott. I can understand the dislike for Scott. It's still very earlier in the series there always the possibility of the relationship ending. From what happened in air pt.3 I can see scott doing a complete 180 and become spiritual along the lines of happend with Baltar in BSG ( i know everyone is sick of these comparisons).

Although I think it's highly unlikely there's the possibility of James and Eli hooking up. On the other hand I hope to see a Daniel/Jack or Sheppard/ Mckay friendship dynamc when it comes to Eli and Scott.

[Phantom6]

Yeah, but why strand him when you can trde him in for someone better?

See I hadn't considered that. Send in Zelekna or someone. Then you can have brains AND they'd have a body capable of extreme exertion... though as much as Scott gets around he's probably got something nasty swimming around in his blood by now.

[SupremeLegate]

Well I just read some spoilers about the rest of the episodes this season, and I am looking forward to several scenes.

[ReFRidgerator]

See I hadn't considered that. Send in Zelekna or someone. Then you can have brains AND they'd have a body capable of extreme exertion... though as much as Scott gets around he's probably got something nasty swimming around in his blood by now.

Not to mention that whoever's body he ends up in will probably end up with something nasty in his blood once Scott's done with it. I guess the guy he swithces with gets the short end of the stick either way.

[Lord Hurin]

Not to mention that whoever's body he ends up in will probably end up with something nasty in his blood once Scott's done with it. I guess the guy he swithces with gets the short end of the sick either way.

Nah, Scott may get pwnd and get Dr. Lee's body or something. Then he wouldn't have the boyish good looks to cover up his lack of personality... :jonas:

[wargrafix]

odds are, chloe has already gotten a souvenir that there ain't a cure for.

On the bright side, she and scott could start doing those herpes adverts.

[SupremeLegate]

Oh just stop before you insult yourselves more.

[BrianD]

If Scott pulled a douche move like that on me I'd have a similar tone to him as Eli. Whatever though I'm sure by the end of season 1 they'll be buddy buddy again.

[Lord Hurin]

Oh just stop before you insult yourselves more.

Huh? Who was that directed at?

[SupremeLegate]

Huh? Who was that directed at?

Them:


See I hadn't considered that. Send in Zelekna or someone. Then you can have brains AND they'd have a body capable of extreme exertion... though as much as Scott gets around he's probably got something nasty swimming around in his blood by now.


Not to mention that whoever's body he ends up in will probably end up with something nasty in his blood once Scott's done with it. I guess the guy he swithces with gets the short end of the sick either way.


Nah, Scott may get pwnd and get Dr. Lee's body or something. Then he wouldn't have the boyish good looks to cover up his lack of personality... :jonas:


odds are, chloe has already gotten a souvenir that there ain't a cure for.

On the bright side, she and scott could start doing those herpes adverts.


It's pointless, immature, and insulting.

[Lord Hurin]

Them:

Ok, so me included...


It's pointless, immature, and insulting.

Isn't a lot of this? What point is there in this board as a whole other than to air our opinions and see if someone else's are similar? Do the show runners actually look at the forums here on a regular basis? Even if they did, I doubt they'd see our every whim and go "ok. THAT'S making it into the next script!" This is all for fun, and who are you to tell us what is and isn't funny TO US?

I'd also like to know who we were insulting. Bill Lee? I personally haven't ever heard any dialogue about him being married or on a date. And by most people's standards, he's certainly not as good looking as Lt. Scott. Oh, he's also a fictional character so I doubt I insulted him too much.

[ReFRidgerator]

odds are, chloe has already gotten a souvenir that there ain't a cure for.

On the bright side, she and scott could start doing those herpes adverts.

Well, you never know maybe the Asgard or the Ancients will come in and
cure her. Or maybe the Destiny will stop at a planet where the cure is available in the plants or something.

[SupremeLegate]

What point is there in this board as a whole other than to air our opinions and see if someone else's are similar?


It is one thing to express opinions and thoughts, but joking about a person, fictional or not, getting an STD is neither of those. And is in fact just a juvenile since of humor.



I'd also like to know who we were insulting. Bill Lee? I personally haven't ever heard any dialogue about him being married or on a date. And by most people's standards, he's certainly not as good looking as Lt. Scott. Oh, he's also a fictional character so I doubt I insulted him too much.


