asgard core

[boeli]

just got a quick question, didnt know where else to put it.
if im correct the asgard core is able to make anyting out of thin air IF provided sufficient power.
if im correct it is also capable of converting any kind of matter into another kind.
would this make it possible to lets say, take all the depleted uranium in all those mines and convert it into something usefull?

[timstro59]

no, probaly not.

its one thing to make matter its another to change it into something else.

[thekillman]

it is as far as we know limited to the atomic level. meaning Co2 can be turned to C and O2, but not to iron. it cant make stuff out of thin air, if it could then the ZPM would've depleted in no-time. so many people underestimate the power needed. remember E=MC^2? it means energy=mass x lightspeed^2,

1 kg of matter is equal to c^2, 3x10^8^2. or 9x10^16 joules of energy. thats 2000000 KT of energy. 2000MT. or 2GT.


for 1 KG of matter. if you know 1 liter of water=1kg, food gets heavy really fast. a liter of water would take 2 GT to make, a cello would take many dozens. its too energy-consuming

[freyr's mother]

it is as far as we know limited to the atomic level. meaning Co2 can be turned to C and O2, but not to iron. it cant make stuff out of thin air, if it could then the ZPM would've depleted in no-time. so many people underestimate the power needed. remember E=MC^2? it means energy=mass x lightspeed^2,

Have you heard of nuclear fusion?

You could fuse C and 2 Oxygens to get some heavier element.

You can only fuse nuclei up until the point where you have Iron-56. But I would venture a guess that the asgard would have no problem making everything they need.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bi...n_isotopes.svg

Binding energy curve (average binding energy per nucleon in MeV against number of nucleons in nucleus) for a number of relatively common (abundant) isotopes (not chosen systematically; almost anything with an occurence of over .2 was chosen though a few exceptions are in there, such as U235). A few important ones for the purposes of nuclear fusion and nuclear fission are marked, as well as iron-56, which sits at the highest point on this graph and cannot yield energy from fusion or fission.

[thekillman]

yes but that occurs at massively high temperatures. as far as we know, asgard cant transmutate matter. they can alter molecules, that has been shown. but it was never shown that they make stuff from thin air, and not at all that they can transmutate matter, so turn air to iron. if they could, they never would have needed to search neutronium

[Dragon_Heart]

just got a quick question, didnt know where else to put it.
if im correct the asgard core is able to make anyting out of thin air IF provided sufficient power.
if im correct it is also capable of converting any kind of matter into another kind.
would this make it possible to lets say, take all the depleted uranium in all those mines and convert it into something usefull?

Your not correct. It is not matter creation, but rather matter *converter* techonlogy. The core has the ability to re-arrange atoms on a molecular level to change them. Take for example an hydrogen atom, it would take the electrons and change the atomic structure to creater say oxygen. The base nuclei would also have to be changed for the base element to change, otherwise it would just create a new element. It is incredibly advanced technology, and very likely a writers mistake, just a cheap way of making things easier on board the oddy. That technology would probably be around the Alteran level ( meaning the ancients at the time when they occupied atlantis).

It probably actually could, taking the basis of the technology, it having to change the base coding of an element. This would go as far as quantum mechanics, which the asgard mentioned themselves they were quite knowledgable in. Bringing in nuclear fission and such is contradictory to the argument, as we cannot compare any earth power source to SG. The power output of a ZPM is massive and regularly under-estimated.

[thekillman]

any idea how much kilograms of food and stuff you use. take that for 50 years and you will get much more than a ZPM. i got to i believe 9x10^16 energy. per kilogram. i've seen some graphs for optimum food consumption per day, its about a kilogram (for the sake of simplicity, not gonna calc the perfect number).

365 days, 365 kilograms. times 50. 18250 kilograms in the TDF.
just calcing SG1 alone:
thats 91250 kilogramms of food consumtion (not incalculating the air, the other consumer goods like the cello, the plants, the clothing, sanitary needs, etc)

thats 8.2125x10^21 joules of energy. assuming food only and energy-matter conversion. to illustrate:

1962834604 kilotons
1962 Gigatons.
1.9 teratons.

so its a damn lot. matterconverting from energy=plain stupid
no matter how damn energetic a ZPM is. you're wasting time. literally, the more you draw from the ZPM the less TDF time they had. (unending). better was to take the CO2 molecule and rip it to carbon and oxygen. the carbon can be put in the carbon cycle, the oxygen put back in the air circulation. organic waste and that carbon can be used to create food again. in the end, all power you waste is the chemical energy used by your body

[VSHARMA]

Please No More Asgard Core threads

[morrismike]

just got a quick question, didnt know where else to put it.
if im correct the asgard core is able to make anyting out of thin air IF provided sufficient power.
if im correct it is also capable of converting any kind of matter into another kind.
would this make it possible to lets say, take all the depleted uranium in all those mines and convert it into something usefull?

Uranium ore comes out of mines and when the U325 is extracted what is left is called "depleted". The matter transmitter cannot do anything but disassemble and reassemble atoms - there is no alchemy going on.

[morrismike]

any idea how much kilograms of food and stuff you use. take that for 50 years and you will get much more than a ZPM. i got to i believe 9x10^16 energy. per kilogram. i've seen some graphs for optimum food consumption per day, its about a kilogram (for the sake of simplicity, not gonna calc the perfect number).

365 days, 365 kilograms. times 50. 18250 kilograms in the TDF.
just calcing SG1 alone:
thats 91250 kilogramms of food consumtion (not incalculating the air, the other consumer goods like the cello, the plants, the clothing, sanitary needs, etc)

thats 8.2125x10^21 joules of energy. assuming food only and energy-matter conversion. to illustrate:

1962834604 kilotons
1962 Gigatons.
1.9 teratons.

so its a damn lot. matterconverting from energy=plain stupid
no matter how damn energetic a ZPM is. you're wasting time. literally, the more you draw from the ZPM the less TDF time they had. (unending). better was to take the CO2 molecule and rip it to carbon and oxygen. the carbon can be put in the carbon cycle, the oxygen put back in the air circulation. organic waste and that carbon can be used to create food again. in the end, all power you waste is the chemical energy used by your body

Mass in not being created it is being assembled from raw material. Existing mass is getting reassembled. Apart from the chemical energy required to convert CO2 and water into oxygen and sugar there is very little power consumption.

[thekillman]

which is my point: its stupid to create mass from energy

[morrismike]

which is my point: its stupid to create mass from energy

Mass isn't being created from energy. Atoms/Molecules are being reorganized using some kind of transporter. Creating a new piece of material would take the same energy as transporting it.

[thekillman]

*rolleyes*

you can be quite annoying, did you know that?

[morrismike]

*rolleyes*

you can be quite annoying, did you know that?

I just didn't want anyone here to get the impression matter was being made directly out of energy. There are some who think tech like that can make gold (or neutronium) from dirt and no one is doing them any favors by not explaining how it really works.

[Phantom6]

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Wasn't it stated in unending that they weren't magically creating something from nothing but were in fact resequencing matter at the sub atomic level to create what they needed?

I mean there were six people on board and rooms and bunks for 200. Maybe they were just chucking in beds and other stuff they didn't need as "Fuel" to be resequenced.