New rail guns

[mickhhh]

i watched transformers 2 the other day and theres a rail gun on there that is fixed on to a battle ship that very powerful.
the rail guns on stargate are more like automattic machine guns where as this rail gun is more like a cannon.
imo this gun would be so much better than the rail guns we have. 1 gun loaded with a nuke could get a nuke into the milddle of a hive ship. these guns would take hardly any power of a ship. if a 304 got a double turret on each it could take out 4 hives before they get a shot off and this would be possible because it would not be that costly because it would take a low amount of energy and resourses to build when compared to the asgard beam weapons.


also it gives me an idea for a ship. how about a small ship about the size of a goauld cargo ship. with a small asgard shield (weaker than a 304s shield but it should be able to take a few hive hits). it would have about 6 nukes aboard and it would have 1 or 2 of the rail guns. only interstallar hyperspace engines to keep the cost down. 304s would be able to carry a few.

tactics it would use is drop out of hyperspace just out side of a hive firing range with pre loaded weapons. then destory a hive or 2 depening on how many hives there are or how many guns it has. if there are hives or cruisers left after it has used its pre loaded missiles simply flee and dont hang about trying to reload. imo these tactic would hurt the wraith badly.

IMO it could lead to the down fall of the wraith. What do you think?
What do u think about this weapon?

[thekillman]

that railgun is a RL experimental railgun. SG railguns fire much faster. besides, nukes cant withstand the insane accelleration

[K^2]

Man's right. Nuke is a very delicate thing, as far as weapons go. It would survive impact with the hull if it makes it through the shields without damage, but it won't survive what you are proposing to do to it to fire it in the first place.

[morrismike]

i watched transformers 2 the other day and theres a rail gun on there that is fixed on to a battle ship that very powerful.
the rail guns on stargate are more like automattic machine guns where as this rail gun is more like a cannon.
imo this gun would be so much better than the rail guns we have. 1 gun loaded with a nuke could get a nuke into the milddle of a hive ship. these guns would take hardly any power of a ship. if a 304 got a double turret on each it could take out 4 hives before they get a shot off and this would be possible because it would not be that costly because it would take a low amount of energy and resourses to build when compared to the asgard beam weapons.


also it gives me an idea for a ship. how about a small ship about the size of a goauld cargo ship. with a small asgard shield (weaker than a 304s shield but it should be able to take a few hive hits). it would have about 6 nukes aboard and it would have 1 or 2 of the rail guns. only interstallar hyperspace engines to keep the cost down. 304s would be able to carry a few.

tactics it would use is drop out of hyperspace just out side of a hive firing range with pre loaded weapons. then destory a hive or 2 depening on how many hives there are or how many guns it has. if there are hives or cruisers left after it has used its pre loaded missiles simply flee and dont hang about trying to reload. imo these tactic would hurt the wraith badly.

IMO it could lead to the down fall of the wraith. What do you think?
What do u think about this weapon?

1. A rail employs obscene electrical currents. Unless you've got a nuke which doesn't require electrical circuits to fire AND can withstand 1000s of Gs acceleration a nuke railgun projectile is out of the question.
2. The navy railgun is the most powerful projectile weapon ever (far more powerful than anything on stargate).
http://gizmodo.com/351467/navy-rail-...es-at-5640-mph

http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,123818,00.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y54aLcC3G74&NR=1

[K^2]

Sci-Fi got it wrong again. No buzzing. No humming. No screeching. Sounds and looks exactly like a shot from a regular cannon.

Oh, and they really need to work on a better reload system. Scientists with tape measures aren't going to cut it on the battlefield. Yes, yes, I know it's just a prototype.

[thekillman]

it does have the potential to become the most devastating weapon in existence aside from nukes.


SG railguns have a better ROF.

[K^2]

A big iron bomb still packs more of a punch. So do most cruise missiles.

This weapon is designed with a very specific goal in mind. Destruction of warships. Modern warship is equipped with enough armor to make cracking it a tough job for any ordinance, and enough AA weapons to make hitting it with a big bomb or missile a very difficult task.

Rail gun's slug cannot be diverted or shot down. It travels in a nearly straight line and carries so much kinetic energy that it causes whatever material it hits to become equivalent of high explosive. It is ideal for tearing through heavy warships without giving them any chance to counter the attack. All other modern day tasks, there are much better weapons for.

[thekillman]

well, there are ideas to pack it with a shrapnel/nail warhead to make every plane on an airbase inoperable

[K^2]

There is a way to make every piece of hardware on an airport inoperable from geostationary using a device that will weigh about as much as a typical comm satellite does. It'd violate a few international conventions (weapons in space, etc), but it would be relatively inexpensive and 100% efficient. I'd be surprised if there aren't a few of these devices already hanging up there. Any priority target can be destroyed this way. If it's some 3rd world country's airport we are talking about, then there are plenty of UAV bombers around to take care of these. No need to invent something new.