Maybe you should have looked the word up before you responded to that, allow me to do that for you



An insult is an expression, statement (or sometimes behavior) which is considered degrading and offensive.


So while the fictional character might not find your statements insulting, I find them degrading and offensive, err go insulting.


But it is obvious to me that nothing I say will matter and you and your juvenile little buddies will keep making your insulting comments, so I am just going to ignore the lot of you.

[ReFRidgerator]

So while the fictional character might not find your statements insulting, I find them degrading and offensive, err go insulting.

Ok, maybe there's a rationalle behind all this "juvanile" behavior. For me its that I find Lt. Scott's realtionships with Lt. James and Chloe degrading and offensive. And the portrayl of Christianty that goes with his character offensive. I joke about him and the circumstances because I'm not comfrotable with him or the portrayl of his character. The jokes have probably gone too far and I apologize for anything offennsive I may have typed, but not for my opinon of Lt. Scott, and by extension Chloe, just how I expressed that opinion.

[Phantom6]

I apologize for nothing.

Scott's portrayed as a Man ho. He doesn't think ahead and he doesn't learn from his mistakes.

The character sucks.

[jelgate]

I apologize for nothing.

Scott's portrayed as a Man ho. He doesn't think ahead and he doesn't learn from his mistakes.

The character sucks.

;)


Character bashing. Every main character and cast member has a devoted fan following, so it's not conducive to the atmosphere we want to foster to outright bash one of the show's main characters. You can criticize a character to your heart's content, but please keep it constructive and tactful, and avoid outright hate.

http://forum.gateworld.net/faq.php?faq=faq_cat_basics#faq_rules

[SupremeLegate]

Ok, maybe there's a rationalle behind all this "juvanile" behavior. For me its that I find Lt. Scott's realtionships with Lt. James and Chloe degrading and offensive. And the portrayl of Christianty that goes with his character offensive. I joke about him and the circumstances because I'm not comfrotable with him or the portrayl of his character. The jokes have probably gone too far and I apologize for anything offennsive I may have typed, but not for my opinon of Lt. Scott, and by extension Chloe, just how I expressed that opinion.

I’m glad to see that someone was willing to admit that they had stepped over a line, however inadvertently; I wouldn’t mind hearing your reasons for disliking Scott.

[ReFRidgerator]

I’m glad to see that someone was willing to admit that they had stepped over a line, however inadvertently; I wouldn’t mind hearing your reasons for disliking Scott.

Thanks. Well, first of all he's supposedly Christian and he's getting into these inappropriate relationships one after another. Now of course no one is perfect, and I was willing to look past the Lt. James incident, and his past as errors. Now a regretful and repentant Lt. Scott would be interesting. But he keeps doing the same thing over and over. It's like he doesn't stand for what he claims to believe. And I guess I was also on track to be an Eli/Chloe shipper until her and Scott ended up together. It also looked like Scott and Eli could be friends, but Scott pretty much ended any chance of that happening soon. I mean I'm not obsessed with shipping. I guess I could have been called a McKeller shipper, but if TPTB had paired Ronnon with Keller it wouldn't hate Ronnon. The difference Ronnon has honor, and Scott, well he can't seem to make up his mind on what he wants or believes.

[SupremeLegate]

Well as much as I hate to defend Scott to be fair I think I should pose these questions. And if any of these have already been answered well then I was not paying enough attention.



first of all he's supposedly Christian


Do we know how Christian he is? Was he just raised Christian, is he a full on believer?



I was willing to look past the Lt. James incident


I don’t think there is enough information to make a call on that, course I think there was more too it than what we saw on screen.



his past as errors


Not to spoil anything, but I think his past is going to come back to haunt him soon.



But he keeps doing the same thing over and over.


True, but someone has to realize that they are making a mistake before they can change it.



I'm not obsessed with shipping


Me either, in fact this is the first time I have done any shipping. Ironically it is for the nice guy to get the pretty girl.

[Lord Hurin]

It is one thing to express opinions and thoughts, but joking about a person, fictional or not, getting an STD is neither of those. And is in fact just a juvenile since of humor.



Maybe you should have looked the word up before you responded to that, allow me to do that for you



So while the fictional character might not find your statements insulting, I find them degrading and offensive, err go insulting.


