View Full Version : should bra'tac die?
the_fours
May 11th, 2004, 03:27 PM
personally i think not but back in s5 he said he only had a couple of years and he could not take another symbiote, this was solved in s6 with tratonine. he is what a 141 years old now so should he go or not?
Shipperahoy
May 11th, 2004, 03:31 PM
I think that they have killed off enough interesting secondary characters and they don't need to go killing off more.
thor39
May 11th, 2004, 03:39 PM
I think it would do the show justice if he had an episode where he journeyed to keb to die. It would bring out his hounourable qualities ... heck maybe he could even manage to accend and play a big part in Teal'c's life as Daniel did in Oneill's. Like a secondary concience.
This would be a good way for him to go although not guns a blazin' I think Bray is a little past that and is more wiser. Afterall he did say he takes solis in the fact that death is ahead of him and he may journey to keb to rid himself of his burden ;)
SCIFINUT032289
May 11th, 2004, 03:43 PM
I think he should die. He has out lived his usefulness. He is getting old and with the new stuff he uses he won't be able to live for too long.
bcmilco
May 11th, 2004, 03:59 PM
I think it would be a nice boon if the tritonin actually extended life for the Jaffa beyond that of what a symbiot would allow. It could be a great way to solidify the rebel cause, and it would allow Bra'tac to finish out the show. :p
tera'ngan
May 11th, 2004, 04:47 PM
I think it would do the show justice if he had an episode where he journeyed to keb to die. It would bring out his hounourable qualities ... heck maybe he could even manage to accend and play a big part in Teal'c's life as Daniel did in Oneill's. Like a secondary concience.
This would be a good way for him to go although not guns a blazin' I think Bray is a little past that and is more wiser. Afterall he did say he takes solis in the fact that death is ahead of him and he may journey to keb to rid himself of his burden ;)
hmmmm - that sounds just a bit too Obi-Wan Kenobi to me. I don't really want ANY of the characters to die, but I think they need to address the fact that Bra'tac is probably, at the very least, at a good point to retire. It seems like each season they drop a hint that he is getting close to "the end." I have a sneaking suspicion that they will have him go out fighting the good fight with his boots on and all that. That just seems a bit too cliche for me. Why not have him "promoted" to a position of diplomat/statesman/official leader for the Jaffa that are now living on their own somewhere without allies because they want to try and do it by themselves, etc.? I realize he's been a sort of unofficial leader and person they rallied to, but if they were so dead-set about making it completely on their own, they would need some sort of internal administrative organization.
Just a thought . . .
-tera'ngan
priornavalperson
May 11th, 2004, 04:53 PM
I think it would do the show justice if he had an episode where he journeyed to keb to die. It would bring out his hounourable qualities ... heck maybe he could even manage to accend and play a big part in Teal'c's life as Daniel did in Oneill's. Like a secondary concience.
This would be a good way for him to go although not guns a blazin' I think Bray is a little past that and is more wiser. Afterall he did say he takes solis in the fact that death is ahead of him and he may journey to keb to rid himself of his burden ;)
Either that, or go out in an heroic and noble sacrifice, but I would prefer for him not to go out at all.
SaberBlade
May 11th, 2004, 08:49 PM
i don't think so.
now he uses tratonin i don't see why he shouldn't live longer that the lifetime a symbiot would naturally provide
i do think that him ascending would be a bit to much like Obi Wan but without the symobit there is nothing stopping him but it would be to much like Daniel and anyway, he wants freedom for all Jaffa, the Ancients or Oma would probably try to stop him from interfering so there would be no real point to him ascending unless he was going to die
ShadowMaat
May 11th, 2004, 08:54 PM
SHOULD he die? No. I don't want to see ANY character die, not even the ones I don't like.
WILL he die? Well now, that's the real question, isn't it? ;) Hard to say. Maybe it'll depend on how desperately the show needs ratings by the end of the season. :P
epiphany
May 11th, 2004, 09:46 PM
Oh I hope not, I love Bra'tac. I don't want them to kill him off or have him die, no matter how worthily. It's like this show has become all about death, they keep killing off characters. Do it as much as they do and it starts to lose it's impact, people just get annoyed that you are killing off a character they like.
