David DeLuise Returns *SPOILERS*

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http://www.gateworld.net/news/episodeupdate.html#newsitem1084390319,54135

David DeLuise returns as Samantha Carter's boyfriend in multiple episodes in Season 8.

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AHHH!! AH!!! NO!!! In MULTIPLE episodes? Why are they doing that? *dies*

[Mio]

::votes that Pete get accidentally caught in the vortex that forms before the Stargate opens::

[David85]

So sad, all earth based love story episodes, what a joy. I hope he dies, he kind of has to because of the Sam/Jack thing.

[epiphany]

I liked Pete alot and liked him and Sam together, so I'm very glad he's coming back(though I hope to god they don't concentrate the storylines on ship, when did this show turn into "As the Stargate Turns..."?). I just hope they don't do anything to ruin the character, like turning him into a bad guy.

I'm so sick of the love stories though. What's weird is, I thought it was "us chicks" who were supposed to be all hopped up on romance all the time(not this chick but that's the stereotype)? Yet ALL the writers on the show are men, all the producers are men, all the directors(excepting one appearance by AT) are men and most of the actors are men but the writers can't seem to get the love bug out of their system. They won't be happy until they've got them all paired off and making sure we know they are having sex regularly. :rolleyes:

I don't give a darn who, or if, any of them are erm....let's just say...happy at home, I want to see a team of friends & colleagues, who go out on adventures and defend the world from baddies, get themselves into and out of trouble and help humankind which has been dispersed throughout the galaxy.

[SaberBlade]

i am glad he is back. hopefully he and sam will live happily ever after. i am tired with the Jack/Sam relationship. they have had so long to get together and never did so the Jack/Sam relationship possibility is over, if the writers haven't did anything after this long chance are they never will have Sam and Jack get involved with each other and as far as i am concerned, as long as Pete doesn't get involved with the SGC he won't die.

he didn't know about the SGC and he almost died. getting involved will just bring the curse of Sam onto him and it would be a shame to see another possible relationship go out the window

[ShadowMaat]

I'm so glad I'm not petty or childish enough to actively wish for the death of a fictional character! http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/contrib/lynx/redmad.gif

I love Pete. I think he's fantastic for Sam. Unfortunately, I shudder to think that TPTB are going to do to him in any upcoming appearances since they've made it pretty obvious that his sole purpose in life is to be The Obstacle. From the sound of the spoilers for his first appearance, things are NOT going to be good. The vague hints about the "discussion" don't exactly inspire confidence, either.

I wish I could look forward to his appearances. Leave it to TPTB to make me dread seeing a character I love. :(

I will agree, however, that we've had MORE than enough ship (of ANY pairing) to last us the rest of the series. Leave it to hints and comments. Let's concentrate on what the show is really about: exploration, defense, and blowing things up! ;)

[earck]

Don't get me wrong Carter does deserve someone, but it will never seem right unless she is with Jack.

So as for Pete, I say OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!

[Dani347]

If it weren't for the fact that ship on the show is pretty nauseating (at least the overt stuff they have now) and that Sam has been playing "the girl" for too long, I would want Pete for as many episodes as possible, being her boyfriend in such a way that there would be no mistake, and Jack shaking his hand and telling him that Sam's a lucky woman to find him.


But, what I really want is Pete integrated into actual Stargate stories, and making it to the end of the series, alive and well. And, with Sam, if she deserves him.

[David85]

i am glad he is back. hopefully he and sam will live happily ever after. i am tired with the Jack/Sam relationship. they have had so long to get together and never did so the Jack/Sam relationship possibility is over, if the writers haven't did anything after this long chance are they never will have Sam and Jack get involved with each other and as far as i am concerned, as long as Pete doesn't get involved with the SGC he won't die.

he didn't know about the SGC and he almost died. getting involved will just bring the curse of Sam onto him and it would be a shame to see another possible relationship go out the window


Did you even see season7 and the Lost City? I mean the ship couldn't have sailed anymore, it was even rated TV-PG-DVS because of the sex that was between Jack and Sam. :-D

Honestly it was rated S for sex, it's pathetic because it only happened after the Super Bowl crap, and we all know there has never and will never be sex in Stargate.... hopefully because it could turn into Enterprise.

[Dani347]

Did you even see season7 and the Lost City? I mean the ship couldn't have sailed anymore, it was even rated TV-S because of the sex that was between JJack and Sam. :-D

*Dani soaks board in vomit*

[binkpmmc]

That's my problem - Sam doen't deserve him because he is not good enough for her (my vote - Barrett). Sam deserves someone who will respect her and her position in the Air Force and at the SGC. Sam also deserves someone who would not walk out on her after their first time together just because he didn't get his way (that really bugged me too as well as the rest of his antics).
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IMO he is just waaaay too immature and, the more I think about it - just plain goofy and not in a good way. Don't wish him dead or anything just out of Sam's life for all the reasons I have posted previously. I am disillusioned with this whole pete thing and with love lives in general in this show - it's not a soap.
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I hope and pray that one of the scenes in New Order during the "torture" by Fifth includes the thrashing Sam gives pete for, what IMO was, the appalling behaviour towards Sam, as well as the subsequent apology from pete to Sam. I also hope it includes the reprimand from Jack and/or the SGC for the stakeout nonesense and subsequesnt apologies by pete to the rest of SG1. If not in New Order then hopefully in the second ep he's supposedly going to be in because as has been said many times they cannot leave this huge hole open and allow Carter's character to suffer for it, IMO.

[ShadowMaat]

*Dani soaks board in vomit*

Here ya go, Dani: http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/kotzen.gif

There's one actually vomiting (explosively) onto another smiley, which is very tempting, but I'll try to show SOME restraint. :P

hehe

[SamCarter83]

I just want to say that I am totally upset that *cough* Pete is coming back. It's not that I hate the guy but he is a plane horrable match for Carter! And im sorry but I can't seem to shake that "stalker" image of him even though he wasn't intending it to be stalker-ish. I sure would like to know what he thought it was! ;p

[Malinne]

Do TPTB have any clue how many people (Yes...shippers)are leaving the Stargate fandom? Having been burned in the past by series, whose producers have capitalized on the ratings by playing off the relationships, only to dump them as the series drew to a close, shippers see the writing on the wall with the return of Pete. Frankly, they aren't taking it anymore. They are leaving the series.

I am a shipper, and I have refused to give up hope. Even after Chimera, TPTB played with the Sam/Jack ship. I'm frustrated.

[Shipperahoy]

O.k. Well regardless of the fact that I think that the writers made a huge mistake on the likability factor for Pete towards the end of Chimera and ignoring the fact that I'm a shipper this news still bugs me.

Is there still a Stargate sitting around somewhere? Are they perhaps going to visit other planets next season? Would it be too much of a stretch to ask if we will perhaps see some aliens? Last season touched pretty well on the characters personal lives (some more than others) and I really don't think that we need more of the same next season. I don't need the angst filled "should I give up my career and go have kids with Pete" (yack) discussion nor do I need more of the Pete- he's just an obstacle between Sam and Jack so that we can have long angst filled looks between Sam and Jack-Shanahan. And I don't need "the let's go house hunting with Teal'c and watch while he makes it with a troubled Earth girl and hijinks insue" episode either. And have there even been any spoilers about Daniel other than the fact that apparently he speaks Japanese? Is he still on the team?

Whew. That was kind of cathartic. I think I'm having sort of an off day. I guess I should wait and see how the season actually goes before I start complaining too much. But that would be level-headed and logical and really what fun would that be.

[Elwe Singollo]

I don't think Pete should come back. Simple as that.

[ShadowMaat]

I guess I should wait and see how the season actually goes before I start complaining too much. But that would be level-headed and logical and really what fun would that be.

You've been hanging around me too much. Muahaha. http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/scorchio/sevil.gif

[the dancer of spaz]

http://www.gateworld.net/news/episodeupdate.html#newsitem1084390319,54135

David DeLuise returns as Samantha Carter's boyfriend in multiple episodes in Season 8.

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AHHH!! AH!!! NO!!! In MULTIPLE episodes? Why are they doing that? *dies*

I'm with you. I think I even made the same statement. Don't get me wrong, I like David DeLuise, and I want Sam to be happy, but this is... ech. No good. Poor David. I feel bad for him. He's a nice guy, really, and it's a good character that he's created, but I would really prefer him in more of a "friend" capacity. Not only for that whole "Sam/Jack Thing," but because of the whole "Earth-Like Romance" thing. :)

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For instance, the Teal'c and Neighbor Romance? Hmm... I'll keep my fingers crossed on that one. I'd like Teal'c to be happy, too, but I'm more of a fan of that Ish'ta person. Also, I'm glad they haven't delved too much into the whole Daniel/De-Goa'ulded Sarah thing, although I thought that I read somewhere that they are going to. *shrugs*
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Alright, Spoilers are over.

Either way they go, I'll still watch, because the show is good and the characters are awesome, but still...

[epiphany]

Whew. That was kind of cathartic. I think I'm having sort of an off day. I guess I should wait and see how the season actually goes before I start complaining too much. But that would be level-headed and logical and really what fun would that be.

There, there, now you just get it all out! :) It's good to vent and I enjoyed listening to it. :)

I just don't get these guys obsession with romance. I am just living in absolute fear of their inevitable Daniel/Sarah plotline. In one of the interviews Michael Shanks and Christopher Judge did with Cult Times during their tour in January, one of the things Michael said (regarding wanting bittersweet ending for his character): "I'd always like to go out that way than to end it with a soppy violin love chord and hold hands with somebody as they walk off into the sunset" because he thinks it would be shortchanging all the frustration, pain and hardship Daniel's had.

I do like the way that boy thinks, I almost squealed when I read it. :D

There is a whole universe out there to explore and for some reason the writers seem to want to bind them to Earth, interacting with more Earthlings whilst shacking them up with someone of the opposite sex along the way.

I don't even want to start in on what they've done to Sam. Then we get Teal'c in a Lifetime mystery movie of the week.

That said I like Pete, but I'm afraid for him. :)

[ShadowMaat]

I'd like to go on record as saying that I am deeply disturbed and sickened by some of the comments I've been reading on this thread. I don't care if Pete IS a fictional character, that's no excuse for the death wishes and similarly nasty thoughts! The writers must feel that there is SOMETHING left in the Sam/Pete storyline to be told if they're going to bring him back and I for one am looking forward to seeing it. Maybe a bit warily, but I'm writing it down as an ep (or two) I actually intend to watch.

Some of you people need to take a couple of steps back and maybe try some deep breathing exercises because you are taking this all WAY too seriously. There are ways of expressing yourself WITHOUT resorting to violent comments and ill wishes. Just because you (general you) don't like a character does not mean that everyone hates that character. How would you feel if someone said they wanted Jack to get tossed into an incoming wormhole? Or runover by a train? Or ripped apart by rabid gerbils?

And think about this: the chance that David will read these posts is very slim, but it is NOT impossible. You may not be expressing your thoughts about him directly, but you ARE making them about a character he's played. How would YOU feel if someone shredded something you had done? A fic, a vid, a part in a play? What if there was no constructive criticism involved, it was just an outright attack against your creation/personification? I'm guessing that most of you wouldn't like it.

Try to show a little respect. You can hate a character without demonizing him. Pete is NOT the Antichrist! And if you CAN'T show any respect, if you loathe the character SO much, with every fiber of your being, then maybe you shouldn't be posting anything about Pete at all. At least not in the general threads where general fans are going to be seeing it.

Some of you are beginning to frighten me.

[SaharaGate]

Love David DeLuise......but I'm far from happy about Pete returning (hello, I'm a Sam/Jack shipper). Though it was to be expected.

As long as he doesn't turn evil (too predictable and simplistic....see Alias), doesn't die (too predictable and simplistic), doesn't follow Sam around (too predictable and...weird), doesn't marry Sam and have her babies LOL ( :eek: ) and doesn't take her on any more dates (please, spare us), then sure, let's have him back. So that he can exit the show gracefully. Or if not the show, just Sam's (love)life.

At first I was horrified that he would be around for multiple episodes (simply because I didn't like the way he was written, nothing against D Deluise), but the reality is that it's necessary. Just dropping him from the show would make Sam look, well not just confused but schizophrenic. :rolleyes:

I can understand why they introduced the character (he's a foil for S/J) and how he is supposed to open up new doors for Sam and give us an insight into her personal life, hopes, dreams etc....but I felt the character fell short of all this.

So much so that I have rewritten the Pete plot of Chimera (me trying to erase it completely would be too predictable and simplistic ;) )

We see Sam pull in to her driveway on her Bike. She finds a harness at her doorstep with a note attached. It reads:

I'll pick you up tomorrow at 0700. Bring a change of clothes.