But it is obvious to me that nothing I say will matter and you and your juvenile little buddies will keep making your insulting comments, so I am just going to ignore the lot of you.

Ummm... ok... I didn't know that would offend anyone. It's not like we were saying anything about you. Yes, it's juvenile (although I personally didn't say anything about STD's, just about Scott having a lack of personality and needing his looks to get some) but how do you know that we're NOT juveniles? I could be 13 for all you know. I'm not, but that doesn't mean that I can't have a bit of innocent, immature fun every now and then, does it?

You calling "the lot of us" juvenile and immature is probably a worse offence than me speaking ill of Scott or Dr. Lee. While we were poking fun at fictional characters, you were flaming real people who you interact with.

Frankly, I'd like to know why you were so offended. Why did you take such exception to us having a moment of juvenile fun?

[ReFRidgerator]

Well as much as I hate to defend Scott to be fair I think I should pose these questions. And if any of these have already been answered well then I was not paying enough attention.




Do we know how Christian he is? Was he just raised Christian, is he a full on believer?
He was at least raised Christian by a priest, as indicated in Air part 3. And for his Kino recording he recited the 23rd psalm. So, his status is ambiguous and has been hinted at both ways.



I don’t think there is enough information to make a call on that, course I think there was more too it than what we saw on screen.
True, so the Chloe realtionship is the one by which most fans, me inclueded will probably juge him.


Not to spoil anything, but I think his past is going to come back to haunt him soon.
Well, I don't mind spoilers. Anyways, good point.


True, but someone has to realize that they are making a mistake before they can change it.
Yeah, in Air part 3 Lt. when Lt. Scott was talking to the priest/his adoptive parent he seemed to realize that his relationship with the girl who he got pregant was wrong. Now whether he just regrets the pregnancy or actually truely belives that he did the wrong thing entirely is unknown.



Me either, in fact this is the first time I have done any shipping. Ironically it is for the nice guy to get the pretty girl.
:) Yeah, but I think I've cahnged my mind on being an Eli/Chloe shipper. I mean Eli deserves better than to end up with someone who would lead him on, then run of with Lt. Scott of all people. I could understand if she ran off with Col. Shepard. lol. jk.
You make some good points. There are two sides to every story, it's just hard to see how Lt. Scott's side of things is. Maybe things will become clearer in time, then again maybe things are the way they appear to be. Only time will tell...

[wargrafix]

It is one thing to express opinions and thoughts, but joking about a person, fictional or not, getting an STD is neither of those. And is in fact just a juvenile since of humor.



Maybe you should have looked the word up before you responded to that, allow me to do that for you



So while the fictional character might not find your statements insulting, I find them degrading and offensive, err go insulting.


But it is obvious to me that nothing I say will matter and you and your juvenile little buddies will keep making your insulting comments, so I am just going to ignore the lot of you.

Wait, you are flaming people over fictional characters?..*Mmmmffpphhh* BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!


If the show is moving to the realistic end of the spectrum, then it might have to dead with a dose of reality. And STDs is an odd that scott has been rolling with.

[Teresa35]

I just took it as two friends joking around with each other, I didnt sense any weird like "Oh I can't wait till Scott never returns so I can have Chloe all to myself' vibe going on.

[Coronach]

I just took it as two friends joking around with each other, I didnt sense any weird like "Oh I can't wait till Scott never returns so I can have Chloe all to myself' vibe going on.

This is exactly how I viewed it as well :cool:

[Eternal Density]

Nah, Scott may get pwnd and get Dr. Lee's body or something. Then he wouldn't have the boyish good looks to cover up his lack of personality... :jonas:Ah, Dr Lee... *remembers that scene in Bounty* :D

[SupremeLegate]

Ummm... ok... I didn't know that would offend anyone. It's not like we were saying anything about you. Yes, it's juvenile (although I personally didn't say anything about STD's, just about Scott having a lack of personality and needing his looks to get some) but how do you know that we're NOT juveniles? I could be 13 for all you know. I'm not, but that doesn't mean that I can't have a bit of innocent, immature fun every now and then, does it?

You calling "the lot of us" juvenile and immature is probably a worse offence than me speaking ill of Scott or Dr. Lee. While we were poking fun at fictional characters, you were flaming real people who you interact with.

