Alright, I was talking to this one guy who's a Science person and we got to talking. Anyway, we started to talk about science fiction and stargate. He was telling me that he believes the asgard neutrino ion generators could actually be a super collider. He said that That the the Neutrino Ion could just be the emissions that are made from colliding neutronium particles. That they are probably making miniature big bangs which if done right could be an infinite amount of energy. Then he went in depth into some math stuff which he kind of lost me. But is that possible??
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Originally posted by loondoggy View PostAlright, I was talking to this one guy who's a Science person and we got to talking. Anyway, we started to talk about science fiction and stargate. He was telling me that he believes the asgard neutrino ion generators could actually be a super collider. He said that That the the Neutrino Ion could just be the emissions that are made from colliding neutronium particles. That they are probably making miniature big bangs which if done right could be an infinite amount of energy. Then he went in depth into some math stuff which he kind of lost me. But is that possible??If you wish to see more of my rants, diatribes, and general comments, check out my Twitter account SirRyanR!
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Sounds extremly likely. In the Stargate universe, NIGs apparently cannot provide unlimited energy. But That doesn't mean they couldn't provide (near) infinite energy. It just means they can produce it all at one time. I takes time to collide particles at near the speed of light.
That could account for the apparent shortcomings of the NIGs in the Stargate universe.
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Originally posted by lordofseas View PostIf the Asgard had an infinite amount of energy though NIG's at their disposal, then their shields would be forever powered, which we know to be false. So, not this. I was thinking the energy was created, then transfered, which is that gigantic beam of energy we see, a purer form of "wiring", as it were.
plus the fact that with an infinite powersource, they would have been able to have some seriously powerful weapons, but they dont.STARGATE ROCKS
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Originally posted by stargater1990 View Posttechnically thats not true because asgard shield dont work on the same principle as ancient ones do in that aslong as theres power, they'll work, but i agree that theres no way that they have an infinite amount of power because of the really simple reason that if they did, then asgard ships wouldnt need 4 NIGs to power their ships.
plus the fact that with an infinite powersource, they would have been able to have some seriously powerful weapons, but they dont.If you wish to see more of my rants, diatribes, and general comments, check out my Twitter account SirRyanR!
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Originally posted by loondoggy View PostWell, he was talking more about how they were looking at supercolliders as a near infinite source of energy more than asgard Neutrino Ion generators. But he said also that if it is a supercollider he sees no reason if they set up right why it shouldn't be a near infinite source of energy.If you wish to see more of my rants, diatribes, and general comments, check out my Twitter account SirRyanR!
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it is possible. but what would a neutrino ion be? its very name contradicts the term "ion". a neutrino is a tiny neutral charge particle with near-zero mass. (Neutrino, italian for small neutral one). an ion is charged. besides, ions are atomic nucleae with fewer or more electrons than the amount of protons in the nucleus. because a neutrino has no nucleus and has no electrons, the term is completely wrong.
at best i can tell you this: Beta Decay of Liquid Neutronium, eg. superdense matter made of neutrons and no electrons or nucleae, would releaase the energy of a high-end ZPM (ie, the energy of a ZPM calculated by the explosion of Arcturus) which is some 10^40 joules of energy. because a droplet of Liquid Neutronium would be stable under its own gravity, you'd need a strong neutrino pulse to start the decay.
the waste matter is Neutrons (which didnt decay), Protons and Electrons. ring a bell? hydrogen. the waste matter is superhot (due to released energy) and thus: IONS. Hydrogen IONs.
the full name would be Neutrino-induced hydrogen Ion Generator.
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Originally posted by thekillman View Postit is possible. but what would a neutrino ion be? its very name contradicts the term "ion". a neutrino is a tiny neutral charge particle with near-zero mass. (Neutrino, italian for small neutral one). an ion is charged. besides, ions are atomic nucleae with fewer or more electrons than the amount of protons in the nucleus. because a neutrino has no nucleus and has no electrons, the term is completely wrong.
at best i can tell you this: Beta Decay of Liquid Neutronium, eg. superdense matter made of neutrons and no electrons or nucleae, would releaase the energy of a high-end ZPM (ie, the energy of a ZPM calculated by the explosion of Arcturus) which is some 10^40 joules of energy. because a droplet of Liquid Neutronium would be stable under its own gravity, you'd need a strong neutrino pulse to start the decay.