ShadowMaat
May 11th, 2004, 09:58 PM
If they kill off Siler, Sgt. Davis or Luke, I'm grabbing my torches and pitchforks and storming the offices... :P
For Bra'tac... I'll write really scathing messages here. It'll be difficult to do, I know, but I'll try. For Bray. :D
Norlioness
May 11th, 2004, 10:20 PM
Nooooooo!!!!! I like Bra'tac. Too many characters (both good and evil) have been killed off. There's only one more season left. I'd like to see the fate of the Jaffas end on a happy note, where they are truly free from their Goa'uld "gods" and symbiote dependencies.
Madeleine
May 12th, 2004, 12:17 AM
Nope. He's BRA'TAC, of course they shouldn't kill him!
Supreme Commander Thor
May 12th, 2004, 01:12 AM
now he uses tratonin i don't see why he shouldn't live longer that the lifetime a symbiot would naturally provide
That's right. Doesnt matter if he couldnt take a symbiote anyway since he uses this now. They should never kill off Bra'tac...
panzor
May 12th, 2004, 03:12 AM
So it’s petty one-side vote for bra'tac survival.
Though I think he should survive personally, so I have no problem with that. :D
thor39
May 12th, 2004, 10:49 AM
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That was a close one in season 7 finale I thought he really was going to die because of that stupid Ronan :p
earck
May 12th, 2004, 12:44 PM
I think it would do the show justice if he had an episode where he journeyed to keb to die. It would bring out his hounourable qualities ... heck maybe he could even manage to accend and play a big part in Teal'c's life as Daniel did in Oneill's. Like a secondary concience.
This would be a good way for him to go although not guns a blazin' I think Bray is a little past that and is more wiser. Afterall he did say he takes solis in the fact that death is ahead of him and he may journey to keb to rid himself of his burden ;)
I like the idea of him ascending and then making a couple of a appearances that way.
Anubis
May 12th, 2004, 01:08 PM
I like Bra'tac. He's a good character on the show. He was a simular character to Frasier. Not appearing in every episode but a handful in each season
If he does die, I would like him to put up a good fight and possibly Ascend for the good purpose he has served
ShadowMaat
May 12th, 2004, 01:21 PM
I think Ascension has become too overused to make it a valid option for anyone anymore. It would just seem too trite. And lazy. Like putting him "on hold" until they need him again, then he can swoop in and spout meaningless words of wisdom.
If they ARE gonna kill him- or anyone else- I hope that he/they STAY dead. No offense.
Mr Prophet
May 12th, 2004, 01:50 PM
I think Ascension has become too overused to make it a valid option for anyone anymore. It would just seem too trite. And lazy. Like putting him "on hold" until they need him again, then he can swoop in and spout meaningless words of wisdom.
Which is the real problem, since they were seemingly grooming him for this fate from Maternal Instincts onwards. I always felt he should get to go to kheb and go on the way old Jaffa are supposed to go on, only everyone and his dog is already there.
It feels kind of like he's been waiting for his last cruise on the QEII, only to find out that they've sold it to Butlins.
the_fours
May 12th, 2004, 02:21 PM
i like the metephor :D
Thor's Twin
May 12th, 2004, 03:18 PM
I would like to see Bra'tac find a way to blend with a symbiote and join the Tok'ra like Jacob Carter did. This would help to eliminate the bad feelings between the Rebel Jaffa and the Tok'ra and could possibly unite them to finish what they started. Just a thought. :)
Dragonlor
May 12th, 2004, 03:53 PM
Short answer: No.
Lord You
May 12th, 2004, 10:44 PM
Personally I like Bra'tac; so do most fans. However, his character arc has concluded. There really isn't much left that they couldn't do with someone else, except to die. Teal'c is almost the same age (same order at least), and he also has the same position of respect as a leader.
Ever since his comments at the beginning of season 5, I expected Bra'tac's glorious exit from Gateworld. Most fans love him so his death would mean something special (like Janet's, Martoof's and Lantash's). The character deserves a good end (unlike Teal'c's wife, who died offscreen without much any untill a year later, if I remember correctly).
Lugal
May 12th, 2004, 10:58 PM
No. They've killed off enough people lately. I'd hate to see them go down the path of Farscape (killing at least one character every episode only to bring them back next week)
I would prefer to see him ascend. It has been somewhat overused, but I think they've been setting it up for him since Maternal instinct. The only thing that stopped him then was the symbiote. He doesn't have one anymore and there is (in theory anyway) nothing stopping him.
