That....blasted Planet of the Apes reference... [Archive]

Shpinxinator

October 12th, 2009, 02:05 AM

techwork

October 12th, 2009, 02:09 AM

It is a pity that you're not Scott.

Jack_Bauer

October 12th, 2009, 02:14 AM

Eli was almost the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of me switching off SGU. I was VERY close.

reddevil18

October 12th, 2009, 02:14 AM

Shpinxinator

October 12th, 2009, 02:16 AM

Eli was almost the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of me switching off SGU. I was VERY close.

HOnestly I'm willing to give him a chance...I just...I think he accepted everything way to well....shouldn't he be scared? Worried about his mother? I mean I know the Aif Force is caring for her but still...Not acting like Hurley from Lost every chance he gets

reddevil18

October 12th, 2009, 02:24 AM

HOnestly I'm willing to give him a chance...I just...I think he accepted everything way to well....shouldn't he be scared? Worried about his mother? I mean I know the Aif Force is caring for her but still...Not acting like Hurley from Lost every chance he getsIt's a coping mechanism. Seriously, have you never met people like him in real life?

Shpinxinator

October 12th, 2009, 02:27 AM

It's a coping mechanism. Seriously, have you never met people like him in real life?

I have but there are some situations simply are to great for our minds to cope with....he went from a video game play couch potatoe living with his mom to being lost on the other side of the universe...in the same day. I mean...it would take a vastly strong will to not let that get on top of you....and carely he's not very strong willed or else he would whine so much.

Pat1487

October 12th, 2009, 02:28 AM

Not acting like Hurley from Lost every chance he gets

That planet of the apes line is something Hurley would say, infact i think he did make a planet of the apes reference when they saw the broken foot statue (its been a loooong time since ive seen it, but i think it was in there)

It felt forced in this though

It wouldve been better if he just squinted at some mountains in the distance and when asked what he was looking at he would say "I swore i saw a half buried statue of liberty out there"
And then the other characters would just look at him like hes going crazy
And thats it

Everyone that saw planet of the apes would get the reference

Shpinxinator

October 12th, 2009, 02:32 AM

It wouldve been better if he just squinted at some mountains in the distance and when asked what he was looking at he would say "I swore i saw a half buried statue of liberty out there"
And then the other characters would just look at him like hes going crazy
And thats it

Everyone that saw planet of the apes would get the reference

I completely agree....I guess my beef is he's to out there ya know? Heneeds to be dialed back a little

reddevil18

October 12th, 2009, 02:46 AM

I have but there are some situations simply are to great for our minds to cope with....he went from a video game play couch potatoe living with his mom to being lost on the other side of the universe...in the same day. I mean...it would take a vastly strong will to not let that get on top of you....and carely he's not very strong willed or else he would whine so much.
Not really. The fact that he falls back on his habit of making lame jokes in uncomfortable situations pretty much proves that he's not in control or strong-willed.{mod snip} The fact is that we can't know how a person might react in a certain situation until actually confronted with it.

Having said that, SGU offers a range of possible reactions. I mean, you have Rush, who has nothing to go back to and might possibly see this as the only thing worth living for. You have people who are used to being in control, now groping for it in a strange situation, like Wray. You have a nerd that, not unlike Rush, has nothing to go back to on Earth except a sick mother that is being taken care of by the USAF. But unlike Rush, he doesn't take it all as a "it's the only thing that matters" situation, but a "this is the most exciting thing that's ever happened to me" response. And you have the military type that fall back on their training, trying to keep a semblance of order.

Maybe Eli appears to have accepted the situation easily because, like I said, it truly is exciting for him. A dream come true, visiting alien planets. But you also get the sense that there's an uneasiness about him, which makes him crack all those stupid jokes in order to feel at ease.

Shpinxinator

October 12th, 2009, 02:51 AM

Not really. The fact that he falls back on his habit of making lame jokes in uncomfortable situations pretty much proves that he's not in control or strong-willed. I guess you just have a narrow way of looking at things, assuming that everyone would react in a certain way to the situation. The fact is that we can't know how a person might react in a certain situation until actually confronted with it.