Next Day, picks her up with his 4WD and they go rock climbing. When they get to the top, it's an amazing view. He has a big pack that he carried with wine and chocolate and gourmet sandwiches (not too much wine or they'll fall off the cliff). Sam loves it because she's forgotten she doesn't have to be off-world to see amazing sights. But she looks discontent. Pete asks about the Stargate program - she puts him off. The mood is broken.

That night they go out for Grourmet pizza. Sam gets to wear a dress. Pete gets to see Sam wearing a dress. They go back to her place (cringe) and things heat up, but Sam still shows signs of being uncomfortable.

She wakes in the morning to find Pete using her laptop (in all innocence - he's supposed to be a GOOD guy) .She thinks **hey, I thought I would be the workaholic**.
Unfortunately, she'd taken her work home with her and Pete found it...lots of evidence that freaks him out. He demands to know the truth and they argue. Sam gets paged to the SGC for an emergency. Episode ends with Pete trying to look angry, not worried.

Note that he doesn't follow her or call the FBI because he already knows she's a Major, that her work is classified and that it either has something to do with other planets or has some really trippy code-names.

There. Plenty of relationship angst for them to play with, without Sam being followed. Then in Season 8, we could have something weird happen to Sam (insert suitable alien virus/entity/psychotic episode here) on a date and instead of taking her to the hospital, Pete, who’s got a clue by this point, takes her to the Cheyenne Mountain and demands to be let in. Jack happens to be topside and when he sees how bad sam is, contacts Hammond. Jack takes pity on Pete and Hammond agrees to let him in, but he's kept away from the Gate. If we MUST find a way for him to know about the program, the strange things he saw can be the catalyst, thus removing the “I can’t tell him about my job so the relationship can’t work” issue. That way, when Pete gets serious about their future and Sam finds herself less smitten than before, we’ll know it’s for no reason more extraordinary than that he’s not the right guy for her. While she’s figuring this out, TPTB can insert no end of S/J UST and angst, as long as they remember the other two members of SG1 are still around and that big round thing that takes you to other planets. Other planets would be real nice to see.

And that was my alternate reality version of Season 7/8. This version, I could have handled – knowing as I do that Jack will win out in the end. This Pete, I would have at least found believable. The Pete we got left me feeling sorry for Sam, not envying a romantic relationship.The Pete we got appeals to me about as much as...a big ball of wax.

Ok. I'm in a silly mood. Staying home sick for 3 days will do things to your brain....

And in conclusion ;) Pete in multiple episodes next year? I'm scared.... :(

[bcmilco]

Love David DeLuise......but I'm far from happy about Pete returning (hello, I'm a Sam/Jack shipper). Though it was to be expected.

As long as he doesn't turn evil (too predictable and simplistic....see Alias), doesn't die (too predictable and simplistic), doesn't follow Sam around (too predictable and...weird), doesn't marry Sam and have her babies LOL ( :eek: ) and doesn't take her on any more dates (please, spare us), then sure, let's have him back. So that he can exit the show gracefully. Or if not the show, just Sam's (love)life.

[sniped for length]


Yeah, that about sums it up for me. ;)

Really liked the re-write BTW. :p

[Madeleine]

Well if it's a good story I'll be happy to see such a nice, fun character come back. I just get a bit :S when I look at the spoilers for the season so far in their totality. All the others seem to be pretty much all Earth-based so far, and I honestly can't think of a way Pete could be in it without it being set on Earth, or largely on Earth.

Anyone remember the Big Round Thing?

[SaharaGate]

Yeah, that about sums it up for me. ;)

Really liked the re-write BTW. :p

Awww, thanx!!

See everybody? Not all shippers want to forget about Pete completely. We just want him handled in an intelligent manner...

[SaharaGate]

I'd like to go on record as saying that I am deeply disturbed and sickened by some of the comments I've been reading on this thread. I don't care if Pete IS a fictional character, that's no excuse for the death wishes and similarly nasty thoughts! The writers must feel that there is SOMETHING left in the Sam/Pete storyline to be told if they're going to bring him back and I for one am looking forward to seeing it. Maybe a bit warily, but I'm writing it down as an ep (or two) I actually intend to watch.

It's ok Shadow. Not everybody wants to see Pete die...

Some of you people need to take a couple of steps back and maybe try some deep breathing exercises because you are taking this all WAY too seriously. There are ways of expressing yourself WITHOUT resorting to violent comments and ill wishes. Just because you (general you) don't like a character does not mean that everyone hates that character. How would you feel if someone said they wanted Jack to get tossed into an incoming wormhole? Or runover by a train? Or ripped apart by rabid gerbils?

You should take some deep breaths too (not that what you're saying is without merit...far from it). And if someone said that about Jack, I'd either think it was a joke or think they must be a few fries short of a happy meal lol coz I LOVE Jack. :D

And think about this: the chance that David will read these posts is very slim, but it is NOT impossible. You may not be expressing your thoughts about him directly, but you ARE making them about a character he's played. How would YOU feel if someone shredded something you had done? A fic, a vid, a part in a play? What if there was no constructive criticism involved, it was just an outright attack against your creation/personification? I'm guessing that most of you wouldn't like it.

If David does read this thread, I hope he realises the majority of people are offering either constructive criticism, criticism with good, if sometimes unexplained, reasons or actually want to see him back.

Try to show a little respect. You can hate a character without demonizing him. Pete is NOT the Antichrist! And if you CAN'T show any respect, if you loathe the character SO much, with every fiber of your being, then maybe you shouldn't be posting anything about Pete at all. At least not in the general threads where general fans are going to be seeing it.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you are (at least partially) talking about the Shippers....and if you aren't then well, it's possible to read it that way because the Shippers are probably the most vocally disapproving of Pete. So I'll just pipe up to say that many (if not most) Shippers - in my opinion - don't want to see bad things happen to Pete. If they express this wish, it's probably only in jest, mainly confined to the shipper thread, as a method of venting their frustration. Even then it is often with the 'potatoe' euphemism and intended for laughs, not to conjure (ooh conjure) real images of violence. I don't recognise any of the people in this thread who have said he should die as shippers (though I could easily be wrong).

I think everyone just wants the story line handled intelligently, for it to be believable - one way or the other - and for Pete to seem like somebody Sam would fall for - whether temporarily or permanently. Unfortunately, for a lot of people, this wasn't the case. For someone who is a HUGE Sam fan, it would have been difficult to watch her in a relationship if you thought it was damaging to her, a relationship in which she wasn't being treated the way she should be.

But I agree, that's no reason to treat the actor badly or to wish a quick death upon a charcter (coz that's just bad storytelling!). I don't think that's what people are meaning to do though.

At least I would hope not...because, yes, that can be offensive. At least in the shipper thread Pete-bashing is understood not to be serious.


Some of you are beginning to frighten me.

Don't be frightened! :) I'm sure it's a minority.

It looks to me like the people that disliked Pete are worried, the people that liked Pete are worried and the people that don't care either way are probably worried too. So if TPTB wanted controversy, they've got it. :rolleyes:

[Catysg1]

i am glad he is back. hopefully he and sam will live happily ever after. i am tired with the Jack/Sam relationship. they have had so long to get together and never did so the Jack/Sam relationship possibility is over, if the writers haven't did anything after this long chance are they never will have Sam and Jack get involved with each other and as far as i am concerned, as long as Pete doesn't get involved with the SGC he won't die.

he didn't know about the SGC and he almost died. getting involved will just bring the curse of Sam onto him and it would be a shame to see another possible relationship go out the window


With the amount of Sam/Jack shipper all over the net ...and the 1000 videos about them too.I don't think the ship is over ..between S/J ..far from it. :D
But Sam can have an outside boyfriend for the time being..just don't want to see him too much unless he is mythology related...and no bedroom scene cuz we already had it.....and no kiss either unless she's thinking about Jack :p


Caty ;)

[Catysg1]

Well if it's a good story I'll be happy to see such a nice, fun character come back. I just get a bit :S when I look at the spoilers for the season so far in their totality. All the others seem to be pretty much all Earth-based so far, and I honestly can't think of a way Pete could be in it without it being set on Earth, or largely on Earth.

Anyone remember the Big Round Thing?



Oh ..you mean the new round table in the briefing room!!!!! :D :p ;) :rolleyes:



Caty

[Major Samantha Carter]

SaharaGate, just wanted to let you know that I found all your comments to be intelligent and right on the mark. I, for one, would like to see the character of Pete handled intelligently and the events of last season acknowledged (where Pete had the FBI guy look into her background and when he followed SG-1 on the stakeout).

[ShadowMaat]

If David does read this thread, I hope he realises the majority of people are offering either constructive criticism, criticism with good, if sometimes unexplained, reasons or actually want to see him back.[

"Pete should be shoved through the vortex of an incoming wormhole"? "OFF WITH HIS HEAD"?? This sounds neither constructive nor like "criticism with good reasons." And no, in this case I can't take a joke, especially because I don't get the feeling that these people are kidding.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you are (at least partially) talking about the Shippers....

It's directed at shippers and anyone else who want simply for the character to die, no matter what. A majority of them may be shippers, yes, but I know that not ALL of them are.

If they express this wish, it's probably only in jest, mainly confined to the shipper thread, as a method of venting their frustration.

I've written a couple of fluffy parodying fics that kill off Daniel even though I don't honestly wish to see the character disappear again, so I suppose I'll have to grant some leeway on the subject, but somehow a lot of the comments I'm seeing here don't seem as if they're intended to be funny... or they seem light-hearted only because the person posting the death wishes takes such absolute joy in the thought of Pete's demise. Could be a matter of perspective, I guess, but it still doesn't sit well with me.

I think everyone just wants the story line handled intelligently, for it to be believable - one way or the other - and for Pete to seem like somebody Sam would fall for - whether temporarily or permanently. Unfortunately, for a lot of people, this wasn't the case. For someone who is a HUGE Sam fan, it would have been difficult to watch her in a relationship if you thought it was damaging to her, a relationship in which she wasn't being treated the way she should be.

If they want the story handled intelligently, they should hire different writers. :P Sadly, I really do think that's the only way it'll happen because I get the sense that TPTB are set to demonize Pete right alongside the fans.

I am a very big fan of Sam and I feel that her "feelings" for Jack have been far more damaging to her character than anything associated with Pete. Even with my truncated viewing, season seven has done more to diminish my love of Sam (and Jack, for that matter) than in all the other seasons combined and the most obvious reason for that is the Sam/Jack storyline. Even when she's supposed to be involved with Pete she's still moping after Jack!

Pete has done some less-than-stellar things, but I found them acceptable within the context of the story and Jack isn't exactly a saint, himself. ;) Different contexts? Maybe. But I still think that Pete acted out of love and concern and not out of some sick desire to control every aspect of Sam's life. Jack has done some pretty terrible things himself out of concern for the welfare of humanity, things I haven't always liked or agreed with, but he did them because he felt that he HAD to and I don't think that Pete's reasoning is all that different. Just more personal.

I'm one of the ones who would like to see Sam married off to Pete. I think he's far better for her than Jack could ever be. Unfortunately, I also know there isn't a chance in hell of that happening because TPTB are a bunch of Sam/Jack shippers and while they may get off by tormenting the shippers occasionally, in the end their goals are the same: Sam & Jack forever! I find it very depressing. It's one of the reasons I've stopped watching. I much prefer a show where I am allowed to decide whether or not I see ship and where I don't have it shoved down my throat all the time.

If you Sam/Jack shippers hate being taunted with Pete, just imagine how we non-Sam/Jack shippers feel having the S/J ship thrown in our faces. It isn't a pleasant feeling but at least you all can rest knowing that Pete will eventually go away- after all, he's just The Obstacle. For us (or for me at least), I/we know that we're doomed to more and more blatant S/J ship for the rest of the show's life and that the finale will likely end in a very pro-shippy way. Be glad you're on the winning side. Let us have our small victories while we can.

[astronomicalchick]

http://www.gateworld.net/news/episodeupdate.html#newsitem1084390319,54135

David DeLuise returns as Samantha Carter's boyfriend in multiple episodes in Season 8.

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AHHH!! AH!!! NO!!! In MULTIPLE episodes? Why are they doing that? *dies*

Pete's back. Bummer. :(

[ShadowMaat]

ITogetherness for Sam/Jack is No.1 (no Pete Shanahan is number 7, btw). Ahead of any of the other story arcs, ahead of team adventures (that isn't even listed). I'm kind of depressed reading that. I guess shippiness really is the number one thing fans care about. :S

Who wants great action/adventure storytelling when you can have cheap melodrama and generic soap opera instead?