Frankly, I'd like to know why you were so offended. Why did you take such exception to us having a moment of juvenile fun?

Well lets see, the point of this message board is to discusses your opinions with others, in the case of this thread it is too discusses the dynamics of the relationship between Eli and Scott.

However, your comments do not do this.

Instead they are, as you agreed, just juvenile jokes. Jokes that made reference, in my mind, to STDs. And by making light of any disease, even in reference to fictional characters, then you are making light of what real people who have those diseases have to deal with.

And I find that repugnant.

Now if you wish discuss something on this message board, or the topic of this thread, then please do.

Otherwise, please leave.

[Lord Hurin]

Instead they are, as you agreed, just juvenile jokes. Jokes that made reference, in my mind, to STDs. And by making light of any disease, even in reference to fictional characters, then you are making light of what real people who have those diseases have to deal with.

And I find that repugnant.

Now if you wish discuss something on this message board, or the topic of this thread, then please do.

Otherwise, please leave.

Well, I was personally not making any references to STD's. My comment was on Scott body-switching with Bill Lee and no longer having the looks to pick up women like he once did. Nothing to do with having any sort of disease.

Conversations grow and change. The topics change, especially when they go on for 7 pages. Frankly, you don't have the authority to give me a slap on the wrist and tell me to leave; you're not a MOD. :P

[1138]

Instead they are, as you agreed, just juvenile jokes. Jokes that made reference, in my mind, to STDs. And by making light of any disease, even in reference to fictional characters, then you are making light of what real people who have those diseases have to deal with.


It would be realistic for STDs to become an issue on Destiny. Considering that 25% to 50% of the US population actually has herpes*, it would be highly unlikely that the people on Destiny wouldn't have an outbreak at some time. The stress and lack of antiviral medication would make the situation more serious and will also make spreading it to anyone who didn't already have it much easier.

* Yes, it really is that high. HSV-2 is about 17% in the US, and HSV-1 is as high as 58% (i.e. most people have it). See http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/50364.php

[Hallowed are the...]

Hi all. This is my first post ever...

I've watched Stargate from the beginning and have genuinely enjoyed it. Recently I have gotten my friends interested and we have some lively debates about all sorts of ridiculous stuff. Anyhow, just thought I'd wade into the Eli/Scott/Chloe mire with two cents I don't think I've read anywhere else.

What if Scott has a sex addiction. The scene with the priest and the concealing/reckless behaviors would be consistent with the symptoms of that disorder. It would also make the body swapping comment pertinent. A sex addict might try to use someone else's body for his or her own pleasure only to find the tables turned.

I also think the confined space of the Destiny and the relative leadership position of Scott will only make his acting out more acute. Might there be a TJ Scott interlude now that I understand the actress playing TJ is pregnant in real life? Fits in with the 'life is messy' themes of this show.

Can't say whether this would be an improvement. But I do like the subtlety of Brain Smith and David Blue in portraying an almost sibling rivalry over a girl who thinks of one as a brotherly figure herself.

[Radahldo]

It would be realistic for STDs to become an issue on Destiny. Considering that 25% to 50% of the US population actually has herpes*, it would be highly unlikely that the people on Destiny wouldn't have an outbreak at some time. The stress and lack of antiviral medication would make the situation more serious and will also make spreading it to anyone who didn't already have it much easier.

* Yes, it really is that high. HSV-2 is about 17% in the US, and HSV-1 is as high as 58% (i.e. most people have it). See http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/50364.php


The posts mentioning weren't mentioning herpes as some natural and realistic plot device, but more alike to a plague Scott himself unleashes on the ship by his own promiscuity; it was an insult, not any sort of serious discussion.

[SupremeLegate]

Well, I was personally not making any references to STD's. My comment was on Scott body-switching with Bill Lee and no longer having the looks to pick up women like he once did. Nothing to do with having any sort of disease.

Conversations grow and change. The topics change, especially when they go on for 7 pages. Frankly, you don't have the authority to give me a slap on the wrist and tell me to leave; you're not a MOD. :P

Those were just the reasons I reacted the way I did.

I'm looking forward to tomarrows epsidoe, if for no other reason then we will can get back to the topic of this thread.