Having said that, SGU offers a range of possible reactions. I mean, you have Rush, who has nothing to go back to and might possibly see this as the only thing worth living for. You have people who are used to being in control, now groping for it in a strange situation, like Wray. You have a nerd that, not unlike Rush, has nothing to go back to on Earth except a sick mother that is being taken care of by the USAF. But unlike Rush, he doesn't take it all as a "it's the only thing that matters" situation, but a "this is the most exciting thing that's ever happened to me" response. And you have the military type that fall back on their training, trying to keep a semblance of order.

Maybe Eli appears to have accepted the situation easily because, like I said, it truly is exciting for him. A dream come true, visiting alien planets. But you also get the sense that there's an uneasiness about him, which makes him crack all those stupid jokes in order to feel at ease.

I'm gonna ignore that little personal stab you took at me having a narrow point of veiw and just say this...

It's an assumtion that he has nothing on Earth besides a sick mother because frankly we weren't introduced to the character very well

MattSilver 3k

October 12th, 2009, 02:52 AM

Shpinxinator

October 12th, 2009, 02:53 AM

thekillman

October 12th, 2009, 03:05 AM

well after eli said that, rush told him to drink. it was clear that the heat messed with his mind

Pat1487

October 12th, 2009, 03:05 AM

Maybe y'all should wait and see if Eli gets 'toned down' or not. For now, I'm taking him as he is, the guy making jokes at inopportune moments 'cause his nervous, different to O'Neill's sarcasm in the face of a bad guy and Sheppard's snarky nature.
Maybe the Planet of the Apes reference wasn't that great, but I did like his line, "If you see the statue of Liberty, you know what to do." and Scott's "Yeah, sure." was funny to me.

I probably shouldve said that I like Eli as a character, it was just that line that bothered me, everything else was fine, and the "Can i get some pants" line was great

The 2nd part you mentioned was ok
I was actually hoping Scott would see the statue of liberty half buried, when he was hallucinating, i think that wouldve made the other 2 lines worth it

See...again I agree with that and I think thats all it should have been....

If thats all it was (without the line before it, explaining it) then that implies that Scott knows what planet of the apes is, giving his character something that they didnt want to give him (arbitrary scifi movie knowledge, something Scott shouldnt have judging from what weve seen so far)

Shpinxinator

October 12th, 2009, 03:11 AM

If thats all it was (without the line before it, explaining it) then that implies that Scott knows what planet of the apes is, giving his character something that they didnt want to give him (arbitrary scifi movie knowledge, something Scott shouldnt have judging from what weve seen so far)

I can dig that but...come on! it's Planet of the freaking Apes! That scene is pretty Iconic

renboy

October 12th, 2009, 03:39 AM

Eli has some great moments in the show, and is a much needed comic relief from time to time;
But this specific part was stretched a bit too much and was too 'in your face' kind of thing - I hope they would stick to the shorter snips.

A couple of much better snips from this episode were:

"Wouldn't that be convenient..." (at the beginning of the episode)
"I have a gun!"

Pharaoh Atem

October 12th, 2009, 04:44 AM

Girlbot

October 12th, 2009, 04:51 AM

I liked Eli's comments. Sometimes when someone is under stress they try to relieve it with humor, even what appears to be inappropriate for the moment.
Eli has been under a lot of stress and yet he has handled himself really well, so I'm giving him a pass on the planet of the apes thing. :)

EvilSpaceAlien

October 12th, 2009, 04:53 AM

Ok I understand the need for an "everyman" a comic relief but....Eli is a little....well he's pushing it...Honestly if I were Scott I would have put a bullet in his head the moment he started his little Planet of the Apes fit..

I'm not saying I HATE the character but...really...I hope he gets toned down a little

:eek: *slowly backs away from Shpinxinator....*

Really? Murder for bad jokes? Man, I hope we never run into each other at parties...:S
I quite liked the reference, as well as the fact that the rest of the crew doesn't react to his jokes. They don't see much humor in their situation, but due to his personality, he handles the same situation with nervous jokes. A lot of people hide their insecurities that way. I really like it.

I agree.
Eli is just dealing with his insecurities by making (or trying to make) jokes.

Encoder

October 12th, 2009, 05:03 AM

Really? Murder for bad jokes? Man, I hope we never run into each other at parties...:S
I quite liked the reference, as well as the fact that the rest of the crew doesn't react to his jokes. They don't see much humor in their situation, but due to his personality, he handles the same situation with nervous jokes. A lot of people hide their insecurities that way. I really like it.

Seriously, one of the better qualities of Stargate is it's ability to mix drama, combat, relationships, excellent storys and humor!