Aphrodite
May 13th, 2004, 02:20 AM
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It was bad enough killing of Dr. Frasier/TR in S7 to boost up ratings and perhaps shock us to the vulnerability to death, but I like Bra'tac. However, he has come too close to death on many occasions and did almost die in Lost City Pt2. I don't want him to die, but if they do kill him off, I hope it would be for the freedom of the Jaffas...like, if he had to be sacrificed just for the Jaffas to be finally free...that way his death wouldn't be in vain....and then perhaps show him spiritually entering Keb.
Major Tyler
January 25th, 2005, 11:31 PM
Short answer: No.I agree.
Jeff O'Connor
January 25th, 2005, 11:41 PM
No. They've killed off enough people lately. I'd hate to see them go down the path of Farscape (killing at least one character every episode only to bring them back next week)
That's a gross exaggeration, though I have to say, Scorpius was a tad unbelievable in his death-defying acts of Nasferatuness.
Er-hem, back on topic. If they killed him and gave it meaning, then I'd understand. Ever since Season 5, as someone mentioned, I've been expecting his departure. Now mind you, I only started watching at the tail end of Season 6... but I was catching up over that Summer.
I don't believe it would be for simple 'shock effect' and to 'boost ratings' and what-have-you. His character has served many purposes and I have to say, his death would be a tear-jerker and the end to an emotional journey... but a good one. I'd just want him, as someone very grateful for the thrills his character has brought, to have a death that'd be with him knowing the Jaffa would finally be free.
Blend
January 26th, 2005, 12:05 AM
most definitly not.
I would want him to remain until the end of stargate. He was there at the start, so why kill him.
Why cant he 'live happily ever after' lol.
IMForeman
January 26th, 2005, 12:29 AM
No Killum Bra'tac!
-IMF
shovar
January 26th, 2005, 06:55 AM
what kill bra'tac! :eek:
Kelso
January 26th, 2005, 08:19 AM
Yes!
Bra'tac is one of my absolute favorite characters on the show... I desperately want to see him go out in a blaze of glory before SG-1 ends.
It would be a fitting end for the character, and we would get to see Teal'c deal with losing another 'father' and having to make it on his own.
NightGloom
January 26th, 2005, 08:35 AM
Hmmm... I don't know. I'm going to say no at this point, if they were going to kill him off then they should have killed him off instead of Janet if they wanted to make a "shocking" death and right now it would just seem like another death to a some fans. However, if they find a way to do it correctly, then I would say... maybe...
((I know, I can't make decisions))
MagnoliaAnaglypta
January 26th, 2005, 08:35 AM
Nope. He's BRA'TAC, of course they shouldn't kill him!
No, no and no. Absolutely not.
Did I mention the 'no' ?
At this point I like Bra'tac more than I like most of the main cast members. I don't want to see them sweep him aside for one petty moment of drama. I do think he's the only other character I could tolerate gaining ascension in due course because it's been kind of on the cards for him since the third season. But I hope it doesn't happen just yet because I think theres a lot of life in the wily old bird yet.
American3.141592654
January 26th, 2005, 02:57 PM
i don't think so.
now he uses tratonin i don't see why he shouldn't live longer that the lifetime a symbiot would naturally provide
i do think that him ascending would be a bit to much like Obi Wan but without the symobit there is nothing stopping him but it would be to much like Daniel and anyway, he wants freedom for all Jaffa, the Ancients or Oma would probably try to stop him from interfering so there would be no real point to him ascending unless he was going to die
On the question of him ascending and not being able to help, we'll have to see the episode that shows more of what Daniel WAS doing while he was ascended to see just what these characters and anybody else who joins them does once they make the leap to another way of existing.... Personally I think they do more than just NOTHING, like when the remaining SG1 crew just HAPPENED to come up with a solution after Daniel said, "Hold on I've got to do something..." Jack.."DANIEL!" then he said, "I'll be back..." and disappeared. Thing is I'd like to think that they do more than just sit back and watch the humans and everybody else suffer. But then again that's me and at times I can be a hopeless romantic. :) hehe...
American3.141592654
January 26th, 2005, 03:10 PM
Yes!
Bra'tac is one of my absolute favorite characters on the show... I desperately want to see him go out in a blaze of glory before SG-1 ends.