[mickhhh]

that railgun is a RL experimental railgun. SG railguns fire much faster. besides, nukes cant withstand the insane accelleration

it may be experimental but it works so more could be made. Sg rail guns might fire faster but they course hive almost no damage.

OK there is a problem with the nukes not with standing the Gs.
Can any 1 help with this?

hears an idea to over come it. build Inertial dampeners on the guns that help the projectile/nuke withstand the first moment of acceleration. which should be enough. if the projectile is going fast enough it should smash straight through the armor without extreme deacceleration. plus the nuke would be designed to explode when its in the hive or the deacceleration is to much. even if it explodes in the armor it would course huge amounts of damage.

another idea is dont use nukes. use some thing that could survive the trip. dont no what yet but i am thinking. any1 got any ideas?

if any1 has any other ideas to help the tech please share your idea.

[thekillman]

yes. build a particle beam cannon. or a Mass Driver.


K^2, when you build something that expensive, you'd want to give it more abilities. it can not only bombard over long ranges ( 250 Km) removing the need for uberexpensive smart longrange weapons, it can blast right through enemy ships or release a shrapnell round to heavily damage everything on an airport.


nukes are a bad idea, if we're talking SG level of advancement nukes will soon be out of the window. unless you're that bad guy who doesnt care for the enviroment of the planet you're about to annihilate.

give the railgun Trinium rounds and a superconductive Naquahdah/trinium barrel.


E(k) = .5MV^2 would heavily increase the kinetic energy of the round. trinium is light and strong, meaning that F=MA would result in a higher acceleration, therefore faster rounds capable of longer range and more kinetic energy. if trinium is too expensive, use a trinium/aluminium alloy of sorts

[Buba uognarf]

If you want to fire something through a big rail gun why not some kind of naquadah round? Would the impact of hitting a ship be enough to detonate the naquadah?

I thought of K-naq rounds but during the acceleration it would probably go off.

[mickhhh]

yes. build a particle beam cannon. or a Mass Driver.


K^2, when you build something that expensive, you'd want to give it more abilities. it can not only bombard over long ranges ( 250 Km) removing the need for uberexpensive smart longrange weapons, it can blast right through enemy ships or release a shrapnell round to heavily damage everything on an airport.


nukes are a bad idea, if we're talking SG level of advancement nukes will soon be out of the window. unless you're that bad guy who doesnt care for the enviroment of the planet you're about to annihilate.

give the railgun Trinium rounds and a superconductive Naquahdah/trinium barrel.


E(k) = .5MV^2 would heavily increase the kinetic energy of the round. trinium is light and strong, meaning that F=MA would result in a higher acceleration, therefore faster rounds capable of longer range and more kinetic energy. if trinium is too expensive, use a trinium/aluminium alloy of sorts

a mass driver would probly be to long i think. rail guns are much smaller. a mass driver would probly have to be integrated into a ship and it would not be able to turn.

good idea with the trinium though

[K^2]

mickhhh brings up a good point. They have inertial dampeners. Why not simply use these as accelerators instead of a rail gun? You can load up a nuke, crank it up to 1000g, and the nuke will simply experience free fall while accelerating. High speeds, no stress. If this gets you past the shields, your enemy is done.

[thekillman]

what do you mean? how so, 1000g?


what Crazy Tom thought of was what we in AUVF called an AKEW: Alteran Kinetic Energy Weapon. its an ancient "railgun". instead of playing around with lorentz forces et all, the AKEW uses a projected force shield that forces the projectile out of the barrel. zero friction, no hazardous heat.


a Mass Driver does not have to be massive. i'm gonna build a gauss gun as a project for school. its nowhere near a gun when it comes to strenght, but then again dont wanna spend hundreds of euros on a school project.

a gauss gun uses magnetic force, a railgun uses lorentz force. difference is, magnetic force is very strong and does not require friction. a mass driver is often depicted as this massive accellerator in a ship. no need to. give me a naquahdah, thick, superconductive coil, put on a massively powerfull current similar to a railgun, and stop the magnetic field the moment the bullet is in the centre. now, in a normal world, the coil has long melted. in an SG world, it wouldnt, propelling the projectile at high speeds, with no "Rail Flash" and no damage to the gun.


series of these coils can be used, but then the question is, "what is the most efficient". you can add more coils and shoot it near-lightspeed. but does that matter? by then you have this massive coilgun. a smaller coilgun, even a single stage one can do what a railgun can do, is much more usefull.



a rail Flash as i called it is the "explosion" of hot air due to the friction.