Without O'Neill, McKay (Sheppard some of the times) and Eli, we're talking about a bunch of stuff shirt scientists and a group of millitary people just, "working".

I get to see people working every day...it sucks!

:sheppard:

Encoder

October 12th, 2009, 05:06 AM

I mean...it would take a vastly strong will to not let that get on top of you....

Do you remember when Eli is talking with his mum on the "phone" and he said something to the effect of, "It's what I've always dreamed of".

For me, aside from the sheer fact that he was beemed aboard the Hammond (awesome way to get him on board btw!), from that point onwards I believe that Eli was adjusting all through the Daniel Jackson videos.

The rest of the trip would be standard, holy moly, this is happening, let's just get on with it kinda pressures. Nothing "too" much different than what he's been dealing with for the previous 48 hours.

But then again, I'm not psychologist!

:sheppard:

jsonitsac

October 12th, 2009, 05:13 AM

Eli is no Wesley Crusher, and besides how many of us here, if we were in a situation like that, could honestly say that we wouldn't have been making any Dune references?

thekillman

October 12th, 2009, 05:13 AM

well i'm glad Eli isnt the kind of guy who, every day, thinks about the jokes he can make. it just pops up in him and he says it. some of the SGA jokes were a bit too....clever.

jds1982

October 12th, 2009, 05:16 AM

EvilSpaceAlien

October 12th, 2009, 06:41 AM

I agree that the Planet of the Apes joke was annoying, but I don't blame the character for that, it was poorly written. Then again, some people just don't know how to make a joke, and Eli probably isn't the most socially adept person.

I believe that was intentional. The writers probably wanted it to look like Eli was stressed/insecure and attempting joke it off.

Rac80

October 12th, 2009, 06:49 AM

I liked eli's character until he wouldn't let the joke go.... then it was "oh no, this is going to get annoying fast...." sgu gave me a character I liked and then turned him into an annoyance within 3 hours....must be a record......

thekillman

October 12th, 2009, 06:57 AM

why does one joke make somebody dislikeable?

Infinite-Possibilities

October 12th, 2009, 07:01 AM

Yeah I thought it was kinda annoying. Eli looks like the type of character who might get really annoying if this happens all the time. It doesn't work as well as O'Neil or McKay's version of inappropriate comments because, I dunno Eli s just seems so over the top. He did the same thing in the first two parter episode when he tried to record their supposed final hours with a comical attempt drama to the Kino. I suppose we could wait to see why its being written this way, but if this is the only way they are going to introduce comic relief into the show, it may be a eventually more irritating than funny. Eli is a character that so far seems to be the type of character that is hit and miss in the same episode. He didn't really bother me THAT much other than the rambling about ''Planet of the Apes'' and I thought is his ''come oooooooooon'' at the end was pretty funny.

Rac80

October 12th, 2009, 07:05 AM

why does one joke make somebody dislikeable?

because he wouldn't let it go..... that was annoying. IMHO

Shpinxinator

October 12th, 2009, 01:47 PM

For the record...I'm not saying she should be shot for a joke...I'm saying that for soilders on a terrifying situation with little food water and blinding heat...I could see it happening

kirmit

October 12th, 2009, 01:53 PM

I agree that the Planet of the Apes joke was annoying, but I don't blame the character for that, it was poorly written. Then again, some people just don't know how to make a joke, and Eli probably isn't the most socially adept person.

I remember either reading or seeing an interview with David Blue where he mentioned that unlike himself Eli will say a joke even if he knows no one else will think it's funny but simply because he thinks it's funny.

Lightning Ducj

October 12th, 2009, 01:59 PM

I remember either reading or seeing an interview with David Blue where he mentioned that unlike himself Eli will say a joke even if he knows no one else will think it's funny but simply because he thinks it's funny.

I can empathize with that :)

creed462

October 12th, 2009, 02:10 PM

This also is most likely the most interaction with people other then his friends. You tend not to realize that some thing are not appropriate when your only socializing with a few people

Radz

October 12th, 2009, 02:11 PM

Eli is a complex mix. He's excited to be here obviously since the first thing he says upon arriving on the desert planet is "cool." He's living the game he solved the problem from (obviously Stargate Worlds) and he's liking it.