[SaharaGate]

"Pete should be shoved through the vortex of an incoming wormhole"? "OFF WITH HIS HEAD"?? This sounds neither constructive nor like "criticism with good reasons." And no, in this case I can't take a joke, especially because I don't get the feeling that these people are kidding.

See now statements like that I wasn't defending... :o



It's directed at shippers and anyone else who want simply for the character to die, no matter what. A majority of them may be shippers, yes, but I know that not ALL of them are.

Thats what I thought. I'm not defending everyone - far from it - just saying there are many that don't want Pete to burn eternally or anything. Not that you were making unfair sweeping generalisations, I just thought your post presented a good opportunity to rant lol. :p

I've written a couple of fluffy parodying fics that kill off Daniel even though I don't honestly wish to see the character disappear again, so I suppose I'll have to grant some leeway on the subject, but somehow a lot of the comments I'm seeing here don't seem as if they're intended to be funny... or they seem light-hearted only because the person posting the death wishes takes such absolute joy in the thought of Pete's demise. Could be a matter of perspective, I guess, but it still doesn't sit well with me.

That's what I was getting at with the S/J thread...most - not all - I believe take it less than seriously. I say this because some of the same people who say they want Sam to realise she wants Jack and break up with Pete, rather than having Pete die or turn evil will sometimes make 'potatoe' comments. Along the lines of mashed potatoes...(not me I swear).

But I can absolutely see how that is offensive.


If they want the story handled intelligently, they should hire different writers. :P Sadly, I really do think that's the only way it'll happen because I get the sense that TPTB are set to demonize Pete right alongside the fans.

Lol. I don't think the powers expected him to be demonized to this extent....they certainly would have expected a reaction, and lots of unthinking horrible comments, but I get the impression his actions weren't initially intended to be so controversial. Then again, controversy = discussion/arguing = publicity.

I am a very big fan of Sam and I feel that her "feelings" for Jack have been far more damaging to her character than anything associated with Pete. Even with my truncated viewing, season seven has done more to diminish my love of Sam (and Jack, for that matter) than in all the other seasons combined and the most obvious reason for that is the Sam/Jack storyline. Even when she's supposed to be involved with Pete she's still moping after Jack!

Sadly, you are not alone on this. Quite a few shippers agree. In fact there was a discussion on the shipper thread recently which had people questioning whether they were on the right thread lol.

Pete has done some less-than-stellar things, but I found them acceptable within the context of the story and Jack isn't exactly a saint, himself. ;) Different contexts? Maybe. But I still think that Pete acted out of love and concern and not out of some sick desire to control every aspect of Sam's life. Jack has done some pretty terrible things himself out of concern for the welfare of humanity, things I haven't always liked or agreed with, but he did them because he felt that he HAD to and I don't think that Pete's reasoning is all that different. Just more personal.

Yes, more personal. And the good of humanity is slightly different than the good of your new girlfriend. I guess what bothered me is that the relationship was still fairly new, so it was fairly out of line (in my opinion) for a guy you've known a few weeks - a month at the most. Don't think it was a sick desire to control every aspect of Sam's life but it still didn't sit well with me. And, since we're comparing him to Jack, I gotto mention that Jack trusts Sam(and has been in a relationship...friendship...with her for 7 years), and trusts his whole team, completely and unconditionally and vice versa - doesn't always agree or listen as he should, but he trusts their motives, their reasoning etc. It felt like Pete was very mistrusting of Sam, and trust is just so important when forming the basis of a relationship.

I'm one of the ones who would like to see Sam married off to Pete. I think he's far better for her than Jack could ever be.

I'm happy to agree to disagree on that one. Pete isn't pure evil as some seem to suggest and I think his intentions are basically good, but I don't think he's the best guy for Sam. And I don't want to see her married off to anyone really...don't want a wedding even to Jack (though I doubt you are saying you want her to walk down the ramp in the gateroom dressed in white, with hammond throwing rice in the air huh ;) )

Unfortunately, I also know there isn't a chance in hell of that happening because TPTB are a bunch of Sam/Jack shippers and while they may get off by tormenting the shippers occasionally, in the end their goals are the same: Sam & Jack forever! I find it very depressing. It's one of the reasons I've stopped watching. I much prefer a show where I am allowed to decide whether or not I see ship and where I don't have it shoved down my throat all the time.

If you Sam/Jack shippers hate being taunted with Pete, just imagine how we non-Sam/Jack shippers feel having the S/J ship thrown in our faces. It isn't a pleasant feeling but at least you all can rest knowing that Pete will eventually go away- after all, he's just The Obstacle. For us (or for me at least), I/we know that we're doomed to more and more blatant S/J ship for the rest of the show's life and that the finale will likely end in a very pro-shippy way. Be glad you're on the winning side. Let us have our small victories while we can.

I can absolutely sympathise with that. Even though some shippers are doubting the overall scheme of things, I'm fairly confident Sam and Jack will end up together in some shape or form eventually.

That must be really hard for non-shippers or anti-shippers or Sam-Pete shippers.

Then again, the shippers aren't super happy about it either....there are concerns the powers will muddy the waters too much in the meantime.

What I'm getting at is that *cue violins*, we are all fans of stargate, we all watch the same show, we all want engrossing storylines and authentic relationships btw characters. If you prick me, do I not bleed...LOL! :D And we all seem discontent about SOMETHING at the moment....hmm.

Anyway I agree with the spirit of your statements - ie that real death wishes on a character you don't like are childish, unnecessary and disturbing and that there is no place for them on a general forum.

The psychotics anonymous forum is another matter... ;)

[SaharaGate]

Shadow...

Here's one I prepared earlier ;)

I've pulled over a post of mine from the shipper thread. It quotes Shipperahoy, who is basically saying what you are saying. Just thought you'd like to know that your point of view isn't being ignored.

Everything I say is about the shippers on that thread, not anybody who has expressed views about Pete on this thread or others.



Originally Posted by Shipperahoy
Can I just take a moment to go off on a little rant here? And I want to make it clear that I'm not posting as a mod but merely expressing a pet peeve of mine.

I just want to say that I find the recent more and more violent posts toward Pete somewhat disturbing. And I'm not targeting this thread I'm just posting here because I know that everyone here is not particularly fond of Pete, including myself. But does anyone else find the "Die, Pete, Die!" sentiments to be a little much. I don't really want to see Pete again and I most certainly don't want him to end up with Sam but I don't want to see him die a horrible death either. Am I alone in this? Does anyone agree with me?

I agree with you 100%.

Wishing him dead is not the solution.

In fact I just posted a long thing about this, kind of defending the shippers, over at the season 8 thread where the new pete spoilers are (the name escapes me just now), saying that I think most of the shippers say nasty things about Pete only on the shipper thread, and only to vent and to be humorous - which is why the whole potatoe thing started. It's childish and not very productive, but at least it isn't meant maliciously.

I find it very disturbing if anybody actually goes around with the 'die Pete die' or similar mantra and truly believes in it.

Even if they don't really believe it and mean it to be light-hearted, there should be some indication - especially outside of the shipper thread - that it is meant that way.

I don't think I've ever said anything bad about Pete - apart from some sighing and grumbling and some upset smilies - but I'll be more cautious in future anyway.

And on that note....BED

We need a snoozing smiley.

[star1928]

I really don't wish Pete to die. That's just a little too cliched, and it continues that "Black Widow Curse" of Sam's. I do, however, want to see him get what he deserves from Sam- the whole stalking thing was not the smartest move the guy has ever made. I have to say, though, that I did like Pete, and I think they have created a great character in him. However, I completely disagree with what he did, and I hope that Sam will realize that this season.

[Aardie]

I know that somewhere deep down in my heart I should be all ticky that Pete is still sticking around. At this point though - I don't really care.

For me personally, I like to stick with the "Same deserves a guy" concept. Why should she have to wait around for Jack to be ready to start a real relationship? It ain't exactly fair, and I doubt that many people do that in RL. But somehow, it is OK in the media because "they're meant to be together".

Just because Sam is with Pete doesn't mean that she can't dump his sorry ass at any point. And just because Sam is meant to be with Jack doesn't mean that she isn't allowed to have some fun along the way. She isn't bound to either in that kind of way - nor should she need to be.

About what he did? Yeah - I agree that it was completely and utterly stupid and I can't wait for his butt to be kicked for it. But not every guy that Sam lays eyes on should be the AntiChrist. It isn't fair to all of those guys out there in the galaxy, and it ain't fair to her, is it?

That's my two cents anyway. Let's not limit Sam to one or the other,but be open to ALL of the possibilities, eh?

[the_fours]

i agree with you shadow some people are so hostile, its unfortunate we cant all get along with eachother without putting people and character, even the good one's down.

[Elfinwood]

I am so tired of Pete. Tired of the fact that the writers seem to think that personal stories about the team have to necessarily be about them and someone else rather than the team's own interpersonal relationships. If this is really to be the last year, wouldn't it be more of a tribute to the cast and their characters to come full circle and show how they have changed as teammates and friends from season 1? No need for Pete or the girl-next-door or anyone else like that...just good solid interplay between Jack and Sam and Daniel and Teal'c. Oh...and the Stargate!

[epiphany]

I don't see how "letters" to a site like Gateworld can be considered a testament of how most fans feel. I have no doubt one could gather just as many opinions against ship if one went to other places.

Also, Sam would have to be stupid if she didn't "know" what Pete did even before she revealed the existence of the Stargate to him. Her file is flagged, any time it gets looked at it is going to be reported--so they'd already know and have figured out that Pete was behind that through his FBI friend and Sam would have been informed.

But even leaving the "flagged file" out of it, are we supposed to believe she thinks Pete just happened to be walking down that residential street in Colorado Springs at the time she happened to be leaving that van? It's ridiculous.

The only way for him to have gotten there was for him to have followed her all day the day before and spent the night there. So for them to have Sam claim ignorance is just totally unbelievable.

More than that Pete was going to the door of the van BEFORE Sam got out of it, that is why he was right there when she stepped out. That means he was going to reveal his presense there to her himself. So he'd have to tell her why he was there anyway, because that is what he was going to do in the first place. That means he was going to take the consequences for it as well.

If the writers play it any other way, it becomes utterly unbelievable and ridiculous, imo.

[Madeleine]

That must be really hard for non-shippers or anti-shippers or Sam-Pete shippers.

We're used to it! After all the interviews AT used to give saying that she didn't want a romance between Sam and Jack and didn't want to end up Jack's girl, after we spent years happily watching a show where none of the main characters seemed to feel a need to distract us from the SF and the adventure by gazing longingly at each other, after really enjoying the platonic and professional relationship Jack had with Sam, after various PTB have told us that there would be no more ship after episode X, or that episode Y exists to put an end to ship... well we're used to not getting what we thought we'd been promised or what we wantedto see or what we once fell in love with the show for ;)

[ShadowMaat]

...we're used to not getting what we thought we'd been promised or what we wantedto see or what we once fell in love with the show for ;)

TPTB didn't secretly hire Chris Carter, did they?? That would explain a LOT. From the crappy storylines to the poor characterization to the painting of Sam as a weepy inconstant girly girl to the blatant in-your-face ship which directly countermands promises made to the fans... I'm definitely getting X-Files flashbacks... and not just 'cause of some storyline similarities. :P

[Ugly Pig]

If they want the story handled intelligently, they should hire different writers. :P Sadly, I really do think that's the only way it'll happen because I get the sense that TPTB are set to demonize Pete right alongside the fans.
I wouldn't be too sure. I just listened to the DVD audio commentary for 'Chimera' the other day, and they talk about how Pete will return in an episode called something like "Pete is back and he's still a nice guy". (Yeah, they said that!) They also said that Pete and Sam may take their relationship to "the next logical level", whatever that means. They didn't elaborate, they were just throwing out a few hints... But I wouldn't count Pete out just yet. :)

[ShadowMaat]

I wouldn't be too sure. I just listened to the DVD audio commentary for 'Chimera' the other day, and they talk about how Pete will return in an episode called something like "Pete is back and he's still a nice guy". (Yeah, they said that!) They also said that Pete and Sam may take their relationship to "the next logical level", whatever that means. They didn't elaborate, they were just throwing out a few hints... But I wouldn't count Pete out just yet. :)

Out of politelness (and a rare moment of tact) I won't comment except to say that I sincerely hope you're right. However, I hope you don't mind if I don't hold my breath. ;)

[Ugly Pig]

Dang. I was really hoping you'd hold your breath. :D

[the_fours]

oh shadow your so sinicle, anyway i dont mind looking on to see how the sam/pete things progresses, i have high hopes for this.