It would be a fitting end for the character, and we would get to see Teal'c deal with losing another 'father' and having to make it on his own.
Oh definitely at the end of the series... That would only be fitting. Not that he makes the show but having him die would be a great catalyst for some real character consolidation from Teal'c and also it would be fitting that the warrior philosopher died with his boots on. I like the character too but it seemed like he was dead a few times there like when one of Harra'ur's underling Gua'ulds were torturing Teal'c and telling him that Bra'tac was himself tortured and killed by him. I didn't actually expect to see Bra'tac again but he still appeared once again. hehe... I'm fine with that because they might lie but to have him go on and on and on seems almost to ignore his prolonged age and that he no longer has the actual symbiote anymore but just some chemical that helps keep him healthy. Of course Teal'c is quite old too so it'd be strage to say that the stuff can't also keep a person who's age has been prolonged healthy. :)
So I guess it is something that should be done at some point but not any time soon... However if they don't kill him off that's not so bad either. ;)
Crazedwraith
January 26th, 2005, 03:12 PM
Should he die? Well going by the odds all of SG-1 should be dead many doozesn of dies over (Daneil NOT withstanding) so realisticly Bra'tac should have got knobbled a long time ago (maybe carrying out a Serpent's Grasp style paln with out SG-1 there to tell him its a bad one :D)
Would i like him to die? Only if it was done really really really well and killed in some more meaning full way thaN just a stray staff blast from OFFSCREEN.
Bra'tac goes out in a blaze of glory scarificing all for the Free Jaffa. Last word: Daal shekka mal!...I die-urgk-. Then teal'c closes Bray's eyes amd finishs: 'free, old friend'
Or Braytac takes a grevious wound off screen and the episode starts with him staggering through the gate..The episode focouses on SG-1 taking him to Kheb (or another similar place since that monk dude left kheb in maternal instict) and him ascending (or not and just dying in peace)
FoolishPleasure
January 26th, 2005, 03:33 PM
I'd like to see Bra'tac retire to some nice, quiet beach somewhere where he can live out his days sipping mai-tai's and having pretty girls take care of him. Goodness knows he deserves it. ;)
Dinoflo
January 27th, 2005, 09:31 AM
Bra'tac no longer serves a purpose on the show, as Teal'c is SG1s link to the rebel Jaffa, Thor is thier link to the Asguard. and Selmak is thier link to the Tok'ra. Nevertheless he has been making more apperances rescently than the other recuring characters, and he is popular, so I don't think he will die.
But if the Jaffa rebellion suceedes, there will be no reason for Teal'c to remain with SG1 unless he has a new motive, and having somthing happen to Bra'tac could serve that purpose.
IMForeman
January 27th, 2005, 12:21 PM
personally i think not but back in s5 he said he only had a couple of years and he could not take another symbiote, this was solved in s6 with tratonine. he is what a 141 years old now so should he go or not?
You do realize that if they kill off Bra'tac in the near future, we're all blaming you, right?
;)
-IMF
jckfan55
January 27th, 2005, 07:22 PM
No Killum Bra'tac!
-IMF
Klaatu Barada Nikto!
Keep Bra'tac alive for the run of the show. You don't have to show him a lot, just keep hiim around.
Captgatebuilder
January 29th, 2005, 12:04 AM
personally i think not but back in s5 he said he only had a couple of years and he could not take another symbiote, this was solved in s6 with tratonine. he is what a 141 years old now so should he go or not?
HELL NO!!!!
Ancient 1
February 5th, 2005, 01:38 PM
I, personally, wouldn't miss him, but since he doesn't appear all that often why give hime the boot by killing him?
Jeril
February 6th, 2005, 03:02 PM
Much as I like Bra'tac, the loveable old coot, I think it's time we all said "bye-bye" and just let him go. It would create a good episode with a lot of time for Teal'c to deal with his death, like in The Changeling, and I just think it's time for Bra'tac to move on to a better place.
I don't quite know if I'd like it if TPTB Ascended him though. I really hated it when in the S6 ending episode, all of the Abydonians Ascended. I really hate Oma now. You just can't go and Ascend a whole frickin' planet. That's cheating! Death builds character, damn it! Let 'em die! </end rant>
So, even though they have been pointing Bra'tac to Ascension ever since S5, I think it'd feel too much like a cop-out to me.
For once can't we just have a character die and be done with it?
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