The whole joking thing is just his personality...granted, it might have been bad jokes, but I'm a lot like him. If I'm bored (which I'm sure he was) I like to crack jokes and the longer it is the worse they get (or if I'm suffering from exhaustion like he is).

Also, I could totally see myself doing the whole recording thing. It's a cliche thing to do that is shown in movies and television...and that's the point. Eli has been exposed to these types of things for all of 48 hours...he's just going by what he knows which is sadly Earth entertainment.

dahok

October 12th, 2009, 02:31 PM

I agree that the Planet of the Apes joke was annoying, but I don't blame the character for that, it was poorly written. Then again, some people just don't know how to make a joke, and Eli probably isn't the most socially adept person.

That was the problem, the presentation and format of those lines. Blue tried to work with it, but it was another failure from the writers.

Lightning Ducj

October 12th, 2009, 02:35 PM

That was the problem, the presentation and execution of those lines. Blue tried to work with it, but it was another failure from the writers.

I thought it worked quite well.

It wasn't supposed to be a funny line, either to the others or to the audience. It was meant to be a bit of a geek-joke from a geek to some other people that wasn't really funny, but it was supposed to be Eli's attempt to be funny that would fall very flat. As a joke, it was terrible. As a character moment showing Eli's attempt to help levitate the spirit of his new friends with some humour, and failing badly, it hit the mark.

Cold Fuzz

October 12th, 2009, 02:44 PM

because he wouldn't let it go..... that was annoying. IMHO

I don't dislike Eli. In fact, I'm wanting to like his character but...

If he starts following the footsteps of a certain annoying character that the two of us have come to loathe on SGA, I'm going to lose patience with Eli very quickly.

On the bright side though, Eli volunteered. That's something that a certain whiney, selfish, little brat of a character wouldn't do in Atlantis. Eli also has an interesting sense of wonder because all of this is new to him. I hope that TPTB follow up on that sense of wonder and adventure.

Avenger

October 12th, 2009, 03:16 PM

Ok I understand the need for an "everyman" a comic relief but....Eli is a little....well he's pushing it...Honestly if I were Scott I would have put a bullet in his head the moment he started his little Planet of the Apes fit..

I'm not saying I HATE the character but...really...I hope he gets toned down a little

BS. You wouldn't have put a bullet in his head. You would have looked at him and rolled your eyes then posted a thread on the internet claiming that you would put a bullet in his head.

Seriously, of course it was forced. Look at the way everyone else reacted to his joke. It was supposed to be forced.

Shpinxinator

October 12th, 2009, 05:02 PM

I can empathize with that :)

As can I...I used to be a skipper on the Jungle Cruise at Disneyland and half the jokes I made were more designed to make me laugh but still...

This is supposed to be a life and death barely any hope survivalist situation and I can dig that it was supposed to seem forced but....it didn't come across that way to me...it simply felt like TPTB felt the need to throw some comic relief in and well...were pressed for time

Dain

October 12th, 2009, 05:21 PM

I think you are overreacting completely over this scene.

Just look at how everybody else reacts to the bad joke. They are rolling their eyes just as much as we are. If that doesn't tell you that this is in no way intended as comic relief then I don't know what else you would need.

It's a character establishment moment that's there to remind us of one important side of his character - his geeky nature and social inexperience.

It was never meant to be funny, it was intended to show us Eli's continued attempts to get the others to accept him. He's only been with them for two or three days and still tries to fit in with the crew.
Plus, he was dehydrated, desperate to lighten the mood and under considerable stress. People don't invent stand-up comedian-material under these circumstances.

Phantom6

October 12th, 2009, 06:54 PM

Really? Murder for bad jokes? Man, I hope we never run into each other at parties...:S
I quite liked the reference, as well as the fact that the rest of the crew doesn't react to his jokes. They don't see much humor in their situation, but due to his personality, he handles the same situation with nervous jokes. A lot of people hide their insecurities that way. I really like it.

Exactly.

Some people jump into the leader role.

Some fall to pieces.

Others become the jester.

In a lot of cases it's the smart ones who try to take on the role of the comedian in stressful situations, being able to process data faster and being able to see, and hopefully, diffuse tense situations to keep others going.

Eli rocks.

Encoder

October 12th, 2009, 07:24 PM

The whole joking thing is just his personality...granted, it might have been bad jokes, but I'm a lot like him.

I personally don't see them as "bad" jokes per-se, more of a nervous joking that can be excused.

But there is a limit!