*hoping they dont get shot down like a UAV*

[bcmilco]

[snip]
More than that Pete was going to the door of the van BEFORE Sam got out of it, that is why he was right there when she stepped out. That means he was going to reveal his presense there to her himself. So he'd have to tell her why he was there anyway, because that is what he was going to do in the first place. That means he was going to take the consequences for it as well.

If the writers play it any other way, it becomes utterly unbelievable and ridiculous, imo.

Okay fine. He's Mr. Perfect and he's going to confess all... BUT you don't do that in the middle of stake-out, of all the bad times to confess ones short comings you don't do it in the middle of an on-going operation, AND as a cop he should know that.

So Either they wrote him that way for a reason, OR it was really sloppy writing that makes the character look bad, but that's just my opinion.

[Hawkeye]

IS THE SPOILER INFO A JOKE? I have read the description for the opening ep for S8 several times -- cannot believe TPTB will allow the magnificent TLC 1&2 to be "paid off" with something as lame as Carter being tortured by images of ... Pete?! ... in Montana?! Is "Atlantis" sucking up all of MGM's focus and money so SG-1 is now on autopilot and about to run out of fuel?!

[Teal'c]

If you're putting all your energy into hating a fictional television character, to the extend that you wish he was dead and actually makes you uncomfortable to see him/think about him/hear others like him, then there is something severly wrong with you (You being several people in this thread)

Pete is a nice guy, he was just took his curiosity over the top (For god sake was going out with a woman who worked strange hours and could disapear for days at a time! :P)

[tera'ngan]

Well, I have to say that I am looking forward to the plot of the first episode (forgot the title already) where Fifth plays mindgames with Sam and pretends to be Pete. In that context, I'm actually looking forward to the Pete character coming back. Sounds like some interesting mind-twisting type stuff, as long as it is written the right way. The interplay between those three characters could be very well played and entertaining in a dramatic sort of way.
As for Sam staying with Pete, I'd have to say no thanks. Even if the "stalking" thing didn't bug me (which it does), I felt the character had some serious maturity issues; not only was he was manipulative, he was very controlling. I thought it was very interesting from the interviews that I have read from both Amanda and David, that the character was neither written nor played with that intent, and yet a lot of people interpreted him like that.
One night Sam says "no," so the next night he buys her roses and takes her dancing so she'll say "yes?" Then she says "yes" and the next morning when she doesn't tell him something he wants to know he throws a tantrum, tries to make her feel guilty (for doing the right thing) and then pouts? And it just goes downhill from there. Would you date someone who did stuff like that? Ever know anyone in RL who has? I'll bet they were miserable and your advice to them was to get out of that one as soon as possible.
To all the anti-shippers out there, I would say yes, I'd love to see Sam happy. But I don't see the "happy" here. Just because his name isn't "Jack" doesn't mean it's automatically a good thing. Personally, I think Pete came along right after she had her "Grace" realization and she went for it without thinking too much and he was in the right place at the right time and just got lucky.
Which is really too bad - 'cause I love all the DeLuise boys ;)

-tera'ngan

[epiphany]

All that interrupting the stake out means is he made a mistake, he had a moment of bad judgment(who knows he may have felt so guilty he felt he had to immeidately confess). And let's face it he suffered far more than anyone else for that error, he was seriously wounded.

But that isn't why people are "mad" at him and "hate him" and want him pushed into an opening wormhole--they aren't calling him a "stalker" and saying he's controlling abuser waiting to happen because he chose a bad time to interrupt a stakeout. They are saying it because "he lied to her and he hasn't told her", because "he stalked her", because "Poor Sam just doesn't know what a creep he really is", etc, etc.

And I'm saying going by the end of Chimera, I'D have to assume that Sam did in fact know exactly what Pete did and had most likely thought about it and possibly even talked to Pete about it(one of those "off-screen" things the rest of us are told is where moments we think need to be show happen). It makes Sam and the whole SGC look like utter idiots to try and claim "Oh Sam didn't know and now when she finds, she'll send Pete packing" considering the rest of episode, such as the file which would have been flagged or most importantly that Pete was even anywhere near her stakeout and walking to the van door at that inopportune moment. That could only happen if he'd followed her or in some other manner been informed of her whereabouts.

[bcmilco]

Let me state up front, and make it 100%, crystal clear, that I don't hate Pete, I just don't like him, or the way he was writen.

If, as many articles seem to indicate, Pete was supposed to be written as a nice guy then they should have been a lot more careful about the plot holes they introduced into the episode that make him look less then "good" IMO.

I shouldn't needed someone to come along and TELL me he was a good and nice guy. I should have been able to see that in both halves of the episode, but because of the crappy writing for the second half of the episode he came across, to me, as having some less than desirable traits. Traits that IMO are not conducive to a healthy and long-lasting relationship, nor were they traits that the Sam Carter, I thought I knew, would accept from anyone. So if this character has me a little... upset it's because I feel like they've forced a square peg into a round hole and expect us to be happy about it.

[bcmilco]

All that interrupting the stake out means is he made a mistake, he had a moment of bad judgment(who knows he may have felt so guilty he felt he had to immeidately confess). And let's face it he suffered far more than anyone else for that error, he was seriously wounded.

I don't buy that for one reason in particular. That being that he was there all night if he was feeling that guilty why didn't he tell her when he pulled out his binocs. or when he first arrived at the stake-out. It's poor writing, just to get him to a place where he could break the "Black Widow Curse" which I've always thought to be the biggest joke around, and not worthy of TV time. However they could have worked it in, in such a way that didn't make him look so bad if they had done it differently.

And I'm saying going by the end of Chimera, I'D have to assume that Sam did in fact know exactly what Pete did and had most likely thought about it and possibly even talked to Pete about it(one of those "off-screen" things the rest of us are told is where moments we think need to be show happen).

And like all the people who are told that I'm saying "show it", if the SGC knew I want to know they knew. Otherwise I don't buy it.

I find it hard to believe that Jack would let anyone follow him onto a top secret mission, because that person becomes an unkown in the situation, a liablity.

And yet when Pete does get involved we have no reaction from Jack. If Jack knew ahead of time they should have showed us so we knew he knew, or at the least told us after the fact, but they didn't. Sloppy writing.

It makes Sam and the whole SGC look like utter idiots to try and claim "Oh Sam didn't know and now when she finds, she'll send Pete packing" considering the rest of episode, such as the file which would have been flagged or most importantly that Pete was even anywhere near her stakeout and walking to the van door at that inopportune moment. That could only happen if he'd followed her or in some other manner been informed of her whereabouts.

I agree it does make the SGC look like utter idiots, but it also makes them look like utter idiots for not pulling Pete aside, when that never-seen file got flaged, and asking him "what do you think you're doing? You're in way over your head, back off, this is a matter of national security." At the time the folder got flagged they should have done that, but they didn't.

So either way the SGC look like idiots IMO. It's sloppy, sloppy writing.

[epiphany]

Traits that IMO are not conducive to a healthy and long-lasting relationship, nor were they traits that the Sam Carter, I thought I knew, would accept from anyone. So if this character has me a little... upset it's because I feel like they've forced a square peg into a round hole and expect us to be happy about it.

Yeah plenty of us have been feeling that way a long time about how the show has been written. I'd say that is pretty much how a good many of us have felt about Sam n' Jack, about how Teal'c and Daniel have been written(or not written as the case may be), about how the characters have been made to behave because the writers have some "kewl" idea for a plot, who cares how they have to twist the characterizations to make it work. So welcome to the club. :)

[epiphany]

I don't buy that for one reason in particular. That being that he was there all night if he was feeling that guilty why didn't he tell her when he pulled out his binocs. or when he first arrived at the stake-out. It's poor writing, just to get him to a place where he could break the "Black Widow Curse" which I've always thought to be the biggest joke around, and not worthy of TV time. However they could have worked it in, in such a way that didn't make him look so bad if they had done it differently.


And like all the people who are told that I'm saying "show it", if the SGC knew I want to know they knew. Otherwise I don't buy it.First off I wasn't saying he was feeling guilty, I was just saying that it was just as likely a reason as because he was lying creep trying to control Sam's life.

I find it hard to believe that Jack would let anyone follow him onto a top secret mission, because that person becomes an unkown in the situation, a liablity. And yet when Pete does get involved we have no reaction from Jack. If Jack knew ahead of time they should have showed us so we knew he knew, or at the least told us after the fact, but they didn't. Sloppy writing.

How would Jack have known Pete was following him? BY THE TIME Sam talked to Pete at the end of the episode, not before that. The SGC would have known and Sam would have known all this by the time we saw the scene in the infirmary where she tells him about the Stargate.

I agree it does make the SGC look like utter idiots, but it also makes them look like utter idiots for not pulling Pete aside, when that never-seen file got flaged, and asking him "what do you think you're doing? You're in way over your head, back off, this is a matter of national security." At the time the folder got flagged they should have done that, but they didn't.
So either way the SGC look like idiots IMO. It's sloppy, sloppy writing

How could they, they would't have put it all together until AFTER the fact. All that stuff happened within a 24 hour period(from the file being looked at to Pete getting injured).

But they, and Sam, definitely would have known by the scene in the infirmary and by then Pete had seen some stuff that seemed fairly inexplicable. Which means they weight their options, did a background and security check on Pete and decided he could be brought in on the secret.

However I do think the writing was sloppy but the writing lately usually is. They seem to like to leave plotholes big enough to drive a truck through.

[ShadowMaat]

And like all the people who are told that I'm saying "show it", if the SGC knew I want to know they knew. Otherwise I don't buy it.

Well, I didn't find it particularly believable that Daniel was miraculously able to remember everything in the blink of an eye and I thought it was incredily lazy, shoddy writing to have it all happen "off screen", but it did.

This is another case where TPTB let us "assume" that these important plot points are occurring... we just don't get to see it.

There are MUCH better ways to have handled the Pete character and still have him get involved with the action/be told what's happening. SaharaGate provided a good example. Even if they'd kept the scene exactly the same and just used the one bit with the computer... it wouldn't have taken up any more time than the whole "checking up" scenario and it would have Painted a MUCH nicer pic of Pete.

The fact that the writers chose to do thing the way they did says that they either lack imagination, they lack any sensitivity and assume folks won't mind what Pete did, or that it was completely intentional and they really ARE trying to paint him as, to quote Joe Mallozzi, "the cloying new boyfriend." None of those options are particularly pleasant, but... well, you all know how I feel about that. ;)

[bcmilco]

How could they, they would't have put it all together until AFTER the fact. All that stuff happened within a 24 hour period(from the file being looked at to Pete getting injured).

Okay I was under the impression it was more like 48 hours, but it's been a while since I've seen it so I'll take your word on it.

But they, and Sam, definitely would have known by the scene in the infirmary and by then Pete had seen some stuff that seemed fairly inexplicable. Which means they weight their options, did a background and security check on Pete and decided he could be brought in on the secret.

The whole 'lets tell Pete' thing bugs me too. Steven Raynord(sp) from "The Curse" saw basically the same thing (glowing eyes, a hand-device in operation) and acording to Daniel they told him a cover story. Or Catherine from "Torment of Tantalus", she already knew about the progarm and yet they wouldn't tell her that they had re-started the program. I would have like to have seen/heard their reasons for telling Pete when they didn't tell these two people.

Oh, I can rationalize the whole 'tell Pete' thing with: now he's bound by confidentiality and if he talks he's a traitor, etc etc, but I should have to when all it would take is one scene to explain most of this stuff away. :S

[bcmilco]

Well, I didn't find it particularly believable that Daniel was miraculously able to remember everything in the blink of an eye and I thought it was incredily lazy, shoddy writing to have it all happen "off screen", but it did.

This is another case where TPTB let us "assume" that these important plot points are occurring... we just don't get to see it.


Daniel's "off-screen" remembering didn't bother me as much and I think that has to do with the fact that I already knew what he was going to be remembering, I wouldn't have minded seeing him remembering a few of the more important moments but because I know the character I can guess how he'll respond. Where as Pete is a new character I don't really know what his motives are, and by what they gave us in the second half of the episode it became even more unclear to me. So for Pete what they left out changes my preception of his character, where as leaving out some of Daniel's remembering doesn't change the fact that I like him.

There are MUCH better ways to have handled the Pete character and still have him get involved with the action/be told what's happening. SaharaGate provided a good example. Even if they'd kept the scene exactly the same and just used the one bit with the computer... it wouldn't have taken up any more time than the whole "checking up" scenario and it would have Painted a MUCH nicer pic of Pete.