[Lord Hurin]

Those were just the reasons I reacted the way I did.

I'm looking forward to tomarrows epsidoe, if for no other reason then we will can get back to the topic of this thread.

Ok, so what you're saying is you don't like thread derailing? Ok, next time I guess we should make a separate thread about Scott's body switching and herpes... ;)

[Eternal Density]

Ok, so what you're saying is you don't like thread derailing? Ok, next time I guess we should make a separate thread about Scott's body switching and herpes... ;)Perhaps, given that this thread started off being about:

"Don't worry, you'll run out of air long before we leave you behind."

Just two episodes ago that line would have had a very different tone to it. Am I the only one that detected a hint of menace in there? It's interesting because initially it looked like Scott and Eli were going to be buddies, but with the Chloe situation (which seems to be continuing in this ep) things have changed.

[Radahldo]

I think it's too much to expect that even recalls what was in the OP.

[Lord Hurin]

Perhaps, given that this thread started off being about:

Yes, I know. The conversation quickly changed to something different, though. I don't think this really prevented anyone from still expressing their opinions about the original topic though.

In any event, my comment was just to poke fun at the other poster who seemed to take personal offence to a few of us being "immature" and "making asses of ourselves." Imo, some people need to calm down about what's being said about tv shows and the fictional characters on them.

[Eternal Density]

I think it's too much to expect that even recalls what was in the OP.That's why I quoted it!

[Lord Hurin]

That's why I quoted it!

I remember what it was originally about. I'm not five or mentally challenged, and my memory lasts more than 3 seconds. Thanks.

Besides, I wasn't the first to derail this thing. I only actually got worked up when some dude told me I was humiliating myself then told me to leave based on stuff I didn't say.

[Eternal Density]

I remember what it was originally about. I'm not five or mentally challenged, and my memory lasts more than 3 seconds. Thanks.

Besides, I wasn't the first to derail this thing. I only actually got worked up when some dude told me I was humiliating myself then told me to leave based on stuff I didn't say.Whatever. Why are you telling ME this?

[SupremeLegate]

Why don't we all just drop it, move on, and return to discussing stuff regarding the show, specifically Eli and Scott since that is the title of this thread.

[Eternal Density]

I would be surprised if Eli didn't resent Matt even just a little, so I doubt his line about running out of air etc was meant entirely lightheartedly.
But I don't think Eli would go so far as to arrange an accident.

[SupremeLegate]

I would be surprised if Eli didn't resent Matt even just a little, so I doubt his line about running out of air etc was meant entirely lightheartedly.
But I don't think Eli would go so far as to arrange an accident.

I can see him giving Matt a hard time, I know I would, but if his life were in danger that Eli would do what ever he could to help, I think he proved that in "Water."


I predict that Eli and Chloe go to the club, where I assume Chloe runs into some of her friends. She gets crushed when she realizes that they were only her friends because of her position/father. Then Eli comforts her, building on the bond they already share.

Course as soon as the return to Destiny she will go running back into the arms of Matt, and Eli will look crestfallen again.

I would like to see an actual scene between Eli and Matt, so we can actually see the dynamic of their relationship now. Course if they only interact when necessary then that will pretty much tells us the same thing.

The same goes for Chloe and Matt; do they do anything other than make out?

So 3 things I want to see in this episode:

1. Chloe and Eli interacting.
2. Chloe and Matt interacting.
3. Eli and Matt interacting.

[Lord Hurin]

Whatever. Why are you telling ME this?

Thought you were accusing me. Anyway, this is a fun forum. I enjoy being thought of as the village douche. Yay derailing.

[wargrafix]

I would be surprised if Eli didn't resent Matt even just a little, so I doubt his line about running out of air etc was meant entirely lightheartedly.
But I don't think Eli would go so far as to arrange an accident.

Scott is bumbling.

[x-wing20]

I can see him giving Matt a hard time, I know I would, but if his life were in danger that Eli would do what ever he could to help, I think he proved that in "Water."


I predict that Eli and Chloe go to the club, where I assume Chloe runs into some of her friends. She gets crushed when she realizes that they were only her friends because of her position/father. Then Eli comforts her, building on the bond they already share.