JackO'Neill

October 12th, 2009, 07:30 PM

Encoder

October 12th, 2009, 07:37 PM

The problem is Eli is the only one for these comedy moments & it really shows. Just about everyone else is taking the situation seriously while SG-1 had Jack then eventually Daniel wised up a bit to Jack & Teal'C & then Daniel & Vala & SG-A had Rodney & most people around him responding to him sarcastically while everyone in SG-U just tells Eli to shut up. Having only one "funny guy" in this show will kill the "funny guy"

Like I've said before, one of the most awesome qualities of the show is it's ability to incorporate humor.

Sometimes they do it at ideal times, and sometimes it's not the most ideal, but either way, it's good to be light hearted at times!

Eternal Density

October 12th, 2009, 07:40 PM

Eli is no Wesley Crusher, and besides how many of us here, if we were in a situation like that, could honestly say that we wouldn't have been making any Dune references?David Blue certainly did that, as he mentioned in the GateWorld interview. But it didn't make it on camera. :P

UniverseSizePlotHole

October 13th, 2009, 03:47 AM

If Scott has said to Eli "I'm telling you how you can help me, suck it up and comb the desert!" instead would that have been better?!?! I appreiciated the moment for what it was meant to be - character exposition and some humor.

thekillman

October 13th, 2009, 03:55 AM

The problem is Eli is the only one for these comedy moments & it really shows. Just about everyone else is taking the situation seriously while SG-1 had Jack then eventually Daniel wised up a bit to Jack & Teal'C & then Daniel & Vala & SG-A had Rodney & most people around him responding to him sarcastically while everyone in SG-U just tells Eli to shut up. Having only one "funny guy" in this show will kill the "funny guy"

oh yes, far away, no way home, about to die. lets all be funny, people. just so we die laughing instead of surviving without a laugh

ipfnd

October 13th, 2009, 04:27 AM

Honestly if I were Scott I would have put a bullet in his head the moment he started his little Planet of the Apes fit..

I'm not saying I HATE the character but...really...I hope he gets toned down a little

You seriously think this? It's a bit harsh dude

Pepermint Jaffa

October 13th, 2009, 05:47 AM

Ok I understand the need for an "everyman" a comic relief but....Eli is a little....well he's pushing it...

Well, people that tell bad jokes do exist in real life. I see Eli as playing out in real life what he had always daydreamed about. I think things will eventually sink in. Plus, there were a couple situations in the pilot when Eli did get serious.

Honestly if I were Scott I would have put a bullet in his head the moment he started his little Planet of the Apes fit..

Um, ok. I doubt that. But the Scott characters has been kind of annoyed with Eli from the beginning. So maybe Scott does feel the same way about Eli's jokes (not that Eli deserves to die for telling them, but rather than they are annoying).

Aside from all that, I think it's too early to come to any conclusions about any of the characters.

Teethingbiscuit

October 13th, 2009, 06:22 AM

Found it funny, "You know what to say, right?" You can't get to this line by other means so I found it all right to go through the motions.

Pond Hopper

October 13th, 2009, 08:06 AM

lightbringer

October 13th, 2009, 08:13 AM

personally, while hating the planet of the apes and the joke, can see why it was put in there. as stated before its showing how eli deals with these situations, but i also think he's not completely realised just how screwed they are just yet, personally hoping in a episode to come he snaps and from that point on is slightly less annoying

on the flip i think some of the other sgu guys are over reacting, yeh sure thier a long long long way from home with pritty much 0 chance of getting home and the ships fallng apart, but as humans, especially of this age, isn't getting to explore the universe something we all dream of? if given the chance id love to be out there with them """"ing myself becuase of impending doom but loving every minute of it. i also think id end up like eli, making every joke possible

Infinite-Possibilities

October 13th, 2009, 08:39 AM

The real question here now is "Is it supposed to be funny or was it supposed to be awkward?"

Lightning Ducj

October 13th, 2009, 08:42 AM

The real question here no I supposed is "Is it supposed to be funny or was it supposed to be awkward?"

Short Answer: "Awkward"

Long Answer: Depends
For Eli: it was supposed to be funny
For those who heard it: It was supposed to be awkward.
For us: It was a character-filling-out moment to see Eli's attempt at humor and the awkward reaction

thekillman

October 13th, 2009, 08:49 AM

i think it was supposed to be.... well, eli's attempt at a joke.

seriously, have you guys NEVER had one moment when you were talking with people you do not know very well, and you made a joke, and everyone is like, "is it a joke or something else?"

because i had.