Yes, thank you for understanding.

The fact that the writers chose to do thing the way they did says that they either lack imagination, they lack any sensitivity and assume folks won't mind what Pete did, or that it was completely intentional and they really ARE trying to paint him as, to quote Joe Mallozzi, "the cloying new boyfriend." None of those options are particularly pleasant, but... well, you all know how I feel about that. ;)

I think they were trying to go with "The nice guy, who Sam will decide isn't for her", and that's the route I'd like to see it go, but right now it looks a lot more like "the cloying bf" to me. :S

[ShadowMaat]

So for Pete what they left out changes my preception of his character, where as leaving out some of Daniel's remembering doesn't change the fact that I like him.

Ah, but I was furious about the omission regarding Daniel and I ended up finding him less believable/likeable because of that glossing over. Not Daniel's fault, I know, it's TPTB, but it's one of the biggest grievances I have with the past season and it's because of their failure to act on this opportunity- as well as their general habit of smoothing over inconvenient "lumps" by having them take place offscreen- that left me as disgusted with the show as I currently am.

The lack of follow-up on what Pete did didn't bother me as much. Partly because I don't think it was as criminal as a lot of people seem to think it was and also because, by that point, it was exactly the sort of sloppy storytelling I'd come to expect from TPTB. See? I CAN lower my standards! :P

Sad to say, but at this point nothing will convince me that TPTB's intentions were/are honorable where Pete is concerned. I'm gonna cut myself off right there before I become too overly critical of them. Just know that I'm thinking really negative thoughts. ;)

[bcmilco]

Just know that I'm thinking really negative thoughts. ;)

I never doubted it :p

[ses110]

I think the bottom line is if TPTB did not want Sam and Jack together that's fine.TPTB should have done one or two things.

1) TPTB should never have written any Shippy episodes between Sam and Jack

2) TPTB should have stopped the ship after Season 1 or 2.I would not have liked it but I could have accepted it and moved on since it was still early in the show.

We are now in Season 8 and it is too late to stop the Sam and Jack Ship.It is not realistic to expect the Shippers to sit by and not complain after TPTB created and pushed the Ship between Sam and Jack.I have no problem with David Deluise but I Find it hard to accept Pete's actions in Chimera.

[prion]

[QUOTE=Malinne]Do TPTB have any clue how many people (Yes...shippers)are leaving the Stargate fandom? Having been burned in the past by series, whose producers have capitalized on the ratings by playing off the relationships, only to dump them as the series drew to a close, shippers see the writing on the wall with the return of Pete. Frankly, they aren't taking it anymore. They are leaving the series.
QUOTE]

Shippers leaving fandom? Judging from the volume of posts here and on a S/J ship list, I don't think so. The show isn't about 'ship'. it's about action/adventure/drama and going through the gate, not who kisses who. The producers frankly don't care about fan factions and write what they want to, or what they're told to write by the folks who hold the money. Since Scifi wants the 18-49 male demographic, writing 'ship' isn't going to draw in the guys.

[SaharaGate]

We're used to it! After all the interviews AT used to give saying that she didn't want a romance between Sam and Jack and didn't want to end up Jack's girl, after we spent years happily watching a show where none of the main characters seemed to feel a need to distract us from the SF and the adventure by gazing longingly at each other, after really enjoying the platonic and professional relationship Jack had with Sam, after various PTB have told us that there would be no more ship after episode X, or that episode Y exists to put an end to ship... well we're used to not getting what we thought we'd been promised or what we wantedto see or what we once fell in love with the show for ;)

That's....that's....that's...really sad :(

I've never heard any of that said except for AT saying she doesn't want Sam to become "Jack's girl", but though I've been watching since season 1, I've only been in the online fandom for.....a year? Almost a year.

Sounds like they just like tugging our chains...shippers and non-shippers alike. They probably think they are just keeping us guessing.

[keshou]

I think they were trying to go with "The nice guy, who Sam will decide isn't for her", and that's the route I'd like to see it go, but right now it looks a lot more like "the cloying bf" to me. :S


I also believe they were trying to go the "nice guy, but not Jack" route. I honestly just think it was sloppy writing, which I is why I've given Pete the benefit of the doubt. I can't believe they really intended to portray Pete as Sam's stalker boyfriend, who then gets told all about the SGC.

I think they wanted to give AT a change of pace (actors get bored too) and introduce a little arc for Sam. I don't know, maybe the rushed schedule, writing and shooting episodes so quickly this year didn't give them the time they needed to think these things through. I was listening to the commentary for Fragile Balance the other night and it seemed it hadn't occurred to them that fans might think the ending was a little icky.

[bcmilco]

The show isn't about 'ship'. it's about action/adventure/drama and going through the gate, not who kisses who. The producers frankly don't care about fan factions and write what they want to, or what they're told to write by the folks who hold the money. Since Scifi wants the 18-49 male demographic, writing 'ship' isn't going to draw in the guys.

I agree, The show isn't/shouldn't be about 'ship it should be about the adventures that the team goes on and the gate, and blowing stuff up. :D That said I'm very much inside that 18-49 male target audience and this guy doesn't mind a side of 'ship every now and again. ;)

[binkpmmc]

My biggest problem with this whole pete thing is that they were couching the relationship, and Sam's personal life in general, in reality (AT said so in several interviews for last season). If they wanted it to be believable, especially to Sam fans who are not looking at the S/p relationship as a threat to the J/S ship or as an end to the J/S ship, then they should have made Sam's reactions real-life and in character (remember that strong, independent, intelligent character we knew as Sam) - IMO as a Sam fan, her reactions to pete's behaviour were more sci-fi scary than some of their enemies have been because it was, to me, so out of character to the Sam I have seen for so many years. (It does not help that they, including AT, are further debasing/demeaning Sam's character by trying to say she did not know what pete did. Set aside the FBI check which I'll give on and maybe she did not know about that - how could they seriously think that all the of the Sam fans would accept that Sam did not know the instant she saw him at the stakeout that he follwed her? How the heck else did he show up there? Just passing by and recognized the van so he decided to stay the night spying with his night vision binocs and then approach the van next morning? IMO this is a very sorry excuse for them to be using for not addressing this huge hole. I think that TPTB totally miscalculated how many of the fans would react to pete's behaviour and now they are reaching for any excuse they can find and it just hurts the Sam character even more. (I am very disappointed in AT for buying into this excuse after all of times she has said over the years how proud she is of the character and how much she has tried to make Sam a strong, independent and intelligent character who is a role model.)
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Basically my dislike ( and I do not wish him dead or hurt - just gone) of pete boils down to the fact that I believe you cannot tell someone you love them out of one-side of your mouth and then mistrust them to such a degree that you totally disrespect them by walking out in a hissy fit the morning after spending your first night together, calling the FBI to get a background check, following them without their knowledge and then showing up and jeopardizing a confidential stakeout and expect that they will not get angry at the disrespect you have shown them (and IMO you cannot use the "I love you and I did this because I care and wanted to make sure there was nothing bad going on" as an excuse to your behaviour either - IMO it's completely hypocritical to say you love someone and then mistrust them the way pete mistrusted Sam.)
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I work quite strange hours sometimes (18-20 hours a day during a crisis or large project) and have had to fly off places sometimes for weeks at a time and I would not expect to be, nor would I accept being, treated the way Sam was treated by pete just because I did not tell him every detail of my life - especially after dating for only a few weeks, perhaps a month at most, IMO, it defies reality. If someone does not trust me enough to accept that my job requires certain things of me and it is confidential in nature than there is a serious problem - at least in my view.
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It seems, at least to me, that all of this started because pete did not get his way when he asked Sam to tell him more about her job so he walked out on her in a hissy fit that morning - seems to me that's where the immaturity of the pete character kicked in and, IMO, led him way off the path of "I'm such a nice, normal, regular guy". After reading a lot of the posts having to do with pete it seems to me that many fans, including some of the J/S shippers, accepted the pete shown in the first half of this episode and thought he was a pretty good guy - it's the second-half pete that many seem to have turned against. She did not tell him everything about her life because she couldn't, not because she wouldn't, and it's too bad that TPTB didn't write him as mature enough to accept that -there are so many ways they could have addressed this and, IMO, they just screwed it up for Sam's character.

[keshou]

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I don't know if they originally intended for Pete to be perceived this way but they seemed amused about the whole "Pete the stalker" thing.

* First during the scene when Pete gets the call back from his FBI buddy and is outside Sam's house, watching her leave, they comment:
" Nothing like being stalked by the guy you're dating, so modern, so romantic" (laughter)

*Again during the scene at the end of the episode, when Sam visits Pete they talk about Pete coming back in season 8 and comment:
"The episode is tentatively titled "Pete comes back and is still a really nice guy"....(laughter).....and he's no longer a stalker. Pete The Stalker, Part Two" (more laughter)

The commentary was lighthearted, it was clear they all really liked David DeLuise, talked about how funny he was and that he and AT had a lot of chemistry. But after hearing this there is no way I think Sam will end up with Pete.....I think the S/J shippers can rest easy.

Fun factoid:
*Sam's dress she wore to the dance was actually AT's dress....a Betsy Johnson originally worn by AT to the Leo awards (I feel like Joan Rivers!)
*Sam's Volvo is really AT's car (new, she loves it!)

[ShadowMaat]

Like I said, TPTB are just as anti-Pete as some of the fans here. My guess is they'll be handing out nails at Pete's crucifixion. :(

[Shipperahoy]

First off do you ever sleep Shadow?

Secondly, I don't think that TPTB intended for Pete to come off as a stalker to some people or for him to be in any way unlikable (is that a word?) but I don't think that they intended for him to be anything more than a transitional man or a romantic foil for the Sam/Jack relationship and thus didn't bother to make him more than a 2 dimensional character. It's hard to really warm to a character when you know that he's nothing more than a bump in the road.

[ShadowMaat]

First off do you ever sleep Shadow?

My sister gave me her Bavarian Yak Flu or whatever it was. So I've been very sick and very tired and very unable to eat or sleep for a few days. http://www.computerpannen.com/cwm/ups/mtk/slimie.gif I'm doing better now, tho. If I could just get some real and non nightmare-haunted sleep.

I dunno about TPTB. I'd like to give them the benefit of a doubt and think they're just sloppy inconsiderate writers, but... sometimes I have my suspicions. ;)

[Shipperahoy]

What no vomiting gif?

(off to go look up Bavarian Yak flu) :D

And yeah, TPTB are a shifty bunch. You just never know. ;) Although I'm fond of JM mostly because he takes the time out of his busy schedule to communicate with us peons.

[Dani347]

The commentary was lighthearted, it was clear they all really liked David DeLuise, talked about how funny he was and that he and AT had a lot of chemistry. But after hearing this there is no way I think Sam will end up with Pete.....I think the S/J shippers can rest easy.

So, they just wasted a bunch of people's time. Meh. Par for the course, these days.

[the_fours]

well he may be slightly questionable, but hopefully the ptb will resolve those issues in s8.

whoever believes thats utter bull put up your hands

*raises hand*

[Livi2Jack]

http://www.gateworld.net/news/episodeupdate.html#newsitem1084390319,54135

David DeLuise returns as Samantha Carter's boyfriend in multiple episodes in Season 8.

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AHHH!! AH!!! NO!!! In MULTIPLE episodes? Why are they doing that? *dies*
Pete Needs to Die...how about Agent Barrett?

[the dancer of spaz]

Why is everyone so bitter? :( I understand that it's a good show, and that we all want to see it go in the right direction, but COME ON... :p Lighten up, you know?

First of all, let's see... what shall I say?

I like David DeLuise - I said that before.
I like his character - I said that before, as well.
I agree with the concept that Mr. Shanahan came off as... odd. Odd, odd, odd.
I'm a Sam/Jack shipper, but if I absolutely had to concede, it'd be to Agent Barrett, or... Teal'c. That's right, I said it. Teal'c. I'm weird that way. You see, they waited so long to show a friendship between Sam and Teal'c, that I now am forced to smother the little inklings I get when it comes to seeing something other than FRIENDship. *Sigh* As a S/J shipper, however, I still think that T and Sam make good friends. Finally! ;)

Also, for those who think that the show is not focusing on aliens enough, or that Sam is becoming a "sniveling whatsit, with no..." whatever floats your boat, this is my response:

I think it's interesting that a show can still capture our attention after delving into the relationships and HUMANITY of the main characters. I know that aliens are cool and that that is the premise of the show (at least in the beginning), but still... I read somewhere that the show is becoming too expensive, so they're going to go the "smaller route" and make smaller eps that focus on the characters.
But think about it: After nearly 8 years of dealing with crap that no other human has had to deal with, wouldn't it be remiss of the writers to NOT show that the characters are relateable (is that a word?), real, and fallible human beings? I, for one, like character development, and since it's the end of the series, new/old aliens mixed with great special effects, plus continued character development is awesome.
Also, I don't think anyone should expect any of the characters to walk away from this "experience," so to speak, without a little bit of emotion (this is for the Sam-haters. :D ), because honestly, all of SG-1's characters are first and foremost humans, and THEN they're heroes. :rolleyes:

[Dani347]

Also, I don't think anyone should expect any of the characters to walk away from this "experience," so to speak, without a little bit of emotion (this is for the Sam-haters. ), because honestly, all of SG-1's characters are first and foremost humans, and THEN they're heroes.


