Question about the 302 bays

[FN-P90]

Ok im just a little curious. When an F302 launches out of the Deadule's hanger bay dose it do it by its own power or is it connected to a catupult lie modern day Air Craft carriers do? I mean it dosnt seem like it but when they do a close up of the bays i see somethng that looks like a catuplut.

[stargater1990]

no, they launch out of their own power. afterall, they are in space so they dont actually have to reach any specific speed to maintain flight and if they were in atmosphere for some reason, the hangar looks long enough to allow enough runway for takeoff even then.

[Mike272]

no, they launch out of their own power. afterall, they are in space so they dont actually have to reach any specific speed to maintain flight and if they were in atmosphere for some reason, the hangar looks long enough to allow enough runway for takeoff even then.

[Gate-builder]

The 302 seems to have a very short takeoff anyway, just watch the episode 'Covenant'

[titan_hq]

no, they launch out of their own power. afterall, they are in space so they dont actually have to reach any specific speed to maintain flight and if they were in atmosphere for some reason, the hangar looks long enough to allow enough runway for takeoff even then.

They don't need to reach any certain speed to maintain flight in space, but, the hangar has an atmosphere.
That said, they seem to have an incredibly slow minimum velocity. Look at 'Allies' where the two 302s are escorting the Wraith ship into Atlantis. They almost hover in mid air as it lands.

It would be logical however that the 302s would want to be traveling as fast as possible before leaving the protection of the hangar. I would think that they would (or could, in combat conditions) be launched from a catapult, so they are at maximum speed as they leave the hangar.
In SG they have the technology to accelerate a rail gun round to Mach 5 in just over a metre, I'm sure a futuristic catapult could accelerate a 302 to Mach 5 or higher in a 50m or so.

[Sealurk]

The 302 seems to have a very short takeoff anyway, just watch the episode 'Covenant'

That's true - you can also see it in Fallen Pt 1 when the 302 takes off from Vis Uban, and in Mitchell's escape from the Korolev in Flesh and Blood. Maybe a product of it essentially being a flying wing, or its inertial dampening gadgets...or just sheer engine power.

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

I agree the 302s must just leave the hangers under their own power, once in space they can just move forward without the need of a slingshot and continue to build up some speed inside of the 304's shield if their mother ship is in battle and they need it to avoid getting hit as they leave the ship.
The bays seem large enough too me to allow the 302s to gain all the momentum they need before leaving the solid ground of the hangers.

[Stewart5]

Should I be the one to point out that when in atmospheric flight, the thin g should rip itself to pieces? Its forward swept wings create a cushion of air that would slow it down. but its meant to go crazy speeds exo and endo, in which case it would shake itself to pieces.

IT SHOULDN'T FLY!!!!

[Splitsecond]

I thought 302s had VTOL (vertical take-off and landing) capability like the British-made Harrier.

[Stewart5]

I thought 302s had VTOL (vertical take-off and landing) capability like the British-made Harrier.

I think it does, actually. It would make sense, with all the lien tech thrown in.
Look at its landing gear. there is no way it could make high speed, high impact landings onto those legs. No way!!!

[Butlersgate]

no i don't think they do have a catapult system, but that reminds of the episode "decent" where sg-1

Spoiler:

escapes from the gou'ld mothership underwater via the glider bay and they have a catapult system

*spoiler for season 6 episode 3*

[Sealurk]

I thought 302s had VTOL (vertical take-off and landing) capability like the British-made Harrier.

I think it does, actually. It would make sense, with all the lien tech thrown in.
Look at its landing gear. there is no way it could make high speed, high impact landings onto those legs. No way!!!

Well it's certainly got STOL capability, and as others have pointed out, they have demonstrated an ability to slow almost to a hover - and, finally, there was a magnetic grapple used to lower 302s into the Jumper bay in Atlantis (Grace Under Pressure) which somewhat implies they can take off vertically.

Maybe it is VTOL by virtue of RCS thrusters like the Space Shuttle (although it doesn't look like it), and while these are pretty weak jets suited only for space on the Shuttle, could have been supercharged for a smaller combat vehicle that relies on speed, agility, high-g turns and the like. Maybe they are powerful enough to work in an atmosphere and Earth-like gravity field. Bit unlikely, but hey, it's Stargate.

EDIT: If the inertial dampening tech has the effect of reducing the fighter's apparent mass to aid acceleration and manoeuvring, the RCS thruster theory becomes much stronger.

[Rasunda]

Well they don't jouse a catapult on 304s and 302s retracs the "wheils" and are in huber maybe 30cm from the ground and then fiers engiens and flies away!

[Zatnikitelman]

Should I be the one to point out that when in atmospheric flight, the thin g should rip itself to pieces? Its forward swept wings create a cushion of air that would slow it down. but its meant to go crazy speeds exo and endo, in which case it would shake itself to pieces.

IT SHOULDN'T FLY!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_X-29
And that was without Inertial Dampeners and Trinium.

[stargater1990]

I think it does, actually. It would make sense, with all the lien tech thrown in.
Look at its landing gear. there is no way it could make high speed, high impact landings onto those legs. No way!!!

no, they certinly do not have that capability because if they did, in the episode fallen, they wouldnt have had to make a makeshift runway for the 302 on the planet anubis was headed for.

now the x301 had vertical take of and landing but that was essientally a death glider and they said that they still didint know what made the goauld engines tick so they wouldnt have been able to incorporate VTOL, but thats not the case now, if we wanted to we could proboly use some asgard tech to give the 302s inertialess drives like puddle jumpers and then they would be far more manuverable and wouldnt need jet fuel anymore.