Pepermint Jaffa

October 13th, 2009, 09:01 AM

The real question here no I supposed is "Is it supposed to be funny or was it supposed to be awkward?"

Funny or awkward is in the eye of the beholder. ;)

I didn't think it was funny, but some people did. But what was it supposed to be? Both?

AVFan

October 13th, 2009, 12:58 PM

Funny or awkward is in the eye of the beholder. ;)

I didn't think it was funny, but some people did. But what was it supposed to be? Both?

To me it was funny because it was awkward. I know I love to entertain myself, even when other people don't get it, and it makes all the sense in the world that Eli would at least try to make himself feel better with a joke. Movies are really all he knows about death or scary situations, and for him to relate his situation to a movie/video game makes perfect psychological sense IMO. Of course, I'm not a shrink, but I have seen movies. ;)

Avenger

October 13th, 2009, 01:09 PM

I find Eli useless and unnecessary.

Also, isn't it wierd that he appears to be completely obsessed with games and sci-fi but doesn't know how to use a gun? Anyone who watches one action film knows the basic mechanics of guns!

Spoken like someone who has never handled or fired a gun. Seriously. Watching guns used on TV and playing video games is not anywhere near having a gun handed to you in a situation where you might actually have to use it to defend yourself.

Pond Hopper

October 13th, 2009, 01:45 PM

Spoken like someone who has never handled or fired a gun. Seriously. Watching guns used on TV and playing video games is not anywhere near having a gun handed to you in a situation where you might actually have to use it to defend yourself.

<mod snip>

He should know enough to be able to physically use the gun, and he seemed much more confident after that other guy showed him how which leads me to think that when he said "I don't know how to use a gun!" that he actually didn't know how to use it.

Now if some evil alien or one of the scientists tried to kill him, I don't know if he'd be confident or competent enough to fire at and hit something (Rodney for instance). My point was that, knowing how to load and fire it, not whether he'd be useful in a fight.

Aww, you made me rant :(

Jimmylad89

October 13th, 2009, 03:30 PM

My mates and I often tell bad jokes for a laugh and personally looking back that joke kind of made my hour it was a bit off a crappy episode to be honest.

Like the entire SG franchise the 3rd ep of the 1st season as sucked in my opinion.

Cold Fuzz

October 13th, 2009, 03:44 PM

I find Eli useless and unnecessary.

Also, isn't it wierd that he appears to be completely obsessed with games and sci-fi but doesn't know how to use a gun? Anyone who watches one action film knows the basic mechanics of guns!

Then you should have absolutely no problem handling my boss's beretta when a 300-pound guy on PCP is rampaging towards you from 10 feet away, right?

Since you've got the situation covered, I'll tell the deputies and rangers at work to go code 7 at a Denny's and take a break while you take care of business. Don't worry, we'll wait for you.

Pond Hopper

October 13th, 2009, 04:43 PM

Then you should have absolutely no problem handling my boss's beretta when a 300-pound guy on PCP is rampaging towards you from 10 feet away, right?

Since you've got the situation covered, I'll tell the deputies and rangers at work to go code 7 at a Denny's and take a break while you take care of business. Don't worry, we'll wait for you.

When did I ever imply that I wouldn't have a problem with that? Stop trying to start an argument.

My point was that he'd know how to physically use it, whether or not he'd be able to pull the trigger on someone is a different matter, but that's not where his problem was.

Shpinxinator

October 14th, 2009, 02:25 AM

Ok...all threats of bullets in the head aside

I personally think Eli's chacacter to be similar to Tayla's....kind of serves a perpose but...not really

UniverseSizePlotHole

October 14th, 2009, 04:53 AM

SGU - Air 3 "statue of liberty" was premeditated by Eli. Plus fact that Eli mentioned it a second time.
SGA-38 Minutes "So you got yourself a cling-on" by Beckett wasn't

If Eli goes to town with premeditated nervous comedy it might get old quickly for me. (Read that I'd actually start feeling embarrassed on his behalf LOL) but if it as we go along is like Beckett I wouldn't see it as a character defining more as quirk then that's cool.

I guess I need to check out David Blue's personality to see if what we see there is inpu/reflected into the character.