Course as soon as the return to Destiny she will go running back into the arms of Matt, and Eli will look crestfallen again.

I would like to see an actual scene between Eli and Matt, so we can actually see the dynamic of their relationship now. Course if they only interact when necessary then that will pretty much tells us the same thing.

The same goes for Chloe and Matt; do they do anything other than make out?

So 3 things I want to see in this episode:

1. Chloe and Eli interacting.
2. Chloe and Matt interacting.
3. Eli and Matt interacting.

well your prediction was close.

[SupremeLegate]

well your prediction was close.

Yup, and it looks like "Time" will be the one where Chloe has to convince them to let her go off-world(ship?).

Now for another prediction:

From a spoiler I read for "Incursion" I predict that by the end of that episode that Chloe will know how Eli feels toward her.

[Radahldo]

Yup, and it looks like "Time" will be the one where Chloe has to convince them to let her go off-world(ship?).

Now for another prediction:

From a spoiler I read for "Incursion" I predict that by the end of that episode that Chloe will know how Eli feels toward her.

Is that really a prediction though? That seems more discearning when an event will occur during an episode you read the spoilers for.

[SupremeLegate]

Is that really a prediction though? That seems more discearning when an event will occur during an episode you read the spoilers for.

Well kinda, the spoiler tells me that a scene with two characters is goingto happen. I am predicting what the out come of that scene will be.

[Lord Hurin]

I can see him giving Matt a hard time, I know I would, but if his life were in danger that Eli would do what ever he could to help, I think he proved that in "Water."

I agree that Eli isn't the type to actually put someone's life in danger just to spite them. If he was, wouldn't he have been in jail already? I mean, he's a fairly stereotypical nerd so you have to think that the "jock" types have harassed him before in high school and soforth. If he went all vengeance on all of them, I doubt he'd have been around to go on this mission. Besides, Eli's best character trait (imo) is his friendliness and humour.


I predict that Eli and Chloe go to the club, where I assume Chloe runs into some of her friends. She gets crushed when she realizes that they were only her friends because of her position/father. Then Eli comforts her, building on the bond they already share.

Course as soon as the return to Destiny she will go running back into the arms of Matt, and Eli will look crestfallen again.

Had you seen Earth already when you wrote this? :P It's exactly what did end up happening, lol.


The same goes for Chloe and Matt; do they do anything other than make out?

2. Chloe and Matt interacting.

I'd like to see that their relationship is based on something more than sex. More interacting, less intercoursing please. Wow, I'm a 22 year-old male. Never thought I'd see myself typing something like that ;)


I also must apologize for my pervious irritability. Night shifts and no sleep all week kills me. :(

[SupremeLegate]

Had you seen Earth already when you wrote this? :P It's exactly what did end up happening, lol.


I have read some spoilers for the episodes, stargate-sg1-solutions.com, and combining that with my own life experiances, as well as figuring out the logic for the Eli/Chloe/Matt triangle.

In fact I have a list of predictions, I wonder how they will come to pass.



I'd like to see that their relationship is based on something more than sex. More interacting, less intercoursing please. Wow, I'm a 22 year-old male. Never thought I'd see myself typing something like that ;)


Given that it looks like all three of them will be off-world in "Time" I think we will see how the interact with each other. Personaly I am hoping for some friction between Chloe and Matt with her wanting to go off-world and him njot thinking she should.



I also must apologize for my pervious irritability. Night shifts and no sleep all week kills me. :(


I get that, I recently worked 11 days of 14 hour shift at the state fair, by the end I was :ronananime01: :mckayanime17:

[SupremeLegate]

Well Kino 18 looks to give us not only spoilers for “Time,” so watch at your own risk, as well as shows us a bit of the dynamic between Eli and Scott.

http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content...061/index.html

And judging by one line near the end, I am fairly certain that Scott actually know how Eli feels toward Chloe

[Carter1994]

SupremeLegate, I clicked on the link but it gave me an error message...?

I was poking around MGM today and found this: http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/1776/index.html, so I'm guessing they're leaning towards a friendly relationship.

[Tanie]

Even though these two are still quite young... 26 for Scott and I think Eli is 24 (?)... I believe that there will be a certain amount of 'issues' between them, I think they will get over it and have quite a good friendship at the end.