the waste matter is Neutrons (which didnt decay), Protons and Electrons. ring a bell? hydrogen. the waste matter is superhot (due to released energy) and thus: IONS. Hydrogen IONs.
the full name would be Neutrino-induced hydrogen Ion Generator.sigpic
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Originally posted by thekillman View Postit is possible. but what would a neutrino ion be? its very name contradicts the term "ion". a neutrino is a tiny neutral charge particle with near-zero mass. (Neutrino, italian for small neutral one). an ion is charged. besides, ions are atomic nucleae with fewer or more electrons than the amount of protons in the nucleus. because a neutrino has no nucleus and has no electrons, the term is completely wrong.
at best i can tell you this: Beta Decay of Liquid Neutronium, eg. superdense matter made of neutrons and no electrons or nucleae, would releaase the energy of a high-end ZPM (ie, the energy of a ZPM calculated by the explosion of Arcturus) which is some 10^40 joules of energy. because a droplet of Liquid Neutronium would be stable under its own gravity, you'd need a strong neutrino pulse to start the decay.
the waste matter is Neutrons (which didnt decay), Protons and Electrons. ring a bell? hydrogen. the waste matter is superhot (due to released energy) and thus: IONS. Hydrogen IONs.
the full name would be Neutrino-induced hydrogen Ion Generator.Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."
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Originally posted by thekillman View Postit is possible. but what would a neutrino ion be? its very name contradicts the term "ion". a neutrino is a tiny neutral charge particle with near-zero mass. (Neutrino, italian for small neutral one). an ion is charged. besides, ions are atomic nucleae with fewer or more electrons than the amount of protons in the nucleus. because a neutrino has no nucleus and has no electrons, the term is completely wrong.
at best i can tell you this: Beta Decay of Liquid Neutronium, eg. superdense matter made of neutrons and no electrons or nucleae, would releaase the energy of a high-end ZPM (ie, the energy of a ZPM calculated by the explosion of Arcturus) which is some 10^40 joules of energy. because a droplet of Liquid Neutronium would be stable under its own gravity, you'd need a strong neutrino pulse to start the decay.
the waste matter is Neutrons (which didnt decay), Protons and Electrons. ring a bell? hydrogen. the waste matter is superhot (due to released energy) and thus: IONS. Hydrogen IONs.
the full name would be Neutrino-induced hydrogen Ion Generator.
Also the neutronium in Stargate is not the theoretical scientific stuff.
Instead of being waste matter, the reactor can be akin to a miniature sun that releases copious amounts of neutrinos along other particles. Neutrinos themselves carry energy away (a lot is wasted, notably in annihilation reactions) and are hard to catch. Let's say by using both thick layers of neutronium and some physics cheating force fields, the Asgard core can actually catch neutrinos and strip them of their energy.
EDIT: sorry being late, I hate typos when I see 'em.Last edited by Mister Oragahn; 14 September 2009, 02:44 PM.
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'An infinite source of energy' is pretty much impossible. Unless you want to throw out thermodynamics and conservation of energy. To get energy out you have to put fuel in. Limited amount of fuel in = limited amount of energy out. At most you get 100% conversion of matter to energy in accordance with E=mc^2 and that is in itself impossible. (nothing has perfect efficiency)
As to Asgard reactors. The name neutrino ion generator doesn't make much sense either. There's no such thing as a neutrino ion. A neutrino is a fundemenatal particle. Where an ion is just an atom that is positively or negatively charged owing to possessing uneven numbers of protons and electrons.
Of course the op suggest it could be a particle collider colliding neutrinos and ions possibly? You tend to use ions in colliders anyway as they are affected by magnetic fields but you wouldn't use neutrinos as they are highly unreactive. Pretty much all they do is help even out nuclear reactons. (which have to conserve the numbers of leptons going in an out)sigpic
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'An infinite source of energy' is pretty much impossible. Unless you want to throw out thermodynamics and conservation of energy. To get energy out you have to put fuel in. Limited amount of fuel in = limited amount of energy out. At most you get 100% conversion of matter to energy in accordance with E=mc^2 and that is in itself impossible. (nothing has perfect efficiency)
in short words. infinite.
As to Asgard reactors. The name neutrino ion generator doesn't make much sense either. There's no such thing as a neutrino ion. A neutrino is a fundemenatal particle. Where an ion is just an atom that is positively or negatively charged owing to possessing uneven numbers of protons and electrons.
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