And, for at least three seasons (maybe 4, although my memory is the strongest of the first three) Sam showed human emotions. Singularity (which I consider to be the best Sam episode) she shared a bond with Cassie. Secrets, she had an emotional scene when Jacob said he had cancer. In the Line of Duty (I think) she connected with Jolinar at the end, and was pretty despondent over that. She cried watching Daniel going nuts in Legacy. So, it's not like she's spent all that time being some unemotional robot, while Stargate spent all their time focusing on aliens. But, she was also a strong woman, whose entire worth and happiness didn't revolve around finding someone to love (which she always had -three teammates, a father, Janet, etc).

It doesn't work to say people hate Sam because she's human now or shows emotions, because she has never been anything but. Only now, it's gone overboard.

[the dancer of spaz]

It doesn't work to say people hate Sam because she's human now or shows emotions, because she has never been anything but. Only now, it's gone overboard.


I guess I'm just a little confused as to WHICH eps she went overboard this season. Got any examples?

[Webbgirl]

I guess I'm just a little confused as to WHICH eps she went overboard this season. Got any examples?
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I'm pretty sure there are others, but those are off the top of my head.

[Elmindreda]

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We had 'Grace' which was an entire episode dedicated to her emotions. Evo 2 and Heroes 2 where instead of showing concern for an endangered or fallen comrade, her emotions are all focused at Jack.

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New here, but wanted to respond to this. In Heroes 2, I don't think Sam's emotions were "Jack focused" at all. I think she was grieving over losing Janet, possibly her best friend, and needed someone to give her comfort. Since Sam was understandably concerned about the health of another friend, Jack, it was Jack she went to for comfort. Even as a shipper, the tears I saw from Sam when she talked to Jack were tears for Janet's sake, not for Jack's. I think it's the most natural thing in the world to want to be hugged and comforted when we lose a loved one, and I think it's perfectly normal and right that she told him she was glad he was okay. I took it to mean, "I've already lost my best friend, and I'm on the verge of a nervous break-down; if I lost anyone else right now I'd tumble right over that verge into insanity."

As much as I loved seeing the Sam'n'Jack hug (as a shipper), I think that the exact same scene would have played out if Daniel had been the one injured, and I would have gotten the exact same feelings and message from the scene.

Just MHO. :)

[Webbgirl]

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New here, but wanted to respond to this. In Heroes 2, I don't think Sam's emotions were "Jack focused" at all. I think she was grieving over losing Janet, possibly her best friend, and needed someone to give her comfort. Since Sam was understandably concerned about the health of another friend, Jack, it was Jack she went to for comfort. Even as a shipper, the tears I saw from Sam when she talked to Jack were tears for Janet's sake, not for Jack's. I think it's the most natural thing in the world to want to be hugged and comforted when we lose a loved one, and I think it's perfectly normal and right that she told him she was glad he was okay. I took it to mean, "I've already lost my best friend, and I'm on the verge of a nervous break-down; if I lost anyone else right now I'd tumble right over that verge into insanity."

As much as I loved seeing the Sam'n'Jack hug (as a shipper), I think that the exact same scene would have played out if Daniel had been the one injured, and I would have gotten the exact same feelings and message from the scene.

Just MHO. :)

I think I would have been more inclined to see it that way if they had actually talked about losing Janet in that scene. I believe the only line was about Cassie 'being tough'.

Aside from that, I would have liked to have seen the scene with Daniel. It would have removed the cloud of the motivation behind the hug. Plus, given the fact that Daniel was the one who actually watched his friend die, I'm thinking he might have needed as much comforting as Sam. Apparently TPTB disagreed since Sam gets hugs from Jack and Teal'c and Daniel gets...squat. I think I wouldn't have had as big of a problem if TPTB had been able to be a bit more even handed with the relationships through the season.

[Dani347]

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I think I would have been more inclined to see it that way if they had actually talked about losing Janet in that scene. I believe the only line was about Cassie 'being tough'.

Yes, this is one example. And, Webbgirl did a good job of saying what my objections to Sam's emotions are in her earlier post. To dismiss Cassie's pain (whether the word was tough or strong or brick hard it still came off to me like dismissing her) and focusing it all on "I feel bad, comfort me" just gave me a bad taste thinking of Sam. And, they didn't need Cassie in the scene to show Sam feeling bad about Cassie losing again her mother. Jack could have asked, Sam could have replied, "It's hard for her. I don't see how she'll handle it." Then, Jack could have said, "Well, we'll all be there for her to help her get through it. And, how are you doing?" It would allow both Sam and Jack to show concern for Cassie, who really deserved the brunt of it, and Jack could still have shown concern for Sam for losing her friend, and neither would have come off as selfish to me. And, since Webbgirl has already mentioned Daniel, I won't go into that, just to say I concur.

[the dancer of spaz]

Aside from that, I would have liked to have seen the scene with Daniel. It would have removed the cloud of the motivation behind the hug. Plus, given the fact that Daniel was the one who actually watched his friend die, I'm thinking he might have needed as much comforting as Sam. Apparently TPTB disagreed since Sam gets hugs from Jack and Teal'c and Daniel gets...squat. I think I wouldn't have had as big of a problem if TPTB had been able to be a bit more even handed with the relationships through the season.

Daniel and Jack have hugged in the past - and have been way more inclined to hug than Sam and Jack in the past, as well (Even when Season Four - The Season of Ship exploded). The Pre-ascension Daniel and Jack relationship was WAY, WAY, WAY more relaxed than it has been this season. I don't know why that is. Some fic writers (so I'm assuming some fans) have addressed that by saying that Daniel is not quite as comfortable with the group/team as he once was, you know, with all of the memories that he doesn't quite have of being ascended, and all of the memories he doesn't quite have of being ALIVE. :S

I don't know, it makes sense in a way. Fortunately, we have had some good Daniel + individual team moments this season (Daniel and Sam in "Space Race;" Daniel and Jack in "Fallen," "Lifeboat," and "Evolution: Part Two;" and Daniel and Teal'c in "Orpheus," among others I can't remember). Besides that, Daniel has seemed kind of out of sorts. Hopefully he'll have recovered for next season. :o

Either way, my point is that people are ULTRA sensitive to ANY emotions that are expressed between Sam and Jack, whether it is friendship friendly or otherwise, because TPTB have only seemed to try to push either military relationship or ROMANCE between the two. :( I don't know why, but it makes it very difficult for people, who don't want Sam and Jack together, to enjoy any scenes with Sam and Jack, because that seems to be all that is displayed. As a shipper, I can decipher between friendship and romance with no problem, but... I know it's difficult nowadays.

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...To dismiss Cassie's pain (whether the word was tough or strong or brick hard it still came off to me like dismissing her) and focusing it all on "I feel bad, comfort me" just gave me a bad taste thinking of Sam. And, they didn't need Cassie in the scene to show Sam feeling bad about Cassie losing again her mother. Jack could have asked, Sam could have replied, "It's hard for her. I don't see how she'll handle it." Then, Jack could have said, "Well, we'll all be there for her to help her get through it. And, how are you doing?" It would allow both Sam and Jack to show concern for Cassie, who really deserved the brunt of it, and Jack could still have shown concern for Sam for losing her friend, and neither would have come off as selfish to me. And, since Webbgirl has already mentioned Daniel, I won't go into that, just to say I concur.

I can totally appreciate your feelings, considering how Cassie was taken care of in that ep. She lost her second mother, and it's a horrible experience. I was very disappointed with them for not even SHOWING Cassie, and I will continue to be disappointed if they talk about her NEXT SEASON like it's still Season Three or something. Her mother has died, for crying out loud, they should have had a scene with her and one or all of SG-1. It sucks. :( :(

But, that aside, I can also appreciate your reaction to how Sam answered his question. Both seemed to just brush it off, and again (and this is very unlike me) I have to blame TPTB for that. I guess they just wanted to have one last shippy dig for the shippers involved (something that I appreciated as a shipper, but didn't quite like as a general fan!). It didn't come off as COMPLETELY selfish for me, as they didn't even SHOW Cassie at the memorial service. She wasn't even standing next to Daniel, Jack, and Teal'c when Sam was doing her thang. Nothing. Not a scene. Because of this, I can understand the way they addressed Cassie's feelings. And also, because of this, I can now deal with it through various fanfiction stories that have been floating around lately. I'd really like to see her in Season Eight, though, because, though she's an adult now, she SHOULD be relying on SG-1, etc. It'd be good to see her relationship with each character again. :p

[Odens återkomst]

I wish he'd gotten killed by Osiris in Chimera. :(

[kalicokatt]

I liked Pete... for a little light relief...but to have a relationship between him and Sam on-going just doesn't cut it. But then I feel the same about the Jack/Sam ship, too. Either of them (Jack or Pete) would probably be great sex for her but when the morning comes either of them would bore her to death in a week. Sam needs someone like Martouf, Narim or Daniel.....someone she can talk to but who is still a peice of eye-candy, too. Just my opinion....which won't buy a thing and means nothing in the scheme of things. ... :-)

[ShadowMaat]

I wish he'd gotten killed by Osiris in Chimera. :(

I wish Daniel had gotten killed by Osiris in Chimera. :(

Doesn't sound very nice, does it? I think that wishing death on fictional characters is sad and disturbing. Grow up, people.

[the dancer of spaz]

I wish Daniel had gotten killed by Osiris in Chimera. :(

Doesn't sound very nice, does it? I think that wishing death on fictional characters is sad and disturbing. Grow up, people.

Man... :(

Wishing death on fictional characters - especially subordinate characters - is about as "sad and disturbing" as being "embarassed by" and "embarassed for" a main character. Both emotions, one of hatred or malice or whatever, and the other of annoyance, disappointment, and embarassment are elicited from a significant attachment to the show and the characters therin.

I know you and I don't see eye-to-eye on a lot of things, Shadow, but I'm a bit offended by that statement, because you're assuming that Pete is more important than Daniel (or any other character, for that matter) simply because you like him more than other people do. :S

The thread isn't called "Let's sympathize with Poor Pete Shanahan and David DeLuise."

Just because people don't like a character, it doesn't mean they should "grow up" or anything; it's their opinions. Remember?

[Dani347]

I don't think it's that Pete is more important, but that Shadow was illustrating that anyone could wish any character dead, and their fans wouldn't like it. Like, "You say you want Pete dead, but think how you'd feel if someone said the same thing about a character you like? Doesn't feel so good, huh?"

Given that, I'm not sure I agree in the abstract that wishing death on a fictional character is all that horrible. (I do like Pete, btw, and don't wish death on him). I think the fact that they are fictional, and nothing will really happen to the actor playing them makes it less horrible. It's certainly less horrible than wishing death on a real person! Of course, I say in the abstract, because if someone seriously wiahed Daniel would get killed, I wouldn't like it one bit. But, taking a non biased view, I'd have to say it's not that horrible.

[the_fours]

I know you and I don't see eye-to-eye on a lot of things, Shadow, but I'm a bit offended by that statement, because you're assuming that Pete is more important than Daniel (or any other character, for that matter) simply because you like him more than other people do. :S

i think shadow was emphisising the fact that it is hurtful and offensive to the fans of the character.


Just because people don't like a character, it doesn't mean they should "grow up" or anything; it's their opinions. Remember?


yes, it is their opinion but wishing anyone dead fictional or otherwise is slightly disturbing in my view because in my opinion wishing someone dead is just as bad as doing the deed(im a man with high morals :p )
shadow is right it is disturbing when people wish for others to be dead and i dont think those kind of highly offensive posts should be on the forum.

[ShadowMaat]

Thanks for clarifying for me, guys. Yes, my point wasn't that I hate Daniel (I don't), but that wishing death on a character is childish and creepy and it looks a heck of a lot different when someone is wishing it on a character you like, so maybe folks should stop and THINK for once and consider how they might feel if someone said they wished a character YOU (general you) liked should die.

Dani, I get what you're saying about fictional not being bad, but I still think it's kinda sick, mostly because it's a fictional character. I mean, bad enough to hate a real person that much, but a fictional character doesn't even exist and yet you want that someone to DIE?? It's a level of negative obsession that I don't find particularly healthy and which makes me personally uncomfortable to be around. I posted more on the subject earlier in this thread, and I still feel that way. Just because someone is fictional does not give you the right to treat that person like a sack of dirt or a bug to be crushed. If I wished death and violence on Daniel or Jack or any of the other main characters, I'd probably be flamed right off the board, but if it gets said about Pete or any other "unpopular" character, that makes it OK?? I don't think so.

It's sick and it IS hurtful and just because it's about a fictional character doesn't mean that the actor who plays that character won't be upset to see such comments. And just because it's someone's "opinion" doessn't make it OK. If it was my opinion that Jack should have holes drilled in his head to see if it'd let in any intelligence, or that Sam can't possibly lead the team because she's a woman, that's neither kind nor productive and it would say more about ME than about the characters in question.

I'm with fours. Comments of that intensely hostile nature should be modded right off the board... or at least relegated to the "protected" threads where general viewers are less likely to see them.

[Dani347]

, but a fictional character doesn't even exist and yet you want that someone to DIE??

Maybe because I don't see it as someone literally wanting anyone to die, but just using extreme language to say, "I hate this character, and I don't want them on the show." Sort of like on the flipside, if I said I wanted to marry a character and have his babies. I'm not really entertaining an idea of having a fictional character's baby, I'm just saying he's a character I really really like.

But, anyway, for me, the fact that the characters are fictional means I don't think any attitude is horrible. I'd feel shocked and think it were sick if it were a real person. I would think the actors, after a knee jerk feeling of hurt. would assess that it's not them that anyone hates or wishes dead, but a persona, that they (hopefully) drop when they leave work.

Even though I disagree that it's sick, I do agree that it's a double standard to say things like that about Pete or any other secondary and/or unpopular characters and then get up in arms if someone says it about a regular character.

I won't wish the death on a character. But, what about a goa'uld?

[ShadowMaat]

I won't wish the death on a character. But, what about a goa'uld?

Dead goa'uld aren't much fun. ;)

[Dani347]

Dead goa'uld aren't much fun. ;)
True.

[Teal'c]

The thread isn't called "Let's sympathize with Poor Pete Shanahan and David DeLuise."


But it is called "Let's list off how much we want the evil Pit Sham-ahan dead and try to maintain that we like David DeLuise" thread?

[ShadowMaat]

If you want to get technical about it, the thread is called "David DeLuise Returns", it isn't "Pete is scum and deserves to die" and it isn't "Pete's a god, let's worship him". If you want to talk about how much Pete sucks, there's a thread called Against Pete. There's also the Sam/Jack Shipper thread where I hear such thoughts are acceptable. For the pro Pete contingent, there's the Pro Sam/Pete ship thread.

However, semantics aside, I'm going to keep speaking out against comments which I see as vile and disturbing until a mod comes along and tells me I can't. People are free to snipe at me and make snide comments all they want if that makes them feel better. Speaking out against this kind of petty BS makes ME feel better. So that's that.

[Teal'c]

If you want to get technical about it, the thread is called "David DeLuise Returns", it isn't "Pete is scum and deserves to die" and it isn't "Pete's a god, let's worship him". If you want to talk about how much Pete sucks, there's a thread called Against Pete. There's also the Sam/Jack Shipper thread where I hear such thoughts are acceptable. For the pro Pete contingent, there's the Pro Sam/Pete ship thread.

However, semantics aside, I'm going to keep speaking out against comments which I see as vile and disturbing until a mod comes along and tells me I can't. People are free to snipe at me and make snide comments all they want if that makes them feel better. Speaking out against this kind of petty BS makes ME feel better. So that's that.
Here here! Down with vileness :D

[the dancer of spaz]

Thanks for clarifying for me, guys. Yes, my point wasn't that I hate Daniel (I don't), but that wishing death on a character is childish and creepy and it looks a heck of a lot different when someone is wishing it on a character you like, so maybe folks should stop and THINK for once and consider how they might feel if someone said they wished a character YOU (general you) liked should die.


Everyone likes different characters. Like I've said before, I don't mind Pete as a character, and I certainly wouldn't wish death upon him. Personally, I think he's a good man (at heart), and would make a good friend for Sam. I'm not digging the whole "every man who isn't in SG-1 has to love Sam" deal, which sometimes is played way over the top. (ex: that young guy in season one through three; Barrett; McKay; Narim; Martouf; Faxon, among many others) We all know that Sam's attractive, but I can imagine how frustrating that must be for some people.


Dani, I get what you're saying about fictional not being bad, but I still think it's kinda sick, mostly because it's a fictional character. I mean, bad enough to hate a real person that much, but a fictional character doesn't even exist and yet you want that someone to DIE??


Sick? Obviously, people join this forum to talk about a show they like/love/adore/obsess about. If we admire a certain character, does that make it sick? Yes, it's death we're talking about here, but some fans actually LOVE the characters. Does that make them sick? Love and hate are normal emotions, and the levels of normalcy are rated on a person-to-person basis. Yes, I think it's a bit... much... to hate ANYTHING or ANYONE, but hey... emotions are high on these threads. It is a fictional character, after all. Some people's levels of tolerance are higher than others, depending on the situation. Yes, people are more sensitive to that kind of negativity when they like the character. Because, like you have since pointed out, this is a neutral thread, every kind of concept is game. I think it's great that you don't HATE a character, but begrudging other people from their feelings (mostly when they disagree with yours) is a bit weird.


It's a level of negative obsession that I don't find particularly healthy and which makes me personally uncomfortable to be around. I posted more on the subject earlier in this thread, and I still feel that way. Just because someone is fictional does not give you the right to treat that person like a sack of dirt or a bug to be crushed.


So... the particularly negative opinions of a certain Doctor-come-Captain-come-Major-come-? are acceptable because of what reason? They attack the writers and not the actor? The Powers instead of the character? What? This is just a BIT of a double-standard. It may be demonstrated on a different thread, but it's still a double-standard. Openly disliking one character to WHATEVER degree is more acceptable than openly disliking another. How is that OK? :(

If I wished death and violence on Daniel or Jack or any of the other main characters, I'd probably be flamed right off the board, but if it gets said about Pete or any other "unpopular" character, that makes it OK?? I don't think so.

Daniel and Jack ARE the main characters. No, it wouldn't be right for you to "be flamed right off the board," because, again, this is an opinion issue, however... more people are likely to side with Daniel and Jack than they are for the One-Ep Wonder.

It's sick and it IS hurtful and just because it's about a fictional character doesn't mean that the actor who plays that character won't be upset to see such comments.

Definitely. I agree. And I'm sure certain actors are just throwing parties when they hear people attack their character's moral character, strength, integrity, ability, etc. I'm sure that the actor MOST PEOPLE KNOW I'M TALKING ABOUT just LOVES to read about how much people hate her character - or, oops, I'm sorry: "the direction her character has been taken."

Too obvious?



And just because it's someone's "opinion" doessn't make it OK.


Why? Why, why, why? That's the WHOLE POINT of this forum: to voice one's opinions. The opinion does not contain profanity, obscenities, or concepts that are easily conflicting among other people. Yes, it's death, but people all over the world wish death upon other people all the time. Is that a part of MY daily practice? No. But, then again, this forum contains people from all walks of life, all around the world, and, to be honest, there have been things said on this forum that offend me (and they, at times, have had nothing to do with Stargate!). But, you know about that when you join the board. There are some things that are not "flame"-worthy or "moddable."


If it was my opinion that Jack should have holes drilled in his head to see if it'd let in any intelligence, or that Sam can't possibly lead the team because she's a woman, that's neither kind nor productive and it would say more about ME than about the characters in question.


Yes. And it's comments like this that HAVE said more about a poster's character than the actor/writer/producer/character in question. That's the way it is.


I'm with fours. Comments of that intensely hostile nature should be modded right off the board... or at least relegated to the "protected" threads where general viewers are less likely to see them.


I've seen equally hostile comments on other threads, and they stand. They annoy me (and possible other people) to death, but they still stand. The mods can't protect EVERY thread, or else you and I wouldn't have any reason to have long, drawn-out debates. :p

[pittsburghgirl]

they are doing it, because they can.

[Madeleine]

There aren't any forum rules preventing people from posting that they want Character X dead or anything.

Personally I can't fathom how anyone could want to a fictional character to die, but then I have a very limited imagination and can't fathom how anyone could want to see a Hannibal Lecter movie, and yet people do.

There are also no rules to stop anyone protesting at the use of violent imagery against fictional characters on this forum.

[ShadowMaat]

Personally I can't fathom how anyone could want to a fictional character to die, but then I have a very limited imagination and can't fathom how anyone could want to see a Hannibal Lecter movie, and yet people do.

Does this mean you won't be queuing up to see Hannibal: The Musical! any time soon? ;)

Thanks for the clarification, anyway.

On topic: I'd feel a lot better about Pete's return if I had more confidence in the writers' ability to write.

[Dani347]

Well, I don't think they'll kill Pete, since they want Sam to have a relationship with someone who doesn't die. But, I do worry that they'll make Pete a bad guy, thus getting rid of him, without having to kill him off.

[Anthro Girl]

Does this mean you won't be queuing up to see Hannibal: The Musical! any time soon? ;)

Only if it's a dinner theater! :eek:

On topic: Welcome Back, Pete (and David)! Best of luck! Relationships are a pain in the mik'ta! :)

[the dancer of spaz]

Does this mean you won't be queuing up to see Hannibal: The Musical! any time soon? ;)


Ooh... isn't that on tour this fall? :p I heard Nathan Lane's playing the lead.


BTW, is David DeLuise going to be in two or more eps, or just one?

[USS Thunderchild]

Quick question: is David DeLuise the brother of a Deluise who was on SeaQuest...I think his name was Dager or something...big guy, bald.

kind of random.

Phil

[Matt G]

I know Peter DeLuise(SG1 director) was in SeaQuest as one of the main players. Don't think it was Dagwood though.

[keshou]

David DeLuise is indeed the younger brother of Peter DeLuise (SG-1 director) and Michael DeLuise. Dom DeLuise has only the three sons.

Roles in Seaquest:
Peter DeLuise - Dagwood (season 2-3)
Michael DeLuise - Seaman Tony Piccolo (season 2-3)

http://www.tvtome.com/seaQuest/

Of course Michael DeLuise appeared in SG-1's "Wormhole Extreme" episode and father Dom Deluise appeared in "Urgo"

[ShadowMaat]

Of course Michael DeLuise appeared in SG-1's "Wormhole Extreme" episode and father Dom Deluise appeared in "Urgo"
I think Dom was in an ep of Seaquest, too... as Piccolo's father. ;)

And if we're playing spot-the-DeLuise, Michael and David both appeared recently in a couple eps of Gilmore Girls (and Dom was in a clip of a movie the girls were watching).

Question: I know David's in a couple of commercials right now... is one of them that B&W Flonase commercial? Sometimes I think yes, other times I think no way...

Still debating on whether or not I'll watch David's eps in S8 when I know TPTB intend to crucify him on the Altar of Ship...

[Anubis]

Will I watch this episode? Sure, I don't miss the episodes it's just that I'm not that keen on the character on the show!

[USS Thunderchild]

Question: I know David's in a couple of commercials right now... is one of them that B&W Flonase commercial? Sometimes I think yes, other times I think no way...


I'm pretty sure he's in a Purina comercial, which I see airing all the time.

I knew that dude was Dagwood! Man, they need to release SeaQuest on DVD.

Phil

[Anubis]

Does anyone know if he's in any commercials in the UK. I haven't seen him in any and I watch a fair amount of TV

[Otis]

I've just come from a different forum where I read through post after post damning Amanda Tapping and her Season 7 performances because of the Sam/Jack bit. I think that it might be time for a reality check. It's very obvious that there are two equally vocal sides who want to see/don't want to see any suggestion of romance between the characters. Personally, I enjoy the Sam/Jack thing. However, it was a good move to bring in Pete and give a little objectivity to the situation. It would be pretty unlikely that a woman Sam's age would go on this long a period without having some dates and experiences other than the black-widow ones.

[the dancer of spaz]

I've just come from a different forum where I read through post after post damning Amanda Tapping and her Season 7 performances because of the Sam/Jack bit. I think that it might be time for a reality check. It's very obvious that there are two equally vocal sides who want to see/don't want to see any suggestion of romance between the characters. Personally, I enjoy the Sam/Jack thing. However, it was a good move to bring in Pete and give a little objectivity to the situation. It would be pretty unlikely that a woman Sam's age would go on this long a period without having some dates and experiences other than the black-widow ones.

Indeed.

[UsedToLikeSam]

I'm disgusted by this news. I was hoping they'd have Pete on in a very early episode just to get rid of him and then restore Sam to her old strong, smart self. But now I see that he's going to appear as late as the EIGHTH episode! We have to have him hanging on in the background for all that time.

What were the ptb thinking with this character? They apparently were surprised to hear that many people didn't like him, and in particular that many thought he exhibited controlling/stalker behavior. And the fact that they let him in on the gate is just utterly stupid. Also, his presence turned into the soap opera that many feared with the possibility of an enhanced Sam-&-Jack story. Sam&Jack were never soap-opera-ish like this, though the Pete thing has done some weird things to their relationship. Really, what COULD they have been thinking?

It's kind of insulting that the ptb would bring him back for at least a couple more episodes (and as late as the 8th) when so many expressed displeasure with the character and what the story did to the Sam character. I don't like to support tv series that show contempt for the viewers. I already don't go out of my way to watch Stargate any more.

I didn't watch Chimera*, and just as I said before Chimera, I won't watch any more episodes with Pete in them unless I read here that there's a redeeming reason to do so (if I'm still visiting here). If I had time, I would send notes to some of Stargate's advertisers to let them know I wouldn't be watching.
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* I skimmed a transcript online so I would be familiar enough with basic story points that I could discuss it on the old forum.

[the dancer of spaz]

I didn't watch Chimera*, and just as I said before Chimera, I won't watch any more episodes with Pete in them unless I read here that there's a redeeming reason to do so (if I'm still visiting here). If I had time, I would send notes to some of Stargate's advertisers to let them know I wouldn't be watching.


What if he turned out to be a good guy? Like a friend?

[Dani347]

What were the ptb thinking with this character? They apparently were surprised to hear that many people didn't like him, and in particular that many thought he exhibited controlling/stalker behavior.

It's kind of insulting that the ptb would bring him back for at least a couple more episodes (and as late as the 8th) when so many expressed displeasure with the character and what the story did to the Sam character. I don't like to support tv series that show contempt for the viewers.

Of course, there are those of us who like Pete.

[nugglebugget]

Along the lines of "spot the DeLuise",I noticed David DeLuise is credited as the voice of "Coop" in a new cartoon called "Megas XLR".It's a pretty funny show,last night they had a little fun skewering a cross between "Power Rangers" & "Battle of the Planets".So I guess he does voice work,too.

Btw,I like Pete.

[hrh36]

And if we're playing spot-the-DeLuise, Michael and David both appeared recently in a couple eps of Gilmore Girls (and Dom was in a clip of a movie the girls were watching).

Still debating on whether or not I'll watch David's eps in S8 when I know TPTB intend to crucify him on the Altar of Ship...

I don't want him to be crucified in any way, but I only want him back if he becomes integral to some Stargate stories and not just the soap opera interest for Sam.

I also want him to act about two decades more mature. It's fine to be fun-loving but juvenile fun isn't the only kind. The Sam who thinks taking apart a naquadah reactor is fun or running down the corridors of enemy ships shooting bad guy goa'ulds is fun or learning from an 11-year-old how to construct a reactor is fun, all of which are canon in the show, would not get such a kick out of some of Pete's ideas of fun IMO.

Unfortunately, the writers made it canon in Chimera that she does, but ick, what a character change and very incorrect.

Why couldn't they have them go on a movie date to Scary Movie 3 or some other recent sci-fi/horror bomb and come out of the theatre trashing it? Or ride motorcycles on trails around Cheyenne Mountain? IMO both would be much more in character as fun for Sam than Pete's (or the writers) ideas, which are weak soap opera writing. Come on a dance scene to develop a romance? How many gazillions of those scenes have we seen?

Re: Gilmore Girls appearance, David basically played the same immature-type, juvenile-humor loving character, which only served to increase my distaste for this character type as he portrays Pete on SG.

If they make him grow up in his relationship with Sam and have something to do with the SGC program then fine, bring him back. I'll watch every ep of S8 at least once 'cause I love(d?) the show and hope they can bring back more of the magic.

hrh

[epiphany]

>>all of which are canon in the show, would not get such a kick out of some of Pete's ideas of fun IMO.>>

And what are Pete's "immature" ideas of fun? Going to a dance full of old married people as a romantic gesture showing his belief in love being able to last through thick and thin isn't immature. Plenty of perfectly mature people like cop movies and in fact there are mature cop movies. Going to a zoo is something adults do even without kids. Spending a day in a hotel room for special time with your honey is what alot of adults would consider romantic. I'm failing to see Pete's immature ideas of fun that Sam ought to be so averse to. What "immature" humor did he portray? I don't recall any particularly immature or distasteful humor from Pete.

[ShadowMaat]

I don't recall any particularly immature or distasteful humor from Pete.

Maybe the "box of wine with the duck on the front" thing? I thought it was kinda sweet. I do stuff like that all the time. Not necessarily in a romantic way, but in general. Downplay important things, make stupid things sound much more important than they really are, things like that. Wonder if that makes me "immature" too? Fine by me. 'cause if acting mature means walking around like I have a stick up my butt all the time and acting all highbrow and not doing anything fun, then I'm glad to avoid it. :P And my idea of "fun" happens to include things like zoos and aquariums and walks through the park and sneaking into places where I don't belong... or at least, I'd be happy to sneak in if someone would lead the way. ;) That way I have someone to blame if we get caught. "He made me do it!" "It wasn't my idea, officer, honest!" hehe

[the dancer of spaz]

I don't want him to be crucified in any way, but I only want him back if he becomes integral to some Stargate stories and not just the soap opera interest for Sam.

That's pretty much impossible if he doesn't come back as Sam's sig o. No crucifixions please! :confused:


I also want him to act about two decades more mature. It's fine to be fun-loving but juvenile fun isn't the only kind.


What he did with Sam for the date was sweet. Granted, I'd rather it was someone else, but that's a totally different story. :p In the here and now, however, the juvenile characteristics come into play when he runs off "the morning after" because he's not getting what he wants from her, and when he follows her to a stakeout. It was very irresponsible, but it could have been a mistake. I like characters who are fallible and who are able to admit their fallibility. Unfortunately, Pete has YET to own up to his mistake. Instead, he seems to have gotten rewarded with it. If they address it in season eight, as they have ALL seemed to be claiming, then I probably won't be so annoyed with him. I'm sure he's a good guy, but The One for Sam...? Only time will tell. ;)


The Sam who thinks taking apart a naquadah reactor is fun or running down the corridors of enemy ships shooting bad guy goa'ulds is fun or learning from an 11-year-old how to construct a reactor is fun, all of which are canon in the show, would not get such a kick out of some of Pete's ideas of fun IMO.


We don't know if he likes the same things as Sam or not, because it was the other half of a major plotline and there wasn't enough time. :S We might see what he enjoys doing in season eight, though. Then we'll see if he's immature. Honestly, though, I'm glad they didn't show anymore smoochey woochey, or else I would have been really uncomfortable. :o I'm glad that Sam's happy, even if she does feel like she needs to get her "freak on." However, I'm not a fan of the overt stuff they pull sometimes (i.e. any of Daniel's alien girls, or Jack or Teal'c flings, or Sam's deceased love interests).

I'm a Sam/Jack shipper, and I still wouldn't enjoy seeing them being so overtly... together, so to speak. I like the implied canon. It leaves stuff to the imagination. With Pete, however, it doesn't look like they're going to do that. :(


Unfortunately, the writers made it canon in Chimera that she does, but ick, what a character change and very incorrect.


;) To me, whatever the writers/AT do to Sam's character is correct, as they know the character a billion times better than we do. They can't make many mistakes with the character, because THEY have created her. It's like accusing a friend of making an incorrect character change. People change in real life and I think it's perfectly fine for the characters in the show to change with time.



Why couldn't they have them go on a movie date to Scary Movie 3 or some other recent sci-fi/horror bomb and come out of the theatre trashing it? Or ride motorcycles on trails around Cheyenne Mountain? IMO both would be much more in character as fun for Sam than Pete's (or the writers) ideas, which are weak soap opera writing. Come on a dance scene to develop a romance? How many gazillions of those scenes have we seen?


:eek: Eek! Soap opera writing? Hardly. Something way different to the normal Stargate plot basics? Yes, definitely. Does that mean it's soap-worthy? I don't think so. Not at all.



Re: Gilmore Girls appearance, David basically played the same immature-type, juvenile-humor loving character, which only served to increase my distaste for this character type as he portrays Pete on SG.


Fans have to be able to distinguish between each character. If two separate characters seem alike, it's kinda the actor's responsibility to make obvious changes in one or the other. :rolleyes: If that doesn't happen, we have to assume that the two people are different and should probably not be compared.


I'll watch every ep of S8 at least once 'cause I love(d?) the show and hope they can bring back more of the magic.
hrh


:o I agree with the idea of watching every ep and taking each ep for its own positive value, but I think one person's magic is another person's curse, and vice versa.

Peace out! :D

[hrh36]

Hi everyone:

Thanks for replying. Great to see other's opinions. Will have to agree to disagree on some items, that's fine.

We really don't know all that much about Pete from the 20-something minutes we got of him, so I'll reserve judgment about his overall maturity level and hope that the more we see of him the more my opinion of him rises.

Sam is my favorite character so I'd really like to like and respect whoever she ends up with (if she must end up with anyone -- where are all the threads about who the guys of SG-1 should end up with?).

From those 20 minutes, I personally don't see a thirty-something woman acting like Sam did with Pete and like she's never acted before with her other love interests. I'm thinking of the car scene before they go in Sam's house and get it on. :( I thought they were both acting more like teenagers and I thought that followed directly on from the whole date scenario. So that's a matter of opinion and of personal preference, i.e. I would be too uncomfortable crashing someone else's party to have a good time.

OTOH, I would enjoy a trip to the zoo, I wish they'd shown that instead of the party scene in which the characters dance and realize their feelings for each other. I find that to be weak writing because it's a cliche, which is what I meant by soap opera writing. Sorry if I offended any soap opera lovers.

I wasn't referring to the zoo bit with the immature comment since we didn't see the zoo. On the contrary, if they'd discovered they both had a thing for elephants and so hey, maybe this could be the start of a beautiful relationship together as they stand in front of the elephant cage, I'd have liked it better. :)

I'm not of the Pete-is-a-stalker camp, but I do think he acted immaturely by jumping out of bed and leaving because she couldn't tell him about her work. IMO that was a hissy fit even if he didn't jump up and down. And if he really likes her and wants this to go somewhere, I don't think this was a good way to impress her with his maturity level.

Re: whatever the writers write is canon because they created the characters. Well, okay, that's true. But are the same writers writing the characters now that created them 8 years ago?

Haven't the original showrunners left and so new people are taking over the characters? So I guess I need to say that I'm disappointed that the new writers have taken the character of Sam in what I think is a wrong direction, meaning a different one from the one the original creators gave her, i.e. strong, independent, yet still loving, affectionate, and able to show a weak side.

hrh

[Shipperahoy]

I didn't see any of Pete's romantic gestures as childish. My one problem with them is that they seemed like way too much too soon. Personally if I had only been dating a guy for a couple of weeks and he started talking 50th wedding anniversaries and what not I would be a little wierded out. But, that was a very minor pet peeve and despite that I thought that he was coming on very strong I still liked Pete up until the end. I thought he was funny and playful and definately provided Sam a break from the daily life and death situations. I'm not a militant Pete hater and I certainly don't want him dead but I think I would have had much less of a problem with Pete if there had been some acknowledgement of his actions from Sam at the end. If they had just discussed it and made it clear that her job is important and dangerous and that following her to work is just not something that should be done. I realize the there are people who feel he did absolutely nothing wrong and I respect that but I think that a discussion of what he had done between Sam and Pete at the end would have been a nice middle ground.

[DrGemini2405]

Come on guys, you all know that Daniel and Carter go together far better!

[CamandVala]

I don't like Pete!!!:weiranime22: I think they should have ringed (rung?) him on board a Goa'uld mothership...either that or send him to Atlantis...and then give him to the Wraith!:psycho:

[buzlighty1]

Come on guys, you all know that Daniel and Carter go together far better!

Go together like what? Like mustard and ketchup? or Like tuna and a pickle?

[stewsith]

like chocolate and beef